Why Are Republicans At War With Reality?
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hedo - it's always so pleasant disagreeing with you! I know you reject binary thinking and see the shades of grey, and that in turn makes me realize that I probably ought to be seeing those shades toohedonist said:
Not defensive by any means - chuckling a bit, actually. Never had someone come at me like this throughout my years here.backseatLover12 said:Hedonist, your emotions are showing, getting defensive again?
I'm not sure when or where this strange hard-on for me began, but it'd be great for you, me and the rest of the members if you kept it to yourself.
Back on topic, I appreciate where gambs is coming from, as I do with benjs' getting what I was saying.
Sometimes it feels tough to get a point across that wide field
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Among those on the same side of an issue, yes of course. Once a resolve is found, swaying the opposition is much more fractious.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
So can we agree that societal issues ideally can be settled through discussions until a resolve is found.rgambs said:
Ideally, yes.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Before leaving the meetings and discussions would an agreement be in place as to where and how to deliver the message to the streets?rgambs said:
Meetings and discussions first, then take your concise message to the streets for disruption.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
So would the occupy movement better been served doing it elsewhere perhaps through meetings and discussions on a more stable podium? - council if you willrgambs said:
Not effective, but I don't see the relevance. Disruption is not the only factor that creates success, you also need some organization and a clear message...both of which were severely lacking.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Occupy Wall Street went well don't you think? -very effective.rgambs said:
Think of all the greatest moments throughout world history when a people stood for change and made an impact...hedonist said:
The protests here a couple of months ago involved many walking en masse on a local freeway at night. I don't doubt some were sincere in their efforts, but how stupid to put yourself - and others who are just trying to get home - at such risk?rgambs said:
Hold a rally in a park, hold a rally in the dark. Just make sure you aren't a disruption...sorry, but disruption is what leads to change, not words spoken from a place that is too easy to ignore.
It's an insult to those who are racially profiled and abused to say this movement is misguided. People rag on the young generation for being apathetic, but as soon as they put their money on the barrel they are misguided and not genuine.
I don't have the answers, but to incur the wrath and jeopardize the safety of others? Seems fucked up.
And when I talk about wrath, it's spoken more to those who need the police, EMT's, firefighters as quickly as possible - who are either trying to preserve peace at the protest site or can't get through the gathering itself.
(also aware of the irony that could be taken from the above statement)
It's the nature of civil disobedience, and it's the only way it is effective.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Agree with this!rgambs said:
Among those on the same side of an issue, yes of course. Once a resolve is found, swaying the opposition is much more fractious.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
So can we agree that societal issues ideally can be settled through discussions until a resolve is found.rgambs said:
Ideally, yes.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Before leaving the meetings and discussions would an agreement be in place as to where and how to deliver the message to the streets?rgambs said:
Meetings and discussions first, then take your concise message to the streets for disruption.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
So would the occupy movement better been served doing it elsewhere perhaps through meetings and discussions on a more stable podium? - council if you willrgambs said:
Not effective, but I don't see the relevance. Disruption is not the only factor that creates success, you also need some organization and a clear message...both of which were severely lacking.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Occupy Wall Street went well don't you think? -very effective.rgambs said:
Think of all the greatest moments throughout world history when a people stood for change and made an impact...hedonist said:
The protests here a couple of months ago involved many walking en masse on a local freeway at night. I don't doubt some were sincere in their efforts, but how stupid to put yourself - and others who are just trying to get home - at such risk?rgambs said:
Hold a rally in a park, hold a rally in the dark. Just make sure you aren't a disruption...sorry, but disruption is what leads to change, not words spoken from a place that is too easy to ignore.
It's an insult to those who are racially profiled and abused to say this movement is misguided. People rag on the young generation for being apathetic, but as soon as they put their money on the barrel they are misguided and not genuine.
I don't have the answers, but to incur the wrath and jeopardize the safety of others? Seems fucked up.
And when I talk about wrath, it's spoken more to those who need the police, EMT's, firefighters as quickly as possible - who are either trying to preserve peace at the protest site or can't get through the gathering itself.
