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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275
    edited August 2015
    PJPOWER said:

    mickeyrat said:

    PJPOWER said:

    I'm stubborn, I just don't like the governments deep reach into our lives.

    Godfather.

    I'm with you! My problem is that the government pretty much fucks up anything it gets involved in, so why would anyone want an irresponsible governing body reaching into their lives...Oh, I forget, libtards cannot handle their own affairs! On the note of people being responsible for putting guns in the hands of criminals, did you guys hear that the Garland shooter's gun was a "Fast and Furious" gun??? I guess that anyone responsible for "Fast and Furious" should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I may actually support that!
    Like former pres bush?
    Absolutely, him and Obama could share a cell! The two of them have done more to destroy unity and drive this nation apart than any president since Lincoln (yes, Lincoln was an asshat too) Why do people assume that because someone supports the constitution and gun rights that they are automatically Bush fans? I am as Libertarian as they come. The world would be a better place if people just helped one another instead of depending on the government to decide how people should help one another. What program has the government not fucked up?
    The government is just as efficient as a large corporation. Having dealt with AT&T and Comcast recently I can tell you that they are much less efficient than the IRS which I deal with almost daily.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177

    PJPOWER said:

    mickeyrat said:

    PJPOWER said:

    I'm stubborn, I just don't like the governments deep reach into our lives.

    Godfather.

    I'm with you! My problem is that the government pretty much fucks up anything it gets involved in, so why would anyone want an irresponsible governing body reaching into their lives...Oh, I forget, libtards cannot handle their own affairs! On the note of people being responsible for putting guns in the hands of criminals, did you guys hear that the Garland shooter's gun was a "Fast and Furious" gun??? I guess that anyone responsible for "Fast and Furious" should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I may actually support that!
    Like former pres bush?
    Absolutely, him and Obama could share a cell! The two of them have done more to destroy unity and drive this nation apart than any president since Lincoln (yes, Lincoln was an asshat too) Why do people assume that because someone supports the constitution and gun rights that they are automatically Bush fans? I am as Libertarian as they come. The world would be a better place if people just helped one another instead of depending on the government to decide how people should help one another. What program has the government not fucked up?
    The government is just as efficient as a large corporation. Having dealt with AT&T and Comcast recently I can tell you that they are much less efficient than the IRS which I deal with almost daily.
    Sorry, I don't buy it. I can vote with my dollars when it comes to private business. I can't when it comes to the government. If you don't like your experience with AT&T, try a different carrier.

    I've had plenty of battles with the IRS. I'd love to be able to choose a different revenue service to work with.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2015

    PJPOWER said:

    mickeyrat said:

    PJPOWER said:

    I'm stubborn, I just don't like the governments deep reach into our lives.

    Godfather.

    I'm with you! My problem is that the government pretty much fucks up anything it gets involved in, so why would anyone want an irresponsible governing body reaching into their lives...Oh, I forget, libtards cannot handle their own affairs! On the note of people being responsible for putting guns in the hands of criminals, did you guys hear that the Garland shooter's gun was a "Fast and Furious" gun??? I guess that anyone responsible for "Fast and Furious" should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I may actually support that!
    Like former pres bush?
    Absolutely, him and Obama could share a cell! The two of them have done more to destroy unity and drive this nation apart than any president since Lincoln (yes, Lincoln was an asshat too) Why do people assume that because someone supports the constitution and gun rights that they are automatically Bush fans? I am as Libertarian as they come. The world would be a better place if people just helped one another instead of depending on the government to decide how people should help one another. What program has the government not fucked up?
    The government is just as efficient as a large corporation. Having dealt with AT&T and Comcast recently I can tell you that they are much less efficient than the IRS which I deal with almost daily.
    Well at least we kinda agree on something. I too feel that the government shares many similarities as large corporations; lack of empathy for people on a personal level, only agenda is to build itself...except all to often, heads of government are not there because they have done anything to help it. More so, they are there because of FOX, CNN, and other groups that promote their best interests, not the people's. How can one governing body decide what is in the best interests of millions? Sorry, do not mean to derail the gun topic. I totally support an individual's rights to own firearms :).
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    mickeyrat said:

    PJPOWER said:

    I'm stubborn, I just don't like the governments deep reach into our lives.

    Godfather.

