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  • dudeman said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22

    well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns.
    and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
    Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
    dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.

    Godfather.

    'Gun history' is definitely a factor for preparing one's self for defence against guns. If you didn't know what a gun was... you might just walk up to it and peer down the barrel to see what's inside it.
    I think I saw that once on YouTube.
    "I reckon I dun went an looked down that there barrel."
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661

    mcgruff10 said:

    Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22

    well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns.
    and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
    Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
    dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.

    Godfather.

    Can you show me otherwise?
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,162

    mcgruff10 said:

    Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22

    well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns.
    and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
    Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
    dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.

    Godfather.

    Can you show me otherwise?
    Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_defense_weapon

    Hope this helps.
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    dudeman said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22

    well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns.
    and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
    Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
    dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.

    Godfather.

    Can you show me otherwise?
    Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_defense_weapon

    Hope this helps.
    Two things: 1) anything from Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source for anything. And 2) just because something is called a personal defense weapon, does not mean that that gun isn't designed to kill somebody. Nice try though.
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,162

    dudeman said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22

    well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns.
    and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
    Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
    dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.

    Godfather.

    'Gun history' is definitely a factor for preparing one's self for defence against guns. If you didn't know what a gun was... you might just walk up to it and peer down the barrel to see what's inside it.
    I think I saw that once on YouTube.
    "I reckon I dun went an looked down that there barrel."
    These people are out there. However, I think gun owners are all thought of that way by some people. There is a definite lack of understanding that we are not all like that.

    I imagine some people have a mental image of gun owners as a bunch of hillbilly rednecks that like to blast the hell of of stuff with machine guns and then masturbate all over the pile of spent cartridge casings. Some gun owners might do exactly that, but I assure you, they are the extreme minority.
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    dudeman said:

    dudeman said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22

    well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns.
    and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
    Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
    dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.

    Godfather.

    'Gun history' is definitely a factor for preparing one's self for defence against guns. If you didn't know what a gun was... you might just walk up to it and peer down the barrel to see what's inside it.
    I think I saw that once on YouTube.
    "I reckon I dun went an looked down that there barrel."
    These people are out there. However, I think gun owners are all thought of that way by some people. There is a definite lack of understanding that we are not all like that.

    I imagine some people have a mental image of gun owners as a bunch of hillbilly rednecks that like to blast the hell of of stuff with machine guns and then masturbate all over the pile of spent cartridge casings. Some gun owners might do exactly that, but I assure you, they are the extreme minority.
    Comedy gold there folks. Thanks for that mental image!
    :rofl:
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,162

    dudeman said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22

    well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns.
    and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
    Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
    dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.

    Godfather.

    Can you show me otherwise?
    Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_defense_weapon

    Hope this helps.
    Two things: 1) anything from Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source for anything. And 2) just because something is called a personal defense weapon, does not mean that that gun isn't designed to kill somebody. Nice try though.
    Lots of companies offer guns that were designed for self-defense purposes. They are conceptualized, engineered, manufactured and sold with that purpose in mind. Any gun is capable of being used to kill. I'm not sure what you are clinging to here.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    mcgruff10 said:

    Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22

    well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns.
    and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
    Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
    dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.

    Godfather.

    Can you show me otherwise?
    I already did once.

    Godfather.

  • dudeman said:

    dudeman said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22

    well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns.
    and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
    Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
    dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.

    Godfather.

    'Gun history' is definitely a factor for preparing one's self for defence against guns. If you didn't know what a gun was... you might just walk up to it and peer down the barrel to see what's inside it.
    I think I saw that once on YouTube.
    "I reckon I dun went an looked down that there barrel."
    These people are out there. However, I think gun owners are all thought of that way by some people. There is a definite lack of understanding that we are not all like that.

    I imagine some people have a mental image of gun owners as a bunch of hillbilly rednecks that like to blast the hell of of stuff with machine guns and then masturbate all over the pile of spent cartridge casings. Some gun owners might do exactly that, but I assure you, they are the extreme minority.
    I'm just goofing around. I go that way sometimes.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,162

    dudeman said:

    dudeman said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22

    well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns.
    and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
    Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
    dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.

    Godfather.

    'Gun history' is definitely a factor for preparing one's self for defence against guns. If you didn't know what a gun was... you might just walk up to it and peer down the barrel to see what's inside it.
    I think I saw that once on YouTube.
    "I reckon I dun went an looked down that there barrel."
    These people are out there. However, I think gun owners are all thought of that way by some people. There is a definite lack of understanding that we are not all like that.

