So how did you get your passport?? That's ridiculous btw. How do children get their passports? I know there is a way that people without a driver's license can get a passport, but obviously it's not easy down there (it's easy in Canada). They better do something about that. The goal is to get people out of private cars, and more and more millennials are doing just that (especially as cars/gas/insurance/payments get more and more pricey). Attaching things like voting and leaving the country to driver's licenses specifically is ridiculous.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
That's exactly the point I'm trying to make. The deck is stacked against most people here. I have no idea what advanced polls are. The only thing they have here is election day, definitely not few weeks. The one here is like 8-6 or 9-7. Something like that, it changes so I don't always know. There's also a weird thing about where you can vote. I don't know exactly how it works but it's something like you can only vote in your special place, so they do have absentee ballots but it's not for regular people its special circumstances. And you know you have to be an actual citizen to even be allowed vote. Without any felony convictions. They can talk all the shit they want about "Get out the vote" but they make it very clear exactly who they want voting by making it incredibly difficult for certain groups to even go cast their vote. PJ Soul don't believe me, and that's cool I respect that. It's a difficult thing to understand if you haven't lived in it or experienced it, so I don't blame her.
I read some good news though. In the observer they said that the nys board of elections said that BS can participate in the Dem primaries just that for him to be the candidate he needs Patterson's permission which is weird cuz i thought he was disgraced and hiding somewhere with his tail between his legs. But whatevs.
If there is no advance polling or absentee voting (except in limited circumstances), then I agree that the process of voting is being made unnecessarily onerous, possibly by design.
Advanced polling is the only way to go. It's just so damn civilized.
If they don't have it in the states that's a shame.
There is early voting in the US. Perhaps not in every municipality.
Well there you go. No more excuses.
if you register (by mail) you can vote with an absentee ballot, also by mail.
It varies by state in the US. For example, Washington, Oregon and Colorado no longer have polling placing. All voting is done by mail. In Washington we receive our ballots and a voters' guide well ahead of election day. We can vote and mail in the ballot at any point up to election day. So there is no longer any excuse for not being able to get to the polls. I personally liked when people had to jump through a few hoops to get registered, and then to go to the polls, since I figured that weeded out the apathetic, who I don't care to have voting anyway. Now you can automatically be registered to vote when you get your drivers license, and you get your ballot in the mail. Most hurdles have been completely removed. If there are remaining hurdles to vote, they must be pretty low. There really isn't any excuse for not voting in our state.
Interesting, thanks. I share your feeling about apathetic voters!
YOu are automatically registered when you renew your driver's license? That's kind of weird. Here you're automatically registered when you do your taxes, which makes a lot more sense IMO. Everyone has to file taxes, but not everyone has a driver's license (I know there must be a way for those people, but that just doesn't seem as efficient). For those who don't file their taxes before an election, you can just register at the polling station.
Fun fact: I had tried to get my passport in 2008 and couldn't because I didn't have a driver's license. I told the lady at the post office how ridiculous that was cuz I had a non-driver's id and she can't possibly expect me to believe that only American citizens who can drive are allowed to leave the country. She told me to take it up with the state department if I had a problem with it. I shit you not. I spent an hour on the phone with the state department and got nowhere. It has been speculated that that's why I always get "additional screening" at the airport, but I dunno about that.
They have a government issued ID card from the DMV I think so that people who dont drive have this covered. (Of course you went through this ordeal (which seems really stupid) and I am just going from memory.)
Was curious so just looked it up and it appears (again, just what I found on their site) that there are a few other ways to get them currently -- if you are child I guess it is your birth certificate?
4. Present Identification
When applying for a U.S. passport in person, acceptable identification with photograph must be presented at the time of application. Primary Identification (One of the following):
Previously-issued, undamaged U.S. passport Certificate of Naturalization or Citizenship Fully-valid Driver's License Current Government ID (city, state or federal) Current Military ID (military and dependents)
That's the thing. You see how it specifically says Valid Driver's License? That is why they said my Non-Driver ID (from the DMV) was not adequate. I'm not sure about the process for babies but I do know that both parents have to be there in person. Don't ask me what happens to single parents cuz I do not know.
It was a long time ago and my memory is fuzzy. Basically, since I was born here and didn't serve in the Military or work for the government or know how to drive and since my parents never got me a passport as a child, I had to prove my identity extra hard. I was trying to get a passport because I had wanted to go to Canada in the summer of 2009 and that was the year they were implementing the "birth certificate ain't enough" rule so I tried to get a passport but got denied the first time and then had to get extra screening the second time so my trip got cancelled. I just checked it and it was issued in Sept 2009. I remember when I got the paperwork from them I showed it to a friend who had visitors from Europe staying with him who flat out could not believe what they were seeing. It was hilarious in a not really sort of way.
