Cocks not Glocks - An open carry protest

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  • northerndragon
    northerndragon Posts: 9,851
    Dude even the guy legally concealed carrying in OR said there was nothing he could have done without making it worse. I live in a country where we are not obsessed with this "protection" factor. Yes we have had shootings - a fraction of what you have. It's a cultural phenomenon and by feeding the beast you are only making it worse. I hope you never have to use your "protection", but even more I hope one day you can walk down the street without the back of the mind paranoia of a gun battle on your mind.
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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,203
    Every situation is different. He decided to stay where he was. It was a judgment call and he made it. Had he been in the immediate vicinity of the shooter, he may have made a different call. Either way, he didn't just start firing indiscriminately at people as most of you seem to think will happen in these situations.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    dudeman said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    dudeman said:

    You realize that licensed CCW permit holders are among the most law abiding members of society, right?

    Either way, I hope this protest makes everyone fell better.

    but with the vast majority of the school executives, and the vast majority of POLICE CHIEFS opposing this, and the vast majority of students against this, you still think it's a good idea?

    They're not issuing Glocks to students at orientation, they are allowing lawful concealed carry by law abiding students and staff. Those people are subject to scrutiny in the process of obtaining their permit. Want background checks, these people have had them.

    And, since the school executives, police chiefs and majority of students have failed to keep college campuses safe from mass shootings thus far, yes, I think CCW holders should not be prevented from protecting themselves.
    Allowing teens, emotionally charged teens to legally carry because they have perceived fear they may be shot at school just made me realize we failed as a civilized society.

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  • northerndragon
    northerndragon Posts: 9,851
    dudeman said:

    Every situation is different. He decided to stay where he was. It was a judgment call and he made it. Had he been in the immediate vicinity of the shooter, he may have made a different call. Either way, he didn't just start firing indiscriminately at people as most of you seem to think will happen in these situations.

    This is not what I have said, nor have I read anyone say this. The concern is the availability of guns in an environment where emotions often rule over logic and common sense. I consider suicide just as much of a loss as being shot by someone else. A life was lost and people will be traumatized at a pivotal growth period in their lives. The issue is not more people being able to fire back. The issue is a culture where essentially children are being not only allowed but encouraged to carry weapons.

    Also I would like to point out that this is not just about CCW, but that they are allowed to openly carry weapons on campus. I would rather see everyone with a dildo than a gun.
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Hope nobody ever has a bad day.

    Everybody is law abiding until they're not.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,761
    I can't believe were having a discussion about whether or not to allow guns on college campuses. I worked on two separate college campuses for a total of 8 years. I can tell you this- if you asked any of the administrators or professors on either of those campuses if they thought students should be allowed to carry guns on campus they would all say the same thing: "Are you nuts??"
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  • northerndragon
    northerndragon Posts: 9,851
    That is why I feel it is an issue that should be discussed and those organizing the protest should be supported. They are standing up for maintaining a civilized society, which I will always support. Also before anyone jumps on the dildos in public we might as all run around without morals or ethics train, the dildos were selected to represent the ludicrousness of the law. It is not an endorsement to live this way everyday.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    brianlux said:

    "The “campus carry” law passed by the Texas legislature and signed by the Governor in June, requires UT Austin and the other campuses in the UT system to allow students to carry guns on campus."

    I'm glad I'm seeing my optometrist tomorrow because I'M SURE I'm reading this wrong.

    Whoa. I missed something here. There is clearly no chance for progress here. My advice? Go get a gun and become a good shot.

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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    brianlux said:

    "The “campus carry” law passed by the Texas legislature and signed by the Governor in June, requires UT Austin and the other campuses in the UT system to allow students to carry guns on campus."

    I'm glad I'm seeing my optometrist tomorrow because I'M SURE I'm reading this wrong.

    Whoa. I missed something here. There is clearly no chance for progress here. My advice? Go get a gun and become a good shot.

    Un

    F**king

    Believable
    my advice

    Let Texas secede
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,073
    Dudeman, you a shill for the NRA? You seem so talking point on. What's your personal experience that makes you so passionate about allowing "every law abiding citizen" to conceal carry or be armed? How many college campus shoot em ups have there been and what's the percentage as an average day on a college campus on any given day in America over the last 50 years or past 6 months?
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,818
    when is the last time a concealed carry guy stopped a mass shooting?

    i could give you a few movie titles where a concealed carry guy stopped a mass use of a d@ldo...

    i kid, i kid...
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Die hard? Die hard 2? Maybe it was Die Hard 3?
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  • Smellyman
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    What we need is more moms, dads, teachers, students and nervous nellies armed. The crossfire shootouts will be just like the old west. What could go wrong?

    yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaawwwwww!
  • Enkidu
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    gimmesometruth27 said:

    when is the last time a concealed carry guy stopped a mass shooting?

    i could give you a few movie titles where a concealed carry guy stopped a mass use of a d@ldo...

    i kid, i kid...

