Iran Deal, the reset.....

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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    For those who don't think I read alternate takes:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/iran-nuclear-deal-democracy-akbar-ganji/390900/

    This aligns pretty close with Aafke I think and is pretty interesting.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    BS44325 said:

    For those who don't think I read alternate takes:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/iran-nuclear-deal-democracy-akbar-ganji/390900/

    This aligns pretty close with Aafke I think and is pretty interesting.

    I like this article that's from the same site:

    http://m.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/03/john-bolton-times-iran-bomb-war/388850/
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    all good, I take it as a compliment that you've got nothing to say to me. Besides, checking the local media the last few days, Connor McDavid is going to save the world next year. :wink:
    I'll keep thinking big picture, you keep heading down the same old path. We both think the other is howling at the moon. We won't convince each other of shit....but...in my experience, the disenfranchised, apathetic, and ignorant are more easily swayed to peace and diplomacy than to war. I counter your bullshit for that reason, and because it's therapeutic to me. Without you here, my masturbatory idealist rants wouldn't be possible. Thanks BS, you're a champ.

    Love ya brother...serious...no sarcasm. I can handle all the criticism. The only thing I ever ask people to consider is that a normal, flesh and blood person, with absolutely no ulterior motive can hold my views.
    I've never thought you have ulterior motive but those that successfully feed your brain do.
    This is exactly what I am talking about. A rational person can't believe what I believe unless my brain is being fed. I couldn't possibly have come to these conclusions on my own.
    No you wouldn't.

    War killing others =good? No!

    War killing others=$$$$. Yes. Bingo.

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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    BS44325 said:

    For those who don't think I read alternate takes:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/iran-nuclear-deal-democracy-akbar-ganji/390900/

    This aligns pretty close with Aafke I think and is pretty interesting.

    Do give you huge credit for hanging out here. Much respect.

    You'll come around as well.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    For those who don't think I read alternate takes:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/iran-nuclear-deal-democracy-akbar-ganji/390900/

    This aligns pretty close with Aafke I think and is pretty interesting.

    Do give you huge credit for hanging out here. Much respect.

    You'll come around as well.
    Much respect as well.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    but in reality, it all boils down to support of murder for monetary gain.

    This is exactly why I don't respond to all of you. When this is your "reality" there is no sense in responding.

    I don't see how an intelligent person can fail to see that war is fought for monetary gain. It literally is War 103.
    War 101: Kill the other side.
    War 102: Don't get killed.
    War 103: You're fighting for rich people to get richer.
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    but in reality, it all boils down to support of murder for monetary gain.

    This is exactly why I don't respond to all of you. When this is your "reality" there is no sense in responding.

    I don't see how an intelligent person can fail to see that war is fought for monetary gain. It literally is War 103.
    War 101: Kill the other side.
    War 102: Don't get killed.
    War 103: You're fighting for rich people to get richer.
    Dude, I sent u a couple pm and no response. Congrats on the little one gambs.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    badbrains said:

    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    but in reality, it all boils down to support of murder for monetary gain.

    This is exactly why I don't respond to all of you. When this is your "reality" there is no sense in responding.

    I don't see how an intelligent person can fail to see that war is fought for monetary gain. It literally is War 103.
    War 101: Kill the other side.
    War 102: Don't get killed.
    War 103: You're fighting for rich people to get richer.
    Dude, I sent u a couple pm and no response. Congrats on the little one gambs.
    My bad brother, I saw that and forgot to respond. Thanks for the good vibes!
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michele-bachmann-obama-end-times-iran

    This is what conservatives are saying! It's batshit crazy.
    I have 2 questions:
    Do they really believe it is Obama's goal to give Iran nukes?
    Does it bother folks like BS that such nutjobs are on their side and using some of the very same arguments?
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  • AafkeAafke Posts: 1,219
    edited April 2015
    rgambs said:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michele-bachmann-obama-end-times-iran

    This is what conservatives are saying! It's batshit crazy.
    I have 2 questions:
    Do they really believe it is Obama's goal to give Iran nukes?
    Does it bother folks like BS that such nutjobs are on their side and using some of the very same arguments?

    Why is this woman in politics instead of in an mental institution? She is having a serious mental breakdown, isn't she? But glad she's happy...
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Aafke said:

    rgambs said:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michele-bachmann-obama-end-times-iran

    This is what conservatives are saying! It's batshit crazy.
    I have 2 questions:
    Do they really believe it is Obama's goal to give Iran nukes?
    Does it bother folks like BS that such nutjobs are on their side and using some of the very same arguments?

    Why is this woman in politics instead of in an mental institution? She is having a serious mental breakdown, isn't she? But glad she's happy...
    Her life is a serious mental breakdown lol
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  • AafkeAafke Posts: 1,219
    edited April 2015
    rgambs said:

    Aafke said:

    rgambs said:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michele-bachmann-obama-end-times-iran

    This is what conservatives are saying! It's batshit crazy.
    I have 2 questions:
    Do they really believe it is Obama's goal to give Iran nukes?
    Does it bother folks like BS that such nutjobs are on their side and using some of the very same arguments?

