9 Dead in Shooting at Black Church in SC

Last-12-Exit

Trying to explain to my 14 and 10 year old daughters why this punk did this is impossible. "Daddy, why did he kill those people?" I couldn't do it without breaking down. "Because he hated black people." My daughters have never seen me cry. Not even after I crushed my hand and lost a couple fingers. "Promise me girls, don't hate. Don't judge people based on color or religion. It's just not how we are supposed to be."

Waking up this morning, I really thought I would be remembering fallen brothers of the past. Though I'm not a fan of Nikki Haley, she summed it up well when she said " the heart and soul of south Carolina has been ripped out."

Thanks for letting me vent here.

callen

Last-12-Exit said:

Trying to explain to my 14 and 10 year old daughters why this punk did this is impossible. "Daddy, why did he kill those people?" I couldn't do it without breaking down. "Because he hated black people." My daughters have never seen me cry. Not even after I crushed my hand and lost a couple fingers. "Promise me girls, don't hate. Don't judge people based on color or religion. It's just not how we are supposed to be."

Waking up this morning, I really thought I would be remembering fallen brothers of the past. Though I'm not a fan of Nikki Haley, she summed it up well when she said " the heart and soul of south Carolina has been ripped out."

Thanks for letting me vent here.

As mentioned in earlier post had lunch in cafeteria. Cnn on with this story running and 8 African American women and me. Only me. Other whites/Hispanics left. I wanted to say something so bad. It sucked and knowing dumb ass whites that feel persecuted when they have it made and are racists and contributed to this.

g under p

JimmyV said:

This is it here...

That fellow sort of has that look from the guy in the movie A ClockWork Orange.

Peace

The Waiting Trophy Man

What an evil little shit.

He hates black people, but I imagine that's who he's going to be surrounded by when he is sent to prison. It'll be like American History X when he steps out of his jail cell for the first time and looks around at his fellow cell mates.

badbrains

The Waiting Trophy Man said:

What an evil little shit.

He hates black people, but I imagine that's who he's going to be surrounded by when he is sent to prison. It'll be like American History X when he steps out of his jail cell for the first time and looks around at his fellow cell mates.

And yet he had black FB friends. This story gets weirder by the minute.

fife

Cliffy6745 said:

Obama: "At some point we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence doesn’t happen in other countries."

lets just see how he gets slammed for that line. lets just hope that one day we an all decide that this has to end.

Last-12-Exit

So many leaders in the community dead. For no reason at all. A goose creek hs track coach. A librarian. A senator. Reverends. These were people that taught, made laws, and led this community.

g under p

Last-12-Exit said:

So many leaders in the community dead. For no reason at all. A goose creek hs track coach. A librarian. A senator. Reverends. These were people that taught, made laws, and led this community.

Sad situation and there has to be more to this story. I went to HS for a year at Goose Creek, played basketball and baseball.

Peace

Last-12-Exit

g under p said:

Last-12-Exit said:

So many leaders in the community dead. For no reason at all. A goose creek hs track coach. A librarian. A senator. Reverends. These were people that taught, made laws, and led this community.

Sad situation and there has to be more to this story. I went to HS for a year at Goose Creek, played basketball and baseball.

Peace

I did not know you were a local. When were you in Berkeley county?

josevolution

These types of hate crimes will never go away ever we've been down this road countless of times nothing will get done it's like a bad movie on loop , i'm done with the " I THINK WE HAVE TO MANY GUNS IN THIS COUNTRY " i say have all your guns as many as you want as many bullets as you want but dont fucking complain when episodes like this happen this is part of the gun culture fucking own it !!!!!!!!!!

PJ_Soul

josevolution said:

These types of hate crimes will never go away ever we've been down this road countless of times nothing will get done it's like a bad movie on loop , i'm done with the " I THINK WE HAVE TO MANY GUNS IN THIS COUNTRY " i say have all your guns as many as you want as many bullets as you want but dont fucking complain when episodes like this happen this is part of the gun culture fucking own it !!!!!!!!!!

I think it's probably a lot more about the racist culture than it is the gun culture in this case....

fife

PJ_Soul said:

josevolution said:

These types of hate crimes will never go away ever we've been down this road countless of times nothing will get done it's like a bad movie on loop , i'm done with the " I THINK WE HAVE TO MANY GUNS IN THIS COUNTRY " i say have all your guns as many as you want as many bullets as you want but dont fucking complain when episodes like this happen this is part of the gun culture fucking own it !!!!!!!!!!

I think it's probably a lot more about the racist culture than it is the gun culture in this case....

i would say that it is not an either/or. any bad part of culture mixed with gun culture is going to lead to the same events always happening.

hedonist

Is it about a specific culture or about this specific man? Not sure how much more info some of you have, but I don't know of his history and haven't read too much about him aside from the main, sweeping articles (and those photos - g sort of nailed his look with the comparison to Clockwork - the eyes, the facial expression. Jesus, he looks soulless).

