Some here are displeased with others here who believe there is too much support for the Palestinians, especially with the recent attacks of the Hamas. I think we all agree that the Hamas attacks inflicted terrible harm and death to innocent people. I think some of us agree that the retaliatory measures of Israel are extreme in that they also cause terrible harm and death to innocent people (if you don't believe children are innocent, we have nothing to talk about).
So what I sincerely would like to know is that those of you who are displeased with those here who believe the Israeli retaliation is the wrong way to go and you believe that children are innocent victims, how do you propose this conflict be settled? Do you believe dead children are collateral damage and that's just too bad? If not, what solutions do you propose.
Perhaps for a minute we can stop talking the pointless back and worth here and talk about solutions.
Bri, I have been talking non stop since Monday about the Oslo accords, which are signed documents by Palestinian leadership in the 1990s spelling out a path to sharing the West Bank. Bush tried to bring Palestine back to the table, as did Obama. Did one commenter here lift one finger to understand what I was talking about?
the current West Bank “occupation” is spelled out precisely in these signed peace treaties. Did any of the left wing haters of Israel , who find my views laughable and nothing but talking points, bother to understand these agreements and how the occupied land is actually spelled out precisely in the agreements?
have any other commenters been calling for negotiation of the West Bank? The reason I switched to the West Bank was the unending commentary here about “occupation” while Gaza invaded southern Israel and murdered 1500 civilians, who were given not 24 hours notice, but zero notice.
Oh yes, the Oslo Accords. Funny that. Did you mention that Rabin walked away when it became politically untenable to deliver thus paving the way for Bibi? Israel and its voters don't own that, right? Yet, the Palestinians own Hamas, right? Further, you mention the West Bank as if it was supposed to be shared but in reality, was it? Or did Israel take all the best parts, wall them off and restrict access to Palestinians? Was there freedom of movement for the Palestinians? Was not the most water rich, arid land sectioned off for Israel, over time? Were the Palestinians not treated like uninvited guests from 1993 onward? You post as if that history doesn't exist and is some kind of left wing, Palestinian propaganda. Please. We're all not as ill-informed or ignorant of the history as you assume.
Seeing how you like the way back machine and where it takes you, lets discuss the following, shall we?
March 16, 2003: Tell us who Rachel Corrie is, how she died and who killed her, please? Who owns it?
1995: Yitzhak Rabin is assassinated: Tell us by whom and why? Who owns that?
1985: Jonathan Pollard is arrested. Who owns that? And guess who raves about it? At the time of his release from federal prison in Butner, N.C., in 2015, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said: "As someone who raised Jonathan's case for years with successive American presidents, I had long hoped this day would come." But I guess that you're A-Okay with this, right?
September 16, 1982: Educate us on Sabra and Shatila. Who bears responsibility and who owns those events? Please.
June 8, 1967: Tell us about the USS Liberty, please. Why it was where it was, what it was doing and what happened. Then explain what was going on on terra firma. Who is responsible? Who owns it? I'm really interested in your take.
I can go further back and I'm sure I've missed a bunch in-between but I'm willing to revisit them if you are. Don't assume we're all dolts buying into the "propaganda" nor unaware of the "history." Also, please don't insult some of our intelligence by positing that Israel is innocent and doesn't have blood on their hands from over 75 years of shared history. I'll add that the above referenced track history and Israel's continued "collective punishment" tactics are eroding the good will of humanity. Just my opinion.
Second to lastly, about the 24 hours notice, it appears Hamas did advertise it but the Israeli military either ignored it or didn't take it seriously, seemingly because Bibi, remember him?, had other games to play, politically speaking. Who owns that? Much like our 9/11 and Shrub being "briefed" that they're "determined to attack us with airplanes." And Clinton having gone after terrorists and recognizing the threat and trying to do something about it (prosecuting and convicting the first WTC bombing suspects and the CIA attacker, and not blowing out the Constitution in blood lust versus GITMO, as an example).
And lastly, what are your solutions for a lasting peace? Haven't heard squat about that but I'm patient.
PS: In reference to the Oslo Accords, you used the term "precisely." They were anything but and a "framework." Stop with the revisionism and propaganda, please?
Geez Hal,I’m appreciate the effort, that’s a lot to unpack. Maybe one at a time in the future?