(also aware of the irony that could be taken from the above statement)
It's the nature of civil disobedience, and it's the only way it is effective.0 -
I second that motion!benjs said:
hedo - it's always so pleasant disagreeing with you! I know you reject binary thinking and see the shades of grey, and that in turn makes me realize that I probably ought to be seeing those shades toohedonist said:
Not defensive by any means - chuckling a bit, actually. Never had someone come at me like this throughout my years here.backseatLover12 said:Hedonist, your emotions are showing, getting defensive again?
I'm not sure when or where this strange hard-on for me began, but it'd be great for you, me and the rest of the members if you kept it to yourself.
Back on topic, I appreciate where gambs is coming from, as I do with benjs' getting what I was saying.
Sometimes it feels tough to get a point across that wide field
Whether we meet closer to my end of the field or yours is irrelevant, so long as we're willing to walk when the logic presents itself.
Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Unless the opposition passion that went into discussions and came to a resolve, left and spread the message with that equal positive passion to sway others it wouldn't be so fractious would it?rgambs said:
Among those on the same side of an issue, yes of course. Once a resolve is found, swaying the opposition is much more fractious.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
So can we agree that societal issues ideally can be settled through discussions until a resolve is found.rgambs said:
Ideally, yes.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Before leaving the meetings and discussions would an agreement be in place as to where and how to deliver the message to the streets?rgambs said:
Meetings and discussions first, then take your concise message to the streets for disruption.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
So would the occupy movement better been served doing it elsewhere perhaps through meetings and discussions on a more stable podium? - council if you willrgambs said:
Not effective, but I don't see the relevance. Disruption is not the only factor that creates success, you also need some organization and a clear message...both of which were severely lacking.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Occupy Wall Street went well don't you think? -very effective.rgambs said:
Think of all the greatest moments throughout world history when a people stood for change and made an impact...hedonist said:
The protests here a couple of months ago involved many walking en masse on a local freeway at night. I don't doubt some were sincere in their efforts, but how stupid to put yourself - and others who are just trying to get home - at such risk?rgambs said:
Hold a rally in a park, hold a rally in the dark. Just make sure you aren't a disruption...sorry, but disruption is what leads to change, not words spoken from a place that is too easy to ignore.
It's an insult to those who are racially profiled and abused to say this movement is misguided. People rag on the young generation for being apathetic, but as soon as they put their money on the barrel they are misguided and not genuine.
I don't have the answers, but to incur the wrath and jeopardize the safety of others? Seems fucked up.
And when I talk about wrath, it's spoken more to those who need the police, EMT's, firefighters as quickly as possible - who are either trying to preserve peace at the protest site or can't get through the gathering itself.
(also aware of the irony that could be taken from the above statement)
It's the nature of civil disobedience, and it's the only way it is effective.0 -
Except you miss the biggest fact of all which is cost of living. Red states are so much more affordable that your other statistics are pretty much meaningless. Remember when people on here used to be concerned about income inequality? Again that is pretty much a blue state phenomenon where the cost of living is so damn high.rgambs said:
I prefer facts...those pesky things that show the higher rates of poverty, government dependence, unemployment, and so on.BS44325 said:
It's called Liberty. It's an inhalational.rgambs said:
Whatever drugs you are on, you need to share with the rest of us!BS44325 said:
I don't listen to either...sorry. Watch Morning Joe on MSNBC every morning and Special Report with Bret Baier on Fox when I can but that's about it for me.rgambs said:BS44325 said:
Baltimore is liberal reality. It is what happens when you let progressives run a city for 50 years. The same thing happened to Detroit. Abandoned downtown cores, horrible schools, tons of poverty, hopelessness. Not a republican in site. Practice all the civil disobedience you want but nothing will change until you leave your failed policies behind. Deal with that reality.backseatLover12 said:
Gimme's post is spot on for this thread. Frank's? His is off topic. We are discussing republicans and how they are at war with reality…Dirtie_Frank said:
I am not sure it is spot on. I want less government telling me what to do and both Dems and Repubs seem to think they know what is right for you and me. So if you want some politician telling you how to live have at it.callen said:
Derailed and think Gimmies post was spot on for this thread.gimmesometruth27 said:the answer is very simple.
