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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    23scidoo said:
    Well I'm definitely reading this now
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  • mickeyrat said:
    So 300 people weren't killed and the hospital is still intact? 

    This is why I don't care for twitter quips.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,637
    mickeyrat said:


    Picture seems to support IDF claim this was damage from a misfired IJ rocket, as there is no crater. IDF also claims to have intercepted Hamas communication admitting guilt as to cause of this tragedy.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    mickeyrat said:


    Picture seems to support IDF claim this was damage from a misfired IJ rocket, as there is no crater. IDF also claims to have intercepted Hamas communication admitting guilt as to cause of this tragedy.
    I believe US intelligence is saying evidence points to that too. 
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    No war crime here, just defending themselves?

    Palestinian health ministry says an estimated 200 to 300 people killed in Israeli strike on hospital in Gaza


    Why was it that everyone instantly blamed Israel for this attack? Most media jumped on this and instantly blamed Israel. Biden came out this morning and says that he thinks it was the other team after seeing actual evidence, not CNN reports. 
  • JB16057 said:
    No war crime here, just defending themselves?

    Palestinian health ministry says an estimated 200 to 300 people killed in Israeli strike on hospital in Gaza


    Why was it that everyone instantly blamed Israel for this attack? Most media jumped on this and instantly blamed Israel. Biden came out this morning and says that he thinks it was the other team after seeing actual evidence, not CNN reports. 
    Because maybe Israel has been dropping some inordinate amount of bombs on Gaza since the conflict began and has hit, whether purposely or not, civilian infrastructure like medical personnel, members of the press, hospitals, etc. in the past? Just a guess. Maybe take a look at the list of hospitals previously destroyed prior to this one? Just another suggestion.

    Key operative words, “he thinks.” Brandon doesn’t “know.” Regardless of who committed the act, it’s horrible.
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    JB16057 said:
    No war crime here, just defending themselves?

    Palestinian health ministry says an estimated 200 to 300 people killed in Israeli strike on hospital in Gaza


    Why was it that everyone instantly blamed Israel for this attack? Most media jumped on this and instantly blamed Israel. Biden came out this morning and says that he thinks it was the other team after seeing actual evidence, not CNN reports. 
    Because maybe Israel has been dropping some inordinate amount of bombs on Gaza since the conflict began and has hit, whether purposely or not, civilian infrastructure like medical personnel, members of the press, hospitals, etc. in the past? Just a guess. Maybe take a look at the list of hospitals previously destroyed prior to this one? Just another suggestion.

    Key operative words, “he thinks.” Brandon doesn’t “know.” Regardless of who committed the act, it’s horrible.
    Brandon wouldn't lie to you. 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,637
    Man that denialism reads just like a Maggie three names tweet.
  • JB16057 said:
    No war crime here, just defending themselves?

    Palestinian health ministry says an estimated 200 to 300 people killed in Israeli strike on hospital in Gaza


    Why was it that everyone instantly blamed Israel for this attack? Most media jumped on this and instantly blamed Israel. Biden came out this morning and says that he thinks it was the other team after seeing actual evidence, not CNN reports. 
    so are you actually believing brandon for once?
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  • Man that denialism reads just like a Maggie three names tweet.
    Still believing Israel has clean hands in this conflict, currently and from 1948 onward, I see? Talk about denialism. Funny, you never responded to specific examples I posed to you, why was that?
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    JB16057 said:
    No war crime here, just defending themselves?

    Palestinian health ministry says an estimated 200 to 300 people killed in Israeli strike on hospital in Gaza


    Why was it that everyone instantly blamed Israel for this attack? Most media jumped on this and instantly blamed Israel. Biden came out this morning and says that he thinks it was the other team after seeing actual evidence, not CNN reports. 
    Truth is the first casualty of war as they say.  Verdict is still out.  Unless video evidence comes to light we probably won't know.  If it was a more advanced missile vs a low yield rocket that is typical of Hamas then we will likely have a better idea. 
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,637
    Man that denialism reads just like a Maggie three names tweet.
    Still believing Israel has clean hands in this conflict, currently and from 1948 onward, I see? Talk about denialism. Funny, you never responded to specific examples I posed to you, why was that?
     Why respond, you hate the zionists, they are wrong no matter what. Until the hatred ends and both sides give and take, this crap will continue. 