Firstly, I’ll revisit the wash rinse repeat. Maybe if that comment were on Wednesday, I could have peacefully digested that? But last Saturday, while 1500 Israelis were being murdered? Repeat? Do you have another example of an invasion from Gaza? I don’t think you get how harmful that comment was.
by “precisely” I am referring to areas A B and C, which still exist today. bad word selection by me. Of course that deal can be and should be improved for the Palestinians, but their only interest is the River to the Sea. How do Israelis negotiate with that? Still yet they should.
edit, I understand Rabin was assassinated and by whom, what you conveniently forgot to mention was the fifty terrorist attacks against Israeli citizens, I believe mostly by Hamas and not fatah, they swayed Israel to vote in the thug.
That’s it? History begins and ends in 1993 and with Rabin’s assassination? Unpack? Weren’t you exorcising the rest of us for our lack of knowledge before commenting?
You may want to walk back some of your blanket comments and acknowledge some of the history of the region.
Hamas... has committed an
unspeakable horror that may damage the Palestinian cause for decades to
come. Yet when Palestinians resist their oppression in ethical ways — by
calling for boycotts, sanctions and the application of international
law — the United States and its allies work to ensure that those efforts
fail, which convinces many Palestinians that ethical resistance doesn’t
work, which empowers Hamas.
The
savagery Hamas committed on Oct. 7 has made reversing this monstrous
cycle much harder. It could take a generation. It will require a shared
commitment to ending Palestinian oppression in ways that respect the
infinite value of every human life. It will require Palestinians to
forcefully oppose attacks on Jewish civilians, and Jews to support
Palestinians when they resist oppression in humane ways — even though
Palestinians and Jews who take such steps will risk making themselves
pariahs among their own people. It will require new forms of political
community, in Israel-Palestine and around the world, built around a
democratic vision powerful enough to transcend tribal divides. The
effort may fail. It has failed before. The alternative is to descend,
flags waving, into hell.
This is how I see it. People on both sides needs to start doing the right thing or forget it, all will go to hell.
And look, I'm tired it almost being implied that I am some kind of anti-Semite which is ridiculously far from the truth. SO. NOT. TRUE. I'm done here.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
These extremist posts are just a bunch of propaganda bullshit. Go ahead and cue up the 1/06 footage and let the rest of the world see that the US is a nation of psychopaths.
the us IS a nation of psychopaths though. the rest of the world has known that for 20 years.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"yes, we're bombing the shit out of civilians, but it's self defense!"
Many folks on the left have been victims of significant misinformation from left radicals repeating Palestinian lies for years. I use that term because they are far outside that of the Democratic party.
I have been attempting to provide facts and history about this terrible conflict
I put up facts this am about the history of g aza, you reply indirectly at with ridicule. And I am not getting into the weeds that the Palestinians murdered hundreds of Israelis Saturday, then ran back underneath their civilians as a human shield. I challenge you to take a closer look at this conflict
Israel has a long history of attempting to gain peace treaties with the Muslim community
This current conflict exists because Hamas and Iran are freaking out about a potential Saudi peace treaty. That should be clear to all in the west.
The problem here, L, is that your arguments are one sided. You seem to refuse to acknowledge little if any wrong doing on the part of Israel. So basically, what you are doing is using this thread to vent, not to instruct. As long as you project the viewpoint that Israel has and can do no wrong, none of this is going to change anyone's perspective.
"Israel has a long history of attempting to gain peace treaties with the Muslim community"
A real peace treaty says more than "Do it our way or no deal."
Isreal has 2 signed deals regarding west bank, ill check if the language there matches that quote
What I can say is not one commenter responded to multiple "river to the sea" comments by me. That seems equivalent to your "Do it our way or no deal."
As far as venting, a horrible attack on Saturday and I can't find one sympathetic comment, only blaming "Israelis terrorists" and occupation on that day. That sounds extremist. You heard about the Harvard law students getting into trouble blaming the attack on Israel? Good for them ...
I'll just put this here, these are the people seemingly trusted on this forum
Netanyahu's office releases photos of "babies murdered and burned" by Hamas
These extremist posts are just a bunch of propaganda bullshit. Go ahead and cue up the 1/06 footage and let the rest of the world see that the US is a nation of psychopaths.
the us IS a nation of psychopaths though. the rest of the world has known that for 20 years.
Trust me, more than 20..
