Hillary won more votes for President

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    Free said:
    So wait... the meme's presumption is that Hillary and Huma are lesbians and that this parody on SNL is confirmation.. Or am I missing something funny in here?
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited December 2016
    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:
    So wait... the meme's presumption is that Hillary and Huma are lesbians and that this parody on SNL is confirmation.. Or am I missing something funny in here?
    Meme makes no reference to lesbianism, vanity fair states that Hilliary inner circle this week are blaming Huma.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/12/huma-abedin-life-after-clinton
  • one source talking to vanity fair doesn't mean shit. the "source" obviously sounds bitter, so take it with a grain or two.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    one source talking to vanity fair doesn't mean shit. the "source" obviously sounds bitter, so take it with a grain or two.

    Agreed but it seems like every week their is another scapegoat. Sometimes I don't even believe Hilliary lost to a game show host.
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  • Bush, too, lost the popular vote -- but Trump lost by a larger margin. He will become the worst-performing president in the popular vote relative to his closest rival aside from Rutherford B. Hayes in 1876 and John Quincy Adams in 1824, an election that featured four candidates and was decided by the House of Representatives.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,163
    Wasn't it Mark Penn's fault when she lost 8 years ago? When do we get to blam
    JC29856 said:

    one source talking to vanity fair doesn't mean shit. the "source" obviously sounds bitter, so take it with a grain or two.

    Agreed but it seems like every week their is another scapegoat. Sometimes I don't even believe Hilliary lost to a game show host.
    8 years ago when she lost it was all Mark Penn's fault. I agree with Hugh that any of these postmortems should be taken with a grain of salt, particularly if they are anonymously sourced. But we've been here before with Clinton campaigns. The fact will always be that there is plenty of blame to go around and much of it rests on the shoulders at the very top.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    has anyone seen this?

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  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    Why is it with the election over, there are still people obsessed with tearing Hillary Clinton down?
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845

    Why is it with the election over, there are still people obsessed with tearing Hillary Clinton down?

    Because they insist that it's those who voted Dem who can't let it go.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,163

    Why is it with the election over, there are still people obsessed with tearing Hillary Clinton down?

    Because she lost a winnable election and doomed us all to four years of Donald Trump?

    Because the Democratic Party first put its fingers on the scale for her, and is now pointing those same fingers in dozens of different directions as part of a blame game?

    Because not hurting Hillary Clinton's feelings is far less important than making sure this debacle doesn't happen again?

    "Russia! Comey! Wiki!" is a mantra to avoid blame, not one to learn and grow from. Learning, growing, and getting better is what this party needs to do right now.
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  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    JimmyV said:

    Why is it with the election over, there are still people obsessed with tearing Hillary Clinton down?

    Because she lost a winnable election and doomed us all to four years of Donald Trump?

    Because the Democratic Party first put its fingers on the scale for her, and is now pointing those same fingers in dozens of different directions as part of a blame game?

    Because not hurting Hillary Clinton's feelings is far less important than making sure this debacle doesn't happen again?

    "Russia! Comey! Wiki!" is a mantra to avoid blame, not one to learn and grow from. Learning, growing, and getting better is what this party needs to do right now.
    I don't think that everyone in the Democratic party is crying "Russa! Comey! Wiki!" Sure, there is a group of people making those issues public, including some Republicans who want to investigate so that part of the debacle doesn't happen again. But as far as Clinton is concerned, I'm pretty sure most Democrats understand she was a problem candidate. Most Democrats know there is a problem with the DNC. Most Democrats are interested in conversing about these problems and dealing with them. But we can do it without all the ugly talk about the human being. She is a human being, after all.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    JimmyV said:

    Why is it with the election over, there are still people obsessed with tearing Hillary Clinton down?

    Because she lost a winnable election and doomed us all to four years of Donald Trump?

    Because the Democratic Party first put its fingers on the scale for her, and is now pointing those same fingers in dozens of different directions as part of a blame game?

