Why can't you guys just be honest about it the term " thug " is describing a black man it certainly is not describing a white male ...
It's not.And your off base.This whole overly PC thing is ridiculous.I mean Cmon is a punk just a white kid with a Mohawk? It's no wonder this country has gotten so soft.Everone walking on eggshells.Fuck that.Im no rascist.Not even a little,but those criminals who were slicing fire hoses and burning down buisnesses were Thugs plain and simple.You guys crack me up.
Yes they were thugs black teens not white teens , I'm not afraid to call them thugs I'm not walking on egg shells I work side by side with black men & women ... Thug = black men
I love how I presented irrefutable evidence to the contrary of the notion that 'thug' is reserved for black people and people not only chose to ignore it... they persist with their argument.
In the event some are talking more than they are listening: Mayor Gregor Robertson publically denounced the large, predominantly white contingency of rioters in Vancouver as thugs.
He did so because that is what these 'individuals-persisting-with-non-legal-activities' (would that satisfy some?) were- thugs.
I don't think Vancouver is a great example at all. Canada simply doesn't have the same racial tensions that we do. If you find an example from the US please post it, I am not sure it hasn't happened, but you can bet your bottom dollar Fox News doesn't call any white people thugs.
Even if they do occasionally, some of you are seriously blind if you don't see that there are people out there who are using thug as a new racist epithet. It happens, get over it. Thug is not a racist term, but it gets used as one, and that is plain truth, if you can't see that your eyes are closed.
If Vancouver isn't a good example then neither is Fox News. Fox speaks to a certain audience only and that audience does not include you or I. Much like Richard Sherman, Fox doesn't get to decide what words mean, or define how they are used across society.
I'm off to see the Avengers but I'm sure I'll check in later.
I disagree entirely. Fox News is American, it is the most watched news network, and it the network of choice for white racists...seems like a good example of the fact that some words, like thug and terroris(m/t), are used selectively in a racist way.
Wow!! Everyone that watches Fox that does not agree with you I suppose are racist?
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Also I guess it goes back to the POTUS. I guess his white racist side is the one that called them thugs?
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DUNDALK, Md. —A Dundalk community is on edge after a large group, mostly made up of juveniles from a nearby school, viciously beat a man almost to death.
It happened just before 1 p.m. Wednesday in the 500 block of 45th Street in the Harbor View area. So far, police have made two arrests in the case -- both juveniles. One will be tried as a juvenile, the other an adult.
Residents said there has been an ongoing problem with students leaving nearby Baltimore Community High School, and that something needs to be done.
Police, friends and family said two girls, who witnesses describe as students from the nearby Baltimore Community High School, were fighting near a green pickup truck that belongs to 61-year-old Richard Fletcher.
Police said Fletcher tried to break up the fight but was then attacked by other juveniles and adults, some of them students at the school, who were watching the fight.
Fletcher spent several days in a coma.
"You wouldn't believe it. Everybody goes in the house and shuts their door. You have to live like a prisoner. But when I came down and seen that man, it made you totally sick," a resident said.
Residents who asked not to be identified said they are now fearful for their lives and property, saying it can be utter chaos when the school lets out for the day.
A business owner who has surveillance video of the attack said he has received death threats from students and their friends.
On Monday, there was a noticeable police presence, both from the city and the county, in the neighborhood.
WBAL-TV 11 News contacted Baltimore City school officials but they declined to comment.
According to the school's website, Baltimore Community High School is a second-chance school serving students who are between the ages of 14 to 21.
Attempts to reach Fletcher were unsuccessful. Friends and family said he is too scared to even answer the door to his home.
The Harbor View Community Association is planning a public forum Wednesday at 7 p.m. at the school to discuss the problems.
Friends and family have started a fundraising page online to cover Fletcher's medical bills.
Police say more arrests are pending.
