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    ^^^
    It was a maximum $150 credit return.
    So if parents budgeted feasibly sporting programs were a free option.

    giving a tax break on the back end does nothing for those that can't afford the cost up front. subsidize it bringing the initial cost down or do nothing. all that did was give money back to people who could already afford the cost.
    I realize that.
    On a bigger picture if a family can't afford up to $150/yr once to register their child in a sports/arts program they are in a serious situation. Something is wrong saying that you (not you) can't afford to do that.
    that's not true at all. a lot, even most, people live within their means. they budget, if they budget, down to every dime they have. not many people have money floating around in their bank account unaccounted for. and if it is, it goes to things that may happen, like car or house repairs.
    If you did it once you would have the same $150 returning to you year after year. I don't know why you have an issue on this point. If you can't afford $150 once a year for your child there are plenty of ways to apply for assistance and receive immediate funds by way of direct enrollment and the tab being billed to the govt.
    because it's silly to think that if someone can't afford $150 up front for recreation "one time" they have "serious problems". that's just not reality for a good portion of the population.

    there is a massive gap that doesn't cover those who are eligible for assistance with direct enrollment and those who are not eligible and still can't afford the up front cost. it's the single biggest reason so many people stay on welfare. if you take home more on welfare than you do working for minimum wage, what the hell is the point of working? it's the same idea here.
    I don't know. It's a stretch to say someone can't afford $150 once. Before they had a child they would know about this benefit and budgeted accordingly. Having a child when you can't afford $150 for them to enjoy sports is not a very wise choice.

    The gap is not that big. We are talking tens of dollars now. Again, anyone who has children benefitted from the Fitness credit if they chose to use it.
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    1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    It's really typical. These politicians are all in it to royally screw over the following generations.

    Put aside the partisanship for a second.
    Does no one understand just how much 30 billions is? Does anyone who currently pays taxes think that in our lifetime we will pay that back? Or the existing debt? Do you understand the scam of compound interest?

    Look into Rocco Galati. This is not about us. We are so conceited we think we should borrow money to prop up all our social programs and force future generations to pay for it. It is disgusting and it embarrasses me.

    Heard Nenshi on the radio say how proud he was that Calgary is "only" 4 billion in debt. But he is willing to borrow more if the Feds give infrastructure money because of low interest rates. And get things done.

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    lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087

    It's really typical. These politicians are all in it to royally screw over the following generations.

    Put aside the partisanship for a second.
    Does no one understand just how much 30 billions is? Does anyone who currently pays taxes think that in our lifetime we will pay that back? Or the existing debt? Do you understand the scam of compound interest?

    Look into Rocco Galati. This is not about us. We are so conceited we think we should borrow money to prop up all our social programs and force future generations to pay for it. It is disgusting and it embarrasses me.

    Heard Nenshi on the radio say how proud he was that Calgary is "only" 4 billion in debt. But he is willing to borrow more if the Feds give infrastructure money because of low interest rates. And get things done.

    The real sad part is that politicians from previous generations have screwed us over by continuing to borrow as well...and yes I do think that the deficit can be eliminated and the debt paid off...we just need someone with some intestinal fortitude to pass a balanced budget act that requires a referendum for any future governments to run a deficit and for a certain percentage of the budget going to pay down debt, once again requiring a referendum in order to skip a budget with no debt payment.

    These politicians today are so devoid of good ideas, they run around giving money away like water even though it will cost us all dearly in the end.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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    1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    lukin2006 said:

    It's really typical. These politicians are all in it to royally screw over the following generations.

    Put aside the partisanship for a second.
    Does no one understand just how much 30 billions is? Does anyone who currently pays taxes think that in our lifetime we will pay that back? Or the existing debt? Do you understand the scam of compound interest?

    Look into Rocco Galati. This is not about us. We are so conceited we think we should borrow money to prop up all our social programs and force future generations to pay for it. It is disgusting and it embarrasses me.

    Heard Nenshi on the radio say how proud he was that Calgary is "only" 4 billion in debt. But he is willing to borrow more if the Feds give infrastructure money because of low interest rates. And get things done.

