Bernie Sanders campaign kickoff.

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

I can't stand attack ads (and stupid lying memes). I wish parties would just advertise what they will do.

Totally agree, especially about the stupid lying memes- it's one of the things that makes the campaign process tedious, irritating and frustrating. I hope Bernie's campaign team manages to avoid that kind of thing.

PJ_Soul

Unfortunately, it's usually just stupid regular citizens with a computer who create the ridiculous memes, so we can't blame those on the campaigns. But the attack ads that the campaigns do put out absolutely encourage that kind of thing, and provide a lot of the content as well. Very frustrating. Politics are an absolute joke. A mockery of everything, really. Our countries, our citizens, our so-called democratic systems, our government, our economy, everything. I'm feeling so jaded.

brianlux

Wow!! Would this be great or what?!

http://samuel-warde.com/2015/07/elizabeth-warren-wont-rule-out-joining-bernie-sanders/

callen

brianlux said:

Wow!! Would this be great or what?!

http://samuel-warde.com/2015/07/elizabeth-warren-wont-rule-out-joining-bernie-sanders/

Hmmmmmm. Interesting.

RiotZact

Latest national poll says Hillary 47% Bernie 29%. That's some major progress. It also says Biden 14% though so it's hard to say where those votes go if he doesn't run.

ldent42

I saw a thing on tumblr that says if you are a voter in Fl or NY you need to be a registered democrat by Oct 5th 2015 to vote for Bernie in the primary. I don't know if it's true or not, but if it is, that's kinda messed up.

RiotZact

ldent42 said:

I saw a thing on tumblr that says if you are a voter in Fl or NY you need to be a registered democrat by Oct 5th 2015 to vote for Bernie in the primary. I don't know if it's true or not, but if it is, that's kinda messed up.

They are doing everything they can to keep him from winning, same with there only being six debates, SIX! That's so low compared to elections past, but the establishment democrats know that more debates most likely means more votes for Bernie. Same thing here, deadline for registering equals less votes for Bernie.

ldent42

I'm not really up to speed on electoral maths but as far as I know in presidential elections NY is pretty much a lock for the dems, in this particular case Bernie poses a real treat to Hilary and has a chance of winning the NY electoral votes right?
So here's my question. If a legal registered voter in the city of New York is registered as an independent, they are not allowed to vote for Bernie unless they declare themselves democrats by October?

RiotZact

ldent42 said:

I'm not really up to speed on electoral maths but as far as I know in presidential elections NY is pretty much a lock for the dems, in this particular case Bernie poses a real treat to Hilary and has a chance of winning the NY electoral votes right?
So here's my question. If a legal registered voter in the city of New York is registered as an independent, they are not allowed to vote for Bernie unless they declare themselves democrats by October?

Based on a few things I've read that seems to be the case, though I must admit I have no idea if this is something that happens every election or not, I just know Bernie supporters are pushing very hard to get people to switch in NY before the deadline. I'm from PA and I switched a couple months ago, going to have to check and see if there's a deadline here.

Edit: I just looked and from what I can tell here in PA you just have to switch before the registration deadline which is 30 days before hand.

What's extra fucked up about the NY deadline is that's before there will even be a single debate. Even if this is common practice for NY I'm sure there's no coincidence that the first debate is just days after that deadline, and over two months after the first republican debate.

Dirtie_Frank

I have a few questions for Bernie supporters. I remember when McCain was running I think 8 years ago, some people brought up his age. Do you think this will be a detractor?

lolobugg

Dirtie_Frank said:

I have a few questions for Bernie supporters. I remember when McCain was running I think 8 years ago, some people brought up his age. Do you think this will be a detractor?

No. I think the fact that McCain was the biggest flip-flopper in the 8 years between his runs is what turned off most people.

MayDay10

I think the fact McCain's running mate was Sarah fucking Palin had a lot to do with it.

Now if Bernie decides to make Ben Affleck his VP choice... then yeah, I would think his age should be considered. If he is responsible enough to run with a competent person... which I believe he takes the responsibility seriously enough... then his age isn't as important.

Dirtie_Frank

May Day I heard talk of his age prior to the Jackass being selected. That made his VP selection even more important, well he messed that shit up.

callen

MayDay10 said:

I think the fact McCain's running mate was Sarah fucking Palin had a lot to do with it.

Now if Bernie decides to make Ben Affleck his VP choice... then yeah, I would think his age should be considered. If he is responsible enough to run with a competent person... which I believe he takes the responsibility seriously enough... then his age isn't as important.

Tell me Affleck isn't really being considered. Just joking right?

Problem with Bernie will be getting minority vote out.

Asterisk on the Street

Second New Hampshire poll shows Bernie Sanders is still ahead of Hillary Clinton by 7 points.

publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/08/ppps-new-new-hampshire-poll-finds-donald-trump-in-the-strongest-position-of-any-poll-weve-done-anywhere-since-he-entered-the.html

"There's been a big shift on the Democratic side since April as well. Bernie Sanders now leads the field in the state with 42% to 35% for Hillary Clinton, 6% for Jim Webb, 4% for Martin O'Malley, 2% for Lincoln Chafee, and 1% for Lawrence Lessig.

The main story in New Hampshire is how universally popular Sanders has become with the Democratic electorate. 78% see him favorably to only 12% with a negative opinion- that makes him easily the most popular candidate on either side with their party's voters. Meanwhile Hillary Clinton's favorability numbers have taken a little bit of a hit- she was at 78/10 with Democratic primary voters in April, but now she's at a 63/25 spread.

The ideological divide is actually not that stark on the Democratic side. Sanders is ahead with 'somewhat liberal' voters (45/32), 'very liberal' ones (46/37), and moderates (40/36) alike. And although there is certainly a gender gap Sanders is ahead with both men (44/30) and women (41/38). But the real big divide we see is along generational lines- Clinton is ahead 51/34 with seniors, but Sanders has a 45/29 advantage with everyone under the age of 65."

brianlux

^^^ Looks good so far, Asterisk!

As far as Bernie's age goes I very much don't see that as a problem. Jerry Brown was elected governor of California (again) when he was 73, the same age as Sanders. Not trying to make any comparisons other than the kind of good energy both guys have. Sander's has plenty of fire in the belly, a will to work hard attitude, seems to keep himself in pretty good shape, has a sharp mind and has good focus. Not to mention good ideas. I hope he gets a fair shake this election. Given a fair chance, I think he's got a good shot at it.

RiotZact

Within 7 points in Iowa!

brianlux

RiotZact said:

Within 7 points in Iowa!

Yes!

MayDay10

Ahead in Iowa

Jason P

Bernie will be 75 years old when the election is held.