What the hell happen in Virginia??

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Godfather. said:

thirty, your post is questioning opinions and beliefs and you post it as if your in the right, how can that be ? if 170,000 guns were sold I'd say that there are pleanty of people that have different views than you on gun ownership.

I'd like to buy an" E " Pat

Godfather.

Hahahaha!

I'll give you an 'e'. I already did to be honest.

GF... firstly, its 170,000,000. Secondly... I'm well aware there are opinions contrary to mine regarding gun ownership. I can only assert what I believe, but what I assert is with the interest of your children at heart. I'm not promoting my views to piss you, McScruffy, or Goingtoverona off. And I'm not pushing my perspective for any personal gain.

The rest of the world has a pretty unbiased opinion on the issue as outsiders looking in. It's unanimous amongst the foreign contingency here that the problem is real and the root of the problem is... guns- lots of them, too many of them, and the wrong kinds.

Is it possible the rest of the world might be right imploring your country to make some changes? We're not secretly trying to disarm you so we can attack you. It just sickens us when we read of the daily heartbreaking stories that seem so unnecessary- just like the other international stories where people suffering is the topic.

josevolution

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Godfather. said:

some people can star right at the facts and still not see the truth.

Godfather.

Yes sir. I presented nemerous articles from reputable sources....

Can't recall them specifically (though I think most here do honestly read and consider such articles and only discount them if there is a reason to do so), but just wondering what the end game is for you guys? I.e. Assuming you are willing to admit there is a really bad gun violence problem in the USA, what do you think needs to be done to dramatically reduce it, if not better gun regulation and fewer guns? Sorry if you've said before, but I don't recall ever seeing a real solution suggested by either one of you. Are your ideas rooted in somehow adjusting the criminal justice system? If so, do you have stats on first time offenders who hurt or kill using guns? Would also like to know about your ideas regarding accidental gun deaths connected to both responsible and irresponsible gun owners.

i've said this numerous times but here's my solutions one more time:
(originally directed to my friend callen)

every weapon bought has to be registered with the state and federal government. Before owning a gun you must take a firearm safety course. Before owning a gun you must pass a background check. Before owning a gun you must pass a mental health background check. Before owning your first gun your employer should be contacted to make sure there are no problems. Penalties for straw purchases and selling guns illegally should be enforced and more severe. Educate children (what age I don't know) on what a firearm is, what it can do, what to do if you find one in you house. Educate on safely storing firearms: pass a law that provides a gun lock with every firearm purchase. Here in nj we have a maximum of 15 rounds for a detachable clip but I don't see why a federal policy of max of 30 rounds isn't reasonable. Don't ban any guns, just make sure people are fit to use them responsibly.
There you go my friend!
Mike

Ok this to me would be a great way to move forward and you get to keep your guns which by the way no one here ever said to ban all guns or take them from you ....

jose you already agreed with me once before on this same post lol. I seriously think that a lot of my suggestions are just common sense but for some reason people are scared as hell to put these measures into place.
However there are people on here that want to ban certain guns and tax the hell out of ammo, that I have a problem with.

Yes sir you are correct sorry for the double agreement lol it happens with old age

JUST A GIRL

PJ_Soul said:

Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is there till semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.

Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.

Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha

Seems to be the case around here most of the time.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

JUST A GIRL said:

PJ_Soul said:

Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is there till semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.

Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.

Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha

Seems to be the case around here most of the time.

Do ya think?

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

JUST A GIRL said:

PJ_Soul said:

Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is there till semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.

Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.

Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha

Seems to be the case around here most of the time.

Do ya think?

with some people yes. they make these accusations and suggestions but have zero clue what they are talking about. you my friend know your stuff and actually back up your opinion with sensible ideas that although I don't agree with I can respect.

hedonist

JUST A GIRL said:

PJ_Soul said:

Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is there till semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.

Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.

Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha

For someone so quick to cry wolf bullying at innocuous comments, you seem pretty quick to talk smack at others. It's truly not inconceivable to have rational discussion here, even when passionate.

Anyway, I heard a story on the news this morning about a 15-year-old kid who went on a shooting spree at his school; had an AK-47 or AR-15, I don't know (hahaha!)...but how the hell does someone his age get his hands on such a weapon? And he had others stashed at home.

What's supremely sad is when I tried to Google the story, a shitload of links to similar incidents came up.

mcgruff10

hedonist said:

JUST A GIRL said:

PJ_Soul said:

Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is there till semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.

Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.

Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha

For someone so quick to cry wolf bullying at innocuous comments, you seem pretty quick to talk smack at others. It's truly not inconceivable to have rational discussion here, even when passionate.

Anyway, I heard a story on the news this morning about a 15-year-old kid who went on a shooting spree at his school; had an AK-47 or AR-15, I don't know (hahaha!)...but how the hell does someone his age get his hands on such a weapon? And he had others stashed at home.

What's supremely sad is when I tried to Google the story, a shitload of links to similar incidents came up.

well he didn't buy his legally. one of his dumbass parents didn't securely lock it up.

Bentleyspop

JUST A GIRL said:

PJ_Soul said:

Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is there till semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.

Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.

Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha

Seems to be the case around here most of the time.

That reads like some bullying right there.

PJ_Soul

JUST A GIRL said:

PJ_Soul said:

Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is that still semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.

Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.

Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha

Seems to be the case around here most of the time.

I didn't realize that it is imperative that I had to remember whether or not an AK-47 is automatic or semi-automatic in order to have an opinion.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
You just experienced what it's like to live outside of America, where the particular specs of military grade weapons aren't common knowledge. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Yeah, so civilians shouldn't have military grade weapons. I know, it's hilarious.

Hey, wait. Are you picking on me?!?!

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

JUST A GIRL said:

PJ_Soul said:

Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is that still semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.

Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.

Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha

Seems to be the case around here most of the time.

I didn't realize that it is imperative that I had to remember whether or not an AK-47 is automatic or semi-automatic in order to have an opinion.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
You just experienced what it's like to live outside of America, where the particular specs of military grade weapons aren't common knowledge. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Yeah, so civilians shouldn't have military grade weapons. I know, it's hilarious.

Hey, wait. Are you picking on me?!?!

So how on earth can you have such a strong opinion on something that you know nothing about? That s crazy.

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

JUST A GIRL said:

PJ_Soul said:

Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is that still semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.

Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.

Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha

Seems to be the case around here most of the time.

I didn't realize that it is imperative that I had to remember whether or not an AK-47 is automatic or semi-automatic in order to have an opinion.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
You just experienced what it's like to live outside of America, where the particular specs of military grade weapons aren't common knowledge. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Yeah, so civilians shouldn't have military grade weapons. I know, it's hilarious.

Hey, wait. Are you picking on me?!?!

So how on earth can you have such a strong opinion on something that you know nothing about? That s crazy.

What is it you're expecting me to know about? Whether an AK-47 is auto or semi-auto off the top of my head while writing a post? Why do you think I need to know that in particular when considering my opinions here? Are you and JAG trying to say that you have to be a gun nut to have an opinion about the gun problem in the US?

PJfanwillneverleave1

PJ_Soul

I feel like I'm doing an interview on Fox News right now, lol.

JUST A GIRL

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

JUST A GIRL said:

PJ_Soul said:

Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is that still semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.

Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.

Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha

Seems to be the case around here most of the time.

I didn't realize that it is imperative that I had to remember whether or not an AK-47 is automatic or semi-automatic in order to have an opinion.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
You just experienced what it's like to live outside of America, where the particular specs of military grade weapons aren't common knowledge. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Yeah, so civilians shouldn't have military grade weapons. I know, it's hilarious.

Hey, wait. Are you picking on me?!?!

So how on earth can you have such a strong opinion on something that you know nothing about? That s crazy.

Not bullying! Can't believe someone would accuse ME of bullying when I've been bullied and laughed at all along and no one cares. I'm told I'm playing the victim. When someone is bullied they ARE the victim. Right?

I laughed so hard because we've had hundreds of posts by pj soul about gun control and how Americans are gun nuts and crazy for guns. And how we should no longer be allowed to buy them.

But then the truth comes out that he knows nothing about guns at all. He didn't say "is it auto or semi auto" he said "what's an ak47? I know nothing about guns"

I personally find it halarious that they have the time and means to post continuously how they are opposed to guns but know nothing. Where does he even form his opinions from? Sounds straight out of corporate media to me.

That's not bullying. It burns me so bad I'm accused of bullying straight away, but when I call others out for Bullying I am simply ignored and forgotten. This place is like a high school fraternity.

And I'm out once again.

PJ_Soul

I am a female, FYI.