    Why is this woman in politics instead of in an mental institution? She is having a serious mental breakdown, isn't she? But glad she's happy...
    Her life is a serious mental breakdown lol
    Freedom of speech is very profound right, but reading an article like this, does give something to think about this right, shouldn't some be protected from making a complete joke of themselves... On the other hand some might be thinking the same about me...
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    She's just feeding many what they want to hear to justify their insecurities of ObMa being an intelligent black man and adding some good ole religious dribble as icing on the cake. Yes I said it.

    Just tells you why people shouldn't be walking around with guns let alone drive.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Aafke said:

    rgambs said:

    Aafke said:

    rgambs said:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michele-bachmann-obama-end-times-iran

    This is what conservatives are saying! It's batshit crazy.
    I have 2 questions:
    Do they really believe it is Obama's goal to give Iran nukes?
    Does it bother folks like BS that such nutjobs are on their side and using some of the very same arguments?

    Why is this woman in politics instead of in an mental institution? She is having a serious mental breakdown, isn't she? But glad she's happy...
    Her life is a serious mental breakdown lol
    Freedom of speech is very profound right, but reading an article like this, does give something to think about this right, shouldn't some be protected from making a complete joke of themselves... On the other hand some might be thinking the same about me...
    They should be called out but people are scared to touch the wacky religion bottom.

    Sad
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,948


    Why is this woman in politics instead of in an mental institution? She is having a serious mental breakdown, isn't she? But glad she's happy...

    Her life is a serious mental breakdown lol

    Freedom of speech is very profound right, but reading an article like this, does give something to think about this right, shouldn't some be protected from making a complete joke of themselves... On the other hand some might be thinking the same about me...

    They should be called out but people are scared to touch the wacky religion bottom.

    Sad

    And they control the republican primaries in a good number of states. Watch how the republican candidates will kowtow to them in Iowa and the south. Remember when Sarah Palin took to prominently wearing the Star of David around her neck? These End of Days folks like Michele Bachman are more numerous than you know. And they are scary in how they think of the world and the US' place in it.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Bachman is just pandering. She's smart. Works.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    rgambs said:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michele-bachmann-obama-end-times-iran

    This is what conservatives are saying! It's batshit crazy.
    I have 2 questions:
    Do they really believe it is Obama's goal to give Iran nukes?
    Does it bother folks like BS that such nutjobs are on their side and using some of the very same arguments?

    It bothers me plenty.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,948
    callen said:

    Bachman is just pandering. She's smart. Works.

    For what? The VP nod?
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michele-bachmann-obama-end-times-iran

    This is what conservatives are saying! It's batshit crazy.
    I have 2 questions:
    Do they really believe it is Obama's goal to give Iran nukes?
    Does it bother folks like BS that such nutjobs are on their side and using some of the very same arguments?

    It bothers me plenty.
    Good! Patchouli stinkin' butterfly protectors bother me.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388

    callen said:

    Bachman is just pandering. She's smart. Works.

    For what? The VP nod?
    Hey she's now On the cover of the roll........wait no.

    Future opportunities what ever they may be.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited April 2015
    Iran just seized a US vessel.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iran-seizes-cargo-ship-u-s-officials-say-n349681

    Time to sign that deal.

    Edit - New reports now say the ship is Danish. No Americans involved.
    Post edited by BS44325 on
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    BS44325 said:

    Iran just seized a US vessel.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iran-seizes-cargo-ship-u-s-officials-say-n349681

    Time to sign that deal.

    Edit - New reports now say the ship is Danish. No Americans involved.

    And??? I read the cargo ship was IN Iranian waters. You really want to get into this and have me show your hypocrisy when it comes to your selective amnesia? That article was 2 paragraphs long and said nothing except the vessel was IN Iranian waters and they boarded the ship. Pretty standard procedure EVERY country prob follows. At least they didn't board the ship and start shooting, ahem. Know what I mean there mr selective amnesia?
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    Iran just seized a US vessel.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iran-seizes-cargo-ship-u-s-officials-say-n349681

    Time to sign that deal.

    Edit - New reports now say the ship is Danish. No Americans involved.

    And??? I read the cargo ship was IN Iranian waters. You really want to get into this and have me show your hypocrisy when it comes to your selective amnesia? That article was 2 paragraphs long and said nothing except the vessel was IN Iranian waters and they boarded the ship. Pretty standard procedure EVERY country prob follows. At least they didn't board the ship and start shooting, ahem. Know what I mean there mr selective amnesia?
    Whether the boat was in Iranian international waters was in dispute...Reuters had it as international and as an American Vessel initially.