the world, and this country is changing. republicans do not want change. they do not want the status quo to change. as a strategy, they lie and lie and lie and deny deny deny, as if being dishonest and being in denial will make the changes go away.
look at the changes since 2001.
we are war weary and do not want war. republicans have never met a war they didn't like.
american has always been tight with israel. many americans are waking up. not the republicans.
the majority of americans want gays to be able to marry. republicans don't.
majority of americans want legal marijuana. republicans don't.
a vast majority of americans feel that climate change is man made and want action on global warming. republicans don't
most americans want religion out of politics. republicans want the 2 to be hand in hand.
most americans want the super wealthy to pay more in taxes. republicans don't.
most americans oppose citizens united. republicans feel that money is speech.
most americans want abortion to be legal and convenient to have if necessary. republicans don't.
most americans want an increase in minimum wage. republicans don't.
most americans want wall street reform. republicans don't.
more and more americans want medicare for all, or a single payer insurance system. republicans don't.
there are more, but these are the few that just popped to mind.
look at that list. republicans are on the wrong side of every one of them, and as a result, on the wrong side of history.
if you are a party who sees the writing on the wall in a changing world and you want to stop the change, what are you going to do? lie and deny and hope it goes away.
In starting this thread, it is about the insistence of a political party to live in never never land rather than to get with it and address real issues with realistic strategies. They do not.
And your explanation for the shining beacons of success that are the red states of the south? Not a Democrat in sight and yet tons of poverty, hopelessness, and the highest rates of government dependence in the states. By far.
Failed policies. Deal with that reality as well.
Do you seriously not listen to Rush and Hannity? You jump into nearly every discussion with the same arguments I hear on those shows, nearly verbatim and within a day or two of tthem.
And without a doubt the economies and job opportunities are better in pretty much every "red" state. Does that mean they don't have poverty? Of course not but there is a reason why New York, Illinois, Maryland, California etc are going down the toilet while Texas and other states are growing. Liberal policies in the era of Hope and Change are imploding.
Texas and Florida are notable exceptions... Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana and so on... Shining examples of the success of Republican governance for sure!
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/04/opinion/sunday/is-life-better-in-americas-red-states.html?referrer=&_r=00 -
If the positions are diametrically opposed the passion will only cause contention.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Unless the opposition passion that went into discussions and came to a resolve, left and spread the message with that equal positive passion to sway others it wouldn't be so fractious would it?rgambs said:
Among those on the same side of an issue, yes of course. Once a resolve is found, swaying the opposition is much more fractious.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
So can we agree that societal issues ideally can be settled through discussions until a resolve is found.rgambs said:
Ideally, yes.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Before leaving the meetings and discussions would an agreement be in place as to where and how to deliver the message to the streets?rgambs said:
Meetings and discussions first, then take your concise message to the streets for disruption.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
So would the occupy movement better been served doing it elsewhere perhaps through meetings and discussions on a more stable podium? - council if you willrgambs said:
Not effective, but I don't see the relevance. Disruption is not the only factor that creates success, you also need some organization and a clear message...both of which were severely lacking.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Occupy Wall Street went well don't you think? -very effective.rgambs said:
Think of all the greatest moments throughout world history when a people stood for change and made an impact...hedonist said:
The protests here a couple of months ago involved many walking en masse on a local freeway at night. I don't doubt some were sincere in their efforts, but how stupid to put yourself - and others who are just trying to get home - at such risk?rgambs said:
Hold a rally in a park, hold a rally in the dark. Just make sure you aren't a disruption...sorry, but disruption is what leads to change, not words spoken from a place that is too easy to ignore.
It's an insult to those who are racially profiled and abused to say this movement is misguided. People rag on the young generation for being apathetic, but as soon as they put their money on the barrel they are misguided and not genuine.
I don't have the answers, but to incur the wrath and jeopardize the safety of others? Seems fucked up.
And when I talk about wrath, it's spoken more to those who need the police, EMT's, firefighters as quickly as possible - who are either trying to preserve peace at the protest site or can't get through the gathering itself.
