Meanwhile back in Israel

catefrances

i think the time is long overdue when not only  israel is made a pariah, but also the united states and any other country(which includes my own) that chooses to stand with them. israel has continually shown for the past 70 years that they have no intention(nor have they ever) of living peacefully with the palestinians. instead they  burn their crops,  bulldoze their houses,  raze their villages, deny them the same amenities as the jews, separate families, restrict movement, require palestinians to have ID cards, subject  palestinians to checkpoints, commit midnight raids complete with and physical torture, murder with impunity as well as jail and kill their children.. and have convinced the world that they are the victim. ISRAEL HAS NEVER BEEN A VICTIM... IT IS AN APARTHEID STATE WHO CONTINUALLY ABUSES THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. 

PJ_Soul

Seeing Ivanka Trump demurely and proudly announcing the opening of the new US Embassy while dozens of Palestinians were being murdered close by because of what she was praising made me want to puke. The Trumps are such a disgusting bunch of creeps, it's mind boggling.

i_lov_it

PJ_Soul said:

Seeing Ivanka Trump demurely and proudly announcing the opening of the new US Embassy while dozens of Palestinians were being murdered close by because of what she was praising made me want to puke. The Trumps are such a disgusting bunch of creeps, it's mind boggling.

You really think the Trumps are top of the Pyramid??? haha

PJ_Soul

i_lov_it said:

PJ_Soul said:

Seeing Ivanka Trump demurely and proudly announcing the opening of the new US Embassy while dozens of Palestinians were being murdered close by because of what she was praising made me want to puke. The Trumps are such a disgusting bunch of creeps, it's mind boggling.

You really think the Trumps are top of the Pyramid??? haha

I don't understand what you mean by that. It has nothing to do with what I said.

josevolution

ISRAEL totally disgusting and for this administration to just stand by and watch the crimes being commited by the israeli gov is disgusting and shameful it makes me sick that i pay taxes into this government and specially watching this idiot orange baffoon in the WH is beyond absurd ......

JC29856

josevolution said:

ISRAEL totally disgusting and for this administration to just stand by and watch the crimes being commited by the israeli gov is disgusting and shameful it makes me sick that i pay taxes into this government and specially watching this idiot orange baffoon in the WH is beyond absurd ......

Nice to see you take an interest, better late than never.
Someone on here once described this behavior as "pandering"!

josevolution

JC29856 said:

josevolution said:

ISRAEL totally disgusting and for this administration to just stand by and watch the crimes being commited by the israeli gov is disgusting and shameful it makes me sick that i pay taxes into this government and specially watching this idiot orange baffoon in the WH is beyond absurd ......

Nice to see you take an interest, better late than never.
Someone on here once described this behavior as "pandering"!

Sorry not everyone can be as politically correct as you are on every issue , to me the suffering of any population at the hands of any oppresing government is a horrible thing to witness the world should all stand up and say enough is enough ....

Thoughts_Arrive

why the fuck is Trump's daughter and son in law there?

Thoughts_Arrive

catefrances said:

i think the time is long overdue when not only  israel is made a pariah, but also the united states and any other country(which includes my own) that chooses to stand with them. israel has continually shown for the past 70 years that they have no intention(nor have they ever) of living peacefully with the palestinians. instead they  burn their crops,  bulldoze their houses,  raze their villages, deny them the same amenities as the jews, separate families, restrict movement, require palestinians to have ID cards, subject  palestinians to checkpoints, commit midnight raids complete with and physical torture, murder with impunity as well as jail and kill their children.. and have convinced the world that they are the victim. ISRAEL HAS NEVER BEEN A VICTIM... IT IS AN APARTHEID STATE WHO CONTINUALLY ABUSES THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. 

I find it sad that a group of people (the jews) who were victims of the holocaust have not learned from that experience and are now the evil, committing atrocities against the Palestinians. The jews would be the last group of people you'd  expect to commit atrocities in the world.

Bentleyspop

Idiots. ... 

https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/996098305808633857?s=19

mickeyrat

Bentleyspop said:

Idiots. ... 

https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/996098305808633857?s=19

willful ignorance

catefrances

Thoughts_Arrive said:

catefrances said:

i think the time is long overdue when not only  israel is made a pariah, but also the united states and any other country(which includes my own) that chooses to stand with them. israel has continually shown for the past 70 years that they have no intention(nor have they ever) of living peacefully with the palestinians. instead they  burn their crops,  bulldoze their houses,  raze their villages, deny them the same amenities as the jews, separate families, restrict movement, require palestinians to have ID cards, subject  palestinians to checkpoints, commit midnight raids complete with and physical torture, murder with impunity as well as jail and kill their children.. and have convinced the world that they are the victim. ISRAEL HAS NEVER BEEN A VICTIM... IT IS AN APARTHEID STATE WHO CONTINUALLY ABUSES THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. 