    Is there any evidence Palestinians were ever willing to negotiate for peace? Syria and Egypt walked away from the bargaining table yesterday with Biden because of fake news provided by a terror organization that was rushed to the public.

     Why stop at 1948? Why not tal hei or the Hebron massacre?

    Todays news is about the worldwide media trusting the word of a terror organization that’s on the same level as ISIS. 


  • Man that denialism reads just like a Maggie three names tweet.
    Still believing Israel has clean hands in this conflict, currently and from 1948 onward, I see? Talk about denialism. Funny, you never responded to specific examples I posed to you, why was that?
     Why respond, you hate the zionists, they are wrong no matter what. Until the hatred ends and both sides give and take, this crap will continue. 

    Is there any evidence Palestinians were ever willing to negotiate for peace? Syria and Egypt walked away from the bargaining table yesterday with Biden because of fake news provided by a terror organization that was rushed to the public.

     Why stop at 1948? Why not tal hei or the Hebron massacre?

    Todays news is about the worldwide media trusting the word of a terror organization that’s on the same level as ISIS. 


    What level do you place Israel? South Africa apartheid level or Sweden level? Maybe EU level? As it relates to democratic ideals and the inclusion of Palestinians and arabs within Israel proper and the West Bank and Gaza?

    Why respond to someone who has placed all Palestinians at animal level? Yes, I hate right wing authoritarian governments and terrorist organizations regardless of religion. Can you say the same?

    Far right orthodox Israelis were spiting on Christians at the Western Wall days before the terrorist attacks. Are you okay with that as well? And why go back before 1948 when you won’t speak to events less than a generation or two away?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    Man that denialism reads just like a Maggie three names tweet.
    Still believing Israel has clean hands in this conflict, currently and from 1948 onward, I see? Talk about denialism. Funny, you never responded to specific examples I posed to you, why was that?
     Why respond, you hate the zionists, they are wrong no matter what. Until the hatred ends and both sides give and take, this crap will continue. 

    Is there any evidence Palestinians were ever willing to negotiate for peace? Syria and Egypt walked away from the bargaining table yesterday with Biden because of fake news provided by a terror organization that was rushed to the public.

     Why stop at 1948? Why not tal hei or the Hebron massacre?

    Todays news is about the worldwide media trusting the word of a terror organization that’s on the same level as ISIS. 


    You say "Palestinians"  and "terror organization" here in the same statement in such a way that could be construed to mean you see those as one in the same.  Do you believe that?
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Man that denialism reads just like a Maggie three names tweet.
    Still believing Israel has clean hands in this conflict, currently and from 1948 onward, I see? Talk about denialism. Funny, you never responded to specific examples I posed to you, why was that?
     Why respond, you hate the zionists, they are wrong no matter what. Until the hatred ends and both sides give and take, this crap will continue. 

    Is there any evidence Palestinians were ever willing to negotiate for peace? Syria and Egypt walked away from the bargaining table yesterday with Biden because of fake news provided by a terror organization that was rushed to the public.

     Why stop at 1948? Why not tal hei or the Hebron massacre?

    Todays news is about the worldwide media trusting the word of a terror organization that’s on the same level as ISIS. 


    Has that actually been proven yet or is that just an allied talking point?  I trust the IDF and US Govt to give me an accurate picture as much as I trust Hamas.  Until we have video evidence or fragments of the missile/rocket evaluated by outside investigators I will reserve my judgement on who blasted the hospital.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    I trust our government more than I trust Hamas.
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,145
    static111 said:
    Man that denialism reads just like a Maggie three names tweet.
    Still believing Israel has clean hands in this conflict, currently and from 1948 onward, I see? Talk about denialism. Funny, you never responded to specific examples I posed to you, why was that?
     Why respond, you hate the zionists, they are wrong no matter what. Until the hatred ends and both sides give and take, this crap will continue. 