    Because not hurting Hillary Clinton's feelings is far less important than making sure this debacle doesn't happen again?

    "Russia! Comey! Wiki!" is a mantra to avoid blame, not one to learn and grow from. Learning, growing, and getting better is what this party needs to do right now.
    I don't think that everyone in the Democratic party is crying "Russa! Comey! Wiki!" Sure, there is a group of people making those issues public, including some Republicans who want to investigate so that part of the debacle doesn't happen again. But as far as Clinton is concerned, I'm pretty sure most Democrats understand she was a problem candidate. Most Democrats know there is a problem with the DNC. Most Democrats are interested in conversing about these problems and dealing with them. But we can do it without all the ugly talk about the human being. She is a human being, after all.
    Ugly talk? From AMT or somewhere else?
  • I wonder how much money she spent on this election and the 2008 primary.
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  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    JC29856 said:

    JimmyV said:

    Why is it with the election over, there are still people obsessed with tearing Hillary Clinton down?

    Because she lost a winnable election and doomed us all to four years of Donald Trump?

    Because the Democratic Party first put its fingers on the scale for her, and is now pointing those same fingers in dozens of different directions as part of a blame game?

    Because not hurting Hillary Clinton's feelings is far less important than making sure this debacle doesn't happen again?

    "Russia! Comey! Wiki!" is a mantra to avoid blame, not one to learn and grow from. Learning, growing, and getting better is what this party needs to do right now.
    I don't think that everyone in the Democratic party is crying "Russa! Comey! Wiki!" Sure, there is a group of people making those issues public, including some Republicans who want to investigate so that part of the debacle doesn't happen again. But as far as Clinton is concerned, I'm pretty sure most Democrats understand she was a problem candidate. Most Democrats know there is a problem with the DNC. Most Democrats are interested in conversing about these problems and dealing with them. But we can do it without all the ugly talk about the human being. She is a human being, after all.
    Ugly talk? From AMT or somewhere else?
    Both. People on AMT who recycle what they read somewhere else
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    JC29856 said:

    JimmyV said:

    Why is it with the election over, there are still people obsessed with tearing Hillary Clinton down?

    Because she lost a winnable election and doomed us all to four years of Donald Trump?

    Because the Democratic Party first put its fingers on the scale for her, and is now pointing those same fingers in dozens of different directions as part of a blame game?

    Because not hurting Hillary Clinton's feelings is far less important than making sure this debacle doesn't happen again?

    "Russia! Comey! Wiki!" is a mantra to avoid blame, not one to learn and grow from. Learning, growing, and getting better is what this party needs to do right now.
    I don't think that everyone in the Democratic party is crying "Russa! Comey! Wiki!" Sure, there is a group of people making those issues public, including some Republicans who want to investigate so that part of the debacle doesn't happen again. But as far as Clinton is concerned, I'm pretty sure most Democrats understand she was a problem candidate. Most Democrats know there is a problem with the DNC. Most Democrats are interested in conversing about these problems and dealing with them. But we can do it without all the ugly talk about the human being. She is a human being, after all.
    Ugly talk? From AMT or somewhere else?
    Both. People on AMT who recycle what they read somewhere else
    Certainly no need for ugly talk.
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562

    JimmyV said:

    Why is it with the election over, there are still people obsessed with tearing Hillary Clinton down?

    Because she lost a winnable election and doomed us all to four years of Donald Trump?

    Because the Democratic Party first put its fingers on the scale for her, and is now pointing those same fingers in dozens of different directions as part of a blame game?

    Because not hurting Hillary Clinton's feelings is far less important than making sure this debacle doesn't happen again?