    I imagine some people have a mental image of gun owners as a bunch of hillbilly rednecks that like to blast the hell of of stuff with machine guns and then masturbate all over the pile of spent cartridge casings. Some gun owners might do exactly that, but I assure you, they are the extreme minority.
    I'm just goofing around. I go that way sometimes.
    Yeah, me too. There are always extreme examples to be found in any group.
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,131
    hmmmmmmm.......
    SHOCK: AS AMERICANS BOUGHT 170 MILLION GUNS, VIOLENT CRIME FELL 51%
    by AWR HAWKINS31 Aug 2015
    On August 28, the NRA presented ATF and FBI data showing Americans have purchased “170 million new guns” since 1991, and violent crime has fallen “51 percent.”

    The NRA tweeted, “Since ’91, Americans have acquired over 170 million new firearms and violent crimes have declined by 51%.”

    This information squares with the findings of a Congressional Research Service (CRS) study covering the slightly shorter period of time from 1994 to 2009. For those years, CRS found that Americans purchased approximately 118 million firearms, and the 1993 “firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide” rate of 6.6 per 100,000 fell to 3.6 per 100,000 by the year 2000. It eventually fell all the way to 3.2 per 100,000 in 2011.

    That is more than a 50 percent reduction in “firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide.”

    Then, in 2009—the year the CRS study ended—Obama took office and gun sales began their climb to record levels, which made covering the gap between the 118 million guns that had been purchased by 2009 and the “170 million new guns” that Americans would own by 2015 an easy gap to bridge.

    Breitbart News previously reported that there were 21,093,273 background checks for firearms in 2013 alone. And each of those checks were on buyers who could have legally purchased multiple firearms.

    The overarching message is simple—more guns, less crime. Americans have purchased “170 million new guns” since 1991, and violent crime has decreased as gun ownership has increased.

    Follow AWR Hawkins on Twitter: @AWRHawkins. Reach him directly at awrhawkins@breitbart.com.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388

    dudeman said:

    dudeman said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22

    well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns.
    and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
    Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
    dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.

    Godfather.

    'Gun history' is definitely a factor for preparing one's self for defence against guns. If you didn't know what a gun was... you might just walk up to it and peer down the barrel to see what's inside it.
    I think I saw that once on YouTube.
    "I reckon I dun went an looked down that there barrel."
    These people are out there. However, I think gun owners are all thought of that way by some people. There is a definite lack of understanding that we are not all like that.

    I imagine some people have a mental image of gun owners as a bunch of hillbilly rednecks that like to blast the hell of of stuff with machine guns and then masturbate all over the pile of spent cartridge casings. Some gun owners might do exactly that, but I assure you, they are the extreme minority.
    I'm just goofing around. I go that way sometimes.
    Not that there's anything wrong with that. :)
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,131
    callen said:

    dudeman said:

    dudeman said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22

    well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns.
    and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
    Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
    dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.

    Godfather.

    'Gun history' is definitely a factor for preparing one's self for defence against guns. If you didn't know what a gun was... you might just walk up to it and peer down the barrel to see what's inside it.
    I think I saw that once on YouTube.
    "I reckon I dun went an looked down that there barrel."
    These people are out there. However, I think gun owners are all thought of that way by some people. There is a definite lack of understanding that we are not all like that.

    I imagine some people have a mental image of gun owners as a bunch of hillbilly rednecks that like to blast the hell of of stuff with machine guns and then masturbate all over the pile of spent cartridge casings. Some gun owners might do exactly that, but I assure you, they are the extreme minority.
    I'm just goofing around. I go that way sometimes.
    Not that there's anything wrong with that. :)
    Please we can goof around but absolutely no grammar mistakes. ;)
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,162
    edited September 2015
    I just came across this and found it interesting:

    http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/CPRC-Mass-Shooting-Analysis-Bloomberg2.pdf

    For those that don't want to read the whole report: "Since 2009, only 8 percent of mass public shootings have occurred in places where civilians are allowed to defend themselves."

    Thoughts?
    Post edited by dudeman on
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  • mcgruff10 said:

    hmmmmmmm.......
    SHOCK: AS AMERICANS BOUGHT 170 MILLION GUNS, VIOLENT CRIME FELL 51%
    by AWR HAWKINS31 Aug 2015
    On August 28, the NRA presented ATF and FBI data showing Americans have purchased “170 million new guns” since 1991, and violent crime has fallen “51 percent.”

