Kurt Cobain: Montage of Heck

HughFreakingDillon

badbrains said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

badbrains said:

You guys should read the buzz Osbourne interview he did about the review he gave about this documentary.

King Buzzo is an absolute asshole. not just for what he says about the film, but everything he says about anyone around that scene. he acts like he's the only "geniune" person from that era, and that everyone else is full of shit and talentless and sell outs.

he comes off as a jealous and bitter piece of shit.

That maybe true but I'd take his word over Courtney Loves any day.

well of course. she's a liar with an agenda for her image.

but buzzo talks shit about EVERYBODY. Dave, Krist, Kurt (who he was supposedly good friends with), mudhoney, pearl jam, billy corgan, soundgarden, andrew wood, everyone. he just seems like a completely miserable person.

bluegrace

Finally saw it yesterday. And was surprised at how good it was. And sad. What a sweet, troubled and beautiful soul he was.

hrd2imgn

As much as I think Courtney Love was a NEGATIVE influence on him in ways there are some opinions I have on this.

1. how long did the love he had and relationship they have actually make his life better, so in some ways she was maybe the only positive thing he had in his life for a time. Lets not put it all in her lap. Did she actually prolong his life....I know based on what they showed she sort of got him on the Heroin thing....but beyond that

2. Kurt was a grown man, addict, mentally ill or not, he made his choices, not Courtney

3. it is really easy to judge those two based on how they acted while she was pregnant, after Francis was born, etc.....I find it hard not to do it right now, but the only person with right to judge them is Francis.

this movie was like a train wreck after a while, I could not believe what I saw in some scenes...it seems the support structure for both Kurt and Courtney failed, or they completely ignored it (probably this) This is a real hard watch

I think my favorite part was the alternate views of unplugged and the "Where did you sleep last night" right after the Courtney cheating stuff......it made the performance so incredibly more meaningful and powerful. It seemed the guys in the band knew, if you look on their faces, they seemed totally entranced by his raw, emotion laden, performance.

I don't think I like Kurt/Nirvana any more or less after the video, but his writing makes much more sense than it ever did. I wonder what things would be like if he had not died, where they would have gone personally and musically. How that would have caused a sea change to the music industry. I also noticed(not like this is some revelation fro you sorry) how alike him and Ed were in the whole fandom craze and band blowing up too fast thing, it is so sad they never got to just be guys and talk about it, how maybe they could have helped each other immensely. This story is certainly a rock cliche tragedy.

Will the record companies step up even and offer support to these bands? It seems like they could be more helpful in helping them cope with the success/touring. Instead of treating their bands like whores and pimping them out for every cent, maybe show a human side and give a shit about them....maybe then artists wouldn't be leaving your labels like rats on a sinking ship.

okay there are my 4 cents

RideRick

darthvedder said:

jonsey30 said:

Also, for people that don't think this personal content should be put out there, Frances was an Executive Producer. It had to be hard enough for her to see the material, but I think if she, along with Courtney, were okay with releasing it, that's the only opinion I care about.

The Rolling Stone article with Frances is really worth reading. She said her main goal was to dispel the myth behind Kurt Cobain. Show that he was just a human being. I think it succeeded in that regard. I hope today's teenagers who buy Nirvana shirts at Hot Topic watch it.

I also couldn't help but think about Eddie Vedder's situation growing up. While not exactly the same, there were enough similarities to think that Eddie could have gone down the same road. They both found music, which elevated them. While it ended up saving Eddie, it eventually killed Kurt.

Sometimes when I see him drinking 3 bottles of wine on an evening during the concert I wonder if he is an alcoholic or he has a bottle of juice..
It hurts me when I see him getting drunk at the concerts.. he still needs the booze to perform.
Shamefully.. he has his kids watching him drinking on stage.
You could imagine nothing is written or post about it because it seems he manage it well....

RideRick

HughFreakingDillon said:

badbrains said:

You guys should read the buzz Osbourne interview he did about the review he gave about this documentary.

King Buzzo is an absolute asshole. not just for what he says about the film, but everything he says about anyone around that scene. he acts like he's the only "geniune" person from that era, and that everyone else is full of shit and talentless and sell outs.

he comes off as a jealous and bitter piece of shit.

Like the Melvins are anywhere near the fame of the Grunge scene... _O-

cydonia

Eventually purchased and was pleasantly suprised, but have to say I'm looking forward to 'soaked in bleach' more, question marks over his death can't be ignored.