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I feel like we just went full circle. Thug is a word that is not by nature or definition a racially charged, or race specific word on its own. It can be used as such depending on context. It seems mid-thread that there was a consensus building. Now we're back to thug = black? Not in my world. I'll continue to use the word to describe assholes of all color, ethnicity, and socioeconomic status where appropriate. Language may evolve, but words continue to have meanings, and if a small group of people choose to narrow or change the meaning to something very specific and unintended, then that is on that small group of people to reconcile.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Thug noun 1. a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer. 2. (sometimes initial capital letter) one of a former group of professional robbers and murderers in India who strangled their victims.
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Thug noun 1. a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer. 2. (sometimes initial capital letter) one of a former group of professional robbers and murderers in India who strangled their victims.
This is how 'thug' became synonymous with black gangstas:
Any word used derogatorily as a racial slur is offensive. If it's not used as a racial descriptor, no, it's not offensive. Pretty simple to me. But I'm not black, so it's not really up to me.
Thugs are thugs. The word defines a certain type of BEHAVIOUR, not a certain ethnicity. Until I saw this issue raised 2 days ago, there has NEVER been any other usage of the word, and the definition or implication of a word cannot change in a matter of days. That's not how it works. The media fucking scored on this one. They invented this debate and got people to run with it. It's like they're evil geniuses.
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Anyone going to see Avengers this weekend will be treated to very white Captain America referring to a very white bad guy as a thug. I laughed out loud in the theater and people around me had no idea why.
Thugs are thugs. The word defines a certain type of BEHAVIOUR, not a certain ethnicity. Until I saw this issue raised 2 days ago, there has NEVER been any other usage of the word, and the definition or implication of a word cannot change in a matter of days. That's not how it works. The media fucking scored on this one. They invented this debate and got people to run with it. It's like they're evil geniuses.
Better check your facts, this debate has been going on for a couple of years.
BUT MAYBE IF I PUT IT IN ALL CAPS IT WILL MAKE IT TRUE.
Anyone going to see Avengers this weekend will be treated to very white Captain America referring to a very white bad guy as a thug. I laughed out loud in the theater and people around me had no idea why.
This is how 'thug' became synonymous with black gangstas:
Any word used derogatorily as a racial slur is offensive. If it's not used as a racial descriptor, no, it's not offensive. Pretty simple to me. But I'm not black, so it's not really up to me.
Anyone going to see Avengers this weekend will be treated to very white Captain America referring to a very white bad guy as a thug. I laughed out loud in the theater and people around me had no idea why.
They must play movies early in Boston.
If you can get the time off then 10am opening day is the way to go. No crazy crowds but the people who are there are eager. Highly recommend.
Anyone going to see Avengers this weekend will be treated to very white Captain America referring to a very white bad guy as a thug. I laughed out loud in the theater and people around me had no idea why.
They must play movies early in Boston.
If you can get the time off then 10am opening day is the way to go. No crazy crowds but the people who are there are eager. Highly recommend.
I wish man, my life of leisure ended the moment my son was born. Maybe, someday I can enjoy a good movie at a theatre again. Glad to here the movie was good, I will watch it when it becomes available online....maybe
Anyone going to see Avengers this weekend will be treated to very white Captain America referring to a very white bad guy as a thug. I laughed out loud in the theater and people around me had no idea why.
They must play movies early in Boston.
If you can get the time off then 10am opening day is the way to go. No crazy crowds but the people who are there are eager. Highly recommend.
I wish man, my life of leisure ended the moment my son was born. Maybe, someday I can enjoy a good movie at a theatre again. Glad to here the movie was good, I will watch it when it becomes available online....maybe
The experience is highly recommended. The movie was only a B/B-. The first one was much better.
I love how I presented irrefutable evidence to the contrary of the notion that 'thug' is reserved for black people and people not only chose to ignore it... they persist with their argument.
In the event some are talking more than they are listening: Mayor Gregor Robertson publically denounced the large, predominantly white contingency of rioters in Vancouver as thugs.
He did so because that is what these 'individuals-persisting-with-non-legal-activities' (would that satisfy some?) were- thugs.