(also aware of the irony that could be taken from the above statement)
It's the nature of civil disobedience, and it's the only way it is effective.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Not if there was an environment set up to give platform to a diametric opposition with the full intent to resolve on the part of the listener. Listening causes no contention.rgambs said:
If the positions are diametrically opposed the passion will only cause contention.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Unless the opposition passion that went into discussions and came to a resolve, left and spread the message with that equal positive passion to sway others it wouldn't be so fractious would it?rgambs said:
Among those on the same side of an issue, yes of course. Once a resolve is found, swaying the opposition is much more fractious.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
So can we agree that societal issues ideally can be settled through discussions until a resolve is found.rgambs said:
Ideally, yes.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Before leaving the meetings and discussions would an agreement be in place as to where and how to deliver the message to the streets?rgambs said:
Meetings and discussions first, then take your concise message to the streets for disruption.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
So would the occupy movement better been served doing it elsewhere perhaps through meetings and discussions on a more stable podium? - council if you willrgambs said:
Not effective, but I don't see the relevance. Disruption is not the only factor that creates success, you also need some organization and a clear message...both of which were severely lacking.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Occupy Wall Street went well don't you think? -very effective.rgambs said:
Think of all the greatest moments throughout world history when a people stood for change and made an impact...hedonist said:
The protests here a couple of months ago involved many walking en masse on a local freeway at night. I don't doubt some were sincere in their efforts, but how stupid to put yourself - and others who are just trying to get home - at such risk?rgambs said:
Hold a rally in a park, hold a rally in the dark. Just make sure you aren't a disruption...sorry, but disruption is what leads to change, not words spoken from a place that is too easy to ignore.
It's an insult to those who are racially profiled and abused to say this movement is misguided. People rag on the young generation for being apathetic, but as soon as they put their money on the barrel they are misguided and not genuine.
I don't have the answers, but to incur the wrath and jeopardize the safety of others? Seems fucked up.
And when I talk about wrath, it's spoken more to those who need the police, EMT's, firefighters as quickly as possible - who are either trying to preserve peace at the protest site or can't get through the gathering itself.
(also aware of the irony that could be taken from the above statement)
It's the nature of civil disobedience, and it's the only way it is effective.0 -
I don't think that's the biggest fact at all. That's nice for secure middle-class families, but it isn't much consolation for those mired in deep poverty.BS44325 said:
Except you miss the biggest fact of all which is cost of living. Red states are so much more affordable that your other statistics are pretty much meaningless. Remember when people on here used to be concerned about income inequality? Again that is pretty much a blue state phenomenon where the cost of living is so damn high.rgambs said:
I prefer facts...those pesky things that show the higher rates of poverty, government dependence, unemployment, and so on.BS44325 said:
It's called Liberty. It's an inhalational.rgambs said:
Whatever drugs you are on, you need to share with the rest of us!BS44325 said:
I don't listen to either...sorry. Watch Morning Joe on MSNBC every morning and Special Report with Bret Baier on Fox when I can but that's about it for me.rgambs said:BS44325 said:
Baltimore is liberal reality. It is what happens when you let progressives run a city for 50 years. The same thing happened to Detroit. Abandoned downtown cores, horrible schools, tons of poverty, hopelessness. Not a republican in site. Practice all the civil disobedience you want but nothing will change until you leave your failed policies behind. Deal with that reality.backseatLover12 said:
Gimme's post is spot on for this thread. Frank's? His is off topic. We are discussing republicans and how they are at war with reality…Dirtie_Frank said:
I am not sure it is spot on. I want less government telling me what to do and both Dems and Repubs seem to think they know what is right for you and me. So if you want some politician telling you how to live have at it.callen said:
Derailed and think Gimmies post was spot on for this thread.gimmesometruth27 said:the answer is very simple.
the world, and this country is changing. republicans do not want change. they do not want the status quo to change. as a strategy, they lie and lie and lie and deny deny deny, as if being dishonest and being in denial will make the changes go away.
look at the changes since 2001.
we are war weary and do not want war. republicans have never met a war they didn't like.
american has always been tight with israel. many americans are waking up. not the republicans.
the majority of americans want gays to be able to marry. republicans don't.
majority of americans want legal marijuana. republicans don't.
a vast majority of americans feel that climate change is man made and want action on global warming. republicans don't
most americans want religion out of politics. republicans want the 2 to be hand in hand.
most americans want the super wealthy to pay more in taxes. republicans don't.
most americans oppose citizens united. republicans feel that money is speech.
most americans want abortion to be legal and convenient to have if necessary. republicans don't.
most americans want an increase in minimum wage. republicans don't.
most americans want wall street reform. republicans don't.
more and more americans want medicare for all, or a single payer insurance system. republicans don't.
there are more, but these are the few that just popped to mind.
look at that list. republicans are on the wrong side of every one of them, and as a result, on the wrong side of history.
if you are a party who sees the writing on the wall in a changing world and you want to stop the change, what are you going to do? lie and deny and hope it goes away.