I had to convince the manager of the post office in Brooklyn to send in the application with a lot of begging and pleading and promising not to come back and bitch at him when they deny me and I dont get my fee refunded because I had only a non-driver's ID and none of the things on that list above. He agreed to send it and a few weeks later I got the letter in the mail saying that my identification was inadequate and unless I can come up with supplemental crap I'm assed out. There was a form with a bunch of idiotic questions, including, I shit you not "where were you baptised". I had to pay $30 to get my medical records from hospitalization in 2007 and a whole bunch of other shit I don't remember and I sent them a fed ex envelope so full it was bursting.
To this day I think they just gave it to me cuz they couldn't be bothered to go through everything I sent.
Look I found it: This is the letter This is the list of shit you could send in this is my favorite question on the form
So in case you can't read my blurry photo the first options are Driver's License, school yearbook, us passport, or articles from a newspaper with your name and photo. I did not have any of those things, not a single one. The rest I think is legible. I sent them copies of my ID, my Learner's Permit, my College ID card, my social security card, my health insurance cards going back several years, my 36 page medical records from a surgery, and the copy of my Communion Certificate cuz I'm a giant asshole. The rest of the form is Employment History, Family History (name, place of birth, date of birth, citizen?) address history, school history. I threw all that shit out and just kept the form and the page with my ID copies. But I had the rest of the stuff checked off lol.
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
Saw a news quote go up on the screen at my bank today. I thought for sure it a Bernie Sanders statement but then they showed Hillary. So she steals from a good source... and why not? But I'm for supporting the source. Bernie Sanders has been solid and consistent for quite a while now. I'm definitely going with Sanders.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I was 82% Rubio although I scored +50% on many Dems as well. My answers on these things are all over the board, surprised at the outcome...I dont know much about Rubio other than Senator from FL associated with Tea Party. I didnt spend the time to dig into why it would match me with this, will need to do that as we get closer. HillBilly was the top Dem and I strongly dislike her. A good reminder to focus on the stances people have and not their personalities. Bernie had some good numbers too...
Not sure I understand how I could score well over 50% agreement with many Dems and still slot the highest with an extreme Right position....but I guess that is because my answers vary so much depending on the issues.
I strongly don't personally like a lot of the Republicans, but surprisingly I agree with them on a majority of issues. Rubio was my # 3 and Christie was my #5 and most Republicans were middle of the road.
Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Hillary will win the nomination and the #1 reason put forth on why any of us should vote for her will be that the opposition is worse. The Democratic Party machine installs a candidate very few actually want and then gives that as the reason to support her?
Fuck. That. Noise.
Woke up this morning and read teachers are furious because while Bernie is gaining support, their union has gone and tossed an early endorsement to Hillary.
Never before have I seen a Democratic Primary where it has felt more like the fix is in. The decision has been made. Hillary is the one, your vote be damned.
And she'll march us right into four more years of Bush.
The fix is always in. I super strongly dislike Billary. HillBilly, whatever you want to call the partnership. Hated how he tried to let her run some things when he was the Pres and you know she will return the favor. Don't know how this ever gets fixed.
I don't believe the fix is always in. At least not on the Dem side. It wasn't in for Obama in 2008, or Kerry in 2004. Neither was the presumptive favorite going in. Gore was the sitting VP in 2000 so the situation was different. Bill Clinton won a wide open race in 1992. Dukakis the same in 1988.
Hillary will win the nomination and the #1 reason put forth on why any of us should vote for her will be that the opposition is worse. The Democratic Party machine installs a candidate very few actually want and then gives that as the reason to support her?
Fuck. That. Noise.
Woke up this morning and read teachers are furious because while Bernie is gaining support, their union has gone and tossed an early endorsement to Hillary.
Never before have I seen a Democratic Primary where it has felt more like the fix is in. The decision has been made. Hillary is the one, your vote be damned.
And she'll march us right into four more years of Bush.
If it comes down to Hillary vs any of the Republican candidates in the running, I'm throwing my vote to a third party. At that point it won't matter anyway.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Hillary will win the nomination and the #1 reason put forth on why any of us should vote for her will be that the opposition is worse. The Democratic Party machine installs a candidate very few actually want and then gives that as the reason to support her?
Fuck. That. Noise.
Woke up this morning and read teachers are furious because while Bernie is gaining support, their union has gone and tossed an early endorsement to Hillary.
Never before have I seen a Democratic Primary where it has felt more like the fix is in. The decision has been made. Hillary is the one, your vote be damned.
