well, I guess we're at one of those impasses again where we can't have a constructive discussion without you constantly cursing me out and making wild assumptions based on my lack of freaking out.
again, I don't know enough about the election interference to comment. Every time someone doesn't respond to a specific post of yours you go apeshit. For me it's mostly cuz I don't like to speak about something I know nothing about. Yes, it's important if it's true. But I haven't researched it yet. And no one is obligated to respond to anything on this forum, fwiw.
I don't get this "cock block" shit. I mean, in simpler times I weighed my options by all 4 parties. I didn't mean my vote was to "block" a PP vote. I meant I couldn't vote for him under any circumstances. But again, not sure why the intent behind a vote matters. My vote and my reasoning are my right. You're acting like you have the moral high ground on "why" some vote. I mean, you said a few days ago you couldn't vote for Carney. So isn't that a vote against the liberals? Or is it a vote for PP in your case? Makes zero difference to me, as that is your prerogative, and ultimately means the same damn thing.
I can’t vote for Carney, which doesn’t automatically mean that I’m voting against him. I don’t understand why that concept is difficult to grasp.
For me it’s quite simple: if you’re voting against a party, then you’re cockblocking someone else’s vote. Again, when this is your tactic, one needs to be more aware of the Law of Unintended Consequences. We all need to be on guard against that but if you’re deciding your vote based on being against something then I feel it incurs responsibility for one’s choice.
I can only assume you and PJ Soul have the same visceral reaction to Carney’s claims that he’s going to fix everything that’s wrong with the country (after he spent 5 years helping break the country, but we aren’t talking about that for the obvious reason). What about the NDP ads?
I honestly think I could claim that the sky is blue and that would be disputed. Because I have said that I lean to the right of the political spectrum.
Interestingly, "cockblocking" someone else's vote is what I've done essentially the last few elections lol.
With respect.. as to your warning that I 'need' to be on guard against that... my only reply is... no, no I don't. I also don't 'need' to be aware of the Law of Unintended Consequences.
I don't particularly think I'm personally to blame for having to choose between the lesser of two or three evils. I blame those who in power who are irresponsible, greedy dooshes.
In my books choosing not to vote is a perfectly acceptable option, something I’ve done in several elections because I couldn’t vote for any of the candidates in good conscience. Clearly I don’t subscribe to the belief that not voting denies one the right to criticize their government.
As I said, it’s not just the cockblocking voters that need to be mindful of the Law of Unintended Consequences, everyone should do their best to analyze all the parties and their claims.
I do understand what you're getting at... but at the same time... My view is that a vote 'against' someone can be just as good as a vote 'for' someone. Case in point... Trump.
If I was speaking to a hundred people who had various reasons not to like Harris or Clinton.... those people's votes simply to prevent Trump from getting power is a 100% win.
That said... and I personally have no gripe with anyone not voting... but I would be super curious about the rationale as to why a majority of people in Canada and US simply don't vote.
We (and the media) spend a lot of time dissecting parties and voters, etc. but I would be interested if some polling and interviewing was done with folks who don't vote. Again I don't have any strong opinions about it... I'm just real curious why that's a thing.
Toronto 2000
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013 Toronto I&II 2016 10C: 220xxx
well, I guess we're at one of those impasses again where we can't have a constructive discussion without you constantly cursing me out and making wild assumptions based on my lack of freaking out.
again, I don't know enough about the election interference to comment. Every time someone doesn't respond to a specific post of yours you go apeshit. For me it's mostly cuz I don't like to speak about something I know nothing about. Yes, it's important if it's true. But I haven't researched it yet. And no one is obligated to respond to anything on this forum, fwiw.