    Is there any evidence Palestinians were ever willing to negotiate for peace? Syria and Egypt walked away from the bargaining table yesterday with Biden because of fake news provided by a terror organization that was rushed to the public.

     Why stop at 1948? Why not tal hei or the Hebron massacre?

    Todays news is about the worldwide media trusting the word of a terror organization that’s on the same level as ISIS. 


    Has that actually been proven yet or is that just an allied talking point?  I trust the IDF and US Govt to give me an accurate picture as much as I trust Hamas.  Until we have video evidence or fragments of the missile/rocket evaluated by outside investigators I will reserve my judgement on who blasted the hospital.
    It seems to me that Israeli and Palestinian leadership have a history of participating in dis/misinformation and/or of not allowing third-party investigations. Add to that the difficulty of a forensics engineering assessment in the middle of an active war zone, and I don't see this ever being known. Reserving judgment is prudent, but most will simply draw conclusions that fit their internal narratives. 

    I'm curious - does anyone else just find themselves not caring to talk about this anymore, with the knowledge that even public pressure doesn't sway the region's leaders or inhabitants to act or think any differently? It seems people just firmly plant their feet (and heads) in the sand in a debate situation now, and it feels like an entirely empty gesture with no chance to even learn something you didn't know before. And then if you did learn - so what? What would you do with it that would amount to anything? It almost feels like a promotional poster in support of apathy.
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  • mace1229 said:
    I trust our government more than I trust Hamas.
    even brandon?
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,451
    benjs said: 

    I'm curious - does anyone else just find themselves not caring to talk about this anymore, with the knowledge that even public pressure doesn't sway the region's leaders or inhabitants to act or think any differently? It seems people just firmly plant their feet (and heads) in the sand in a debate situation now, and it feels like an entirely empty gesture with no chance to even learn something you didn't know before. And then if you did learn - so what? What would you do with it that would amount to anything? It almost feels like a promotional poster in support of apathy.
    It's hard not to lean toward apathy... they've been fighting there for way longer than we've existed and will almost certainly be fighting long after we're gone. 

    Add to that the state of the world in 2023 w/ heightened tensions seemingly everywhere and propaganda & disinformation traveling at a faster rate than ever... it definitely feels like any sort of good faith discussion is just shoveling shit against the tide. 
  • benjs said:
    static111 said:
    Man that denialism reads just like a Maggie three names tweet.
    Still believing Israel has clean hands in this conflict, currently and from 1948 onward, I see? Talk about denialism. Funny, you never responded to specific examples I posed to you, why was that?
     Why respond, you hate the zionists, they are wrong no matter what. Until the hatred ends and both sides give and take, this crap will continue. 

    Is there any evidence Palestinians were ever willing to negotiate for peace? Syria and Egypt walked away from the bargaining table yesterday with Biden because of fake news provided by a terror organization that was rushed to the public.

     Why stop at 1948? Why not tal hei or the Hebron massacre?

    Todays news is about the worldwide media trusting the word of a terror organization that’s on the same level as ISIS. 


    Has that actually been proven yet or is that just an allied talking point?  I trust the IDF and US Govt to give me an accurate picture as much as I trust Hamas.  Until we have video evidence or fragments of the missile/rocket evaluated by outside investigators I will reserve my judgement on who blasted the hospital.
    It seems to me that Israeli and Palestinian leadership have a history of participating in dis/misinformation and/or of not allowing third-party investigations. Add to that the difficulty of a forensics engineering assessment in the middle of an active war zone, and I don't see this ever being known. Reserving judgment is prudent, but most will simply draw conclusions that fit their internal narratives. 

