Canadian Politics Redux

Meltdown99

Biden said Trudeau “is the easiest relationship he has.” My Labrador is the easiest relationship I have.  Biden thinks Trudeau is a lapdog…which he is.  Biden says jump, and the idiot ask how high.

Trudeau says “it is unfair Canadians pay a carbo tax while most of the world doesn’t…”just more proof that we truly elect the dumbest to lead.

Horgan is ramming through pipelines and protestors getting arrested.  Horgan allowing clear cutting of old growth forest.

Horgan and Trudeau’s slow response times to BC floods…more proof the dumb are chosen to lead.

DarthMaeglin

This policy has never made any sense to me, either during the Trump years and now Biden. It definitely gives a window into this federal government’s views on law and order though (always to be trumped by virtue signalling obviously).

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-puts-out-the-welcome-mat-at-roxham-rd

Edited because I can be an idiot.

Nami

oftenreading said:

DarthMaeglin said:

What understanding, genuine leadership this policy illustrates! Maybe it can be legislated…in fucking November (end of the month for a couple weeks before Christmas vacation!). So much for an “urgent” need for the election, Trudeau played enough people for fools and almost got away with it (thank God he was held to a minority!). (Sarcasm fully engaged throughout most of this post.)

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-liberals-are-petty-in-denying-ei-to-unvaccinated

I don’t actually have a problem with people not getting EI if they refuse to be vaccinated and then lose their job. They have a safe and easy option that protects them and society if they want to keep their jobs. 

What a disturbing comment.   

oftenreading

Nami said:

oftenreading said:

DarthMaeglin said:

What understanding, genuine leadership this policy illustrates! Maybe it can be legislated…in fucking November (end of the month for a couple weeks before Christmas vacation!). So much for an “urgent” need for the election, Trudeau played enough people for fools and almost got away with it (thank God he was held to a minority!). (Sarcasm fully engaged throughout most of this post.)

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-liberals-are-petty-in-denying-ei-to-unvaccinated

I don’t actually have a problem with people not getting EI if they refuse to be vaccinated and then lose their job. They have a safe and easy option that protects them and society if they want to keep their jobs. 

What a disturbing comment.   

Really? How so?

I work in health care and I am out of patience with anti-vaxxers. I have no patience left for those who have been perpetuating this pandemic, for those who are causing massive strain in the health care system because they refuse this protection, for those who harass and threaten my colleagues, for those who stand outside hospitals and block entry of emergency vehicles as they protest, for those who complain about having to take a simple measure that protects themselves and their coworkers and clients/patients in order to remain at work. I am not advocating for people to be forcibly vaccinated but if their job requires vaccination and they refuse then I have no issue with them losing that job. Not sure what you find so disturbing about that. 

Meltdown99

That was not the original comment.  Your original comment is people should not receive EI…a system that is not supported  by government, it is run by government…but as long as someone qualifies I’m ok with them receiving EI…and quitting your job generally is not a hard and fast rule that is followed…thankfully your in healthcare and not an EI agent.

Nami

oftenreading said:

Nami said:

oftenreading said:

DarthMaeglin said:

What understanding, genuine leadership this policy illustrates! Maybe it can be legislated…in fucking November (end of the month for a couple weeks before Christmas vacation!). So much for an “urgent” need for the election, Trudeau played enough people for fools and almost got away with it (thank God he was held to a minority!). (Sarcasm fully engaged throughout most of this post.)

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-liberals-are-petty-in-denying-ei-to-unvaccinated

I don’t actually have a problem with people not getting EI if they refuse to be vaccinated and then lose their job. They have a safe and easy option that protects them and society if they want to keep their jobs. 

What a disturbing comment.   

Really? How so?

I work in health care and I am out of patience with anti-vaxxers. I have no patience left for those who have been perpetuating this pandemic, for those who are causing massive strain in the health care system because they refuse this protection, for those who harass and threaten my colleagues, for those who stand outside hospitals and block entry of emergency vehicles as they protest, for those who complain about having to take a simple measure that protects themselves and their coworkers and clients/patients in order to remain at work. I am not advocating for people to be forcibly vaccinated but if their job requires vaccination and they refuse then I have no issue with them losing that job. Not sure what you find so disturbing about that. 

Let me start by saying I'm vaccinated.  I'm also a firm believer in that everyone has their right to do as they see fit with their body.  I find it disturbing that if you take away ones meaning of employment, mandating vaccination, then you strip they away from means of survival, in this case EI... eventually welfare if possible, there's nothing wrong with that?  

I work in the public sector, office setting, and we were all mandated by mid November to have the shot.  I had mine completed in October.  If we did not comply we lose our job/pay.  I'm fortunate to say that it's a position that I can work from home as well.  people were still mandated to get shot if working from home.  

Now, strip away EI, then what? 

Typing from cell, it's a pain.

oftenreading

Meltdown99 said:

That was not the original comment.  Your original comment is people should not receive EI…a system that is not supported  by government, it is run by government…but as long as someone qualifies I’m ok with them receiving EI…and quitting your job generally is not a hard and fast rule that is followed…thankfully your in healthcare and not an EI agent.