    The real sad part is that politicians from previous generations have screwed us over by continuing to borrow as well...and yes I do think that the deficit can be eliminated and the debt paid off...we just need someone with some intestinal fortitude to pass a balanced budget act that requires a referendum for any future governments to run a deficit and for a certain percentage of the budget going to pay down debt, once again requiring a referendum in order to skip a budget with no debt payment.

    These politicians today are so devoid of good ideas, they run around giving money away like water even though it will cost us all dearly in the end.
    Canada had a debt of 8 Billion dollars in 1974. The debt was to ourselves. Then the criminals who run the International Bank of Settlements convinced Trudeau senior and his band of nitwits to sell us down the river and not a single politician since has any idea they are contravening the Bank of Canada Act.

    We have a National Bank that was supposed to prevent this (unlike every other G8 nation).

    Look into how much money was actually borrowed which has created this 800 Billion dollar debt in Canada. Don't forget your province carries billions in debt. Don't forget that your city or town carries debt. All with compound interest. It is the scam to end all scams and we are becoming slaves to the big banks.

    How do you think the government can borrow 30 billion dollars? Do you think it's just because they are a government?
    The banks want collateral when they borrow money. That collateral is you, Joe Taxpayer.
    As long as the government can keep raising your taxes or put in new fees or create new licences, or a myriad of other ways they get into your pocket, they will continue to borrow money from private banks with the inability to ever pay it back.

    The banks love it because the money they create out of thin air, get paid back with interest. The government never attacks the principle however. It is estimated 14% of your federal tax dollars goes to pay the INTEREST on debt. That is in 2015. What is it going to be like in 2030? 2040?
    Zionism .... Pure evil.
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    1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    This 10 year old has figured it out. Ten years old... :lol:
    Politicians are such fucking morons...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5Sc3vWefE
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    lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087

    lukin2006 said:

    It's really typical. These politicians are all in it to royally screw over the following generations.

    Put aside the partisanship for a second.
    Does no one understand just how much 30 billions is? Does anyone who currently pays taxes think that in our lifetime we will pay that back? Or the existing debt? Do you understand the scam of compound interest?

    Look into Rocco Galati. This is not about us. We are so conceited we think we should borrow money to prop up all our social programs and force future generations to pay for it. It is disgusting and it embarrasses me.

    Heard Nenshi on the radio say how proud he was that Calgary is "only" 4 billion in debt. But he is willing to borrow more if the Feds give infrastructure money because of low interest rates. And get things done.

    The real sad part is that politicians from previous generations have screwed us over by continuing to borrow as well...and yes I do think that the deficit can be eliminated and the debt paid off...we just need someone with some intestinal fortitude to pass a balanced budget act that requires a referendum for any future governments to run a deficit and for a certain percentage of the budget going to pay down debt, once again requiring a referendum in order to skip a budget with no debt payment.

    These politicians today are so devoid of good ideas, they run around giving money away like water even though it will cost us all dearly in the end.
    Canada had a debt of 8 Billion dollars in 1974. The debt was to ourselves. Then the criminals who run the International Bank of Settlements convinced Trudeau senior and his band of nitwits to sell us down the river and not a single politician since has any idea they are contravening the Bank of Canada Act.

    We have a National Bank that was supposed to prevent this (unlike every other G8 nation).

    Look into how much money was actually borrowed which has created this 800 Billion dollar debt in Canada. Don't forget your province carries billions in debt. Don't forget that your city or town carries debt. All with compound interest. It is the scam to end all scams and we are becoming slaves to the big banks.

    How do you think the government can borrow 30 billion dollars? Do you think it's just because they are a government?
    The banks want collateral when they borrow money. That collateral is you, Joe Taxpayer.
    As long as the government can keep raising your taxes or put in new fees or create new licences, or a myriad of other ways they get into your pocket, they will continue to borrow money from private banks with the inability to ever pay it back.

    The banks love it because the money they create out of thin air, get paid back with interest. The government never attacks the principle however. It is estimated 14% of your federal tax dollars goes to pay the INTEREST on debt. That is in 2015. What is it going to be like in 2030? 2040?
    Zionism .... Pure evil.
    Exactly...well said, just imagine what kind of country we would have if all that money servicing the debt suddenly was available to serve Canadian interest.