In starting this thread, it is about the insistence of a political party to live in never never land rather than to get with it and address real issues with realistic strategies. They do not.
And your explanation for the shining beacons of success that are the red states of the south? Not a Democrat in sight and yet tons of poverty, hopelessness, and the highest rates of government dependence in the states. By far.
Failed policies. Deal with that reality as well.
Do you seriously not listen to Rush and Hannity? You jump into nearly every discussion with the same arguments I hear on those shows, nearly verbatim and within a day or two of tthem.
And without a doubt the economies and job opportunities are better in pretty much every "red" state. Does that mean they don't have poverty? Of course not but there is a reason why New York, Illinois, Maryland, California etc are going down the toilet while Texas and other states are growing. Liberal policies in the era of Hope and Change are imploding.
Texas and Florida are notable exceptions... Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana and so on... Shining examples of the success of Republican governance for sure!
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/04/opinion/sunday/is-life-better-in-americas-red-states.html?referrer=&_r=0Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Not if there was an environment set up to give platform to a diametric opposition with the full intent to resolve on the part of the listener. Listening causes no contention.rgambs said:
If the positions are diametrically opposed the passion will only cause contention.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Unless the opposition passion that went into discussions and came to a resolve, left and spread the message with that equal positive passion to sway others it wouldn't be so fractious would it?rgambs said:
Among those on the same side of an issue, yes of course. Once a resolve is found, swaying the opposition is much more fractious.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
So can we agree that societal issues ideally can be settled through discussions until a resolve is found.rgambs said:
Ideally, yes.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Before leaving the meetings and discussions would an agreement be in place as to where and how to deliver the message to the streets?rgambs said:
Meetings and discussions first, then take your concise message to the streets for disruption.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
So would the occupy movement better been served doing it elsewhere perhaps through meetings and discussions on a more stable podium? - council if you willrgambs said:
Not effective, but I don't see the relevance. Disruption is not the only factor that creates success, you also need some organization and a clear message...both of which were severely lacking.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Occupy Wall Street went well don't you think? -very effective.rgambs said:
Think of all the greatest moments throughout world history when a people stood for change and made an impact...hedonist said:
The protests here a couple of months ago involved many walking en masse on a local freeway at night. I don't doubt some were sincere in their efforts, but how stupid to put yourself - and others who are just trying to get home - at such risk?rgambs said:
Hold a rally in a park, hold a rally in the dark. Just make sure you aren't a disruption...sorry, but disruption is what leads to change, not words spoken from a place that is too easy to ignore.
It's an insult to those who are racially profiled and abused to say this movement is misguided. People rag on the young generation for being apathetic, but as soon as they put their money on the barrel they are misguided and not genuine.
I don't have the answers, but to incur the wrath and jeopardize the safety of others? Seems fucked up.
And when I talk about wrath, it's spoken more to those who need the police, EMT's, firefighters as quickly as possible - who are either trying to preserve peace at the protest site or can't get through the gathering itself.
(also aware of the irony that could be taken from the above statement)
It's the nature of civil disobedience, and it's the only way it is effective.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Listening also causes no action. Listening is only the first step. Laws aren't passed by listening, obviously.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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Laws are passed from listening, yes they are.rgambs said:Listening also causes no action. Listening is only the first step. Laws aren't passed by listening, obviously.