    The NRA tweeted, “Since ’91, Americans have acquired over 170 million new firearms and violent crimes have declined by 51%.”

    This information squares with the findings of a Congressional Research Service (CRS) study covering the slightly shorter period of time from 1994 to 2009. For those years, CRS found that Americans purchased approximately 118 million firearms, and the 1993 “firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide” rate of 6.6 per 100,000 fell to 3.6 per 100,000 by the year 2000. It eventually fell all the way to 3.2 per 100,000 in 2011.

    That is more than a 50 percent reduction in “firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide.”

    Then, in 2009—the year the CRS study ended—Obama took office and gun sales began their climb to record levels, which made covering the gap between the 118 million guns that had been purchased by 2009 and the “170 million new guns” that Americans would own by 2015 an easy gap to bridge.

    Breitbart News previously reported that there were 21,093,273 background checks for firearms in 2013 alone. And each of those checks were on buyers who could have legally purchased multiple firearms.

    The overarching message is simple—more guns, less crime. Americans have purchased “170 million new guns” since 1991, and violent crime has decreased as gun ownership has increased.

    Follow AWR Hawkins on Twitter: @AWRHawkins. Reach him directly at awrhawkins@breitbart.com.

    Holy Christ...

    170 million 'new' guns since 1991.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mcgruff10 said:

    hmmmmmmm.......
    SHOCK: AS AMERICANS BOUGHT 170 MILLION GUNS, VIOLENT CRIME FELL 51%
    by AWR HAWKINS31 Aug 2015
    On August 28, the NRA presented ATF and FBI data showing Americans have purchased “170 million new guns” since 1991, and violent crime has fallen “51 percent.”

    The NRA tweeted, “Since ’91, Americans have acquired over 170 million new firearms and violent crimes have declined by 51%.”

    This information squares with the findings of a Congressional Research Service (CRS) study covering the slightly shorter period of time from 1994 to 2009. For those years, CRS found that Americans purchased approximately 118 million firearms, and the 1993 “firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide” rate of 6.6 per 100,000 fell to 3.6 per 100,000 by the year 2000. It eventually fell all the way to 3.2 per 100,000 in 2011.

    That is more than a 50 percent reduction in “firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide.”

    Then, in 2009—the year the CRS study ended—Obama took office and gun sales began their climb to record levels, which made covering the gap between the 118 million guns that had been purchased by 2009 and the “170 million new guns” that Americans would own by 2015 an easy gap to bridge.

    Breitbart News previously reported that there were 21,093,273 background checks for firearms in 2013 alone. And each of those checks were on buyers who could have legally purchased multiple firearms.

    The overarching message is simple—more guns, less crime. Americans have purchased “170 million new guns” since 1991, and violent crime has decreased as gun ownership has increased.

    Follow AWR Hawkins on Twitter: @AWRHawkins. Reach him directly at awrhawkins@breitbart.com.

    One of those instances that prove that you can make almost anything out of statistics. Perhaps the lower crime rate is due to higher cell phone use? Cell phone purchases have clearly significantly increased since 1991.

    For starters, the violent crime rate has been going down over most of the world since 1990, not just in the USA, and in most of those countries there has not been a large increase in gun ownership. The homicide rate in Canada has also decreased by 50% - can you argue that this has occurred due to more guns? Violent crime is also down in most of Europe. It's a larger phenomenon that is not completely explained but likely has nothing to do with more guns in the US.

    Next - the population of the US has also increased by close to 100 million since then, which makes the actual increase per capita less compelling. Did they also publish data on guns taken out of circulation? Did they publish data on how many of those new guns went to people purchasing a gun for the first time, compared to people purchasing their 10th? After all, just how many guns can you carry or use at the same time?

    Of course the NRA is presenting these statistics. That doesn't mean their correlation has any explanatory value.
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  • mcgruff10 said:

    hmmmmmmm.......
    SHOCK: AS AMERICANS BOUGHT 170 MILLION GUNS, VIOLENT CRIME FELL 51%
    by AWR HAWKINS31 Aug 2015
    On August 28, the NRA presented ATF and FBI data showing Americans have purchased “170 million new guns” since 1991, and violent crime has fallen “51 percent.”

