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Iran Deal, the reset.....

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,520
    brianlux said:
    We recently watched the film, Wavy Grave; Saint Misbehavin'".  There's a scene later in the film where Wavy and his Hog Farm group in two hippie buses are traveling through the middle east on the way to the far east to show and lend support  for the starving poor in Bangladesh.   These crazy hippies and the middle easterners got a long great, mingling and sharing cultures- at one point participating in a jam session of blended music. 

    That was about 50 years ago.  It wouldn't be allowed today, but maybe some one young with a lot of energy and vision will come along and creatively make something good between our cultures again.  It's never going to happen the way we've been going about it for the last several decades.  We need people with much greater vision.
    The iPhone killed the magic bus, Brian. Would love to see it and hopefully it will happen.  Someday. A school bus from Syria to England for a PJ show, picking up at least one resident of each country along the way. One can dream.

    I love it!  At the very least, that would make a very cool movie!
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,158
     Esmail Qaani is likely to pursue his predecessor's policies with 'greater vigour and ruthlessness', say experts.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 20,260
    Wait a minute... wait a minute guys..  The US exits the JCPOA but now DEMANDS that the snap back sanctions go into place?  Is that a joke?  Does Pompeo like getting laughed at by the Security Council?  Sorry you don't get to exit the agreement and then try to leverage the agreement afterwards.  What a joke.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-53847650

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 26,942
    mrussel1 said:
    Wait a minute... wait a minute guys..  The US exits the JCPOA but now DEMANDS that the snap back sanctions go into place?  Is that a joke?  Does Pompeo like getting laughed at by the Security Council?  Sorry you don't get to exit the agreement and then try to leverage the agreement afterwards.  What a joke.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-53847650

    Should have heard Team Trump Treason speaking to the press in front of the Iraqi prime minister regarding Turkish incursions into northern Iraq to strike the Kurds and his relationship with both the Kurds and Turks and how the US military might is the mightiest. And then speak to the Iranians and their bounties on US soldiers and how we’ll strike them so hard your head will spin. He has not a clue.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 24,498
    edited August 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    Wait a minute... wait a minute guys..  The US exits the JCPOA but now DEMANDS that the snap back sanctions go into place?  Is that a joke?  Does Pompeo like getting laughed at by the Security Council?  Sorry you don't get to exit the agreement and then try to leverage the agreement afterwards.  What a joke.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-53847650

    And the whole world is laughing at us!
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,158
     https://news.yahoo.com/irans-president-says-country-rejoin-014200867.html

    Iranian President Hassan Rouhani on Monday said if the United States returns to the Iran nuclear deal, his country will follow within an hour.The deal was made...

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 20,260
    mickeyrat said:
     https://news.yahoo.com/irans-president-says-country-rejoin-014200867.html

    Iranian President Hassan Rouhani on Monday said if the United States returns to the Iran nuclear deal, his country will follow within an hour.The deal was made...

    That's good news and much firmer of a statement than I would have expected from them, particularly after our latest provocation.  It will be an uneasy few weeks until Biden takes charge.  I expect more aggression from Israel.  I would also expect Israel to test Biden early.  
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,158
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
     https://news.yahoo.com/irans-president-says-country-rejoin-014200867.html

    Iranian President Hassan Rouhani on Monday said if the United States returns to the Iran nuclear deal, his country will follow within an hour.The deal was made...

    That's good news and much firmer of a statement than I would have expected from them, particularly after our latest provocation.  It will be an uneasy few weeks until Biden takes charge.  I expect more aggression from Israel.  I would also expect Israel to test Biden early.  

    would assume blinken is familiar to the iranians
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,158
     
    Biden repudiates Trump on Iran, ready for talks on nuke deal
    By MATTHEW LEE
    3 mins ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Biden administration said Thursday it's ready to join talks with Iran and world powers to discuss a return to the 2015 nuclear deal, in a sharp repudiation of former President Donald Trump’s “maximum pressure campaign” that sought to isolate the Islamic Republic.

    The administration also took two steps at the United Nations aimed at restoring policy to what it was before Trump withdrew from the deal in 2018. The combined actions were immediately criticized by Iran hawks and are likely to draw concern from Israel and Gulf Arab states.

    In addition to signaling a willingness to talk with Iran, the administration also reversed Trump’s determination that all U.N. sanctions against Iran had been restored. And, it eased stringent restrictions on the domestic travel of Iranian diplomats posted to the United Nations.

    The State Department announced the moves following discussions between Secretary of State Antony Blinken and his British, French and German counterparts, and as Biden prepares to participate, albeit virtually, in his first major international events with world leaders.

    The announcement came a day before Biden is to speak to leaders of the Group of Seven industrialized democracies and later in the day address the annual Munich Security Conference. At both, Biden is expected to discuss his commitment to multilateral diplomacy and his desire to undo damage that Trump's positions may have caused over the previous four years.

