Well, I think not only in the US there is some resistance against this deal... Some people in Iran seem to have some resistance as well, and what better way of showing it then doing the exact thing the US is has been talking about for the whole last week?
I think it's a mistake to think, Iran acts and thinks as one, it not a democracy as we know it, but their are differences in opinion. If your voice isn't heard, apparently people think it's time for some action... If this is the way to prevent this deal from happening, we give them exactly what they are aiming for...
I don't disagree with you but an action such as this comes straight from the top. The Marshall Islands is essentially a U.S. protectorate and the Iranian regime is testing American military resolve right now. Pretty smart tactic on their part actually...hassle some ships that are not officially American yet see how the US responds.
How do you know for sure it comes straight from the top? In my opinion it's your assumption which you present as fact. It doesn't make the action these people took, any better. I agree with you that it's a smart strategy, to test how far they can go before the U.S. intervenes...
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Okay people, WTF is this...? A pissing contest? Israel has done some nasty stuff, so it's Okay for Iran, to behave with the same bad attitude? I don't think so... If we follow that path, I think, BS will be sooner right than he wants to... War will be inevitable. You can't accuse one side of bulling, and when the other side does the same things, ignore them, and only point fingers at the proclaimed bully. Saying they did much worse things. This will drive the two bullies further apart, it becomes a game of who's right and who's wrong, and there are no winners in that game... What happened with this ship is not the smartest thing Iran could have done, if they want to continue this deal, admit it.
I can only hope this will not be the end of the deal...
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Well, I think not only in the US there is some resistance against this deal... Some people in Iran seem to have some resistance as well, and what better way of showing it then doing the exact thing the US is has been talking about for the whole last week?
I think it's a mistake to think, Iran acts and thinks as one, it not a democracy as we know it, but their are differences in opinion. If your voice isn't heard, apparently people think it's time for some action... If this is the way to prevent this deal from happening, we give them exactly what they are aiming for...
I don't disagree with you but an action such as this comes straight from the top. The Marshall Islands is essentially a U.S. protectorate and the Iranian regime is testing American military resolve right now. Pretty smart tactic on their part actually...hassle some ships that are not officially American yet see how the US responds.
How do you know for sure it comes straight from the top? In my opinion it's your assumption which you present as fact. It doesn't make the action these people took, any better. I agree with you that it's a smart strategy, to test how far they can go before the U.S. intervenes...
Again you are right...I do not know for sure. There is always the possibility that it is an Iranian naval ship acting on its own but in general the Iranian revolutionary guard is in charge of these sort of actions and they get their orders from the regime. Updated reports now say the ship was international waters and that it appears the Iranians are trying to test naval response. This is no gulf of tonkin.
No, it not a good reason to start a war... But give me any reason that is....
War... what is it good for? absolutely Nothing!...
Sounds familiar? I do, strongly, believe in these words, but I'm only willing to fight for them with words...
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
No, it not a good reason to start a war... But give me any reason that is....
War... what is it good for? absolutely Nothing!...
Sounds familiar? I do, strongly, believe in these words, but I'm only willing to fight for them with words...
It's interesting because throughout history, even those who are eager for war are loathe to admit they started it. It was always the other guy in some way, form or fashion.
No, it not a good reason to start a war... But give me any reason that is....
War... what is it good for? absolutely Nothing!...
Sounds familiar? I do, strongly, believe in these words, but I'm only willing to fight for them with words...
It's interesting because throughout history, even those who are eager for war are loathe to admit they started it. It was always the other guy in some way, form or fashion.
Logical thinking... Nobody wants to be known as an aggressor, makes friends and allies much more difficult to keep.
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Its also not a reason to go to war with Iran. Let me know when the Canadian Navy will sail to the rescue.
Who said it's a reason to go to war? It's also not a reason to be niave about Iranian intentions. And as far as Canada is concerned we've got people in harms way in Iraq right now...I'm sure are Navy is out there as well.
What does Iraq have to do with the topic of this thread? I'm sure the Canadian navy is, "out there as well." Maybe the Bay of Fundy? The Gulf of Siam? Port of call at Subic Bay perhaps? No, you didn't call for a war, yet, but the speed with which you posted the news article about the "Iranians seizing a US ship" sure makes it seem that you wouldn't mind a war with Iran. Have we reached the point of no return yet?
Again, if Obama seals this deal, it will be the equivalent of having a royal flush at the World Poker Tour Main Event final table and folding to a guy who has an off-suit 2,9.
This will be his legacy (as well as a healthcare system named after him, penned by the blue-eyed devil, Mitt Romney).
Again, if Obama seals this deal, it will be the equivalent of having a royal flush at the World Poker Tour Main Event final table and folding to a guy who has an off-suit 2,9.
This will be his legacy (as well as a healthcare system named after him, penned by the blue-eyed devil, Mitt Romney).
How on Earth do you make that comparison? Do you dispute the international communities estimate for Iran's breakout time?
Again, if Obama seals this deal, it will be the equivalent of having a royal flush at the World Poker Tour Main Event final table and folding to a guy who has an off-suit 2,9.