    Lets not even get into Ontario debt problem, these gang of corrupt liberals are the worst government ever formed.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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    lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087

    This 10 year old has figured it out. Ten years old... :lol:
    Politicians are such fucking morons...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5Sc3vWefE

    Very good video.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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    1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    Since a couple of you are interested, watch this and see what is going on (with very little media coverage for so many obvious and shady reasons)

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZuIKXXtQN0
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    lukin2006 said:

    This 10 year old has figured it out. Ten years old... :lol:
    Politicians are such fucking morons...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5Sc3vWefE

    Very good video.
    It is a good video but why the need to use a child?
    Clearly she memorized a speech and recited words from an adults perspective.
    No way does she have these thoughts on her own at that age - her speech was flawless.
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    1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155

    lukin2006 said:

    This 10 year old has figured it out. Ten years old... :lol:
    Politicians are such fucking morons...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5Sc3vWefE

    Very good video.
    It is a good video but why the need to use a child?
    Clearly she memorized a speech and recited words from an adults perspective.
    No way does she have these thoughts on her own at that age - her speech was flawless.
    When you assume things, you make an ass of u and me
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    lukin2006 said:

    This 10 year old has figured it out. Ten years old... :lol:
    Politicians are such fucking morons...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5Sc3vWefE

    Very good video.
    It is a good video but why the need to use a child?
    Clearly she memorized a speech and recited words from an adults perspective.
    No way does she have these thoughts on her own at that age - her speech was flawless.
    Hahahhaa hard to imagine for you eh??
    :rofl:
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
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    rgambs said:

    lukin2006 said:

    This 10 year old has figured it out. Ten years old... :lol:
    Politicians are such fucking morons...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5Sc3vWefE

    Very good video.
    It is a good video but why the need to use a child?
    Clearly she memorized a speech and recited words from an adults perspective.
    No way does she have these thoughts on her own at that age - her speech was flawless.
    Hahahhaa hard to imagine for you eh??
    :rofl:
    Come on, you don't think that speech was conjured?
    Childrens minds are like sponges, great for memorizing things that are taught!
    So it is hard for me to imagine that if this truly was her own thinking/speech why does she not have a job at the top yet?
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    lukin2006 said:

    This 10 year old has figured it out. Ten years old... :lol:
    Politicians are such fucking morons...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5Sc3vWefE

    Very good video.
    It is a good video but why the need to use a child?
    Clearly she memorized a speech and recited words from an adults perspective.
    No way does she have these thoughts on her own at that age - her speech was flawless.
    Hahahhaa hard to imagine for you eh??
    :rofl:
    Come on, you don't think that speech was conjured?
    Childrens minds are like sponges, great for memorizing things that are taught!
    So it is hard for me to imagine that if this truly was her own thinking/speech why does she not have a job at the top yet?
    No, I don't. I gave some damn fine speeches in my youth and heard many more that were even finer. "Children's" minds are not just sponges for memorizing, young minds have been proven time and again to be more elastic and capable of invention and creation than adults.
    A job at the top? Are you really that blown away by a young person who is eloquent and articulate?
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
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    1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    lukin2006 said:

    This 10 year old has figured it out. Ten years old... :lol:
    Politicians are such fucking morons...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5Sc3vWefE

    Very good video.
    It is a good video but why the need to use a child?
    Clearly she memorized a speech and recited words from an adults perspective.
    No way does she have these thoughts on her own at that age - her speech was flawless.
    Hahahhaa hard to imagine for you eh??
    :rofl:
    Come on, you don't think that speech was conjured?
    Childrens minds are like sponges, great for memorizing things that are taught!
    So it is hard for me to imagine that if this truly was her own thinking/speech why does she not have a job at the top yet?
    No, I don't. I gave some damn fine speeches in my youth and heard many more that were even finer. "Children's" minds are not just sponges for memorizing, young minds have been proven time and again to be more elastic and capable of invention and creation than adults.
    A job at the top? Are you really that blown away by a young person who is eloquent and articulate?
    If you do the research on the young lady (Victoria Grant) the advocates for public banking in the U.S. flew her down to the states to deliver that speech. It was not the first time she had delivered it.