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I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
These extremist posts are just a bunch of propaganda bullshit. Go ahead and cue up the 1/06 footage and let the rest of the world see that the US is a nation of psychopaths.
the us IS a nation of psychopaths though. the rest of the world has known that for 20 years.
Trust me, more than 20..
yeah true. i guess its been 20 since i have been certain of it.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
These extremist posts are just a bunch of propaganda bullshit. Go ahead and cue up the 1/06 footage and let the rest of the world see that the US is a nation of psychopaths.
the us IS a nation of psychopaths though. the rest of the world has known that for 20 years.
Trust me, more than 20..
yeah true. i guess its been 20 since i have been certain of it.
Yea because everywhere else in this incredible world people are way normal. Kinda of ridiculous to limit it to one country. Especially one that is supposedly a melting pot of people from all over the world.
These extremist posts are just a bunch of propaganda bullshit. Go ahead and cue up the 1/06 footage and let the rest of the world see that the US is a nation of psychopaths.
the us IS a nation of psychopaths though. the rest of the world has known that for 20 years.
Trust me, more than 20..
yeah true. i guess its been 20 since i have been certain of it.
Yea because everywhere else in this incredible world people are way normal. Kinda of ridiculous to limit it to one country. Especially one that is supposedly a melting pot of people from all over the world.
Such ridiculous statements generalizing entire populations is beyond stupid.
These extremist posts are just a bunch of propaganda bullshit. Go ahead and cue up the 1/06 footage and let the rest of the world see that the US is a nation of psychopaths.
the us IS a nation of psychopaths though. the rest of the world has known that for 20 years.
Trust me, more than 20..
yeah true. i guess its been 20 since i have been certain of it.
Late to the party..
Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015. Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022 EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
These extremist posts are just a bunch of propaganda bullshit. Go ahead and cue up the 1/06 footage and let the rest of the world see that the US is a nation of psychopaths.
the us IS a nation of psychopaths though. the rest of the world has known that for 20 years.
Trust me, more than 20..
yeah true. i guess its been 20 since i have been certain of it.
Yea because everywhere else in this incredible world people are way normal. Kinda of ridiculous to limit it to one country. Especially one that is supposedly a melting pot of people from all over the world.
You don't want to know what the rest incredible world people thinks about the americans..lol..
Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015. Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022 EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
These extremist posts are just a bunch of propaganda bullshit. Go ahead and cue up the 1/06 footage and let the rest of the world see that the US is a nation of psychopaths.
the us IS a nation of psychopaths though. the rest of the world has known that for 20 years.
Trust me, more than 20..
yeah true. i guess its been 20 since i have been certain of it.
Yea because everywhere else in this incredible world people are way normal. Kinda of ridiculous to limit it to one country. Especially one that is supposedly a melting pot of people from all over the world.
You don't want to know what the rest incredible world people thinks about the americans..lol..
Yet we’re the most immigrated to country in the world. BY FAR. Americans? What does that even mean. What do you think about the millions of Greek immigrants here? Are they Americans? Actually… I don’t care. I know enough about you from the vaccine thread to not give a fuck about your opinions.
These extremist posts are just a bunch of propaganda bullshit. Go ahead and cue up the 1/06 footage and let the rest of the world see that the US is a nation of psychopaths.
the us IS a nation of psychopaths though. the rest of the world has known that for 20 years.
Trust me, more than 20..
yeah true. i guess its been 20 since i have been certain of it.
Yea because everywhere else in this incredible world people are way normal. Kinda of ridiculous to limit it to one country. Especially one that is supposedly a melting pot of people from all over the world.
You don't want to know what the rest incredible world people thinks about the americans..lol..
Yet we’re the most immigrated to country in the world. BY FAR. Americans? What does that even mean. What do you think about the millions of Greek immigrants here? Are they Americans? Actually… I don’t care. I know enough about you from the vaccine thread to not give a fuck about your opinions.
Lol
I can see you don't care..you must be busy those days with Israel and Trumb..lol
Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015. Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022 EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
These extremist posts are just a bunch of propaganda bullshit. Go ahead and cue up the 1/06 footage and let the rest of the world see that the US is a nation of psychopaths.
the us IS a nation of psychopaths though. the rest of the world has known that for 20 years.
Trust me, more than 20..
yeah true. i guess its been 20 since i have been certain of it.
Yea because everywhere else in this incredible world people are way normal. Kinda of ridiculous to limit it to one country. Especially one that is supposedly a melting pot of people from all over the world.