And she'll march us right into four more years of Bush.
Question you think Bernie beats republican? Not sarcasm?
Hillary will win the nomination and the #1 reason put forth on why any of us should vote for her will be that the opposition is worse. The Democratic Party machine installs a candidate very few actually want and then gives that as the reason to support her?
Fuck. That. Noise.
Woke up this morning and read teachers are furious because while Bernie is gaining support, their union has gone and tossed an early endorsement to Hillary.
Never before have I seen a Democratic Primary where it has felt more like the fix is in. The decision has been made. Hillary is the one, your vote be damned.
And she'll march us right into four more years of Bush.
If it comes down to Hillary vs any of the Republican candidates in the running, I'm throwing my vote to a third party. At that point it won't matter anyway.
Really? Another fucking Scalia wont keep you from voting dem?
Hillary will win the nomination and the #1 reason put forth on why any of us should vote for her will be that the opposition is worse. The Democratic Party machine installs a candidate very few actually want and then gives that as the reason to support her?
Fuck. That. Noise.
Woke up this morning and read teachers are furious because while Bernie is gaining support, their union has gone and tossed an early endorsement to Hillary.
Never before have I seen a Democratic Primary where it has felt more like the fix is in. The decision has been made. Hillary is the one, your vote be damned.
And she'll march us right into four more years of Bush.
Question you think Bernie beats republican? Not sarcasm?
No, I don't. Any Democrat winning in 2016 will be difficult because parties do not tend to win the White House more than twice in a row. Two terms for Reagan and one for George H.W. Bush is the only time it has happened in my (almost) 40 years. Before that you have to go back to FDR and Harry Truman to find an example. It just doesn't happen often.
I think Bernie is gaining support because of the alternative he is offering. I live in Massachusetts and I know scores of Democrats...but I don't many people who are excited by the prospect of Hillary. My sense is that doesn't matter. The decision is coming top-down this time.
Hillary will win the nomination and the #1 reason put forth on why any of us should vote for her will be that the opposition is worse. The Democratic Party machine installs a candidate very few actually want and then gives that as the reason to support her?
Fuck. That. Noise.
Woke up this morning and read teachers are furious because while Bernie is gaining support, their union has gone and tossed an early endorsement to Hillary.
Never before have I seen a Democratic Primary where it has felt more like the fix is in. The decision has been made. Hillary is the one, your vote be damned.
And she'll march us right into four more years of Bush.
Question you think Bernie beats republican? Not sarcasm?
No, I don't. Any Democrat winning in 2016 will be difficult because parties do not tend to win the White House more than twice in a row. Two terms for Reagan and one for George H.W. Bush is the only time it has happened in my (almost) 40 years. Just doesn't happen often.
I think Bernie is gaining support because of the alternative he is offering. I live in Massachusetts and I know scores of Democrats...but I don't many people who are excited by the prospect of Hillary. My sense is that doesn't matter. The decision is coming top-down this time.
I think present time is different. Urban centers, the young and minorities have a lot of say now. The Democrats continue to know how to speak to them enough to get their vote in a National election. These votes have swung states like Florida, Ohio, Pennsy, etc maybe permanently and are even hitting somewhat conservative states and making them close like NC.
It was discussed the last 2 times, but R's need to self-assess and change a bit if they want the White House. It seems like there is/was momentum to do so, then the tea partiers seem to win out. I know so many Rs who are completely disenfranchised. Let go of the gay thing. You lost. Lose the Christianity thing at the front line. Lose the association (and seeming obsession) with an active military. If it were real fiscal conservatism we were talking about (and not just overtly for the wealthy), I would/could get behind it.
Hillary will win the nomination and the #1 reason put forth on why any of us should vote for her will be that the opposition is worse. The Democratic Party machine installs a candidate very few actually want and then gives that as the reason to support her?
Fuck. That. Noise.
Woke up this morning and read teachers are furious because while Bernie is gaining support, their union has gone and tossed an early endorsement to Hillary.
Never before have I seen a Democratic Primary where it has felt more like the fix is in. The decision has been made. Hillary is the one, your vote be damned.
And she'll march us right into four more years of Bush.
Question you think Bernie beats republican? Not sarcasm?
No, I don't. Any Democrat winning in 2016 will be difficult because parties do not tend to win the White House more than twice in a row. Two terms for Reagan and one for George H.W. Bush is the only time it has happened in my (almost) 40 years. Just doesn't happen often.
I think Bernie is gaining support because of the alternative he is offering. I live in Massachusetts and I know scores of Democrats...but I don't many people who are excited by the prospect of Hillary. My sense is that doesn't matter. The decision is coming top-down this time.