Okay, to clarify further then I don't have an issue with people who refuse to be vaccinated when it is a workplace requirement losing their job and not getting EI. I figured that would be assumed from the comment. 

To your second point, if someone loses their job because they won't fulfill a workplace requirement then it's my understanding that they are not eligible for EI. 

And I am also thankful I am in healthcare, though not for the same reasons you are. 

HughFreakingDillon

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

That was not the original comment.  Your original comment is people should not receive EI…a system that is not supported  by government, it is run by government…but as long as someone qualifies I’m ok with them receiving EI…and quitting your job generally is not a hard and fast rule that is followed…thankfully your in healthcare and not an EI agent.

Okay, to clarify further then I don't have an issue with people who refuse to be vaccinated when it is a workplace requirement losing their job and not getting EI. I figured that would be assumed from the comment. 

To your second point, if someone loses their job because they won't fulfill a workplace requirement then it's my understanding that they are not eligible for EI. 

And I am also thankful I am in healthcare, though not for the same reasons you are. 

agreed. and I understood your original post as such. 

we'd have the same requirements in place for polio, mumps, rubella, etc, if they weren't first mandated to attend public school. nearly no one was against that at the time. we knew it was the right thing to do to protect ourselves and everyone else. I don't see anyone here raging about those. 

Meltdown99

If you got a problem with protestors contact your police.  I believe Trudeau was going to do something about these protestors…you know he needed 2 months off.

Most jobless aren’t protesting…

oftenreading

Meltdown99 said:

If you got a problem with protestors contact your police.  I believe Trudeau was going to do something about these protestors…you know he needed 2 months off.

Most jobless aren’t protesting…

Done

 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberals-sick-pay-intimidation-health-care-1.6264441

dignin

Nami said:

oftenreading said:

Nami said:

oftenreading said:

DarthMaeglin said:

What understanding, genuine leadership this policy illustrates! Maybe it can be legislated…in fucking November (end of the month for a couple weeks before Christmas vacation!). So much for an “urgent” need for the election, Trudeau played enough people for fools and almost got away with it (thank God he was held to a minority!). (Sarcasm fully engaged throughout most of this post.)

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-liberals-are-petty-in-denying-ei-to-unvaccinated

I don’t actually have a problem with people not getting EI if they refuse to be vaccinated and then lose their job. They have a safe and easy option that protects them and society if they want to keep their jobs. 

What a disturbing comment.   

Really? How so?

I work in health care and I am out of patience with anti-vaxxers. I have no patience left for those who have been perpetuating this pandemic, for those who are causing massive strain in the health care system because they refuse this protection, for those who harass and threaten my colleagues, for those who stand outside hospitals and block entry of emergency vehicles as they protest, for those who complain about having to take a simple measure that protects themselves and their coworkers and clients/patients in order to remain at work. I am not advocating for people to be forcibly vaccinated but if their job requires vaccination and they refuse then I have no issue with them losing that job. Not sure what you find so disturbing about that. 

Let me start by saying I'm vaccinated.  I'm also a firm believer in that everyone has their right to do as they see fit with their body.  I find it disturbing that if you take away ones meaning of employment, mandating vaccination, then you strip they away from means of survival, in this case EI... eventually welfare if possible, there's nothing wrong with that?  

I work in the public sector, office setting, and we were all mandated by mid November to have the shot.  I had mine completed in October.  If we did not comply we lose our job/pay.  I'm fortunate to say that it's a position that I can work from home as well.  people were still mandated to get shot if working from home.  

Now, strip away EI, then what? 

Typing from cell, it's a pain.

Fuck them.

They made their choice when they broke the social contract. They should live with the easily preventable consequences, the same way we have to live with theirs.

Selfish assholes, the whole lot of them.

Zod

Nami said:

oftenreading said:

Nami said:

oftenreading said:

DarthMaeglin said:

What understanding, genuine leadership this policy illustrates! Maybe it can be legislated…in fucking November (end of the month for a couple weeks before Christmas vacation!). So much for an “urgent” need for the election, Trudeau played enough people for fools and almost got away with it (thank God he was held to a minority!). (Sarcasm fully engaged throughout most of this post.)

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-liberals-are-petty-in-denying-ei-to-unvaccinated

I don’t actually have a problem with people not getting EI if they refuse to be vaccinated and then lose their job. They have a safe and easy option that protects them and society if they want to keep their jobs. 

What a disturbing comment.   

Really? How so?

I work in health care and I am out of patience with anti-vaxxers. I have no patience left for those who have been perpetuating this pandemic, for those who are causing massive strain in the health care system because they refuse this protection, for those who harass and threaten my colleagues, for those who stand outside hospitals and block entry of emergency vehicles as they protest, for those who complain about having to take a simple measure that protects themselves and their coworkers and clients/patients in order to remain at work. I am not advocating for people to be forcibly vaccinated but if their job requires vaccination and they refuse then I have no issue with them losing that job. Not sure what you find so disturbing about that. 