    She explains it perfectly, Rocco Galati could not have said it any better.
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    1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    More from her, at age 14. This young lady may change the world. Although I fear for her safety. These fuckers do not play nice.

    https://missiongalacticfreedom.wordpress.com/2014/10/02/13-year-old-girl-victoria-grant-explains-extreme-corruption-the-cause-of-extreme-poverty-governments/
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Does she offer solutions? If so, wouldn't that make her a socialist?
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
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    1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    How is it socialism? We are in debt to the big private banks because of socialism.
    All the social programs cost money and if you give someone enough to live on they feel no need to work for it.
    If you and I all had 500 people in a commune and we all grew our own food and everyone had a right to it, what do you think would happen? Some of us would work hard, some would work less and some not at all. Yet we all have a right to the harvest.
    Modern socialism is the same except we go to work, we pay our taxes. Some people work more, and pay more, some work less and pay less and some don't work at all.
    But everyone has a "right" to a certain standard of living. Do they? Or do they have to work for it?

    Victoria is talking about the people who work for it not getting fucked over, not the lazy who do not want to work for it. That's my take anyways.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    How is it socialism? We are in debt to the big private banks because of socialism.
    All the social programs cost money and if you give someone enough to live on they feel no need to work for it.
    If you and I all had 500 people in a commune and we all grew our own food and everyone had a right to it, what do you think would happen? Some of us would work hard, some would work less and some not at all. Yet we all have a right to the harvest.
    Modern socialism is the same except we go to work, we pay our taxes. Some people work more, and pay more, some work less and pay less and some don't work at all.
    But everyone has a "right" to a certain standard of living. Do they? Or do they have to work for it?

    Victoria is talking about the people who work for it not getting fucked over, not the lazy who do not want to work for it. That's my take anyways.

    Here in America, any attempt to analyze, criticize, regulate or control any financial organization is labelled as a socialist action.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
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    lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087



    Victoria is talking about the people who work for it not getting fucked over, not the lazy who do not want to work for it. That's my take anyways.

    I watched the entire video, where in the video was this said?
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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    lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    rgambs said:

    How is it socialism? We are in debt to the big private banks because of socialism.
    All the social programs cost money and if you give someone enough to live on they feel no need to work for it.
    If you and I all had 500 people in a commune and we all grew our own food and everyone had a right to it, what do you think would happen? Some of us would work hard, some would work less and some not at all. Yet we all have a right to the harvest.
    Modern socialism is the same except we go to work, we pay our taxes. Some people work more, and pay more, some work less and pay less and some don't work at all.
    But everyone has a "right" to a certain standard of living. Do they? Or do they have to work for it?

    Victoria is talking about the people who work for it not getting fucked over, not the lazy who do not want to work for it. That's my take anyways.

    Here in America, any attempt to analyze, criticize, regulate or control any financial organization is labelled as a socialist action.
    We are not that socialist up here in the north, most likely the only other social program we got that you don't have is universal health care. No one is getting wealthy off, welfare, unemployment insurance, there pensions from the government. Our government up here in the north are sly bastards...they gear programs towards certain people that they feel will generate the most likely odds to win the next election...hell of away to run a country, but its been happening like that for far too long.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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    lukin2006 said:

    rgambs said:

    How is it socialism? We are in debt to the big private banks because of socialism.
    All the social programs cost money and if you give someone enough to live on they feel no need to work for it.
    If you and I all had 500 people in a commune and we all grew our own food and everyone had a right to it, what do you think would happen? Some of us would work hard, some would work less and some not at all. Yet we all have a right to the harvest.
    Modern socialism is the same except we go to work, we pay our taxes. Some people work more, and pay more, some work less and pay less and some don't work at all.
    But everyone has a "right" to a certain standard of living. Do they? Or do they have to work for it?

    Victoria is talking about the people who work for it not getting fucked over, not the lazy who do not want to work for it. That's my take anyways.