I find it sad that a group of people (the jews) who were victims of the holocaust have not learned from that experience and are now the evil, committing atrocities against the Palestinians. The jews would be the last group of people you'd  expect to commit atrocities in the world.

yes it is very interesting that one of the most persecuted peoples in history have become theoppressor. but lets remmeber that we're not talking about ALL jews. just the govt, the settlers who illegally occupy palestinian homes and land... as well as the  army that protects them.   

also to blame are those govts who condone the policies and actions of the israeli aparthied govt. who seemed to be blinded (for whatever reason) to the ongoing humanitarian disaster that is gaza and the west bank. damn shame palestine has no resources the west wants. heaven forbid humanity came into it.  

benjs

Thoughts_Arrive said:

catefrances said:

i think the time is long overdue when not only  israel is made a pariah, but also the united states and any other country(which includes my own) that chooses to stand with them. israel has continually shown for the past 70 years that they have no intention(nor have they ever) of living peacefully with the palestinians. instead they  burn their crops,  bulldoze their houses,  raze their villages, deny them the same amenities as the jews, separate families, restrict movement, require palestinians to have ID cards, subject  palestinians to checkpoints, commit midnight raids complete with and physical torture, murder with impunity as well as jail and kill their children.. and have convinced the world that they are the victim. ISRAEL HAS NEVER BEEN A VICTIM... IT IS AN APARTHEID STATE WHO CONTINUALLY ABUSES THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. 

I find it sad that a group of people (the jews) who were victims of the holocaust have not learned from that experience and are now the evil, committing atrocities against the Palestinians. The jews would be the last group of people you'd  expect to commit atrocities in the world.

I find it insulting and dangerous that people refer to Israelis and Jews like they’re one and the same. We’re not. Many of us have vehement opposition to Israeli actions or inactions, are outspoken in advocating for justice and peace, but since we are not Israelis, have no rights to produce any change there. 

The practice of conflating these groups is very real, and I have had to defend myself against angry people who assumed that because I’m Jewish, I  and other Jews will blindly follow Israeli talking points. That’s likely why it’s after Israeli attacks on Palestinians, three times now in Toronto I can remember we’ve had swastikas graffitied on synagogues.

Apologies for this semi-rant, but you hit a sore spot.

mickeyrat

benjs said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

catefrances said:

i think the time is long overdue when not only  israel is made a pariah, but also the united states and any other country(which includes my own) that chooses to stand with them. israel has continually shown for the past 70 years that they have no intention(nor have they ever) of living peacefully with the palestinians. instead they  burn their crops,  bulldoze their houses,  raze their villages, deny them the same amenities as the jews, separate families, restrict movement, require palestinians to have ID cards, subject  palestinians to checkpoints, commit midnight raids complete with and physical torture, murder with impunity as well as jail and kill their children.. and have convinced the world that they are the victim. ISRAEL HAS NEVER BEEN A VICTIM... IT IS AN APARTHEID STATE WHO CONTINUALLY ABUSES THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. 

I find it sad that a group of people (the jews) who were victims of the holocaust have not learned from that experience and are now the evil, committing atrocities against the Palestinians. The jews would be the last group of people you'd  expect to commit atrocities in the world.

I find it insulting and dangerous that people refer to Israelis and Jews like they’re one and the same. We’re not. Many of us have vehement opposition to Israeli actions or inactions, are outspoken in advocating for justice and peace, but since we are not Israelis, have no rights to produce any change there. 

The practice of conflating these groups is very real, and I have had to defend myself against angry people who assumed that because I’m Jewish, I  and other Jews will blindly follow Israeli talking points. That’s likely why it’s after Israeli attacks on Palestinians, three times now in Toronto I can remember we’ve had swastikas graffitied on synagogues.

Apologies for this semi-rant, but you hit a sore spot.

The Israeli government leaves little room for dissent and the opposing view or even the basic one of human dignity.

Unfortunately, it seems a common tendency among people in general to make blanket judgments about group x ,y or z. Especially so with that group in governance there, declaring that any criticism of them and their actions and policies, be it perfectly valid or not, as to be anti-Semitic.

Its difficult enough to have substantive diaglog on such an emotional subject without adding that fuel to the fire.

Couple that with , at least here in the US, an appalling lack of that oppositional Jewish voice gaining any news coverage.