I don't get this "cock block" shit. I mean, in simpler times I weighed my options by all 4 parties. I didn't mean my vote was to "block" a PP vote. I meant I couldn't vote for him under any circumstances. But again, not sure why the intent behind a vote matters. My vote and my reasoning are my right. You're acting like you have the moral high ground on "why" some vote. I mean, you said a few days ago you couldn't vote for Carney. So isn't that a vote against the liberals? Or is it a vote for PP in your case? Makes zero difference to me, as that is your prerogative, and ultimately means the same damn thing.
I can’t vote for Carney, which doesn’t automatically mean that I’m voting against him. I don’t understand why that concept is difficult to grasp.
For me it’s quite simple: if you’re voting against a party, then you’re cockblocking someone else’s vote. Again, when this is your tactic, one needs to be more aware of the Law of Unintended Consequences. We all need to be on guard against that but if you’re deciding your vote based on being against something then I feel it incurs responsibility for one’s choice.
I can only assume you and PJ Soul have the same visceral reaction to Carney’s claims that he’s going to fix everything that’s wrong with the country (after he spent 5 years helping break the country, but we aren’t talking about that for the obvious reason). What about the NDP ads?
I honestly think I could claim that the sky is blue and that would be disputed. Because I have said that I lean to the right of the political spectrum.
Interestingly, "cockblocking" someone else's vote is what I've done essentially the last few elections lol.
With respect.. as to your warning that I 'need' to be on guard against that... my only reply is... no, no I don't. I also don't 'need' to be aware of the Law of Unintended Consequences.
I don't particularly think I'm personally to blame for having to choose between the lesser of two or three evils. I blame those who in power who are irresponsible, greedy dooshes.
In my books choosing not to vote is a perfectly acceptable option, something I’ve done in several elections because I couldn’t vote for any of the candidates in good conscience. Clearly I don’t subscribe to the belief that not voting denies one the right to criticize their government.
As I said, it’s not just the cockblocking voters that need to be mindful of the Law of Unintended Consequences, everyone should do their best to analyze all the parties and their claims.
I do understand what you're getting at... but at the same time... My view is that a vote 'against' someone can be just as good as a vote 'for' someone. Case in point... Trump.
If I was speaking to a hundred people who had various reasons not to like Harris or Clinton.... those people's votes simply to prevent Trump from getting power is a 100% win.
That said... and I personally have no gripe with anyone not voting... but I would be super curious about the rationale as to why a majority of people in Canada and US simply don't vote.
We (and the media) spend a lot of time dissecting parties and voters, etc. but I would be interested if some polling and interviewing was done with folks who don't vote. Again I don't have any strong opinions about it... I'm just real curious why that's a thing.
The Trump elections are the perfect scenario where I wouldn’t have cast a vote for the President. I feel forced to allow that the Democratic candidates aren’t as bad as Trump on the surface but neither did I feel any confidence in all three of them. As I type this I honestly wonder if I could ever vote for any of the American Presidential candidates since Bush Sr..
As far as why most don’t vote I tend to agree with the theory that many don’t feel their vote actually matters, coupled with a general apathy about politics and distraction from busy lives (which there’s nothing wrong with obviously).
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
I've been enjoying your discussions regarding Canadian politics. Thank you for your time in posting and responding. I know zero about the subject and it's been nice to read accounts of people that live it daily.
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1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa 2022: 9/20 OKC 2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
I realize I’m in the minority here but the only way this tactic isn’t biased and unfair is if they targeted all the party leaders. I think this is fucking childish but I’m quite sure it will give some comfort and satisfaction to most here.
I realize I’m in the minority here but the only way this tactic isn’t biased and unfair is if they targeted all the party leaders. I think this is fucking childish but I’m quite sure it will give some comfort and satisfaction to most here.
I realize I’m in the minority here but the only way this tactic isn’t biased and unfair is if they targeted all the party leaders. I think this is fucking childish but I’m quite sure it will give some comfort and satisfaction to most here.
unfortunately the article is behind a paywall for me.