    Here in America, any attempt to analyze, criticize, regulate or control any financial organization is labelled as a socialist action.
    We are not that socialist up here in the north, most likely the only other social program we got that you don't have is universal health care. No one is getting wealthy off, welfare, unemployment insurance, there pensions from the government. Our government up here in the north are sly bastards...they gear programs towards certain people that they feel will generate the most likely odds to win the next election...hell of away to run a country, but its been happening like that for far too long.
    And what is it about our current majority govt that was so sly to get them in power.
    What programs have they geared towards people?
    I hope ABC is not the answer.
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    lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087

    lukin2006 said:

    rgambs said:

    How is it socialism? We are in debt to the big private banks because of socialism.
    All the social programs cost money and if you give someone enough to live on they feel no need to work for it.
    If you and I all had 500 people in a commune and we all grew our own food and everyone had a right to it, what do you think would happen? Some of us would work hard, some would work less and some not at all. Yet we all have a right to the harvest.
    Modern socialism is the same except we go to work, we pay our taxes. Some people work more, and pay more, some work less and pay less and some don't work at all.
    But everyone has a "right" to a certain standard of living. Do they? Or do they have to work for it?

    Victoria is talking about the people who work for it not getting fucked over, not the lazy who do not want to work for it. That's my take anyways.

    Here in America, any attempt to analyze, criticize, regulate or control any financial organization is labelled as a socialist action.
    We are not that socialist up here in the north, most likely the only other social program we got that you don't have is universal health care. No one is getting wealthy off, welfare, unemployment insurance, there pensions from the government. Our government up here in the north are sly bastards...they gear programs towards certain people that they feel will generate the most likely odds to win the next election...hell of away to run a country, but its been happening like that for far too long.
    And what is it about our current majority govt that was so sly to get them in power.
    What programs have they geared towards people?
    I hope ABC is not the answer.
    Easy...23 billion bribe towards families, target tax cuts to certain income groups...on and on, the current government is conservative light...thats all we do switch between conservatives and liberals, what a fine job they've done.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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    PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited March 2016
    ^^^
    Clearly that's the mix our country is made of. The liberals were given a heavy-handed majority.

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    TalonTeddTalonTedd Toronto Posts: 835
    these last seven pages have been a real eye opener. Galati is a champ! Great stuff and be civil with each other.
    I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
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    1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    edited March 2016
    lukin2006 said:



    Victoria is talking about the people who work for it not getting fucked over, not the lazy who do not want to work for it. That's my take anyways.

    I watched the entire video, where in the video was this said?
    I said it was my take. She did not say it exactly. That is therefore a "take" on what she said.

    Now how did I come to that conclusion? Well, she is correct that poverty is man made and we can eradicate it. ONLY we can. The resources belong to the people of the country. They work to produce them however the system is set up to steal from those citizens. From the criminal bankers to the governments and corporations who pillage the developing world.

    She is saying to allow them to produce the resources and products themselves, not corporations and banks working with despot world leaders who pocket all the money for themselves. Think of Brazil and what is going on with Petrobras.

    It is not about socialism, it is about allowing the people who live in those countries to reap the benefit of their own resources. :smile:
    Pulling them out of poverty.
    Post edited by 1ThoughtKnown on
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    1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    TalonTedd said:

    these last seven pages have been a real eye opener. Galati is a champ! Great stuff and be civil with each other.

    Right on bud!! I'm utterly convinced Galati is a modern hero. I have donated to the COMER cause to help the guy out. Who would have thunk a lawyer could be a hero? :lol:
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    1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    rgambs said:

    How is it socialism? We are in debt to the big private banks because of socialism.
    All the social programs cost money and if you give someone enough to live on they feel no need to work for it.
    If you and I all had 500 people in a commune and we all grew our own food and everyone had a right to it, what do you think would happen? Some of us would work hard, some would work less and some not at all. Yet we all have a right to the harvest.
    Modern socialism is the same except we go to work, we pay our taxes. Some people work more, and pay more, some work less and pay less and some don't work at all.
    But everyone has a "right" to a certain standard of living. Do they? Or do they have to work for it?

    Victoria is talking about the people who work for it not getting fucked over, not the lazy who do not want to work for it. That's my take anyways.