I think present time is different. Urban centers, the young and minorities have a lot of say now. The Democrats continue to know how to speak to them enough to get their vote in a National election. These votes have swung states like Florida, Ohio, Pennsy, etc maybe permanently and are even hitting somewhat conservative states and making them close like NC.
It was discussed the last 2 times, but R's need to self-assess and change a bit if they want the White House. It seems like there is/was momentum to do so, then the tea partiers seem to win out. I know so many Rs who are completely disenfranchised. Let go of the gay thing. You lost. Lose the Christianity thing at the front line. Lose the association (and seeming obsession) with an active military. If it were real fiscal conservatism we were talking about (and not just overtly for the wealthy), I would/could get behind it.
I live in NC and I agree that we have been moving more toward the left. If you take out Charlotte then we would be a def blue state. I don't think Bernie can win here at this point but it just depends on how much the media gets behind him. We elected a total dick Repub Governor and he has just about destroyed our education system. all the teachers here hate him. Once the baby boomers are gone then this state will def swing toward the Dems. but that is probably the cause with most states.
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
Hillary will win the nomination and the #1 reason put forth on why any of us should vote for her will be that the opposition is worse. The Democratic Party machine installs a candidate very few actually want and then gives that as the reason to support her?
Fuck. That. Noise.
Woke up this morning and read teachers are furious because while Bernie is gaining support, their union has gone and tossed an early endorsement to Hillary.
Never before have I seen a Democratic Primary where it has felt more like the fix is in. The decision has been made. Hillary is the one, your vote be damned.
And she'll march us right into four more years of Bush.
If it comes down to Hillary vs any of the Republican candidates in the running, I'm throwing my vote to a third party. At that point it won't matter anyway.
Really? Another fucking Scalia wont keep you from voting dem?
Really too early to say, Callen. Right now that's my knee jerk reaction. Just not a Hillary fan. Besides, Bernie's gonna take it!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Everyone here, go volunteer for Bernie! Once people see him in any type of debate in this process, the numbers will sway our way!
False. I asked a politically involved friend about Bernie & was told to watch interviews with him. That on paper he seems great but when you actually see him and see how he speaks that he's actually an asshole who talks down to people. I haven't actually watched any videos so for now I'm not in agreement with that opinion, I just wanted to point out that there's people who don't like the guy even if they agree with his politics
Everyone here, go volunteer for Bernie! Once people see him in any type of debate in this process, the numbers will sway our way!
False. I asked a politically involved friend about Bernie & was told to watch interviews with him. That on paper he seems great but when you actually see him and see how he speaks that he's actually an asshole who talks down to people. I haven't actually watched any videos so for now I'm not in agreement with that opinion, I just wanted to point out that there's people who don't like the guy even if they agree with his politics
Everyone here, go volunteer for Bernie! Once people see him in any type of debate in this process, the numbers will sway our way!
False. I asked a politically involved friend about Bernie & was told to watch interviews with him. That on paper he seems great but when you actually see him and see how he speaks that he's actually an asshole who talks down to people. I haven't actually watched any videos so for now I'm not in agreement with that opinion, I just wanted to point out that there's people who don't like the guy even if they agree with his politics
Sounds like the kind of guy I personally would have a bit of a time befriending. But I wonder, Ident, how much that matters? I like the idea of having a friendly and compassionate president but on the other hand, I wonder if what we need most now is someone with good ideas and tenacity and hope any harsher aspects of the man's character doesn't get in the way. In looking for the right person for the job, I would have to choose a person who takes action in a direction that makes sense to me over someone with a more compassionate temperament who isn't as likely to get things done. Now if Sanders is that guy and shows a compassionate side too, that would be even better. We'll see, or not.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Everyone here, go volunteer for Bernie! Once people see him in any type of debate in this process, the numbers will sway our way!
False. I asked a politically involved friend about Bernie & was told to watch interviews with him. That on paper he seems great but when you actually see him and see how he speaks that he's actually an asshole who talks down to people. I haven't actually watched any videos so for now I'm not in agreement with that opinion, I just wanted to point out that there's people who don't like the guy even if they agree with his politics
I've seen a bunch of appearances on several shows and never get that impression that he talks down to people unlike some of the candidates from the GOP Trump & Christie
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That's ridiculous btw. How do children get their passports? I know there is a way that people without a driver's license can get a passport, but obviously it's not easy down there (it's easy in Canada). They better do something about that. The goal is to get people out of private cars, and more and more millennials are doing just that (especially as cars/gas/insurance/payments get more and more pricey). Attaching things like voting and leaving the country to driver's licenses specifically is ridiculous.