    Ha ha ha. But I agree - really, when did someone with a concealed carry permit stop a mass shooting?

    I'm worry enough about my freshman in college daughter getting drunk and hanging around frat boys. Drunk frat boys with guns? Argh, I'll never sleep again.

    (I've posted this before. I'm a gun owner.)
  • northerndragon
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    Enkidu said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    when is the last time a concealed carry guy stopped a mass shooting?

    i could give you a few movie titles where a concealed carry guy stopped a mass use of a d@ldo...

    i kid, i kid...

    Ha ha ha. But I agree - really, when did someone with a concealed carry permit stop a mass shooting?

    I'm worry enough about my freshman in college daughter getting drunk and hanging around frat boys. Drunk frat boys with guns? Argh, I'll never sleep again.

    (I've posted this before. I'm a gun owner.)
    There is a big step from gun owner to gun owner who needs carry said weapon around with them constantly. My family has owned guns my entire life as we hunt but other than that there is no need to carry the weapon.
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  • Walking the miles
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    callen said:


    Allowing teens, emotionally charged teens to legally carry because they have perceived fear they may be shot at school just made me realize we failed as a civilized society.



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  • eddiec
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    Smellyman said:

    What we need is more moms, dads, teachers, students and nervous nellies armed. The crossfire shootouts will be just like the old west. What could go wrong?

    yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaawwwwww!

    Yes, while a part of society has become more progressive there is still such a large portion of the US that is actually going backwards and reverting to archaic times.
  • brianlux
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    eddiec said:

    Smellyman said:

    What we need is more moms, dads, teachers, students and nervous nellies armed. The crossfire shootouts will be just like the old west. What could go wrong?

    yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaawwwwww!

    Yes, while a part of society has become more progressive there is still such a large portion of the US that is actually going backwards and reverting to archaic times.
    True, and that portion of Americans make the rest of us look like jackasses. Guns in school, clowns who actually have a chance of being elected, trashing our nest. I know people in other countries who look at America and wonder why we spoil what is great about where and who we are. Instead we are becoming Clown Nation. What a waste.
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  • dudeman
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Dudeman, you a shill for the NRA? You seem so talking point on. What's your personal experience that makes you so passionate about allowing "every law abiding citizen" to conceal carry or be armed? How many college campus shoot em ups have there been and what's the percentage as an average day on a college campus on any given day in America over the last 50 years or past 6 months?

    No, I'm not a shill for the NRA. LOL! I am the brother of a murdered sister. The guy who has lost three close, personal friends to murderers. (Of those, only one was shot and he was killed with a shotgun.) One of my good friends' wife was the victim of a carjacking. The criminals took her car and her along with it. She was "returned" three days later after having been raped and brutalized by multiple people. My former secretary was the victim of a home invasion while she was at home. She got out without being harmed, they just stole some of her things. The responding officer told her she was one of eight home invasions that happen in his district every day. Every day! His advice? "Get a gun and learn how to use it". There are more but I think that's enough examples.

    As for campus shootings, they happen too often. I think everyone would agree. They are also mostly in Gun Free Zones. Did you know that 92% of mass shootings occur in Gun Free Zones? I don't think that is coincidence. (That figure is from a Crime Prevention Research Center study.)

    IMO, the deterrent factor of a potential shooter being immediately met with armed resistance might go a long way toward avoiding more killings.

    Of course this is my opinion but it is an opinion based on personal life experience and loss. I know I am, by far, in the minority for my beliefs on AMT. That's OK.

    I think it's great that so many of you are actively participating in a discussion with the intention of saving lives and preserving a high quality of living and standards. In the end, we all have a common goal in mind: a peaceful existence.
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  • dudeman
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    northerndragon said:

    dudeman said:

    Every situation is different. He decided to stay where he was. It was a judgment call and he made it. Had he been in the immediate vicinity of the shooter, he may have made a different call. Either way, he didn't just start firing indiscriminately at people as most of you seem to think will happen in these situations.

    This is not what I have said, nor have I read anyone say this. The concern is the availability of guns in an environment where emotions often rule over logic and common sense. I consider suicide just as much of a loss as being shot by someone else. A life was lost and people will be traumatized at a pivotal growth period in their lives. The issue is not more people being able to fire back. The issue is a culture where essentially children are being not only allowed but encouraged to carry weapons.

    Also I would like to point out that this is not just about CCW, but that they are allowed to openly carry weapons on campus. I would rather see everyone with a dildo than a gun.
    Smellyman said:

    What we need is more moms, dads, teachers, students and nervous nellies armed. The crossfire shootouts will be just like the old west. What could go wrong?

    yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaawwwwww!

    There you go.
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