    Here in America, any attempt to analyze, criticize, regulate or control any financial organization is labelled as a socialist action.
    We are not that socialist up here in the north, most likely the only other social program we got that you don't have is universal health care. No one is getting wealthy off, welfare, unemployment insurance, there pensions from the government. Our government up here in the north are sly bastards...they gear programs towards certain people that they feel will generate the most likely odds to win the next election...hell of away to run a country, but its been happening like that for far too long.
    And what is it about our current majority govt that was so sly to get them in power.
    What programs have they geared towards people?
    I hope ABC is not the answer.
    Easy...23 billion bribe towards families, target tax cuts to certain income groups...on and on, the current government is conservative light...thats all we do switch between conservatives and liberals, what a fine job they've done.
    What I have said all along, it doesn't matter. Politicians are all on the take.
    Trudeau is making a stronger middle class alright. Of course, not by lifting the lower class into the middle but by dragging the people who have almost clawed their way out of the middle back in by taxing the shit out of them. Brilliant. They said the term "middle class" 113 times in the budget speech. Strive for the middle Canada!!
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    lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    rgambs said:

    How is it socialism? We are in debt to the big private banks because of socialism.
    All the social programs cost money and if you give someone enough to live on they feel no need to work for it.
    If you and I all had 500 people in a commune and we all grew our own food and everyone had a right to it, what do you think would happen? Some of us would work hard, some would work less and some not at all. Yet we all have a right to the harvest.
    Modern socialism is the same except we go to work, we pay our taxes. Some people work more, and pay more, some work less and pay less and some don't work at all.
    But everyone has a "right" to a certain standard of living. Do they? Or do they have to work for it?

    Victoria is talking about the people who work for it not getting fucked over, not the lazy who do not want to work for it. That's my take anyways.

    Here in America, any attempt to analyze, criticize, regulate or control any financial organization is labelled as a socialist action.
    We are not that socialist up here in the north, most likely the only other social program we got that you don't have is universal health care. No one is getting wealthy off, welfare, unemployment insurance, there pensions from the government. Our government up here in the north are sly bastards...they gear programs towards certain people that they feel will generate the most likely odds to win the next election...hell of away to run a country, but its been happening like that for far too long.
    And what is it about our current majority govt that was so sly to get them in power.
    What programs have they geared towards people?
    I hope ABC is not the answer.
    Easy...23 billion bribe towards families, target tax cuts to certain income groups...on and on, the current government is conservative light...thats all we do switch between conservatives and liberals, what a fine job they've done.
    What I have said all along, it doesn't matter. Politicians are all on the take.
    Trudeau is making a stronger middle class alright. Of course, not by lifting the lower class into the middle but by dragging the people who have almost clawed their way out of the middle back in by taxing the shit out of them. Brilliant. They said the term "middle class" 113 times in the budget speech. Strive for the middle Canada!!
    Not to mention the targeted EI to certain hard hit areas, not here in Southern Ontario, we've been dealing with the collapse of manufacturing for the last 10 years...I did not think he was like our current liberal government, but he's just the same. Like I've said the people who voted him in got what they wanted out of that budget...whats missing your budget deficit by 20 billion, they need to hire accountants at the liberal headquarters.

    We need a new national party...imo...one that would represent all Canadians...whether they voted for them or not, but thats just a dream.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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    polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    rgambs said:

    How is it socialism? We are in debt to the big private banks because of socialism.
    All the social programs cost money and if you give someone enough to live on they feel no need to work for it.
    If you and I all had 500 people in a commune and we all grew our own food and everyone had a right to it, what do you think would happen? Some of us would work hard, some would work less and some not at all. Yet we all have a right to the harvest.
    Modern socialism is the same except we go to work, we pay our taxes. Some people work more, and pay more, some work less and pay less and some don't work at all.
    But everyone has a "right" to a certain standard of living. Do they? Or do they have to work for it?

    Victoria is talking about the people who work for it not getting fucked over, not the lazy who do not want to work for it. That's my take anyways.