    In a statement, State Department spokesman Ned Price said the U.S. would accept an invitation from the European Union to attend a meeting of the participants — the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council and Germany, along with Iran — in the original nuclear agreement.

    “The United States would accept an invitation from the European Union High Representative to attend a meeting of the P5+1 and Iran to discuss a diplomatic way forward on Iran’s nuclear program,” he said. The U.S. has not participated in a meeting of those participants since Trump withdrew from the deal and began steadily ramping up sanctions on Iran.

    Such an invitation has not yet been issued but one is expected shortly, following Blinken's talks with the British, French and German foreign ministers.

    Meanwhile, at the United Nations, the administration notified the Security Council that it had withdrawn Trump's September 2020 invocation of the so-called “snapback” mechanism under which it maintained that all U.N sanctions against Iran had been re-imposed. Those sanctions included a conventional arms embargo against Iran that had been set to expire.

    Trump's determination had been vigorously disputed by nearly all other U.N. members and had left the U.S. isolated at the world body. Thus, the reversal is unlikely to have any immediate practical effect other than to bring the U.S. back into line with the position of the vast majority of U.N. members, including some of its closest allies.

    Acting U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Richard Mills sent a letter to the Security Council saying the United States “hereby withdraws” three letters from the Trump administration that culminated in its Sept. 19 announcement that the United States had re-imposed U.N. sanctions on Tehran due to it's “significant non-performance" with its obligations.

    Trump's move had been ignored by the rest of the Security Council and the world, and the overwhelming majority of members in the 15-nation council had called the action illegal because the U.S. was no longer a member of the nuclear deal.

    At the same time, officials said the administration has eased extremely strict limits on the travel of Iranian diplomats accredited to the United Nations. The Trump administration had imposed the severe restrictions, which essentially confined them to their U.N. mission and the U.N. headquarters building in New York.

    The top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Rep. Michael McCaul of Texas, quickly denounced the steps. “It is concerning the Biden Administration is already making concessions in an apparent attempt to re-enter the flawed Iran deal," he said. “The Trump Administration created leverage for President Biden on Iran — we should not squander that progress.”

    Earlier Thursday, Blinken and his European counterparts had urged Iran to allow continued United Nations nuclear inspections and stop nuclear activities that have no credible civilian use. They warned that Iran’s actions could threaten delicate efforts to bring the U.S. back into the 2015 deal and end sanctions damaging Iran’s economy.

    Iran is “playing with fire,” said German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas, who took part in the talks Thursday in Paris with his British and French counterparts. Blinken had joined via videoconference.

    Iran has said it will stop part of International Atomic Energy Agency inspections of its nuclear facilities next week if the West doesn’t implement its own commitments under the 2015 deal. The accord has been unraveling since Trump pulled the U.S. out of the agreement.

    Blinken reiterated that “if Iran comes back into strict compliance with its commitments ... the United States will do the same,” according to a joint statement after Thursday’s meeting that reflected closer trans-Atlantic positions on Iran since President Joe Biden took office.

    The diplomats noted “the dangerous nature of a decision to limit IAEA access, and urge Iran to consider the consequences of such grave action, particularly at this time of renewed diplomatic opportunity.”

    They said Iran’s decision to produce uranium enriched up to 20% and uranium metal has “no credible” civilian use.

    The 2015 accord is aimed at preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons. Tehran denies it is seeking such an arsenal.

    “We are the ones who have kept this agreement alive in recent years, and now it’s about supporting the United States in taking the road back into the agreement,” Maas told reporters in Paris.

    “The measures that have been taken in Tehran and may be taken in the coming days are anything but helpful. They endanger the Americans’ path back into this agreement. The more pressure that is exerted, the more politically difficult it will be to find a solution,” he said.

    Iran’s threats are “very worrying,” British Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said, stressing the need “to re-engage diplomatically in order to restrain Iran, but also bring it back into compliance.”

    The diplomats also expressed concern about human rights violations in Iran and its ballistic missile program.

    In Iran, President Hassan Rouhani expressed hope Thursday that the Biden administration will rejoin the accord and lift the U.S. sanctions that Washington re-imposed under Trump, according to state television.

    Tehran has been using its violations of the nuclear deal to put pressure on the remaining signatories — France, Germany, Britain, Russia and China — to provide more incentives to Iran to offset the crippling sanctions.

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel and the president of the European Council spoke with Rouhani this week to try to end the diplomatic standoff. The head of the IAEA is scheduled to travel to Iran this weekend to find a solution that allows the agency to continue inspections.

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    Edith M. Lederer at the United Nations, Geir Moulson in Berlin and Angela Charlton and Masha Macpherson in Paris contributed.


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    Funny having adults in the room again.
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