This will be his legacy (as well as a healthcare system named after him, penned by the blue-eyed devil, Mitt Romney).
How on Earth do you make that comparison? Do you dispute the international communities estimate for Iran's breakout time?
Exactly. This is Great Britain, France, the Russian Federation, China and Germany, along with the US in making this deal. If you've heard anything about the negotiations whereas the US has utilized its nuclear labs at Sandia, Los Alamos and Lawrence Livermore to answer very technical questions regarding feasibilities and capabilities and getting answers to very technical questions from the negotiators in almost real time, you see the level of effort put into this. The other countries involved are not going to tolerate "folding" to an off suit 2 & 9. It is my hope that the 10 years allows for mutual trust to develop and the eventual normalization of relations between the US, other western nations and Iran. This deal is worth that effort. Otherwise, what do we have?
Again, if Obama seals this deal, it will be the equivalent of having a royal flush at the World Poker Tour Main Event final table and folding to a guy who has an off-suit 2,9.
This will be his legacy (as well as a healthcare system named after him, penned by the blue-eyed devil, Mitt Romney).
How on Earth do you make that comparison? Do you dispute the international communities estimate for Iran's breakout time?
Exactly. This is Great Britain, France, the Russian Federation, China and Germany, along with the US in making this deal. If you've heard anything about the negotiations whereas the US has utilized its nuclear labs at Sandia, Los Alamos and Lawrence Livermore to answer very technical questions regarding feasibilities and capabilities and getting answers to very technical questions from the negotiators in almost real time, you see the level of effort put into this. The other countries involved are not going to tolerate "folding" to an off suit 2 & 9. It is my hope that the 10 years allows for mutual trust to develop and the eventual normalization of relations between the US, other western nations and Iran. This deal is worth that effort. Otherwise, what do we have?
Completely agreed! couldn't have said it better.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Or we keep the pressure on and force them to dismantle. Then we end sanctions. That's why we started the sanctions There leaders are under pressure because of the sanctions. There wouldn't be any talks if the sanctions were not working.
Or we keep the pressure on and force them to dismantle. Then we end sanctions. That's why we started the sanctions There leaders are under pressure because of the sanctions. There wouldn't be any talks if the sanctions were not working.
You fundamentally misunderstand this whole scenario. Do you know what breakout time is?
Or we keep the pressure on and force them to dismantle. Then we end sanctions. That's why we started the sanctions There leaders are under pressure because of the sanctions. There wouldn't be any talks if the sanctions were not working.
But they were still making progress despite the sanctions. It seems pretty clear to me, come to terms with an agreement and have the opportunity for a 10 year developmental delay or scuttle the talks, end the talks, don't lift the sanctions and they have a bomb in 1 to 3 years anyway, despite the sanctions. South Africa built the bomb with sanctions in place because of apartheid and was close to testing when they gave up their program for sanctions being lifted. You have to start somewhere. And if you're Iran, why would you give up your program without sanctions being lifted? After all, you saw what happened in Iraq.
As I've stated in the past, 10 year plans are complete horse pucky. Can anyone remember a single promise that a politician made 10 years ago?
Halifax, you make a good point that they only need a few years to accomplish a nuclear weapon development. If we sign this deal, they can put up a smokescreen for a few years as their economy recovers and the solidify their power while not complying.
Does anyone remember Hans Blix dealing with the Iraq smokescreen? Signing this deal could lead to war. We need to hold strong to get them to end the program.
We should be offering energy trades to end their nuclear program instead of letting them proceed as planned.
I've never been to Iran, but it is my understanding they have almost unlimited access to the giant burning orb in the sky. We should be discussing trading solar panel technology to offset what they would gain in nuclear technology. That makes sense if Iran's true intention is energy independence.
All liberals should be doing back-flips for such a proposal. The left freaks out on proposed U.S. Nuclear plant expansion. And the left wants more U.S. solar power. And we could use U.S. manpower to build and send such solar panels instead of pumping it into the F-35 program.
Iran achieves energy independence. We create more jobs.
I've never been to Iran, but it is my understanding they have almost unlimited access to the giant burning orb in the sky. We should be discussing trading solar panel technology to offset what they would gain in nuclear technology. That makes sense if Iran's true intention is energy independence.
All liberals should be doing back-flips for such a proposal. The left freaks out on proposed U.S. Nuclear plant expansion. And the left wants more U.S. solar power. And we could use U.S. manpower to build and send such solar panels instead of pumping it into the F-35 program.
Iran achieves energy independence. We create more jobs.
It's a win / win scenario.
Yet an option I've yet heard to be discussed.
They don't need us for solar tech, that all comes from China anyways.
I've never been to Iran, but it is my understanding they have almost unlimited access to the giant burning orb in the sky. We should be discussing trading solar panel technology to offset what they would gain in nuclear technology. That makes sense if Iran's true intention is energy independence.
