Knowing what you know now would you still support the withdrawal of troops from Iraq
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Ok. So we're on the same page. Now back to the topic at hand. The Iraq war you hate never ended. More troops are going back. Soon enough you'll be at the same troop levels as there were in 2009 with zero to show for it other then ISIS, a collapsed Syria, Iranian/Russian aggression, a refugee crisis and genocide. The withdrawal resulted in more deaths then the invasion. This was all predicted.Halifax2TheMax said:Funny, neither do I.
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Predicted and desired.BS44325 said:
Ok. So we're on the same page. Now back to the topic at hand. The Iraq war you hate never ended. More troops are going back. Soon enough you'll be at the same troop levels as there were in 2009 with zero to show for it other then ISIS, a collapsed Syria, Iranian/Russian aggression, a refugee crisis and genocide. The withdrawal resulted in more deaths then the invasion. This was all predicted.Halifax2TheMax said:Funny, neither do I.
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Bullshit. Rummy claimed it would be a cakewalk, the US would be welcomed as liberators, democracy would flow from the ME and it would cost less than half a billion dollars. Predicted my ass. Nice revisionism, professor.BS44325 said:
Ok. So we're on the same page. Now back to the topic at hand. The Iraq war you hate never ended. More troops are going back. Soon enough you'll be at the same troop levels as there were in 2009 with zero to show for it other then ISIS, a collapsed Syria, Iranian/Russian aggression, a refugee crisis and genocide. The withdrawal resulted in more deaths then the invasion. This was all predicted.Halifax2TheMax said:Funny, neither do I.
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And there won't be 2009 troop levels in Iraq. Not under Obama and not Clinton. Trump? He'll implement the draft so he can invade Iran.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Basically everything you wrote is true.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bullshit. Rummy claimed it would be a cakewalk, the US would be welcomed as liberators, democracy would flow from the ME and it would cost less than half a billion dollars. Predicted my ass. Nice revisionism, professor.BS44325 said:
Ok. So we're on the same page. Now back to the topic at hand. The Iraq war you hate never ended. More troops are going back. Soon enough you'll be at the same troop levels as there were in 2009 with zero to show for it other then ISIS, a collapsed Syria, Iranian/Russian aggression, a refugee crisis and genocide. The withdrawal resulted in more deaths then the invasion. This was all predicted.Halifax2TheMax said:Funny, neither do I.
But must add that President cheney, along with rove and rumsfeld, didn't have a plan to get out if the U.S. was not greeted warmly.
There was a plan, years in the making, to get in and get rid of the Iraqi govt. but NO follow up.0 -
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No plan was the plan.
Despite the fact that most people don't believe a word that comes out of rummy's mouth, we are to take his statements about how the war would go at face value? Guess he was just wrong! Bullshit. They knew exactly how it would play out. Everyone with even a passing interest in the war knew the 'exit strategy' issue; it was all over mainstream media well before the invasion. They knew perfectly well that the entire region would fall into chaos for decades after saddam fell. They knew it would spill into Syria and helped it happen to further their stated goal of regime change there. They planned the fall of gaddafi. They knew terrorism would increase worldwide.
Destabilization and ethnic in-fighting throughout the Middle East and North Africa was the GOAL, not an unintended consequence. Believing it was a bunch of neoncon hawks bumbling their way thru a war of vengeance, with the poor dems left to pick up the pieces is ridiculous...it allows people to point a partisan finger, or to say 'I was wrong', with plausible deniability. Even more ridiculous is having anti-Islamic keyboard warriors pointing that partisan finger and calling for more of the same: thinly veiled (and mistaken) support for the 'best interests' of Israel, over world peace and security. The war, the lies, the criminal alliances, the results of the withdrawal....none of it gets a pass as an 'oops'.
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Desired by whom?Drowned Out said:
Predicted and desired.BS44325 said:
Ok. So we're on the same page. Now back to the topic at hand. The Iraq war you hate never ended. More troops are going back. Soon enough you'll be at the same troop levels as there were in 2009 with zero to show for it other then ISIS, a collapsed Syria, Iranian/Russian aggression, a refugee crisis and genocide. The withdrawal resulted in more deaths then the invasion. This was all predicted.Halifax2TheMax said:Funny, neither do I.