    I'm with you! My problem is that the government pretty much fucks up anything it gets involved in, so why would anyone want an irresponsible governing body reaching into their lives...Oh, I forget, libtards cannot handle their own affairs! On the note of people being responsible for putting guns in the hands of criminals, did you guys hear that the Garland shooter's gun was a "Fast and Furious" gun??? I guess that anyone responsible for "Fast and Furious" should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I may actually support that!
    Like former pres bush?
    Absolutely, him and Obama could share a cell! The two of them have done more to destroy unity and drive this nation apart than any president since Lincoln (yes, Lincoln was an asshat too) Why do people assume that because someone supports the constitution and gun rights that they are automatically Bush fans? I am as Libertarian as they come. The world would be a better place if people just helped one another instead of depending on the government to decide how people should help one another. What program has the government not fucked up?
    The government is just as efficient as a large corporation. Having dealt with AT&T and Comcast recently I can tell you that they are much less efficient than the IRS which I deal with almost daily.
    Well at least we kinda agree on something. I too feel that the government shares many similarities as large corporations; lack of empathy for people on a personal level, only agenda is to build itself...except all to often, heads of government are not there because they have done anything to help it. More so, they are there because of FOX, CNN, and other groups that promote their best interests, not the people's. How can one governing body decide what is in the best interests of millions?
    PJPOWER...I agree with you, you've nailed it !


    Godfather.

  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275
    jeffbr said:

    PJPOWER said:

    mickeyrat said:

    PJPOWER said:

    I'm stubborn, I just don't like the governments deep reach into our lives.

    Godfather.

    I'm with you! My problem is that the government pretty much fucks up anything it gets involved in, so why would anyone want an irresponsible governing body reaching into their lives...Oh, I forget, libtards cannot handle their own affairs! On the note of people being responsible for putting guns in the hands of criminals, did you guys hear that the Garland shooter's gun was a "Fast and Furious" gun??? I guess that anyone responsible for "Fast and Furious" should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I may actually support that!
    Like former pres bush?
    Absolutely, him and Obama could share a cell! The two of them have done more to destroy unity and drive this nation apart than any president since Lincoln (yes, Lincoln was an asshat too) Why do people assume that because someone supports the constitution and gun rights that they are automatically Bush fans? I am as Libertarian as they come. The world would be a better place if people just helped one another instead of depending on the government to decide how people should help one another. What program has the government not fucked up?
    The government is just as efficient as a large corporation. Having dealt with AT&T and Comcast recently I can tell you that they are much less efficient than the IRS which I deal with almost daily.
    Sorry, I don't buy it. I can vote with my dollars when it comes to private business. I can't when it comes to the government. If you don't like your experience with AT&T, try a different carrier.

    I've had plenty of battles with the IRS. I'd love to be able to choose a different revenue service to work with.
    Actually that isn't true. Comcast is a monopoly in my area if you want/need fast reliable internet service. That's a fact. There is no other provider.

    FOr my business I chose to stay with AT&T because if I went to VOIP I would have to switch my phone number and my phone number is valuable to me. Because of that I am stuck with AT&T.

    I don't need to go into the stories but I can tell you that the IRS is far superior to either of those companies from a customer service standpoint.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275
    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    mickeyrat said:

    PJPOWER said:

    I'm stubborn, I just don't like the governments deep reach into our lives.

    Godfather.

    I'm with you! My problem is that the government pretty much fucks up anything it gets involved in, so why would anyone want an irresponsible governing body reaching into their lives...Oh, I forget, libtards cannot handle their own affairs! On the note of people being responsible for putting guns in the hands of criminals, did you guys hear that the Garland shooter's gun was a "Fast and Furious" gun??? I guess that anyone responsible for "Fast and Furious" should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I may actually support that!
    Like former pres bush?
    Absolutely, him and Obama could share a cell! The two of them have done more to destroy unity and drive this nation apart than any president since Lincoln (yes, Lincoln was an asshat too) Why do people assume that because someone supports the constitution and gun rights that they are automatically Bush fans? I am as Libertarian as they come. The world would be a better place if people just helped one another instead of depending on the government to decide how people should help one another. What program has the government not fucked up?
    The government is just as efficient as a large corporation. Having dealt with AT&T and Comcast recently I can tell you that they are much less efficient than the IRS which I deal with almost daily.
    Well at least we kinda agree on something. I too feel that the government shares many similarities as large corporations; lack of empathy for people on a personal level, only agenda is to build itself...except all to often, heads of government are not there because they have done anything to help it. More so, they are there because of FOX, CNN, and other groups that promote their best interests, not the people's. How can one governing body decide what is in the best interests of millions? Sorry, do not mean to derail the gun topic. I totally support an individual's rights to own firearms :).
    By one governing body do you mean Congress? It is kind of designed to represent the millions.
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    Lincoln was an asshat?
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499

    Lincoln was an asshat?

    In my opinion, yes, an ass hat. But that's an entirely different argument. And no, it is not because I'm racist or any bullshit like that. I just feel the man could have handled things very differently.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    Southern pride!
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    mickeyrat said:

    PJPOWER said:

    I'm stubborn, I just don't like the governments deep reach into our lives.

    Godfather.