    I'm curious - does anyone else just find themselves not caring to talk about this anymore, with the knowledge that even public pressure doesn't sway the region's leaders or inhabitants to act or think any differently? It seems people just firmly plant their feet (and heads) in the sand in a debate situation now, and it feels like an entirely empty gesture with no chance to even learn something you didn't know before. And then if you did learn - so what? What would you do with it that would amount to anything? It almost feels like a promotional poster in support of apathy.
    i was just thinking this yesterday. my twitter feed is nothing but this conflict. I'm sure partially through my own algorithmic behaviour. But man, I can't keep seeing these posts of headless babies and dead people all over the place. everyone blaming each other. can't believe ANY news source anymore. 
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  • 23scidoo said:
    brianlux said:
    23scidoo said:
    brianlux said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    23scidoo said:
    tbergs said:
    mickeyrat said:
    These extremist posts are just a bunch of propaganda bullshit. Go ahead and cue up the 1/06 footage and let the rest of the world see that the US is a nation of psychopaths.
    the us IS a nation of psychopaths though. the rest of the world has known that for 20 years.
    Trust me, more than 20..
    yeah true. i guess its been 20 since i have been certain of it.
    Yea because everywhere else in this incredible world people are way normal. Kinda of ridiculous to limit it to one country. Especially one that is supposedly a melting pot of people from all over the world. 
    You don't want to know what the rest incredible world people thinks about the americans..lol..
    oh i am quite aware. i have dated women from different countries and i have heard all about it.

    the fact that we have 70 million people that voted for trump and would gladly do so again without question is proof enough that this nation is full of psychopaths.
    There is another word we often use , not the psychopath..lol..

    To tell you the truth, sometimes I think the whole world has lost it's marbles.  Except maybe the Fijians.  I know people who have lived there and they sound like the really have their shit together- and a big part of that is that they don't get hung up about wanting to have a lot of shit.  Their relationships and enjoying life are far more important than stuff
    The north Europe is the happiest place on earth..

    Yeah, come to think of it, I know a young couple who lived in Sweden for a few years a liked it a lot except for having a hard time finding a place to live.
    I wish all places could be happy places. 
    Here's something from Heather Cox-Richardson that sounds hopeful anyway:

    “There are two very different visions for the future and what the Middle East can and should be,” Blinken said today. The U.S. stands behind a vision “that has countries in the region normalizing their relations, integrating, working together in common purpose, and upholding and bringing forth the rights and aspirations of the Palestinian people.” 

    The other vision is the one Hamas embraces: “a vision of death, of destruction, of nihilism, of terrorism. That’s a vision that does nothing to advance aspirations for Palestinians, that does nothing to help create better futures for people in the region, and does everything to bring total darkness to everyone that it’s able to affect.”

    The visions are clear, Blinken said. He said he had no doubt that the overwhelming majority of people in the region would choose the first if given the chance. So it is the responsibility of “all of us who believe in that first path…to make it real, to bring it to light, to make it a clear, affirmative choice. And that’s what we’re determined to do…. If we do that, everyone in this region will be in a much better place and so will the rest of the world.”


    Shocked to see Israel in the top 5 of happiest places to live. Canada is #13. US is 15. Greece doesn't even crack the top 50. lol
    I can see how whappy it is to live on the States every day on the news..lol..
    sure, we are not the happiest place in Earth to live..the most beautiful place in the world??..99%..
    and also we know how to live life..but why you mention Greece??..
    are you obsessed??..
    obsessed? with what? get over yourself. just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy of you constantly shitting on everyone else's country while the country you live in is in shambles. 

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  • benjs said:
    static111 said:
    Man that denialism reads just like a Maggie three names tweet.
    Still believing Israel has clean hands in this conflict, currently and from 1948 onward, I see? Talk about denialism. Funny, you never responded to specific examples I posed to you, why was that?
     Why respond, you hate the zionists, they are wrong no matter what. Until the hatred ends and both sides give and take, this crap will continue. 

    Is there any evidence Palestinians were ever willing to negotiate for peace? Syria and Egypt walked away from the bargaining table yesterday with Biden because of fake news provided by a terror organization that was rushed to the public.

     Why stop at 1948? Why not tal hei or the Hebron massacre?

    Todays news is about the worldwide media trusting the word of a terror organization that’s on the same level as ISIS. 