You don't want to know what the rest incredible world people thinks about the americans..lol..
Yet we’re the most immigrated to country in the world. BY FAR. Americans? What does that even mean. What do you think about the millions of Greek immigrants here? Are they Americans? Actually… I don’t care. I know enough about you from the vaccine thread to not give a fuck about your opinions.
Lol
I can see you don't care..you must be busy those days with Israel and Trumb..lol
Yes, “thank you Israel for murdering thousands of innocent Palestinians”.
Crock of shit.
The guys sounds like a complete idiot. How the hell did he get elected Mayor of NYC? Maybe I'm missing something. I doubt it though.
Agreed but you should’ve seen the other 11 or so candidates on the ballot during primaries. And NYC won’t vote red if an actual apple was running for mayor. No other explanation for someone like deblasio to win twice. That’s the danger of one party. No one even has to try here and it shows.
Yes, “thank you Israel for murdering thousands of innocent Palestinians”.
Crock of shit.
The guys sounds like a complete idiot. How the hell did he get elected Mayor of NYC? Maybe I'm missing something. I doubt it though.
Agreed but you should’ve seen the other 11 or so candidates on the ballot during primaries. And NYC won’t vote red if an actual apple was running for mayor. No other explanation for someone like deblasio to win twice. That’s the danger of one party. No one even has to try here and it shows.
Not surprised NYC doesn't vote red- especially these days since the Republican party had become bleeding-out red- but I am surprised the Dems couldn't come up with someone better. I sometimes wonder if intelligent people in general tend to avoid politics these days. We need to reverse that trend.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
These extremist posts are just a bunch of propaganda bullshit. Go ahead and cue up the 1/06 footage and let the rest of the world see that the US is a nation of psychopaths.
the us IS a nation of psychopaths though. the rest of the world has known that for 20 years.
Trust me, more than 20..
yeah true. i guess its been 20 since i have been certain of it.
Yea because everywhere else in this incredible world people are way normal. Kinda of ridiculous to limit it to one country. Especially one that is supposedly a melting pot of people from all over the world.
You don't want to know what the rest incredible world people thinks about the americans..lol..
oh i am quite aware. i have dated women from different countries and i have heard all about it.
the fact that we have 70 million people that voted for trump and would gladly do so again without question is proof enough that this nation is full of psychopaths.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Man killed Muslim boy and wounded woman in hate crime motivated by Israeli-Hamas war, police say
By SOPHIA TAREEN
8 mins ago
CHICAGO (AP) — A 71-year-old Illinois man accused of fatally stabbing a 6-year-old boy and seriously wounding a 32-year-old woman was charged with a hate crime Sunday. Police allege he singled out the victims because of their Islamic faith and as a response to the war between Israel and Hamas.
Officers found the woman and boy late Saturday morning at a home in an unincorporated area of Plainfield Township, southwest of Chicago, the Will County Sheriff's Office said in a statement on social media.
The boy was pronounced dead at a hospital. The woman had multiple stab wounds and was expected to survive, according to the statement. An autopsy on the child showed he had also been stabbed dozens of times.
“Detectives were able to determine that both victims in this brutal attack were targeted by the suspect due to them being Muslim and the on-going Middle Eastern conflict involving Hamas and the Israelis,” the sheriff's statement said.
According to the Will County sheriff’s office, the woman had called 911 to report that her landlord had attacked her with a knife, adding she then ran into a bathroom and continued to fight him off.
The man suspected in the attack was found Saturday outside the home and “sitting upright outside on the ground near the driveway of the residence” with a cut on his forehead, authorities said.
Joseph M. Czuba of Plainfield was charged with first-degree murder, attempted first-degree murder, two counts of hate crimes and aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, according to the sheriff's office. He was in custody Sunday and awaiting a court appearance.
Attempts to reach Czuba or a family member were unsuccessful Sunday. His home phone number was unlisted. Messages left for possible relatives in online records and on social media were not immediately returned. The sheriff’s office and county public defender's office did not immediately return messages about Czuba's legal representation.
Authorities did not release the names of the two victims.
But the boy's paternal uncle, Yousef Hannon, spoke at a news conference Sunday hosted by the Chicago chapter Council on American-Islamic Relations where the boy was identified as Wadea Al-Fayoume, a Palestinian-American boy who had recently turned 6. The organization identified the other victim as the boy's mother.