    "Russia! Comey! Wiki!" is a mantra to avoid blame, not one to learn and grow from. Learning, growing, and getting better is what this party needs to do right now.
    I don't think that everyone in the Democratic party is crying "Russa! Comey! Wiki!" Sure, there is a group of people making those issues public, including some Republicans who want to investigate so that part of the debacle doesn't happen again. But as far as Clinton is concerned, I'm pretty sure most Democrats understand she was a problem candidate. Most Democrats know there is a problem with the DNC. Most Democrats are interested in conversing about these problems and dealing with them. But we can do it without all the ugly talk about the human being. She is a human being, after all.
    Not so at all. All the Dems I know are still in denial. They still blame everyone else for their problems and the loss of the election.
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    Free said:

    JimmyV said:

    Why is it with the election over, there are still people obsessed with tearing Hillary Clinton down?

    Because she lost a winnable election and doomed us all to four years of Donald Trump?

    Because the Democratic Party first put its fingers on the scale for her, and is now pointing those same fingers in dozens of different directions as part of a blame game?

    Because not hurting Hillary Clinton's feelings is far less important than making sure this debacle doesn't happen again?

    "Russia! Comey! Wiki!" is a mantra to avoid blame, not one to learn and grow from. Learning, growing, and getting better is what this party needs to do right now.
    I don't think that everyone in the Democratic party is crying "Russa! Comey! Wiki!" Sure, there is a group of people making those issues public, including some Republicans who want to investigate so that part of the debacle doesn't happen again. But as far as Clinton is concerned, I'm pretty sure most Democrats understand she was a problem candidate. Most Democrats know there is a problem with the DNC. Most Democrats are interested in conversing about these problems and dealing with them. But we can do it without all the ugly talk about the human being. She is a human being, after all.
    Not so at all. All the Dems I know are still in denial. They still blame everyone else for their problems and the loss of the election.
    You and I hang out in different circles.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,163
    Somewhere as I type this the Lady Rothschilds of the world are deciding who their next champion will be. When they do that person will instantly become the odds on favorite to be the Democratic nominee in 2020. There is blame for everyone but themselves.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,103
    edited December 2016

    JimmyV said:

    Why is it with the election over, there are still people obsessed with tearing Hillary Clinton down?

    Because she lost a winnable election and doomed us all to four years of Donald Trump?

    Because the Democratic Party first put its fingers on the scale for her, and is now pointing those same fingers in dozens of different directions as part of a blame game?

    Because not hurting Hillary Clinton's feelings is far less important than making sure this debacle doesn't happen again?

    "Russia! Comey! Wiki!" is a mantra to avoid blame, not one to learn and grow from. Learning, growing, and getting better is what this party needs to do right now.
    I don't think that everyone in the Democratic party is crying "Russa! Comey! Wiki!" Sure, there is a group of people making those issues public, including some Republicans who want to investigate so that part of the debacle doesn't happen again. But as far as Clinton is concerned, I'm pretty sure most Democrats understand she was a problem candidate. Most Democrats know there is a problem with the DNC. Most Democrats are interested in conversing about these problems and dealing with them. But we can do it without all the ugly talk about the human being. She is a human being, after all.
    Exactly....the dems aren't saying this it is the right wing morons saying that the dems are saying this.

    Kind of like the war on christmas....the war that doesn't exist except on Faux News and right wing media
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited December 2016

    JimmyV said:

    Why is it with the election over, there are still people obsessed with tearing Hillary Clinton down?

    Because she lost a winnable election and doomed us all to four years of Donald Trump?

    Because the Democratic Party first put its fingers on the scale for her, and is now pointing those same fingers in dozens of different directions as part of a blame game?

    Because not hurting Hillary Clinton's feelings is far less important than making sure this debacle doesn't happen again?

    "Russia! Comey! Wiki!" is a mantra to avoid blame, not one to learn and grow from. Learning, growing, and getting better is what this party needs to do right now.
    I don't think that everyone in the Democratic party is crying "Russa! Comey! Wiki!" Sure, there is a group of people making those issues public, including some Republicans who want to investigate so that part of the debacle doesn't happen again. But as far as Clinton is concerned, I'm pretty sure most Democrats understand she was a problem candidate. Most Democrats know there is a problem with the DNC. Most Democrats are interested in conversing about these problems and dealing with them. But we can do it without all the ugly talk about the human being. She is a human being, after all.
    Exactly....the dems aren't saying this it is the right wing morons saying that the dems are saying this.