Toronto 2000
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013 Toronto I&II 2016 10C: 220xxx
I realize I’m in the minority here but the only way this tactic isn’t biased and unfair is if they targeted all the party leaders. I think this is fucking childish but I’m quite sure it will give some comfort and satisfaction to most here.
unfortunately the article is behind a paywall for me.
Apologies, it’s a Globe & Mail article about how the Longest Ballot Protest has specifically targeted Poilievre’s riding, which adds a slant to their cause. If they’re going to target one party leader then they should have targeted all the party leaders in my opinion.
Or they could have done as they seem to in the past and targeted a random riding (if they can show that they blindfolded someone, spun them around four times then the person threw a dart at a map of the nation’s ridings, or something similar, and they just happened to land on Poilievre’s riding then I’ll shut up about this).
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
I have seen these people before, but cannot remember which election they bombarded last.
Smart on their part to go after one of the biggest candidates thus drawing maximum exposure to their cause.
1996: Toronto 2003: St. Paul 2005: Thunder Bay 2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa 2009: Chicago I, Chicago II 2010: Boston 2011: Toronto I, Toronto II, Winnipeg 2012: Missoula 2013: London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo 2014: St. Paul, Milwaukee 2016: Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto I, Toronto II 2022: Hamilton, Toronto 2023: St. Paul I, St. Paul II 2024: Vancouver I, Vancouver II
I’m glad they wanted to target Carney, but clearly they fell victim to his delaying in parachuting into the Nepean riding. Carney and the Liberals are quite adept at manipulation, especially in a crisis.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
"Poilievre just called CTV News’ Judy Trinh a “protester” because she dared try to ask him a question outside of the incredibly rigid four-questions-no-follow-up process his party has."
PP trying his best to act like mini Trump. PP and the Cons showing their true facsist colours.
"A journalist shouted a question at Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre during a campaign stop in Sault Ste. Marie, Ont., on Wednesday. The journalist was not on the list of people allotted a question, which the Conservative Party limits to four per day. Poilievre had been asked previously by another reporter about donations the Conservatives received from groups associated with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's political party."
2011: Vancouver 2013: LA 1 & LA 2, Vancouver 2018: Seattle 1 & Seattle 2 2022: LA 1 & LA 2 2024: Vancouver 1 & Vancouver 2, Portland, Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
"Poilievre just called CTV News’ Judy Trinh a “protester” because she dared try to ask him a question outside of the incredibly rigid four-questions-no-follow-up process his party has."
PP trying his best to act like mini Trump. PP and the Cons showing their true facsist colours.
"A journalist shouted a question at Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre during a campaign stop in Sault Ste. Marie, Ont., on Wednesday. The journalist was not on the list of people allotted a question, which the Conservative Party limits to four per day. Poilievre had been asked previously by another reporter about donations the Conservatives received from groups associated with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's political party."
Just curious... where do you see the problem here? Unless the news story is lying etc... everything done here was legal.
What am I missing?
Toronto 2000
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013 Toronto I&II 2016 10C: 220xxx
Just curious... where do you see the problem here? Unless the news story is lying etc... everything done here was legal.
What am I missing?
Again, as Hugh and I established the other day, legal doesn’t mean morally correct.
And in this case it raises the issue of a guy who’s currently claiming he’s “all in, elbows up” for Canada but has actively worked to deny the Canadian government substantial (billions of dollars it’s been reported) tax revenues. If his THREE offshore companies had paid the appropriate taxes then maybe the Trudeau Liberals wouldn’t have so easily blown past ALL their deficit predictions.
Carney still has some BIG questions to answer around his finances and when the press asks him he gets all Trumpian/Trudeauian in calling stories false.
Since I expect a quick deflection to Poilievre, I’ll ask two questions: has Poilievre disclosed his finances? And how many offshore (tax-evading) investment funds does he hold?
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
I think this is an acceptable source around here and while it isn’t a full accounting it does give one a good sense of what the other leaders have disclosed.
Seems like everyone’s embracing transparency on this except for the current Prime Minister. But Carney’s following the rules so I suspect that will justify his lack of transparency.