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This is a consequences of withdrawal thread. I think you meant to post that in the Iraq invasion thread. Related yet different topics.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bullshit. Rummy claimed it would be a cakewalk, the US would be welcomed as liberators, democracy would flow from the ME and it would cost less than half a billion dollars. Predicted my ass. Nice revisionism, professor.BS44325 said:
Ok. So we're on the same page. Now back to the topic at hand. The Iraq war you hate never ended. More troops are going back. Soon enough you'll be at the same troop levels as there were in 2009 with zero to show for it other then ISIS, a collapsed Syria, Iranian/Russian aggression, a refugee crisis and genocide. The withdrawal resulted in more deaths then the invasion. This was all predicted.Halifax2TheMax said:Funny, neither do I.
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This is a consequences of withdrawal thread. I think you meant to post that in the Iraq invasion thread. Related yet different topics.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bullshit. Rummy claimed it would be a cakewalk, the US would be welcomed as liberators, democracy would flow from the ME and it would cost less than half a billion dollars. Predicted my ass. Nice revisionism, professor.BS44325 said:
Ok. So we're on the same page. Now back to the topic at hand. The Iraq war you hate never ended. More troops are going back. Soon enough you'll be at the same troop levels as there were in 2009 with zero to show for it other then ISIS, a collapsed Syria, Iranian/Russian aggression, a refugee crisis and genocide. The withdrawal resulted in more deaths then the invasion. This was all predicted.Halifax2TheMax said:Funny, neither do I.
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Anybody know where the chemical weapons came from because there were none in Iraq previously?
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/22/islamic-state-launches-chemical-attack-against-us-/
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There won't be 170,000 US troops in Iraq no matter how much your Cheney imitating heart desires it. I'm sure you've been actively lobbying the Canadian government to send over the troops to clean up America's mess, right?BS44325 said:
This is a consequences of withdrawal thread. I think you meant to post that in the Iraq invasion thread. Related yet different topics.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bullshit. Rummy claimed it would be a cakewalk, the US would be welcomed as liberators, democracy would flow from the ME and it would cost less than half a billion dollars. Predicted my ass. Nice revisionism, professor.BS44325 said:
Ok. So we're on the same page. Now back to the topic at hand. The Iraq war you hate never ended. More troops are going back. Soon enough you'll be at the same troop levels as there were in 2009 with zero to show for it other then ISIS, a collapsed Syria, Iranian/Russian aggression, a refugee crisis and genocide. The withdrawal resulted in more deaths then the invasion. This was all predicted.Halifax2TheMax said:Funny, neither do I.
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You and your neocon heroes.BS44325 said:
Desired by whom?Drowned Out said:
Predicted and desired.BS44325 said:
Ok. So we're on the same page. Now back to the topic at hand. The Iraq war you hate never ended. More troops are going back. Soon enough you'll be at the same troop levels as there were in 2009 with zero to show for it other then ISIS, a collapsed Syria, Iranian/Russian aggression, a refugee crisis and genocide. The withdrawal resulted in more deaths then the invasion. This was all predicted.Halifax2TheMax said:Funny, neither do I.
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They desired a withdrawal and it's consequences? I don't think so.Halifax2TheMax said:
You and your neocon heroes.BS44325 said:
Desired by whom?Drowned Out said:
Predicted and desired.BS44325 said:
Ok. So we're on the same page. Now back to the topic at hand. The Iraq war you hate never ended. More troops are going back. Soon enough you'll be at the same troop levels as there were in 2009 with zero to show for it other then ISIS, a collapsed Syria, Iranian/Russian aggression, a refugee crisis and genocide. The withdrawal resulted in more deaths then the invasion. This was all predicted.Halifax2TheMax said:Funny, neither do I.
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It's the world's mess.Halifax2TheMax said:
There won't be 170,000 US troops in Iraq no matter how much your Cheney imitating heart desires it. I'm sure you've been actively lobbying the Canadian government to send over the troops to clean up America's mess, right?BS44325 said:
This is a consequences of withdrawal thread. I think you meant to post that in the Iraq invasion thread. Related yet different topics.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bullshit. Rummy claimed it would be a cakewalk, the US would be welcomed as liberators, democracy would flow from the ME and it would cost less than half a billion dollars. Predicted my ass. Nice revisionism, professor.BS44325 said:
Ok. So we're on the same page. Now back to the topic at hand. The Iraq war you hate never ended. More troops are going back. Soon enough you'll be at the same troop levels as there were in 2009 with zero to show for it other then ISIS, a collapsed Syria, Iranian/Russian aggression, a refugee crisis and genocide. The withdrawal resulted in more deaths then the invasion. This was all predicted.Halifax2TheMax said:Funny, neither do I.