    Kind of like the war on christmas....the war that doesn't exist except on Faux News and right wing media
    Little do you know. Many of those criticizing the Dems are not right wing at all.
  • Free said:

    JimmyV said:

    Why is it with the election over, there are still people obsessed with tearing Hillary Clinton down?

    Because she lost a winnable election and doomed us all to four years of Donald Trump?

    Because the Democratic Party first put its fingers on the scale for her, and is now pointing those same fingers in dozens of different directions as part of a blame game?

    Because not hurting Hillary Clinton's feelings is far less important than making sure this debacle doesn't happen again?

    "Russia! Comey! Wiki!" is a mantra to avoid blame, not one to learn and grow from. Learning, growing, and getting better is what this party needs to do right now.
    I don't think that everyone in the Democratic party is crying "Russa! Comey! Wiki!" Sure, there is a group of people making those issues public, including some Republicans who want to investigate so that part of the debacle doesn't happen again. But as far as Clinton is concerned, I'm pretty sure most Democrats understand she was a problem candidate. Most Democrats know there is a problem with the DNC. Most Democrats are interested in conversing about these problems and dealing with them. But we can do it without all the ugly talk about the human being. She is a human being, after all.
    Exactly....the dems aren't saying this it is the right wing morons saying that the dems are saying this.

    Kind of like the war on christmas....the war that doesn't exist except on Faux News and right wing media
    Little do you know. Many of those criticizing the Dems are not right wing at all.
    I can't translate that statement.
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    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    It is true that there is a radical contingent of leftists who are criticizing the Democratic party. They want to move the party further left, and I actually predict that will happen based on my observations and understanding. We will be left without a center after all this is over. Whether or not that is good for the country will be seen.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,163

    It is true that there is a radical contingent of leftists who are criticizing the Democratic party. They want to move the party further left, and I actually predict that will happen based on my observations and understanding. We will be left without a center after all this is over. Whether or not that is good for the country will be seen.

    I feel like this is a contradiction. Do most Democrats understand the problem or is it just a radical contingent of leftists criticizing the party?



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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited December 2016

    It is true that there is a radical contingent of leftists who are criticizing the Democratic party. They want to move the party further left, and I actually predict that will happen based on my observations and understanding. We will be left without a center after all this is over. Whether or not that is good for the country will be seen.

    The party is in dire need to move more progressive. This closet Republican – centrist Hillary Clinton idealism does not work for the Dems anymore. There are too many Bernie supporters in the party that will push it to the left.

    And no, it's not some radical contingent of leftists. It is the direction we're moving, it is the direction America wants to move. Or have we not been been paying attention to Bernie Sanders message and all the supporters of follow him- millions of people.
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    everybody is forgetting about that it's very well played by the Democratic party.



  • Free said:

    It is true that there is a radical contingent of leftists who are criticizing the Democratic party. They want to move the party further left, and I actually predict that will happen based on my observations and understanding. We will be left without a center after all this is over. Whether or not that is good for the country will be seen.

    The party is in dire need to move more progressive. This closet Republican – centrist Hillary Clinton idealism does not work for the Dems anymore. There are too many Bernie supporters in the party that will push it to the left.

    And no, it's not some radical contingent of leftists. It is the direction we're moving, it is the direction America wants to move. Or have we not been been paying attention to Bernie Sanders message and all the supporters of follow him- millions of people.
    But HRC would have been the next logical step rather than Trumpenstein. The radical left couldn't come to grips with that.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,163

    JC29856 said:

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    everybody is forgetting about that it's very well played by the Democratic party.



    What?
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Electors are voting Sanders instead of Hilliary
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