Thoughts_Arrive

benjs said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

catefrances said:

i think the time is long overdue when not only  israel is made a pariah, but also the united states and any other country(which includes my own) that chooses to stand with them. israel has continually shown for the past 70 years that they have no intention(nor have they ever) of living peacefully with the palestinians. instead they  burn their crops,  bulldoze their houses,  raze their villages, deny them the same amenities as the jews, separate families, restrict movement, require palestinians to have ID cards, subject  palestinians to checkpoints, commit midnight raids complete with and physical torture, murder with impunity as well as jail and kill their children.. and have convinced the world that they are the victim. ISRAEL HAS NEVER BEEN A VICTIM... IT IS AN APARTHEID STATE WHO CONTINUALLY ABUSES THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. 

I find it sad that a group of people (the jews) who were victims of the holocaust have not learned from that experience and are now the evil, committing atrocities against the Palestinians. The jews would be the last group of people you'd  expect to commit atrocities in the world.

I find it insulting and dangerous that people refer to Israelis and Jews like they’re one and the same. We’re not. Many of us have vehement opposition to Israeli actions or inactions, are outspoken in advocating for justice and peace, but since we are not Israelis, have no rights to produce any change there. 

The practice of conflating these groups is very real, and I have had to defend myself against angry people who assumed that because I’m Jewish, I  and other Jews will blindly follow Israeli talking points. That’s likely why it’s after Israeli attacks on Palestinians, three times now in Toronto I can remember we’ve had swastikas graffitied on synagogues.

Apologies for this semi-rant, but you hit a sore spot.

I've also criticised Israel on social media without even mentioning "jews" and have been called an anti semite by Jewish and non-Jewish people.
So shall I just say "the people persecuting the Palestinians?" from now on because people conflate the two even if "jews" is not mentioned.
Sorry that I offended you.

mickeyrat

Thoughts_Arrive said:

benjs said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

catefrances said:

i think the time is long overdue when not only  israel is made a pariah, but also the united states and any other country(which includes my own) that chooses to stand with them. israel has continually shown for the past 70 years that they have no intention(nor have they ever) of living peacefully with the palestinians. instead they  burn their crops,  bulldoze their houses,  raze their villages, deny them the same amenities as the jews, separate families, restrict movement, require palestinians to have ID cards, subject  palestinians to checkpoints, commit midnight raids complete with and physical torture, murder with impunity as well as jail and kill their children.. and have convinced the world that they are the victim. ISRAEL HAS NEVER BEEN A VICTIM... IT IS AN APARTHEID STATE WHO CONTINUALLY ABUSES THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. 

I find it sad that a group of people (the jews) who were victims of the holocaust have not learned from that experience and are now the evil, committing atrocities against the Palestinians. The jews would be the last group of people you'd  expect to commit atrocities in the world.

I find it insulting and dangerous that people refer to Israelis and Jews like they’re one and the same. We’re not. Many of us have vehement opposition to Israeli actions or inactions, are outspoken in advocating for justice and peace, but since we are not Israelis, have no rights to produce any change there. 

The practice of conflating these groups is very real, and I have had to defend myself against angry people who assumed that because I’m Jewish, I  and other Jews will blindly follow Israeli talking points. That’s likely why it’s after Israeli attacks on Palestinians, three times now in Toronto I can remember we’ve had swastikas graffitied on synagogues.

Apologies for this semi-rant, but you hit a sore spot.

I've also criticised Israel on social media without even mentioning "jews" and have been called an anti semite by Jewish and non-Jewish people.
So shall I just say "the people persecuting the Palestinians?" from now on because people conflate the two even if "jews" is not mentioned.
Sorry that I offended you.

perhaps its best to say zionists instead or many jews and not the suggested whole in using "the jews"..

josevolution

I used the term Jews and I was wrong I apologize to anyone offended here , with that said Palestinians trapped in Gaza can even work to earn a penny unemployment amongst young men is at 75% for the past three years Israel is an oppressive government at best ! I meant can’t work 

josevolution

http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/westbankandgaza/publication/economic-outlook-april-2018
They have nothing to live for ! 

JC29856

Israeli Spokesperson Michal Maayan on why the IDF are shooting and killing protestors: "well you cant put them all in jail, there are hundreds of them, I can tell you they were attacking the fence"

Thoughts_Arrive

JC29856 said:

Israeli Spokesperson Michal Maayan on why the IDF are shooting and killing protestors: "well you cant put them all in jail, there are hundreds of them, I can tell you they were attacking the fence"

The fence must be protected at all cost, the fence! the fence!