Let me start by saying I'm vaccinated.  I'm also a firm believer in that everyone has their right to do as they see fit with their body.  I find it disturbing that if you take away ones meaning of employment, mandating vaccination, then you strip they away from means of survival, in this case EI... eventually welfare if possible, there's nothing wrong with that?  

I work in the public sector, office setting, and we were all mandated by mid November to have the shot.  I had mine completed in October.  If we did not comply we lose our job/pay.  I'm fortunate to say that it's a position that I can work from home as well.  people were still mandated to get shot if working from home.  

Now, strip away EI, then what? 

Typing from cell, it's a pain.

What about the flip side?  Here in BC the overwhelmning majority of cases are coming from people that aren't vaccinated.   Especially from our northern region.   The hospitals are all full up north, so there moving these patiences and filling up all the spaces in southern bc where there was room because way more people are vaccinated.

This is keeping the health care system full.  As a result, people who should be getting treatments for illnesses, aren't.   Everything is waitlisted.   I had a customer who died of cancer because he was diagnosed but they had to keep pushing back the start of his treatment.

This is the mortal dilemma.  If it's something that's bad for one's self but doesn't have a direct impact on others that ones one thing.    If the choice is have a direct negative impact on other people, it's another.

There's a huge cost right now because the health care system continues to be overwhelmed.   What about all the people that aren't being treated or not being diagnosed because people aren't getting vaccines.

It's super tough.   Ideally if people are choosing not to get vaccinated, they should be permitted access to the health care system for covid, but then there just at home spreading it around making things worse :(

Meltdown99

Our pathetic health care system is overwhelmed if 2 people show up at the ER with the sniffles at the same time..

Meltdown99

So Trudeau goes to Washington meets the prez and a week later the prez doubles softwood lumber tariffs…yup Canada is in good shape with this cult in charge.

Spunkie

^Will that help us keep trees in the ground?

Or is this really bad, like a bunch of older white men will lose income?

Meltdown99

It will not keep trees in the ground.  And your comment toward white men shows your ignorant.  Those white men pay taxes that keep your indigenous peoples on welfare…and puts your dumbass chief in a lifestyle they don’t deserve…

Spunkie

True, I don't know too much about the ongoing US-Can timber dispute.

I do know this affects my province the greatest. My First nation Kootenay band doesn't have a treaty yet, we are negotiating forest use, and used spirituality of the Grizzly bear spirit to prevent a new ski resort going up. 

I know Indigenous people own 2% of the forests. BC province and provinces own more than federal.

I suspect that the loggers, truckers and mill business owners are mostly older, white  males.

Mostly Indigeous people are arrested when fighting against resources exploitation at our expense. 

oftenreading

tish said:

True, I don't know too much about the ongoing US-Can timber dispute.

I do know this affects my province the greatest. My First nation Kootenay band doesn't have a treaty yet, we are negotiating forest use, and used spirituality of the Grizzly bear spirit to prevent a new ski resort going up. 

I know Indigenous people own 2% of the forests. BC province and provinces own more than federal.

I suspect that the loggers, truckers and mill business owners are mostly older, white  males.

Mostly Indigeous people are arrested when fighting against resources exploitation at our expense. 

The softwood lumber dispute has been going on as long as I can remember. It's difficult to really get a grip on why it has been so contentious for so long, particularly when the WTO has ruled in favour of Canada more than once. All boils down to money and greed, I guess.

I don't know the stats but would suspect that you are correct that the mill business owners are mostly white though there are some Indigenous owned mills and some that are co-owned in partnership. The Pacheedat, for instance, own a sorting and shipping facility and a sawmill.

Some of my work involves working with people in the remote areas of Vancouver Island and I have met many Indigenous forestry workers. I just quickly looked this up and reportedly 9% of jobs in the forest industry in BC are held by Indigenous people, which is a sizable chunk. Forestry, fishing and the like are often the only well paid jobs in these remote communities. I could not easily find data on truckers. 

Once Indigenous people are able to have more control of forest lands in their traditional territories it will be interesting to see what changes come with respect to harvesting practices. 

oftenreading

Meltdown99 said:

It will not keep trees in the ground.  And your comment toward white men shows your ignorant.  Those white men pay taxes that keep your indigenous peoples on welfare…and puts your dumbass chief in a lifestyle they don’t deserve…

Seems like maybe all of that expressed concern about the wellbeing of Indigenous people and the wrongdoing of the colonizers was possibly not genuine. 

HughFreakingDillon

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

It will not keep trees in the ground.  And your comment toward white men shows your ignorant.  Those white men pay taxes that keep your indigenous peoples on welfare…and puts your dumbass chief in a lifestyle they don’t deserve…

Seems like maybe all of that expressed concern about the wellbeing of Indigenous people and the wrongdoing of the colonizers was possibly not genuine. 

was just thinking the same thing.