    I'm with you! My problem is that the government pretty much fucks up anything it gets involved in, so why would anyone want an irresponsible governing body reaching into their lives...Oh, I forget, libtards cannot handle their own affairs! On the note of people being responsible for putting guns in the hands of criminals, did you guys hear that the Garland shooter's gun was a "Fast and Furious" gun??? I guess that anyone responsible for "Fast and Furious" should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I may actually support that!
    Like former pres bush?
    Absolutely, him and Obama could share a cell! The two of them have done more to destroy unity and drive this nation apart than any president since Lincoln (yes, Lincoln was an asshat too) Why do people assume that because someone supports the constitution and gun rights that they are automatically Bush fans? I am as Libertarian as they come. The world would be a better place if people just helped one another instead of depending on the government to decide how people should help one another. What program has the government not fucked up?
    The government is just as efficient as a large corporation. Having dealt with AT&T and Comcast recently I can tell you that they are much less efficient than the IRS which I deal with almost daily.
    Well at least we kinda agree on something. I too feel that the government shares many similarities as large corporations; lack of empathy for people on a personal level, only agenda is to build itself...except all to often, heads of government are not there because they have done anything to help it. More so, they are there because of FOX, CNN, and other groups that promote their best interests, not the people's. How can one governing body decide what is in the best interests of millions? Sorry, do not mean to derail the gun topic. I totally support an individual's rights to own firearms :).
    By one governing body do you mean Congress? It is kind of designed to represent the millions.
    I mean a centralized governing body. Call it all of Washington DC. I find it funny how many people are so deluded that they will vote in presidential elections and not mayoral or for their own Sheriff's (governing bodies with much more impact on their daily lives). So many want to put more power in the hands of congress, the president, SCOTUS...when there is no logical way those pieces of "one centralized government" represents all demographics or cultures or morals of a diverse society. If anything, I believe in more states rights...maybe even a separation in the union since there is such a drastic split in viewpoints and ideals. Right now, if a republican is nominated, half the country feels misrepresented, and vise versa. That was not as much of an issue when there was a 500k population in the U.S. Now, you are talking way more misrepresentation on both ends when someone gets elected. The earlier poster who said that the government is a parent to the people has it right on today's day and age...but I believe it should be the opposite.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    edited August 2015
    You see how well a separation from the union worked for states the last time that happened.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499

    You see how well a separation from the union worked for states the last time that happened.

    I'd be willing to take that chance again.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    PJPOWER said:

    You see how well a separation from the union worked for states the last time that happened.

    I'd be willing to take that chance again.
    I live in the south. I wouldn't.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2015

    PJPOWER said:

    You see how well a separation from the union worked for states the last time that happened.

    I'd be willing to take that chance again.
    I live in the south. I wouldn't.
    It's probably impossible anyways, we would all be eating Chinese food by the end of it, ha. There was a scenario type article that I read a while back written by some navy big wig showing what would happen if the USA ever went to war against itself...the outcome is not good on either end. I wish I could dig it up, it was an interesting read.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697

    PJPOWER said:

    You see how well a separation from the union worked for states the last time that happened.

    I'd be willing to take that chance again.
    I live in the south. I wouldn't.
    X2
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    PJPOWER said:

    You see how well a separation from the union worked for states the last time that happened.

    I'd be willing to take that chance again.
    I don't think you've considered this very carefully, lol.
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  • PJPOWER said:

    Lincoln was an asshat?

    In my opinion, yes, an ass hat. But that's an entirely different argument. And no, it is not because I'm racist or any bullshit like that. I just feel the man could have handled things very differently.
    how so? what was he supposed to do? the confederates attacked an american fort.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • PJPOWER said:

    You see how well a separation from the union worked for states the last time that happened.

    I'd be willing to take that chance again.
    knock yourself out. let us know how it goes when your state loses the federal funding that we are paying for.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2015

    PJPOWER said:

    Lincoln was an asshat?

    In my opinion, yes, an ass hat. But that's an entirely different argument. And no, it is not because I'm racist or any bullshit like that. I just feel the man could have handled things very differently.
    how so? what was he supposed to do? the confederates attacked an american fort.
    He was not supposed to stand behind his generals that were purposely maiming women and children by aiming their canons over the confederate armies and into the villages. Pretty sure war crimes would be considered and justified if anyone used that strategy today...
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2015

    PJPOWER said:

    You see how well a separation from the union worked for states the last time that happened.

    I'd be willing to take that chance again.
    knock yourself out. let us know how it goes when your state loses the federal funding that we are paying for.
    I really do not think it would just be one state. There has already been talks of a separate Union of states. Many of those states could self sustain but they would not have to. It would not be a lone seceding state all on their own. Would be great it they were allowed a peaceful departure, but the real greedy ugly heads in Washington would not let that happen.
    I really hope it never gets to that point, but it seems to be getting closer and closer...
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2015
    Double post...
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,501
    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Lincoln was an asshat?

