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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,661
    Drowned Out said:

    Jason P said:

    Drowned Out said:

    This feels so much like the Ron Paul / Dennis Kucinich early primary run before 08.
    False hope.
    I think that election cycle is what broke me politically, turned me into a cynic. Hope I'm wrong.

    The Democratic Party will do all they can to crush Bernie.
    Totally agree....and the GOP will try to crush Trump. Just like Paul/Kucinich.
    Which makes all of this seem like a sideshow - placates people by making them think their concerns are being heard. Then the rug gets pulled from under these 'men of the people', and you are left with the establishment choices - the people who have been able to dodge the tough topics because all of the people who push for reform spent months proselytizing their champion.
    It does definitely feel futile. There is no way in hell that Sanders could even win this, so it is indeed false hope for those who actually want a man like that in power. A man like that - a good man - will NEVER have power in the USA.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    edited August 2015
    So what is Bernies solutions to the dinner table issues? I admit I haven't done much by way of researching his positions,but I know he is left of the typical left?
    Why would I,an Independant be interested in his platform? Someone please enlighten me on why I should pay attention to this guy?(I'm not being a smart ass)
    I don't just vote D or R I base my ballot on the person and their stance on issues.If he has any chance it's with the support of non partisans like me.
    Post edited by rr165892 on
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    rr165892 said:

    So what is Bernies solutions to the dinner table issues? I admit I haven't done much by way of researching his positions,but I know he is left of the typical left?
    Why would I,an Independant be interested in his platform? Someone please enlighten me on why I should pay attention to this guy?(I'm not being a smart ass)
    I don't just vote D or R I base my ballot on the person and their stance on issues.If he has any chance it's with the support of non partisans like me.

    He'll let you smoke pot! Checkmate!!!

    Am in same boat haven't really checked him out. Can go to his website and read his thoughts on various issues. Pretty socialist and you being a small business owner may
    Take exception and see your employment costs go up. But toke away. HA.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    rr165892 said:

    So what is Bernies solutions to the dinner table issues? I admit I haven't done much by way of researching his positions,but I know he is left of the typical left?
    Why would I,an Independant be interested in his platform? Someone please enlighten me on why I should pay attention to this guy?(I'm not being a smart ass)
    I don't just vote D or R I base my ballot on the person and their stance on issues.If he has any chance it's with the support of non partisans like me.

    He is staunchly opposed to the general state of corporate America and it's influence on the government.
    He is for increasing taxes on the highest earners to strengthen the middle class.
    Obviously pro-union.
    He pushes hard for student loan reform and cutting the cost of education.
    So yeah...
    He focuses mostly on the economy and ways to grow the middle class by raising taxes on the very wealthy and creating jobs.

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,031
    it is so refreshing to watch a candidate have a positive and direct message. he is complimentary to his opponent.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqmwta6qFBc
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • RiotZact
    RiotZact Posts: 6,292
    Jimmy Fallon opened his monologue tonight talking about Bernie for a few minutes, about his passing of Hillary in the NH polls. Word is really starting to get out to the mainstream now.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,661
    rr165892 said:

    So what is Bernies solutions to the dinner table issues? I admit I haven't done much by way of researching his positions,but I know he is left of the typical left?
    Why would I,an Independant be interested in his platform? Someone please enlighten me on why I should pay attention to this guy?(I'm not being a smart ass)
    I don't just vote D or R I base my ballot on the person and their stance on issues.If he has any chance it's with the support of non partisans like me.

    Hears the link to the page on Sanders site that gives a run-down on how Sanders stands on issues.

    https://berniesanders.com/issues/

    I like his stance on economy, what he calls "real family values" (one of the sections on that link page I like the most), racial justice, getting big money out of politics (yes, thank you!) and creating decent paying jobs (we all like that). He's a little weak on environment for my tastes because to me the environment would come first on a list of major issues. (The answer is, "Yes, I really do believe that," :wink: ). What's there is great but it isn't broad enough in scope IMHO. In a world that cannot support a healthy and wide variety of life (including us), there are no economic, racial, social or political issues. Hopefully he will come out stronger on environment.
    RiotZact said:

    Jimmy Fallon opened his monologue tonight talking about Bernie for a few minutes, about his passing of Hillary in the NH polls. Word is really starting to get out to the mainstream now.

    Great!

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    I will look into it Bri,thanks
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,289
    If he identifies himself as a socialist, he will never get my vote. I like toilet paper, comrade.
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • RiotZact
    RiotZact Posts: 6,292
    Jason P said:

    If he identifies himself as a socialist, he will never get my vote. I like toilet paper, comrade.

    Democratic socialist.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Jason P said:

    If he identifies himself as a socialist, he will never get my vote. I like toilet paper, comrade.

    Methinks you be joking, but it reminds me of how sad/scary it is that propaganda from more than 50 years who is still doing it's job effectively.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,031
    the people who fear the word socialist or use it as a slur need only look in a dictionary.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    the people who fear the word socialist or use it as a slur need only look in a dictionary.

    Or a Bible!
    Jesus certainly wasn't a free-market capitalist.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,031
    rgambs said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    the people who fear the word socialist or use it as a slur need only look in a dictionary.

    Or a Bible!
    Jesus certainly wasn't a free-market capitalist.
    nor was he a conservative. he would hate today's republican party.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    rgambs said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    the people who fear the word socialist or use it as a slur need only look in a dictionary.

    Or a Bible!
    Jesus certainly wasn't a free-market capitalist.
    nor was he a conservative. he would hate today's republican party.
    He would whip them fuckers out of the Capitol lol
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,661
    rgambs said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    rgambs said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    the people who fear the word socialist or use it as a slur need only look in a dictionary.

    Or a Bible!
    Jesus certainly wasn't a free-market capitalist.
    nor was he a conservative. he would hate today's republican party.
    He would whip them fuckers out of the Capitol lol
    I love waking up to this kind of repartee. Show show guys!

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,661
    edited August 2015
    RiotZact said:

    Jason P said:

    If he identifies himself as a socialist, he will never get my vote. I like toilet paper, comrade.

    Democratic socialist.
    Which is a LOT different than Socialist.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • RiotZact
    RiotZact Posts: 6,292
    PJ_Soul said:

    RiotZact said:

    Jason P said:

    If he identifies himself as a socialist, he will never get my vote. I like toilet paper, comrade.

    Democratic socialist.
    Which is a LOT different than Socialist.
    Yet I would bet my life that you never hear Fox News add te "democratic" part to it. Hell most left leaning sites that I've been reading dont even include it, it's pathetic and ultimately might be the reason he doesn't win.
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    rgambs said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    the people who fear the word socialist or use it as a slur need only look in a dictionary.

    Or a Bible!
    Jesus certainly wasn't a free-market capitalist.
    Or a Christian! Pretty sure he was just a chill Jewish kid who like to party and hang out while always kickin it in flip flops and comfy clothes.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    rr165892 said:

    rgambs said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    the people who fear the word socialist or use it as a slur need only look in a dictionary.

    Or a Bible!
    Jesus certainly wasn't a free-market capitalist.
    Or a Christian! Pretty sure he was just a chill Jewish kid who like to party and hang out while always kickin it in flip flops and comfy clothes.
    Preaching peace and goodwill, giving to your neighbors, and occasionally whippin' some bankers asses!
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?

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