    The NRA tweeted, “Since ’91, Americans have acquired over 170 million new firearms and violent crimes have declined by 51%.”

    This information squares with the findings of a Congressional Research Service (CRS) study covering the slightly shorter period of time from 1994 to 2009. For those years, CRS found that Americans purchased approximately 118 million firearms, and the 1993 “firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide” rate of 6.6 per 100,000 fell to 3.6 per 100,000 by the year 2000. It eventually fell all the way to 3.2 per 100,000 in 2011.

    That is more than a 50 percent reduction in “firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide.”

    Then, in 2009—the year the CRS study ended—Obama took office and gun sales began their climb to record levels, which made covering the gap between the 118 million guns that had been purchased by 2009 and the “170 million new guns” that Americans would own by 2015 an easy gap to bridge.

    Breitbart News previously reported that there were 21,093,273 background checks for firearms in 2013 alone. And each of those checks were on buyers who could have legally purchased multiple firearms.

    The overarching message is simple—more guns, less crime. Americans have purchased “170 million new guns” since 1991, and violent crime has decreased as gun ownership has increased.

    Follow AWR Hawkins on Twitter: @AWRHawkins. Reach him directly at awrhawkins@breitbart.com.

    One of those instances that prove that you can make almost anything out of statistics. Perhaps the lower crime rate is due to higher cell phone use? Cell phone purchases have clearly significantly increased since 1991.

    For starters, the violent crime rate has been going down over most of the world since 1990, not just in the USA, and in most of those countries there has not been a large increase in gun ownership. The homicide rate in Canada has also decreased by 50% - can you argue that this has occurred due to more guns? Violent crime is also down in most of Europe. It's a larger phenomenon that is not completely explained but likely has nothing to do with more guns in the US.

    Next - the population of the US has also increased by close to 100 million since then, which makes the actual increase per capita less compelling. Did they also publish data on guns taken out of circulation? Did they publish data on how many of those new guns went to people purchasing a gun for the first time, compared to people purchasing their 10th? After all, just how many guns can you carry or use at the same time?

    Of course the NRA is presenting these statistics. That doesn't mean their correlation has any explanatory value.
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  • dudeman said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22

    well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns.
    and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
    Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
    dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.

    Godfather.

    'Gun history' is definitely a factor for preparing one's self for defence against guns. If you didn't know what a gun was... you might just walk up to it and peer down the barrel to see what's inside it.
    I think I saw that once on YouTube.
    "I reckon I dun went an looked down that there barrel."
    That's racist
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    mcgruff10 said:

    callen said:

    dudeman said:

    dudeman said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22

    well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns.
    and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
    Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
    dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.

    Godfather.

    'Gun history' is definitely a factor for preparing one's self for defence against guns. If you didn't know what a gun was... you might just walk up to it and peer down the barrel to see what's inside it.
    I think I saw that once on YouTube.
    "I reckon I dun went an looked down that there barrel."
    These people are out there. However, I think gun owners are all thought of that way by some people. There is a definite lack of understanding that we are not all like that.

    I imagine some people have a mental image of gun owners as a bunch of hillbilly rednecks that like to blast the hell of of stuff with machine guns and then masturbate all over the pile of spent cartridge casings. Some gun owners might do exactly that, but I assure you, they are the extreme minority.
    I'm just goofing around. I go that way sometimes.
    Not that there's anything wrong with that. :)
    Please we can goof around but absolutely no grammar mistakes. ;)
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576

    dudeman said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Again, no gun in the history of man, has ever been made to defend your home. The intruder doesn't know what you're packing. Basically what you're asking is which gun is more effective at killing quicker. Which is the ak-47, unless you're a marksman and can do a dude between the eyes with a .22

    well they make weapons with the specific objective to defend your home. they have shotguns made for hunting and shotguns made specifically for home defense. same with rifles...same with hand guns.
    and i bought my 9mm to defend my home...not hunt. so i guess I changed history. sweet!
    Nope. They are all designed for killing things.
    dude you can't just spew out stuff like "no gun history was made for self defence" that's just crazy talk.

    Godfather.

    'Gun history' is definitely a factor for preparing one's self for defence against guns. If you didn't know what a gun was... you might just walk up to it and peer down the barrel to see what's inside it.
    I think I saw that once on YouTube.
    "I reckon I dun went an looked down that there barrel."
    That's racist
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