I don't think Vancouver is a great example at all. Canada simply doesn't have the same racial tensions that we do. If you find an example from the US please post it, I am not sure it hasn't happened, but you can bet your bottom dollar Fox News doesn't call any white people thugs.
Even if they do occasionally, some of you are seriously blind if you don't see that there are people out there who are using thug as a new racist epithet. It happens, get over it. Thug is not a racist term, but it gets used as one, and that is plain truth, if you can't see that your eyes are closed.
If Vancouver isn't a good example then neither is Fox News. Fox speaks to a certain audience only and that audience does not include you or I. Much like Richard Sherman, Fox doesn't get to decide what words mean, or define how they are used across society.
I'm off to see the Avengers but I'm sure I'll check in later.
The other part to this being that the Vancouver Stanley Cup riots happened in 2011 and we're talking about word usage in 2015. If we are talking about evolving usage, that's plenty of time for it.
Plenty of time? Are you serious?
4 years... and a common word is plucked from everyday vernacular and converted to succinctly depicting a group based on their race when engaged in the behaviors typically eliciting the descriptive term?
What's the new term for 'white' thugs?
No. No way.
I"m not arguing for or against the validity of this usage, Thirty, I'm just saying that word meanings can change very quickly. How quickly did the word "tweet" come to commonly mean a post on twitter instead of the sound of a bird? Or go listen to any teenagers talk.
"Tweet" is an example of taking an existing word and using it to name something that did not exist before. It didn't change the existing meaning of the word. Birds still tweet and chirp outside my window, Twitter or no. Meanwhile, white and black thugs alike continue to exhibit thug-like behavior.
Thugs are thugs. The word defines a certain type of BEHAVIOUR, not a certain ethnicity. Until I saw this issue raised 2 days ago, there has NEVER been any other usage of the word, and the definition or implication of a word cannot change in a matter of days. That's not how it works. The media fucking scored on this one. They invented this debate and got people to run with it. It's like they're evil geniuses.
Better check your facts, this debate has been going on for a couple of years.
BUT MAYBE IF I PUT IT IN ALL CAPS IT WILL MAKE IT TRUE.
Okay, in Canada then? I have never heard of this debate before. It just suddenly popped up in the news this week. Either way, everything g I said still stands. It's an idiotic argument.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Thugs are thugs. The word defines a certain type of BEHAVIOUR, not a certain ethnicity. Until I saw this issue raised 2 days ago, there has NEVER been any other usage of the word, and the definition or implication of a word cannot change in a matter of days. That's not how it works. The media fucking scored on this one. They invented this debate and got people to run with it. It's like they're evil geniuses.
Better check your facts, this debate has been going on for a couple of years.
BUT MAYBE IF I PUT IT IN ALL CAPS IT WILL MAKE IT TRUE.
Okay, in Canada then? I have never heard of this debate before. It just suddenly popped up in the news this week. Either way, everything g I said still stands. It's an idiotic argument.
The Richard Sherman clip posted earlier on is from January of 2014. If that is truly when this started then it certainly has not been going on for a couple of years.
I love how I presented irrefutable evidence to the contrary of the notion that 'thug' is reserved for black people and people not only chose to ignore it... they persist with their argument.
In the event some are talking more than they are listening: Mayor Gregor Robertson publically denounced the large, predominantly white contingency of rioters in Vancouver as thugs.
He did so because that is what these 'individuals-persisting-with-non-legal-activities' (would that satisfy some?) were- thugs.
I don't think Vancouver is a great example at all. Canada simply doesn't have the same racial tensions that we do. If you find an example from the US please post it, I am not sure it hasn't happened, but you can bet your bottom dollar Fox News doesn't call any white people thugs.
Even if they do occasionally, some of you are seriously blind if you don't see that there are people out there who are using thug as a new racist epithet. It happens, get over it. Thug is not a racist term, but it gets used as one, and that is plain truth, if you can't see that your eyes are closed.