    In my opinion, yes, an ass hat. But that's an entirely different argument. And no, it is not because I'm racist or any bullshit like that. I just feel the man could have handled things very differently.
    how so? what was he supposed to do? the confederates attacked an american fort.
    He was not supposed to stand behind his generals that were purposely maiming women and children by aiming their canons over the confederate armies and into the villages. Pretty sure war crimes would be considered and justified if anyone used that strategy today...
    can you please enlighten me and tell me where and when you are talking about? I mean both sides definitely committed war crimes (hello andersonville?) but is the specific incident (s) you are referring to a precursor to the american civil war?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    You see how well a separation from the union worked for states the last time that happened.

    I'd be willing to take that chance again.
    knock yourself out. let us know how it goes when your state loses the federal funding that we are paying for.
    I really do not think it would just be one state. There has already been talks of a separate Union of states. Many of those states could self sustain but they would not have to. It would not be a lone seceding state all on their own. Would be great it they were allowed a peaceful departure, but the real greedy ugly heads in Washington would not let that happen.
    I really hope it never gets to that point, but it seems to be getting closer and closer...
    actually i kinda do hope it gets to that point. i am sick and tired of red state hyperbole. they want to go? then go. but before you do, kindly surrender all of our federal property. our military bases, our aircraft, our munitions.

    these red states take more in government money than they contribute in taxes. yet these states vote for people who are anti-tax, anti-government assistance, anti obamacare, anti infrastructure maintainence, etc. if they all left they would fall flat on their faces and eventually mexico would absorb them.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Lincoln was an asshat?

    In my opinion, yes, an ass hat. But that's an entirely different argument. And no, it is not because I'm racist or any bullshit like that. I just feel the man could have handled things very differently.
    how so? what was he supposed to do? the confederates attacked an american fort.
    He was not supposed to stand behind his generals that were purposely maiming women and children by aiming their canons over the confederate armies and into the villages. Pretty sure war crimes would be considered and justified if anyone used that strategy today...
    i am pretty sure south carolina was seceding once he was first elected. lincoln's election was "the last straw."
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2015
    mcgruff10 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Lincoln was an asshat?

    In my opinion, yes, an ass hat. But that's an entirely different argument. And no, it is not because I'm racist or any bullshit like that. I just feel the man could have handled things very differently.
    how so? what was he supposed to do? the confederates attacked an american fort.
    He was not supposed to stand behind his generals that were purposely maiming women and children by aiming their canons over the confederate armies and into the villages. Pretty sure war crimes would be considered and justified if anyone used that strategy today...
    can you please enlighten me and tell me where and when you are talking about? I mean both sides definitely committed war crimes (hello andersonville?) but is the specific incident (s) you are referring to a precursor to the american civil war?
    Where did I mention anything about a precursor? I swear you guys make up what you want to hear sometimes... I was asked what he should not have done and that was one thing. At that point most people were fighting merely to save their families from genocide. I am not arguing that both sides did not commit criminal acts, merely that Lincoln was among the many asshats, even though some hold him with such reverence. He assisted in the civil unrest and tried to benefit from it, much like the president today that was supposed to be the "hope and change" and "great uniter" president. It is no wonder that Obama holds Lincoln on such a pedestal.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2015
    I'm going to bed. Back on topic, I am not worried about Obama taking my guns. That right has been solidified as inalienable as much as freedom of speech. God bless the USA :)
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    I really think you need to reread your history books. Sounds like some crazy rebel stories.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,501
    edited August 2015
    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Lincoln was an asshat?

    In my opinion, yes, an ass hat. But that's an entirely different argument. And no, it is not because I'm racist or any bullshit like that. I just feel the man could have handled things very differently.
    how so? what was he supposed to do? the confederates attacked an american fort.
    He was not supposed to stand behind his generals that were purposely maiming women and children by aiming their canons over the confederate armies and into the villages. Pretty sure war crimes would be considered and justified if anyone used that strategy today...
    dude you mentioned this. you responded to a comment that said (paraphrasing) how was lincoln supposed to react after an america fort was attacked (fort sumter) if his generals purposely maimed women and children. i'm asking if the specific incident that you are talking (generals purposely maiming women and children) about was before the war (precursor) or during the war. not too hard of a question and i didn't make anything up.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    PJPOWER said:

    I'm going to bed. Back on topic, I am not worried about Obama taking my guns. That right has been solidified as inalienable as much as freedom of speech. God bless the USA :)

    Yeay!!! God and guns and god bless us to shoot and kill.
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  • callen said:

    PJPOWER said:

    I'm going to bed. Back on topic, I am not worried about Obama taking my guns. That right has been solidified as inalienable as much as freedom of speech. God bless the USA :)

    Yeay!!! God and guns and god bless us to shoot and kill.
    God loves us and hates you.
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