Was curious so just looked it up and it appears (again, just what I found on their site) that there are a few other ways to get them currently -- if you are child I guess it is your birth certificate?
4. Present Identification
When applying for a U.S. passport in person, acceptable identification with photograph must be presented at the time of application.
Primary Identification (One of the following):
Previously-issued, undamaged U.S. passport
Certificate of Naturalization or Citizenship
Fully-valid Driver's License
Current Government ID (city, state or federal)
Current Military ID (military and dependents)
It was a long time ago and my memory is fuzzy. Basically, since I was born here and didn't serve in the Military or work for the government or know how to drive and since my parents never got me a passport as a child, I had to prove my identity extra hard. I was trying to get a passport because I had wanted to go to Canada in the summer of 2009 and that was the year they were implementing the "birth certificate ain't enough" rule so I tried to get a passport but got denied the first time and then had to get extra screening the second time so my trip got cancelled. I just checked it and it was issued in Sept 2009. I remember when I got the paperwork from them I showed it to a friend who had visitors from Europe staying with him who flat out could not believe what they were seeing. It was hilarious in a not really sort of way.
I had to convince the manager of the post office in Brooklyn to send in the application with a lot of begging and pleading and promising not to come back and bitch at him when they deny me and I dont get my fee refunded because I had only a non-driver's ID and none of the things on that list above. He agreed to send it and a few weeks later I got the letter in the mail saying that my identification was inadequate and unless I can come up with supplemental crap I'm assed out. There was a form with a bunch of idiotic questions, including, I shit you not "where were you baptised". I had to pay $30 to get my medical records from hospitalization in 2007 and a whole bunch of other shit I don't remember and I sent them a fed ex envelope so full it was bursting.
To this day I think they just gave it to me cuz they couldn't be bothered to go through everything I sent.
Look I found it:
This is the letter
This is the list of shit you could send in
this is my favorite question on the form
So in case you can't read my blurry photo the first options are Driver's License, school yearbook, us passport, or articles from a newspaper with your name and photo. I did not have any of those things, not a single one.
The rest I think is legible. I sent them copies of my ID, my Learner's Permit, my College ID card, my social security card, my health insurance cards going back several years, my 36 page medical records from a surgery, and the copy of my Communion Certificate cuz I'm a giant asshole.
The rest of the form is Employment History, Family History (name, place of birth, date of birth, citizen?) address history, school history. I threw all that shit out and just kept the form and the page with my ID copies. But I had the rest of the stuff checked off lol.
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89% with Hillary
I am voting for Bernie so that quiz is pretty accurate
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1995- New Orleans, LA : New Orleans, LA
1996- Charleston, SC
1998- Atlanta, GA: Birmingham, AL: Greenville, SC: Knoxville, TN
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
2017- ED VED- Louisville, KY
2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2
2020- Nashville, TN
2022- Smashville
2023- Austin, TX x2
2024- Baltimore
she came out and said she will be a bigger friend to israel than obama.
for that reason alone, i will not giver her money and i will not vote for her.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Fuck. That. Noise.
Woke up this morning and read teachers are furious because while Bernie is gaining support, their union has gone and tossed an early endorsement to Hillary.
Never before have I seen a Democratic Primary where it has felt more like the fix is in. The decision has been made. Hillary is the one, your vote be damned.
And she'll march us right into four more years of Bush.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I super strongly dislike Billary. HillBilly, whatever you want to call the partnership. Hated how he tried to let her run some things when he was the Pres and you know she will return the favor.
Don't know how this ever gets fixed.
No, this one feels different.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I think Bernie is gaining support because of the alternative he is offering. I live in Massachusetts and I know scores of Democrats...but I don't many people who are excited by the prospect of Hillary. My sense is that doesn't matter. The decision is coming top-down this time.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
It was discussed the last 2 times, but R's need to self-assess and change a bit if they want the White House. It seems like there is/was momentum to do so, then the tea partiers seem to win out. I know so many Rs who are completely disenfranchised. Let go of the gay thing. You lost. Lose the Christianity thing at the front line. Lose the association (and seeming obsession) with an active military. If it were real fiscal conservatism we were talking about (and not just overtly for the wealthy), I would/could get behind it.
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1995- New Orleans, LA : New Orleans, LA
1996- Charleston, SC
1998- Atlanta, GA: Birmingham, AL: Greenville, SC: Knoxville, TN
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
2017- ED VED- Louisville, KY
2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2
2020- Nashville, TN
2022- Smashville
2023- Austin, TX x2
2024- Baltimore
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Hillary has got to be worried. I can't imagine her debating Sanders.