    Here in America, any attempt to analyze, criticize, regulate or control any financial organization is labelled as a socialist action.
    We are not that socialist up here in the north, most likely the only other social program we got that you don't have is universal health care. No one is getting wealthy off, welfare, unemployment insurance, there pensions from the government. Our government up here in the north are sly bastards...they gear programs towards certain people that they feel will generate the most likely odds to win the next election...hell of away to run a country, but its been happening like that for far too long.
    And what is it about our current majority govt that was so sly to get them in power.
    What programs have they geared towards people?
    I hope ABC is not the answer.
    Easy...23 billion bribe towards families, target tax cuts to certain income groups...on and on, the current government is conservative light...thats all we do switch between conservatives and liberals, what a fine job they've done.
    What I have said all along, it doesn't matter. Politicians are all on the take.
    Trudeau is making a stronger middle class alright. Of course, not by lifting the lower class into the middle but by dragging the people who have almost clawed their way out of the middle back in by taxing the shit out of them. Brilliant. They said the term "middle class" 113 times in the budget speech. Strive for the middle Canada!!
    Not to mention the targeted EI to certain hard hit areas, not here in Southern Ontario, we've been dealing with the collapse of manufacturing for the last 10 years...I did not think he was like our current liberal government, but he's just the same. Like I've said the people who voted him in got what they wanted out of that budget...whats missing your budget deficit by 20 billion, they need to hire accountants at the liberal headquarters.

    We need a new national party...imo...one that would represent all Canadians...whether they voted for them or not, but thats just a dream.
    well ... he promised within a year some action on electoral reform ... minority gov'ts would probably serve us best ...
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    lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    rgambs said:

    How is it socialism? We are in debt to the big private banks because of socialism.
    All the social programs cost money and if you give someone enough to live on they feel no need to work for it.
    If you and I all had 500 people in a commune and we all grew our own food and everyone had a right to it, what do you think would happen? Some of us would work hard, some would work less and some not at all. Yet we all have a right to the harvest.
    Modern socialism is the same except we go to work, we pay our taxes. Some people work more, and pay more, some work less and pay less and some don't work at all.
    But everyone has a "right" to a certain standard of living. Do they? Or do they have to work for it?

    Victoria is talking about the people who work for it not getting fucked over, not the lazy who do not want to work for it. That's my take anyways.

    Here in America, any attempt to analyze, criticize, regulate or control any financial organization is labelled as a socialist action.
    We are not that socialist up here in the north, most likely the only other social program we got that you don't have is universal health care. No one is getting wealthy off, welfare, unemployment insurance, there pensions from the government. Our government up here in the north are sly bastards...they gear programs towards certain people that they feel will generate the most likely odds to win the next election...hell of away to run a country, but its been happening like that for far too long.
    And what is it about our current majority govt that was so sly to get them in power.
    What programs have they geared towards people?
    I hope ABC is not the answer.
    Easy...23 billion bribe towards families, target tax cuts to certain income groups...on and on, the current government is conservative light...thats all we do switch between conservatives and liberals, what a fine job they've done.
    What I have said all along, it doesn't matter. Politicians are all on the take.
    Trudeau is making a stronger middle class alright. Of course, not by lifting the lower class into the middle but by dragging the people who have almost clawed their way out of the middle back in by taxing the shit out of them. Brilliant. They said the term "middle class" 113 times in the budget speech. Strive for the middle Canada!!
    Not to mention the targeted EI to certain hard hit areas, not here in Southern Ontario, we've been dealing with the collapse of manufacturing for the last 10 years...I did not think he was like our current liberal government, but he's just the same. Like I've said the people who voted him in got what they wanted out of that budget...whats missing your budget deficit by 20 billion, they need to hire accountants at the liberal headquarters.

    We need a new national party...imo...one that would represent all Canadians...whether they voted for them or not, but thats just a dream.
    well ... he promised within a year some action on electoral reform ... minority gov'ts would probably serve us best ...
    yes he did...but he's already ruled out a referendum on the issue. Do you trust him to be the one to guide us through electoral reform? My opinion, it's our country, the politicians can have there little committees on electoral reform, put together 3 plans for electoral reform, let the people decide...simple as that.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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