If Vancouver isn't a good example then neither is Fox News. Fox speaks to a certain audience only and that audience does not include you or I. Much like Richard Sherman, Fox doesn't get to decide what words mean, or define how they are used across society.
I'm off to see the Avengers but I'm sure I'll check in later.
I disagree entirely. Fox News is American, it is the most watched news network, and it the network of choice for white racists...seems like a good example of the fact that some words, like thug and terroris(m/t), are used selectively in a racist way.
Wow!! Everyone that watches Fox that does not agree with you I suppose are racist?
Of course not! Reading comprehension is lacking here. Just because white racists (I specify because they aren't the only kind obviously) choose Fox News, doesn't mean everyone who chooses Fox News is a racist...that is just plain silly, and not at all what I said. That was a pretty deep inference and seems kind of auspicious to me...
Some people use the word thug as a unique description for young black males that dress a certain way. They substitute the n word for it.
all that use this word don't use in this context.
Who are these people you are accusing here of being racist? If you did hear them say thug, did they tell you they were using thug as a replacement?
It's very obvious as part of the context of it being used. Do you dispute that people don't use thug as substitute for n word? Do you dispute that when some people talk of thugs that it's directed at certain demographic? Not you but some.
And read my last line post you quoted. I've used thug in literal definition. Actually only way.
My comment on Fox viewers is unrelated to this post. Just pointing out the obvious.
PS I should be able to just type the n word but........
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http://www.wbaltv.com/news/dundalk-man-recovering-after-beating/32610412
Punks? Thugs? Assholes? Or all of the above?
DUNDALK, Md. —A Dundalk community is on edge after a large group, mostly made up of juveniles from a nearby school, viciously beat a man almost to death.
It happened just before 1 p.m. Wednesday in the 500 block of 45th Street in the Harbor View area. So far, police have made two arrests in the case -- both juveniles. One will be tried as a juvenile, the other an adult.
Residents said there has been an ongoing problem with students leaving nearby Baltimore Community High School, and that something needs to be done.
Police, friends and family said two girls, who witnesses describe as students from the nearby Baltimore Community High School, were fighting near a green pickup truck that belongs to 61-year-old Richard Fletcher.
Police said Fletcher tried to break up the fight but was then attacked by other juveniles and adults, some of them students at the school, who were watching the fight.
Fletcher spent several days in a coma.
"You wouldn't believe it. Everybody goes in the house and shuts their door. You have to live like a prisoner. But when I came down and seen that man, it made you totally sick," a resident said.
Residents who asked not to be identified said they are now fearful for their lives and property, saying it can be utter chaos when the school lets out for the day.
A business owner who has surveillance video of the attack said he has received death threats from students and their friends.
On Monday, there was a noticeable police presence, both from the city and the county, in the neighborhood.
WBAL-TV 11 News contacted Baltimore City school officials but they declined to comment.
According to the school's website, Baltimore Community High School is a second-chance school serving students who are between the ages of 14 to 21.
Attempts to reach Fletcher were unsuccessful. Friends and family said he is too scared to even answer the door to his home.
The Harbor View Community Association is planning a public forum Wednesday at 7 p.m. at the school to discuss the problems.
Friends and family have started a fundraising page online to cover Fletcher's medical bills.
Police say more arrests are pending.
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noun
1. a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) one of a former group of professional robbers and murderers in India who strangled their victims.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Thug?s=t
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Any word used derogatorily as a racial slur is offensive. If it's not used as a racial descriptor, no, it's not offensive. Pretty simple to me. But I'm not black, so it's not really up to me.
(Sarcasm)
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
BUT MAYBE IF I PUT IT IN ALL CAPS IT WILL MAKE IT TRUE.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
all that use this word don't use in this context.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
And read my last line post you quoted. I've used thug in literal definition. Actually only way.
My comment on Fox viewers is unrelated to this post. Just pointing out the obvious.
PS I should be able to just type the n word but........