But again, this really is like a Fox News tactic. To take some stupid point that is totally irrelevant to the conversation, and try to discount an entire perspective with it. What a joke.

Not that most people need me to say this, but by "I know nothing about guns" I meant that I am not a gun nut (of course I know what an AK-47 is; whether it's semi-auto or auto slipped my mind). I haven't memorized the specs of each make of gun. I'm pretty sure I can still have a clear perspective of the issue. I would suggest that if anyone doesn't think so, they are total idiots.

BTW, JAG.... I couldn't care less about your ideology about bullying or whether you are bullying me or not (which you weren't - people were joking. You were bullying me about as much as I have ever bullied you, which is not at all).

hedonist

How is it so far-fetched to feel strongly about the proliferation of guns and the idiots, the assholes, the mentally ill and the irresponsible who possess them taking out innocents?

Please, take all the time you need.

Deja vu.

PJ_Soul

hedonist said:

How is it so far-fetched to feel strongly about the proliferation of guns and the idiots, the assholes, the mentally ill and the irresponsible who possess them taking out innocents?

Please, take all the time you need.

Deja vu.

I'm actually irritated in this thread for the first time because of this little attempt to try and discount.... everything I've posted in this thread, apparently, as my opinion. It's just so dumb, and such a cheat.

Last-12-Exit

To think for one second that I or anyone else that disagrees with you doesn't know what we are talking about is absurd. Do you really think you're smarter than me or anyone else here because you own a gun? I doubt it. You have no clue what I know.

If you knew so much, you'd know that as little as 3 years ago, I was pro gun. I didn't think the government needed to tell americans how many and what kind of guns they should own. I know the laws, and what they mean. But guess what? 20 children being mowed down by a lunatic who's mom was a "responsible" gun owner started to change my mind. Maybe if those damn kids had side arms, they wouldn't have been shot to pieces.

So please, spare me and everyone else your high horse ex fucking wife syndrome. Because honestly, who's being close minded?

rgambs

Godfather. said:

some people can star right at the facts and still not see the truth.

Godfather.

Hahaha like in the "legalizing drugs" thread where Drowning posts the facts from decriminalization in Portugal and you outright ignore them because they don't support your narrative?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mcgruff10 said:

hedonist said:

JUST A GIRL said:

PJ_Soul said:

Why are people always talking about AK-47s then? Whatever that is. I don't know about guns. Is there till semi-automatic? No one should be able to have one of those either, or anything like it. I also don't support people owning handguns, actually, but thinking those should be banned isn't realistic enough.

Yeah, I think the education you're talking about also would not help the gun culture problem. Better not to talk about it at all in schools IMO. Somehow, the US has to get guns out of American's brains. Adding gun education won't do that. On the contrary. Yes, yes, I understand the issue here.... you've got a gun problem, so you need to teach kids gun safety. Yes, it's a rock and a hard place. But seriously.... Americans are gun nuts, and it's way too in the forefront in your daily lives. Something needs to be done to stop that.

Hahahaha! Such strong opinions on stuff you have zero clue about. What's an ak47?? Hahahahahahaha

For someone so quick to cry wolf bullying at innocuous comments, you seem pretty quick to talk smack at others. It's truly not inconceivable to have rational discussion here, even when passionate.

Anyway, I heard a story on the news this morning about a 15-year-old kid who went on a shooting spree at his school; had an AK-47 or AR-15, I don't know (hahaha!)...but how the hell does someone his age get his hands on such a weapon? And he had others stashed at home.

What's supremely sad is when I tried to Google the story, a shitload of links to similar incidents came up.

well he didn't buy his legally. one of his dumbass parents didn't securely lock it up.

Exactly what people are saying.

Every gun owner is 'responsible' until they aren't anymore. And guns don't discern- they do exactly what they were designed to do when they get put to use.

Military style weapons? Why? Boar hunting? I don't buy it. They're just fancy toys ultimately and that's not enough, in my mind, to justify them in your neighbour's possession where his punk kiud can access it and use it on his classmates because he's in the midst of a mood swing.

The real problem is handguns though. Again... nobody needs these outside of rural area workers and 'armed professions' like cops or guards. In places like Alaska, I can understand hunters having one as a sidearm. So... outside of 'need'... handguns, like assault rifles, are really just fancy toys that end up being a serious risk to the public.

Hobbies and enjoyment should not trump public safety.