2-feign-reluctance

Going to give it a try. I know I've been adamant in prior posts about never wanting to see it. I think I need some long overdue closure on Cobain & Nirvana. I was 16 when he suicided & I never really processed it until I read the Cross book in 2001. It opened up a lot of emotions and upset for me after I read it. Probably spent a month listening to everything Nirvana, worked at a record store at the time and recall special ordering any single, import I could get my hands on. Just digested and appreciated what the music was. After that I felt like I could say goodbye, but all the movies, books & new Nirvana releases that came and still come felt like overkill & it pissed me off, so kneejerk reaction was to be like 'fuck this new stuff, what's done is done, what's said has been said'.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Was this the one where the special needs girl was taken advantage of?

That segment made me squirm.

That scene aside, the whole flick was tough to watch.

PJ_Soul

I didn't find it hard to watch. I am pretty much totally disgusted by Kurt and Courtney's behaviour, and i disliked them both even more than i already did after watching, but it didn't make me squirm. I always thought Cobain was kind of a miserable jerk (which is why I was never a really big Nirvana fan) and frankly, this movie just confirmed it IMO.

2-feign-reluctance

PJ_Soul said:

I didn't find it hard to watch. I am pretty much totally disgusted by Kurt and Courtney's behaviour, and i disliked them both even more than i already did after watching, but it didn't make me squirm. I always thought Cobain was kind of a miserable jerk (which is why I was never a really big Nirvana fan) and frankly, this movie just confirmed it IMO.

Good to know. I never idolized Kurt or the band. Big fan of the music though. His suicide was something I didn't understand. Thus beginning a profound interest in human behaviour that took me through school & eventually to my career. At 16 there was no way for me to comprehend such intense human suffering - call it a sheltered middle class upbringing - until I started working with addicts & mental health, meeting a few people who only wanted death & nothing more did I start to understand all the complexities involved.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

I didn't find it hard to watch. I am pretty much totally disgusted by Kurt and Courtney's behaviour, and i disliked them both even more than i already did after watching, but it didn't make me squirm. I always thought Cobain was kind of a miserable jerk (which is why I was never a really big Nirvana fan) and frankly, this movie just confirmed it IMO.

yeah, always loved music from both of them, but everytime I see Courtney I think of the woman junkie in The Crow.

I always found Kurt to be a bit of an asshole. Always calling down other bands for their shit music, etc, all the while wanting to be at the top of the charts himself, while publicly deriding Nevermind as too commercial, which was a total lie. Completely disingenuous person it seemed.

His suicide hit me hard, but oddly, not when it happened (I was 19). it hit me years later. I remember getting the phone call from a friend of mine who told me to turn on Muchmusic and, honestly, my first reaction was laughter. Not callous. Just I think shock laughter, if that makes any sense. It didn't seem to bother me at the time. I remember watching the vigil or whatever it was and all these people my age and a bit younger crying their eyes out, hearing some of them killed themselves later on over it, etc. I was dumbfounded. But then it started to hit me when my own life started to unravel. I became obsessed with him and their music. I did cry at the end of the movie. But I think it was more the dramatic presentation, the visual of this happy kid, than anything.

PJ_Soul

TBH, I'm still not entirely convinced it was suicide. I'm also not convinced of the murder conspiracies... but I definitely wonder.

Many of my musician friends were devastated by his death. I remember coming into the smoke pit (I was in grade 12 at the time and kids were still allowed to smoke at school, lol), and everyone was milling around all upset and everything. Well, I felt for them and understood them, but I didn't really feel it. Nevermind is a good album and I really got into it at the time, but the other two are just okay. But mostly I just didn't connect with Kurt's "thing". I really wasn't a sullen, broody teen, and I always just thought that Kurt came off like a jerk, as you say as well. He was so negative, and honestly, I saw some friends kind of clinging onto that kind of bitter negativity and I didn't think it was doing my friends any good at all. So I didn't have that emotional connection with his as an artist. I simply really liked one album his band made. I did recognize that it was a groundbreaking album, but without an emotional connection with the artist or where he's coming from, I wasn't about to be devastated by his death. I was pretty crushed about Shannon Hoon a year later though, and just the news about Gord Downie's brain tumour has hit me hard, and he's not even dead yet, so I definitely know the feeling.