All liberals should be doing back-flips for such a proposal. The left freaks out on proposed U.S. Nuclear plant expansion. And the left wants more U.S. solar power. And we could use U.S. manpower to build and send such solar panels instead of pumping it into the F-35 program.
Iran achieves energy independence. We create more jobs.
It's a win / win scenario.
Yet an option I've yet heard to be discussed.
They don't need us for solar tech, that all comes from China anyways.
Exactly. They don't need us for energy independence, but they do need us.
What does Iraq have to do with the topic of this thread? I'm sure the Canadian navy is, "out there as well." Maybe the Bay of Fundy? The Gulf of Siam? Port of call at Subic Bay perhaps? No, you didn't call for a war, yet, but the speed with which you posted the news article about the "Iranians seizing a US ship" sure makes it seem that you wouldn't mind a war with Iran. Have we reached the point of no return yet?
So while Iran is seizing ships they are also cheating on the current sanctions that are already in place.
What does Iraq have to do with the topic of this thread? I'm sure the Canadian navy is, "out there as well." Maybe the Bay of Fundy? The Gulf of Siam? Port of call at Subic Bay perhaps? No, you didn't call for a war, yet, but the speed with which you posted the news article about the "Iranians seizing a US ship" sure makes it seem that you wouldn't mind a war with Iran. Have we reached the point of no return yet?
So while Iran is seizing ships they are also cheating on the current sanctions that are already in place.
Funny, you use the plural of ships. They didn't seize ships. They escorted a ship to an Iranian port. Any word from the Canadian navy on said seized ship? Why hasn't the Canadian navy liberated said ship?
Funny, you use the plural of ships. They didn't seize ships. They escorted a ship to an Iranian port. Any word from the Canadian navy on said seized ship? Why hasn't the Canadian navy liberated said ship?
I used the plural because it happened a few weeks ago as well. Do some research. Or don't.
Why don't you educate me oh wise Professor Chickenhawk?
Well you see there you go with your childish ways...
Me - no service - chickenhawk Tom Cotton - service - "I am warrior hear me roar"
Excuse me but you are a Chickenhawk as you are not able to serve, correct? You haven't openly advocated for a draft in Canada, nor are you willing, from what I believe, based on our dialog and posts, that you're open to paying taxes to support your war of choice. Thus, you and the consorter with the enemy, are CHICKENHAWKS.
Hello, I'm Tom Cotton. I proudly took on the Iranian regime via Twiiter. Vote for me, send me a dollar, Canadian or otherwise. Im a warrior, hear me ROAR!
Why don't you educate me oh wise Professor Chickenhawk?
Well you see there you go with your childish ways...
Me - no service - chickenhawk Tom Cotton - service - "I am warrior hear me roar"
Excuse me but you are a Chickenhawk as you are not able to serve, correct? You haven't openly advocated for a draft in Canada, nor are you willing, from what I believe, based on our dialog and posts, that you're open to paying taxes to support your war of choice. Thus, you and the consorter with the enemy, are CHICKENHAWKS.
Hello, I'm Tom Cotton. I proudly took on the Iranian regime via Twiiter. Vote for me, send me a dollar, Canadian or otherwise. Im a warrior, hear me ROAR!
Funny, you use the plural of ships. They didn't seize ships. They escorted a ship to an Iranian port. Any word from the Canadian navy on said seized ship? Why hasn't the Canadian navy liberated said ship?
I used the plural because it happened a few weeks ago as well. Do some research. Or don't.
Still waiting for the other ship you referenced. Wow, got a link? Wait, I don't believe in facts! Its my predetermined thoughts, minus thought, contemplation and work to determine, what might be really going on. Yo? you smoke pot?
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
I can only hope this will not be the end of the deal...
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"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
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War... what is it good for? absolutely Nothing!...
Sounds familiar? I do, strongly, believe in these words, but I'm only willing to fight for them with words...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/tag/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/within-shouting-distance-of-isil-755418&pubdate=2015-04-29&t=iraq
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com//news/world/fisher-canadian-contribution-to-fight-against-isil-744123
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This will be his legacy (as well as a healthcare system named after him, penned by the blue-eyed devil, Mitt Romney).
Do you dispute the international communities estimate for Iran's breakout time?
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Halifax, you make a good point that they only need a few years to accomplish a nuclear weapon development. If we sign this deal, they can put up a smokescreen for a few years as their economy recovers and the solidify their power while not complying.
Does anyone remember Hans Blix dealing with the Iraq smokescreen? Signing this deal could lead to war. We need to hold strong to get them to end the program.
We should be offering energy trades to end their nuclear program instead of letting them proceed as planned.
All liberals should be doing back-flips for such a proposal. The left freaks out on proposed U.S. Nuclear plant expansion. And the left wants more U.S. solar power. And we could use U.S. manpower to build and send such solar panels instead of pumping it into the F-35 program.
Iran achieves energy independence. We create more jobs.
It's a win / win scenario.
Yet an option I've yet heard to be discussed.
Oh, do they need us.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0NL09220150430?irpc=932
Still not time for war but maybe it's time for some of you to open your eyes.
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