“We are not animals, we are humans. We want people to see us as humans, to feel us as humans, to deal with us as humans, because this is what we are,” said Hannon, a Palestinian-American who emigrated to the U.S. in 1999 to work, including as a public school teacher.
The Muslim civil liberties organization called the crime “our worst nightmare,” and part of a disturbing spike in hate calls and emails since the outbreak of the Israel-Hamas war. The group cited text messages exchanged among family members that showed the attacker had made disparaging remarks about Muslims.
“Palestinians basically, again, with their hearts broken over what’s happening to their people,” said Ahmed Rehab, the group's executive director, “have to also worry about the immediate safety of life and limb living here in this most free of democracies in the world.”
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Associated Press reporters Jesse Bedayn in Denver contributed to this report.
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U.S. officials signal pressure on Israel to address Gaza crisis By Claire Parker, Kareem Fahim and Karen DeYoung October 15, 2023 at 19:01 ET CAIRO — Biden administration officials signaled Sunday that they were trying to mitigate the humanitarian consequences of an expected Israeli ground invasion of the Gaza Strip, even as the Palestinian death toll from airstrikes continued to rise and aid earmarked for the enclave remained stuck in Egypt. National security adviser Jake Sullivan, during an appearance on CNN’s “State of the Union,” said people in Gaza deserved “access to water and medicine and food. And we are working actively to ensure that happens,” he said. Israel had agreed to turn on “the water pipe,” he said, but only to southern Gaza. President Biden, in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS’ “60 Minutes,” told interviewer Scott Pelley that he thought an Israeli occupation of Gaza would be “a big mistake” and sought to draw a distinction between Hamas and ordinary Palestinians. “Hamas and the extreme elements of Hamas don’t represent all the Palestinian people,” Biden added, referring to the Palestinian militant group’s surprise incursions into Israel last week, which killed 1,400 civilians and soldiers. And the State Department announced Sunday it had designated David Satterfield, a seasoned diplomat, as a special envoy for “Middle East humanitarian issues,” with a mandate to “facilitate the provision of life-saving assistance to the most vulnerable people and promote the safety of civilians.” That emphasis represented a shift for the Biden administration, which has given blanket support to Israel’s military operations in advance of a ground invasion that human rights groups say will result in large-scale civilian casualties. But there was little sign Sunday of any substantive steps toward easing the situation in Gaza, as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared that Israeli soldiers were “ready to take action at any time in order to defeat the bloodthirsty monsters who have risen against us to destroy us.”
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You may want to walk back some of your blanket comments and acknowledge some of the history of the region.
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https://x.com/msnbc/status/1712911792106602608?s=46
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The savagery Hamas committed on Oct. 7 has made reversing this monstrous cycle much harder. It could take a generation. It will require a shared commitment to ending Palestinian oppression in ways that respect the infinite value of every human life. It will require Palestinians to forcefully oppose attacks on Jewish civilians, and Jews to support Palestinians when they resist oppression in humane ways — even though Palestinians and Jews who take such steps will risk making themselves pariahs among their own people. It will require new forms of political community, in Israel-Palestine and around the world, built around a democratic vision powerful enough to transcend tribal divides. The effort may fail. It has failed before. The alternative is to descend, flags waving, into hell.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/cnn-reporter-apologizes-for-defending-israeli-claims-that-hamas-beheaded-babies-/3019286
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Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
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I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
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EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
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I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
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The guys sounds like a complete idiot. How the hell did he get elected Mayor of NYC? Maybe I'm missing something. I doubt it though.
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
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I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
Not surprised NYC doesn't vote red- especially these days since the Republican party had become bleeding-out red- but I am surprised the Dems couldn't come up with someone better. I sometimes wonder if intelligent people in general tend to avoid politics these days. We need to reverse that trend.
the fact that we have 70 million people that voted for trump and would gladly do so again without question is proof enough that this nation is full of psychopaths.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/10/middleeast/hamas-music-festival-attack-investigation-cmd-intl/
Hamas are indeed less than human. They are as bad as it gets like all other terrorists. Fuck them.
latest iteration seems modeled after Isis and their depraved brutality.
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CHICAGO (AP) — A 71-year-old Illinois man accused of fatally stabbing a 6-year-old boy and seriously wounding a 32-year-old woman was charged with a hate crime Sunday. Police allege he singled out the victims because of their Islamic faith and as a response to the war between Israel and Hamas.