Once everything has been spelt.0 -
amazing, I guess only when it comes to this topic ey? "BS44325 said:
Baltimore is liberal reality. It is what happens when you let progressives run a city for 50 years. The same thing happened to Detroit. Abandoned downtown cores, horrible schools, tons of poverty, hopelessness. Not a republican in site. Practice all the civil disobedience you want but nothing will change until you leave your failed policies behind. Deal with that reality.backseatLover12 said:
Gimme's post is spot on for this thread. Frank's? His is off topic. We are discussing republicans and how they are at war with reality…Dirtie_Frank said:
I am not sure it is spot on. I want less government telling me what to do and both Dems and Repubs seem to think they know what is right for you and me. So if you want some politician telling you how to live have at it.callen said:
Derailed and think Gimmies post was spot on for this thread.gimmesometruth27 said:the answer is very simple.
the world, and this country is changing. republicans do not want change. they do not want the status quo to change. as a strategy, they lie and lie and lie and deny deny deny, as if being dishonest and being in denial will make the changes go away.
look at the changes since 2001.
we are war weary and do not want war. republicans have never met a war they didn't like.
american has always been tight with israel. many americans are waking up. not the republicans.
the majority of americans want gays to be able to marry. republicans don't.
majority of americans want legal marijuana. republicans don't.
a vast majority of americans feel that climate change is man made and want action on global warming. republicans don't
most americans want religion out of politics. republicans want the 2 to be hand in hand.
most americans want the super wealthy to pay more in taxes. republicans don't.
most americans oppose citizens united. republicans feel that money is speech.
most americans want abortion to be legal and convenient to have if necessary. republicans don't.
most americans want an increase in minimum wage. republicans don't.
most americans want wall street reform. republicans don't.
more and more americans want medicare for all, or a single payer insurance system. republicans don't.
there are more, but these are the few that just popped to mind.
look at that list. republicans are on the wrong side of every one of them, and as a result, on the wrong side of history.
if you are a party who sees the writing on the wall in a changing world and you want to stop the change, what are you going to do? lie and deny and hope it goes away.
In starting this thread, it is about the insistence of a political party to live in never never land rather than to get with it and address real issues with realistic strategies. They do not.
Hypocrisy, brutality, the elite, all of which are an American Dream."0 -
Whatta smile you gave me with this! I'd not only be willing but honored.benjs said:
hedo - it's always so pleasant disagreeing with you! I know you reject binary thinking and see the shades of grey, and that in turn makes me realize that I probably ought to be seeing those shades toohedonist said:
Not defensive by any means - chuckling a bit, actually. Never had someone come at me like this throughout my years here.backseatLover12 said:Hedonist, your emotions are showing, getting defensive again?
I'm not sure when or where this strange hard-on for me began, but it'd be great for you, me and the rest of the members if you kept it to yourself.
Back on topic, I appreciate where gambs is coming from, as I do with benjs' getting what I was saying.
Sometimes it feels tough to get a point across that wide field
Whether we meet closer to my end of the field or yours is irrelevant, so long as we're willing to walk when the logic presents itself.
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hedonist said:
Whatta smile you gave me with this! I'd not only be willing but honored.benjs said:
hedo - it's always so pleasant disagreeing with you! I know you reject binary thinking and see the shades of grey, and that in turn makes me realize that I probably ought to be seeing those shades toohedonist said:
Not defensive by any means - chuckling a bit, actually. Never had someone come at me like this throughout my years here.backseatLover12 said:Hedonist, your emotions are showing, getting defensive again?
I'm not sure when or where this strange hard-on for me began, but it'd be great for you, me and the rest of the members if you kept it to yourself.
Back on topic, I appreciate where gambs is coming from, as I do with benjs' getting what I was saying.
Sometimes it feels tough to get a point across that wide field
Whether we meet closer to my end of the field or yours is irrelevant, so long as we're willing to walk when the logic presents itself.
And we should probably all smoke a joint together wherever we end up on the field.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 10 -
Bahahaha. You were the one who told her they were "showing". Hahaha.....backseatLover12 said:Keep your emotions about me to yourself.
By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
If only more people could stop with getting personal with each other and just discuss the topic...rgambs said:0 -
If you're alluding to the past few pages, I saw no attack, and yet I saw a total effort on your part to make one up based on someone's disagreement with you. If only more people took their own advice they give others...backseatLover12 said:
If only more people could stop with getting personal with each other and just discuss the topic...rgambs said:'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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