I can't get how this guy could sit for an hour in a church with these good people - spend time with them, listen to them - and then, simply kill them.

callen

Keep erasing what I want to say........

callen

hedonist said:

Is it about a specific culture or about this specific man? Not sure how much more info some of you have, but I don't know of his history and haven't read too much about him aside from the main, sweeping articles (and those photos - g sort of nailed his look with the comparison to Clockwork - the eyes, the facial expression. Jesus, he looks soulless).

I can't get how this guy could sit for an hour in a church with these good people - spend time with them, listen to them - and then, simply kill them.

It's about insecure weak ass whites.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

callen said:

hedonist said:

Is it about a specific culture or about this specific man? Not sure how much more info some of you have, but I don't know of his history and haven't read too much about him aside from the main, sweeping articles (and those photos - g sort of nailed his look with the comparison to Clockwork - the eyes, the facial expression. Jesus, he looks soulless).

I can't get how this guy could sit for an hour in a church with these good people - spend time with them, listen to them - and then, simply kill them.

It's about insecure weak ass whites.

A racist thing to say, Callen. None of my white friends or I could even think of doing something like this and this very act has affected us greatly.

I thought we were working at trying to eliminate broad, racial based comments.

rr165892

While listening to a story today,I listened to the author talking about horrific violence among our younger generation.A good point I had not thought of , was brought up.

The Sandy Hook shooter,The Movie theatre shooter,Both Columbine shooters,The Virginia Tech shooter all were avid video gamers(violent /bloody first person type ones).
Does immersion into that kind of world breed this kind of results with some people that may not have the moral compass of others?Is it like a gateway drug to the next step?

I found this very interesting.But I admit short of Madden,Asteriods,Galaga,Pac man I don't know much about that world.Especially the ones where you get to run around and kill people in horrible ways in great detail.
My kids weren't into the violent video games.But he brings up a point that should be looked at.

josevolution

It's all of the above we have some major issues in this country that the population needs to come to terms with , Racism still very prevalent to many god damn guns to many nut cases running around with guns >>>>>>

what dreams

Last-12-Exit said:

Trying to explain to my 14 and 10 year old daughters why this punk did this is impossible. "Daddy, why did he kill those people?" I couldn't do it without breaking down. "Because he hated black people." My daughters have never seen me cry. Not even after I crushed my hand and lost a couple fingers. "Promise me girls, don't hate. Don't judge people based on color or religion. It's just not how we are supposed to be."

Waking up this morning, I really thought I would be remembering fallen brothers of the past. Though I'm not a fan of Nikki Haley, she summed it up well when she said " the heart and soul of south Carolina has been ripped out."

Thanks for letting me vent here.

Last-12, I too have been crying a lot today. After college in the mid-90s, I moved to Charleston and spent the best five years of my life there before moving away. I return to Chas several times a year for 20 years now to visit my friends who are as close to me as family. I have a trip planned next week, in fact. I've been following my friends' posts and the P&C all day, and it's just been heart-wrenching.
I was a teacher in the public school system. I know everything you mean about the deep-seated racism that exists among so many. Ultimately I left that racist system because I felt so useless and powerless to change anything and therefore part of the problem. Of all the career decisions I've ever made, it's the only one I regret on a morally conscious level. The day I announced I was leaving, one of my most challenging students said to me, "Why do all the good ones leave us?" Her words haunt me all these years later and tug me back to wanting to return -- that and Folly Beach, which is a whole other story :-).
With all that said, I am also heartened by the outpouring of support from everybody in the city. There are the typical jackasses commenting in the local rags, but overwhelmingly people are sending their prayers. Mock religion all we want, but southerners do hold their God dear to them and do not hold back from expressing their prayers in dark times. It will be the collective faith of Charleston residents that ultimately does heal them. If that's what it takes, I'm okay with that.

what dreams

fife said:

PJ_Soul said:

josevolution said:

These types of hate crimes will never go away ever we've been down this road countless of times nothing will get done it's like a bad movie on loop , i'm done with the " I THINK WE HAVE TO MANY GUNS IN THIS COUNTRY " i say have all your guns as many as you want as many bullets as you want but dont fucking complain when episodes like this happen this is part of the gun culture fucking own it !!!!!!!!!!

I think it's probably a lot more about the racist culture than it is the gun culture in this case....

i would say that it is not an either/or. any bad part of culture mixed with gun culture is going to lead to the same events always happening.

You don't know gun culture until you have spent time in the Deep South. And the same folks who love their guns hate blacks just as much.
On the local newspaper's FB page, the open carry folks are saying that if only the blacks had brought their guns to church, they would be alive. Yes, I said open carry. These people bypass concealed carry.