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No, it's America's mess. You don't see any of the coalition of the willing running in to clean it up, Canada included, do you?BS44325 said:
It's the world's mess.Halifax2TheMax said:
There won't be 170,000 US troops in Iraq no matter how much your Cheney imitating heart desires it. I'm sure you've been actively lobbying the Canadian government to send over the troops to clean up America's mess, right?BS44325 said:
This is a consequences of withdrawal thread. I think you meant to post that in the Iraq invasion thread. Related yet different topics.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bullshit. Rummy claimed it would be a cakewalk, the US would be welcomed as liberators, democracy would flow from the ME and it would cost less than half a billion dollars. Predicted my ass. Nice revisionism, professor.BS44325 said:
Ok. So we're on the same page. Now back to the topic at hand. The Iraq war you hate never ended. More troops are going back. Soon enough you'll be at the same troop levels as there were in 2009 with zero to show for it other then ISIS, a collapsed Syria, Iranian/Russian aggression, a refugee crisis and genocide. The withdrawal resulted in more deaths then the invasion. This was all predicted.Halifax2TheMax said:Funny, neither do I.
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Canada does have some troops there right now but not enough. Unfortunately the world always follows America's lead and your President could have rallied the world to sustain the peace of 2009. He just chose not to.Halifax2TheMax said:
No, it's America's mess. You don't see any of the coalition of the willing running in to clean it up, Canada included, do you?BS44325 said:
It's the world's mess.Halifax2TheMax said:
There won't be 170,000 US troops in Iraq no matter how much your Cheney imitating heart desires it. I'm sure you've been actively lobbying the Canadian government to send over the troops to clean up America's mess, right?BS44325 said:
This is a consequences of withdrawal thread. I think you meant to post that in the Iraq invasion thread. Related yet different topics.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bullshit. Rummy claimed it would be a cakewalk, the US would be welcomed as liberators, democracy would flow from the ME and it would cost less than half a billion dollars. Predicted my ass. Nice revisionism, professor.BS44325 said:
Ok. So we're on the same page. Now back to the topic at hand. The Iraq war you hate never ended. More troops are going back. Soon enough you'll be at the same troop levels as there were in 2009 with zero to show for it other then ISIS, a collapsed Syria, Iranian/Russian aggression, a refugee crisis and genocide. The withdrawal resulted in more deaths then the invasion. This was all predicted.Halifax2TheMax said:Funny, neither do I.
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The neocon denial of facts is astounding.BS44325 said:
Canada does have some troops there right now but not enough. Unfortunately the world always follows America's lead and your President could have rallied the world to sustain the peace of 2009. He just chose not to.Halifax2TheMax said:
No, it's America's mess. You don't see any of the coalition of the willing running in to clean it up, Canada included, do you?BS44325 said:
It's the world's mess.Halifax2TheMax said:
There won't be 170,000 US troops in Iraq no matter how much your Cheney imitating heart desires it. I'm sure you've been actively lobbying the Canadian government to send over the troops to clean up America's mess, right?BS44325 said:
This is a consequences of withdrawal thread. I think you meant to post that in the Iraq invasion thread. Related yet different topics.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bullshit. Rummy claimed it would be a cakewalk, the US would be welcomed as liberators, democracy would flow from the ME and it would cost less than half a billion dollars. Predicted my ass. Nice revisionism, professor.BS44325 said:
Ok. So we're on the same page. Now back to the topic at hand. The Iraq war you hate never ended. More troops are going back. Soon enough you'll be at the same troop levels as there were in 2009 with zero to show for it other then ISIS, a collapsed Syria, Iranian/Russian aggression, a refugee crisis and genocide. The withdrawal resulted in more deaths then the invasion. This was all predicted.Halifax2TheMax said:Funny, neither do I.
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