I really can't imagine being a person who does stuff like this. And really, how much impact di these signs have? Have there been studies? Do people actually vote a certain way just because they see lawn signs? I wouldn't have really guessed that someone who would be influenced that way would also be someone who bothers to vote at all. Well actually, racists who put hate speech on the signs of a left party is something different altogether. They almost certainly vote for the party they think aligns with their racism best.
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If I was speaking to a hundred people who had various reasons not to like Harris or Clinton.... those people's votes simply to prevent Trump from getting power is a 100% win.
That said... and I personally have no gripe with anyone not voting... but I would be super curious about the rationale as to why a majority of people in Canada and US simply don't vote.
We (and the media) spend a lot of time dissecting parties and voters, etc. but I would be interested if some polling and interviewing was done with folks who don't vote. Again I don't have any strong opinions about it... I'm just real curious why that's a thing.
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013
Toronto I&II 2016
10C: 220xxx
As far as why most don’t vote I tend to agree with the theory that many don’t feel their vote actually matters, coupled with a general apathy about politics and distraction from busy lives (which there’s nothing wrong with obviously).
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
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1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
https://apple.news/AWCJ0O8zJQ2uuTGMTr5q2ng
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
Fuck PP
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013
Toronto I&II 2016
10C: 220xxx
Or they could have done as they seem to in the past and targeted a random riding (if they can show that they blindfolded someone, spun them around four times then the person threw a dart at a map of the nation’s ridings, or something similar, and they just happened to land on Poilievre’s riding then I’ll shut up about this).
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
Smart on their part to go after one of the biggest candidates thus drawing maximum exposure to their cause.
2003: St. Paul
2005: Thunder Bay
2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa
2009: Chicago I, Chicago II
2010: Boston
2011: Toronto I, Toronto II, Winnipeg
2012: Missoula
2013: London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014: St. Paul, Milwaukee
2016: Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto I, Toronto II
2022: Hamilton, Toronto
2023: St. Paul I, St. Paul II
2024: Vancouver I, Vancouver II
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/brookfield-used-cayman-islands-to-register-3rd-fund-managed-by-carney-1.7506817
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
PP trying his best to act like mini Trump. PP and the Cons showing their true facsist colours.
"A journalist shouted a question at Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre during a campaign stop in Sault Ste. Marie, Ont., on Wednesday. The journalist was not on the list of people allotted a question, which the Conservative Party limits to four per day. Poilievre had been asked previously by another reporter about donations the Conservatives received from groups associated with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's political party."
2013: LA 1 & LA 2, Vancouver
2018: Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
2022: LA 1 & LA 2
2024: Vancouver 1 & Vancouver 2, Portland, Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
Hopefully it continues to turn off normal people.
What am I missing?
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013
Toronto I&II 2016
10C: 220xxx
And in this case it raises the issue of a guy who’s currently claiming he’s “all in, elbows up” for Canada but has actively worked to deny the Canadian government substantial (billions of dollars it’s been reported) tax revenues. If his THREE offshore companies had paid the appropriate taxes then maybe the Trudeau Liberals wouldn’t have so easily blown past ALL their deficit predictions.
Carney still has some BIG questions to answer around his finances and when the press asks him he gets all Trumpian/Trudeauian in calling stories false.
Since I expect a quick deflection to Poilievre, I’ll ask two questions: has Poilievre disclosed his finances? And how many offshore (tax-evading) investment funds does he hold?
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
Seems like everyone’s embracing transparency on this except for the current Prime Minister. But Carney’s following the rules so I suspect that will justify his lack of transparency.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/election-2025-leaders-assets-1.7499198
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
Did anyone ask the Chinese embassy where they were at the time of the incidents, lol?
https://torontosun.com/news/national/federal_elections/conservative-candidate-for-nepean-says-hundreds-of-election-signs-missing?tbref=hp
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022