    Has that actually been proven yet or is that just an allied talking point?  I trust the IDF and US Govt to give me an accurate picture as much as I trust Hamas.  Until we have video evidence or fragments of the missile/rocket evaluated by outside investigators I will reserve my judgement on who blasted the hospital.
    It seems to me that Israeli and Palestinian leadership have a history of participating in dis/misinformation and/or of not allowing third-party investigations. Add to that the difficulty of a forensics engineering assessment in the middle of an active war zone, and I don't see this ever being known. Reserving judgment is prudent, but most will simply draw conclusions that fit their internal narratives. 

    I'm curious - does anyone else just find themselves not caring to talk about this anymore, with the knowledge that even public pressure doesn't sway the region's leaders or inhabitants to act or think any differently? It seems people just firmly plant their feet (and heads) in the sand in a debate situation now, and it feels like an entirely empty gesture with no chance to even learn something you didn't know before. And then if you did learn - so what? What would you do with it that would amount to anything? It almost feels like a promotional poster in support of apathy.
    i was just thinking this yesterday. my twitter feed is nothing but this conflict. I'm sure partially through my own algorithmic behaviour. But man, I can't keep seeing these posts of headless babies and dead people all over the place. everyone blaming each other. can't believe ANY news source anymore. 
    it is the platform and the changes musk has made. anybody can pay to have their voice amplified and flat out lies are not checked and are allowed to spread there. its a fucking cesspool. the only tweets i see now are the ones mickey posts here, and i do not even click on those because i refuse to visit that hell site.
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    JB16057 said:
    No war crime here, just defending themselves?

    Palestinian health ministry says an estimated 200 to 300 people killed in Israeli strike on hospital in Gaza


    Why was it that everyone instantly blamed Israel for this attack? Most media jumped on this and instantly blamed Israel. Biden came out this morning and says that he thinks it was the other team after seeing actual evidence, not CNN reports. 
    so are you actually believing brandon for once?
    I have believed some things that Brandon has said in the past and have expressed that here. I don't believe in rushing to judgement and it should be alarming to us all that American media picked up on that story, instantly blames Israel and ran with that story. Democrat politicians have done the same thing. 
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    JB16057 said:
    No war crime here, just defending themselves?

    Palestinian health ministry says an estimated 200 to 300 people killed in Israeli strike on hospital in Gaza


    Why was it that everyone instantly blamed Israel for this attack? Most media jumped on this and instantly blamed Israel. Biden came out this morning and says that he thinks it was the other team after seeing actual evidence, not CNN reports. 
    Because maybe Israel has been dropping some inordinate amount of bombs on Gaza since the conflict began and has hit, whether purposely or not, civilian infrastructure like medical personnel, members of the press, hospitals, etc. in the past? Just a guess. Maybe take a look at the list of hospitals previously destroyed prior to this one? Just another suggestion.

    Key operative words, “he thinks.” Brandon doesn’t “know.” Regardless of who committed the act, it’s horrible.
    This is a bad look for you. Just own the quick judgement and move on. We all make judgments based on the info we have and this appeared much worse and different then it seems it turned out to be.
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  • JB16057 said:
    No war crime here, just defending themselves?

    Palestinian health ministry says an estimated 200 to 300 people killed in Israeli strike on hospital in Gaza


    Why was it that everyone instantly blamed Israel for this attack? Most media jumped on this and instantly blamed Israel. Biden came out this morning and says that he thinks it was the other team after seeing actual evidence, not CNN reports. 
    Because maybe Israel has been dropping some inordinate amount of bombs on Gaza since the conflict began and has hit, whether purposely or not, civilian infrastructure like medical personnel, members of the press, hospitals, etc. in the past? Just a guess. Maybe take a look at the list of hospitals previously destroyed prior to this one? Just another suggestion.

    Key operative words, “he thinks.” Brandon doesn’t “know.” Regardless of who committed the act, it’s horrible.
    This is a bad look for you. Just own the quick judgement and move on. We all make judgments based on the info we have and this appeared much worse and different then it seems it turned out to be.
    And yet, without independent analysis and an investigation, we still don’t “know” who is to blame, do we? That said, it’s not like Israel hasn’t bombed hospitals before, now have they?

    The “info” is still in question, isn’t it?
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