Officers found the woman and boy late Saturday morning at a home in an unincorporated area of Plainfield Township, southwest of Chicago, the Will County Sheriff's Office said in a statement on social media.
The boy was pronounced dead at a hospital. The woman had multiple stab wounds and was expected to survive, according to the statement. An autopsy on the child showed he had also been stabbed dozens of times.
“Detectives were able to determine that both victims in this brutal attack were targeted by the suspect due to them being Muslim and the on-going Middle Eastern conflict involving Hamas and the Israelis,” the sheriff's statement said.
In recent days, police in U.S. cities and federal authorities have been on high alert for violence driven by antisemitic or Islamophobic sentiments. Jewish and Muslim groups have reported an increase of hateful and threatening rhetoric on social media.
According to the Will County sheriff’s office, the woman had called 911 to report that her landlord had attacked her with a knife, adding she then ran into a bathroom and continued to fight him off.
The man suspected in the attack was found Saturday outside the home and “sitting upright outside on the ground near the driveway of the residence” with a cut on his forehead, authorities said.
Joseph M. Czuba of Plainfield was charged with first-degree murder, attempted first-degree murder, two counts of hate crimes and aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, according to the sheriff's office. He was in custody Sunday and awaiting a court appearance.
Attempts to reach Czuba or a family member were unsuccessful Sunday. His home phone number was unlisted. Messages left for possible relatives in online records and on social media were not immediately returned. The sheriff’s office and county public defender's office did not immediately return messages about Czuba's legal representation.
Authorities did not release the names of the two victims.
But the boy's paternal uncle, Yousef Hannon, spoke at a news conference Sunday hosted by the Chicago chapter Council on American-Islamic Relations where the boy was identified as Wadea Al-Fayoume, a Palestinian-American boy who had recently turned 6. The organization identified the other victim as the boy's mother.
“We are not animals, we are humans. We want people to see us as humans, to feel us as humans, to deal with us as humans, because this is what we are,” said Hannon, a Palestinian-American who emigrated to the U.S. in 1999 to work, including as a public school teacher.
The Muslim civil liberties organization called the crime “our worst nightmare,” and part of a disturbing spike in hate calls and emails since the outbreak of the Israel-Hamas war. The group cited text messages exchanged among family members that showed the attacker had made disparaging remarks about Muslims.
“Palestinians basically, again, with their hearts broken over what’s happening to their people,” said Ahmed Rehab, the group's executive director, “have to also worry about the immediate safety of life and limb living here in this most free of democracies in the world.”
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Associated Press reporters Jesse Bedayn in Denver contributed to this report.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
By Claire Parker, Kareem Fahim and Karen DeYoung
October 15, 2023 at 19:01 ET
CAIRO — Biden administration officials signaled Sunday that they were trying to mitigate the humanitarian consequences of an expected Israeli ground invasion of the Gaza Strip, even as the Palestinian death toll from airstrikes continued to rise and aid earmarked for the enclave remained stuck in Egypt.
National security adviser Jake Sullivan, during an appearance on CNN’s “State of the Union,” said people in Gaza deserved “access to water and medicine and food. And we are working actively to ensure that happens,” he said. Israel had agreed to turn on “the water pipe,” he said, but only to southern Gaza.
President Biden, in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS’ “60 Minutes,” told interviewer Scott Pelley that he thought an Israeli occupation of Gaza would be “a big mistake” and sought to draw a distinction between Hamas and ordinary Palestinians.
“Hamas and the extreme elements of Hamas don’t represent all the Palestinian people,” Biden added, referring to the Palestinian militant group’s surprise incursions into Israel last week, which killed 1,400 civilians and soldiers.
And the State Department announced Sunday it had designated David Satterfield, a seasoned diplomat, as a special envoy for “Middle East humanitarian issues,” with a mandate to “facilitate the provision of life-saving assistance to the most vulnerable people and promote the safety of civilians.”
That emphasis represented a shift for the Biden administration, which has given blanket support to Israel’s military operations in advance of a ground invasion that human rights groups say will result in large-scale civilian casualties. But there was little sign Sunday of any substantive steps toward easing the situation in Gaza, as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared that Israeli soldiers were “ready to take action at any time in order to defeat the bloodthirsty monsters who have risen against us to destroy us.”
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