    I also absolutely remember the incident you were talking about. It doesn't change anything. The intent of that ship was to actually reach land.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Here's some more detail on the incident:

    "Omri Ceren provides this email update on today’s developments in the Persian Gulf, reported in this brief Reuters story:

    It’s been a busy two hours, but some clarity is starting to emerge about the Iranian seizure of a cargo vessel in the Strait of Hormuz. The vessel is the M/V Maersk Tigris and sails under a Marshall Islands flag. It was intercepted by Iranian navy patrol crafts earlier today and sent a distress call, and which point it was contacted by US naval assets who streamed to the area to monitor the confrontation. The vessel was ordered to sail into Iranian waters and refused, at which point the Iranians fired shots across her bow, and the master complied. It’s now in the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas.

    There is a dispute over whether the M/V Maersk Tigris was in international waters when it was initially intercepted. The Pentagon seems to have told journalists this morning that it was transiting through Iranian territorial waters. Defense analysts are posting maps showing otherwise (

    A few things you’re likely to be hearing as the afternoon kicks off:

    (1) The U.S. is treaty-bound to defend the security of the Marshall Islands. To what extent will the US be obligated to act in response to functionally unspinnable Iranian aggression? Keep in mind that in two weeks the President will be personally in a room floating security assurances to the Gulf, promising that the U.S. will protect them from future Iranian aggression.

    The Republic of the Marshall Islands (RMI) is a sovereign nation. While the government is free to conduct its own foreign relations, it does so under the terms of the Compact. The United States has full authority and responsibility for security and defense of the Marshall Islands, and the Government of the Marshall Islands is obligated to refrain from taking actions that would be incompatible with these security and defense responsibilities. (http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/26551.htm)

    (2) The administration just wrapped up a week of insisting that under no circumstances would it allow Iran to interfere with shipping in the area. It’s unclear how that can be reconciled with what the Iranians just did.

    White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest, April 21: “principal goal of this operation is to maintain freedom of navigation and free flow of commerce in the Gulf of Aden and the Red Sea… would send a clear signal about our continued insistence about the free flow of commerce and the freedom of movement in the region… this is a clear statement about our commitment to ensuring the free flow of commerce in this important region of the world” (https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/04/21/press-briefing-press-secretary-josh-earnest-4212015)

    State Department Spokesperson Marie Harf, April 21: “I think the Defense Department may have already addressed this in their briefing today, but there were reports about these U.S. ships that have been moved. And I want to be very clear, just so no one has the wrong impression, that they are not there to intercept Iranian ships, to do issues like that; that the purpose of moving them is only to ensure the shipping lanes remain open and safe. I think there was some misreporting and confusion on this, and I just wanted to be very clear.” (http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2015/04/240950.htm)

    Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren, April 21: “[U.S. warships] are operating [in the Arabian Sea] with a very clear mission to ensure that shipping lanes remain open, to ensure there’s freedom of navigation through those critical waterways, and to help ensure maritime security…By having U.S. ships in the region, we…preserve options should the security situation deteriorate to the point where there is a problem or a threat to freedom of navigation or to the shipping lanes or to overall maritime security.” (http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=128634)

    (3) What the hell are the Iranians doing playing chicken with the U.S. Navy on the same day that the full Senate takes up debate on Corker-Menendez? Business Insider’s national security and military editor Armin Rosen had one of the early lines on this:

    Whatever else is going on, IRGCN just baited a Burke-class US destroyer into a confrontation in the world’s busiest oil chokepoint"
  • AafkeAafke Posts: 1,219
    edited April 2015
    Well, I think not only in the US there is some resistance against this deal... Some people in Iran seem to have some resistance as well, and what better way of showing it then doing the exact thing the US is has been talking about for the whole last week?

    I think it's a mistake to think, Iran acts and thinks as one, it not a democracy as we know it, but their are differences in opinion. If your voice isn't heard, apparently people think it's time for some action... If this is the way to prevent this deal from happening, we give them exactly what they are aiming for...
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Aafke said:

    Well, I think not only in the US there is some resistance against this deal... Some people in Iran seem to have some resistance as well, and what better way of showing it then doing the exact thing the US is has been talking about for the whole last week?

    I think it's a mistake to think, Iran acts and thinks as one, it not a democracy as we know it, but their are differences in opinion. If your voice isn't heard, apparently people think it's time for some action... If this is the way to prevent this deal from happening, we give them exactly what they are aiming for...

    I don't disagree with you but an action such as this comes straight from the top. The Marshall Islands is essentially a U.S. protectorate and the Iranian regime is testing American military resolve right now. Pretty smart tactic on their part actually...hassle some ships that are not officially American yet see how the US responds.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,948
    Can you say, "Gulf of Tonkin?"
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255

    Can you say, "Gulf of Tonkin?"

    Or the USs Liberty?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,948
    Yea, the USS Liberty was some nasty shit but what was happening on Palestinian occupied land was way nastier. Way. And to think they have never formally apologized for either war crime.
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255

    Yea, the USS Liberty was some nasty shit but what was happening on Palestinian occupied land was way nastier. Way. And to think they have never formally apologized for either war crime.

    You should see who was in charge of that investigation. You can't make this shit up hahaha.
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