Indiana Religious Liberties law....

BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,769
edited March 2015 in A Moving Train
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/03/26/gay-rights-groups-criticize-indiana-religious-liberties-law/

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R) signed a religious liberties bill into law Thursday that has been criticized by gay rights groups as a “license to discriminate.”

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act will prevent state and local governments from imposing a “substantial burden” on a person’s free exercise of religion, unless the government can prove that there is a compelling reason to do so. It mirrors a federal law enacted in 1993, and similar statutes on the books in 19 states.

But critics say it could pave the way for open discrimination against gay, bisexual and transgender people, giving business owners, landlords and others the right to refuse service to gays under the guise of religious protection.

The act is similar to a bill that came under fire last year in Arizona. The governor at the time, Jan Brewer, ultimately vetoed the legislation under intense pressure from businesses, fellow Republican lawmakers and the National Football League. But on Thursday, Pence praised the law as an important measure to protect people of faith in Indiana.

[Related: How Apple, the NFL and other big businesses helped kill the Arizona bill]

“This bill is not about discrimination, and if I thought it legalized discrimination in any way in Indiana, I would have vetoed it,” Pence said in a statement, adding that it will “ensure that Indiana will continue to be a place where we respect freedom of religion.”

The move prompted an immediate backlash from some members of the business community and the NCAA, which is based in Indianapolis. “We are especially concerned about how this legislation could affect our student-athletes and employees,” NCAA President Mark Emmert wrote in a statement.

The chief executive of Salesforce and a co-founder of PayPal also criticized the law via Twitter, with the former company suggesting that it will reduce its business in the state.

The American Civil Liberties Union called the measure retribution after a federal judge struck down the state’s same-sex marriage ban last year.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    edited March 2015
    Can't we move past all this nonsense.
    Live and let live.

    The same freedoms afforded to those seeking religious freedoms should be exactly the same as the ones offered to those who live an alternate lifestyle.Why should one belief carry more weight then the others.Stupido.

    I mean it is Indiana.......
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    rr165892 said:

    Can't we move past all this nonsense.
    Live and let live.

    The same freedoms afforded to those seeking religious freedoms should be exactly the same as the ones offered to those who choose an alternate lifestyle.Why does one belief carry more weight then the other.Stupido.

    I mean it is Indiana.......

    I agree....except it's not a choice, or belief, or a lifestyle anymore than being hetero is a choice or belief or lifestyle.
  • KatKat Posts: 4,871
    I thought of this when I learned of this law. It just reminded me of it.

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    rr165892 said:

    Can't we move past all this nonsense.
    Live and let live.

    The same freedoms afforded to those seeking religious freedoms should be exactly the same as the ones offered to those who choose an alternate lifestyle.Why does one belief carry more weight then the other.Stupido.

    I mean it is Indiana.......

    It's not a choice.
    There is no difference between refusing service to a gay person because they're gay and refusing it to a black person because of the colour of their skin.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    edited March 2015
    Drowned-Pj Choose was a poor choice of words I Agrree its not a choice.U got the jist though.Equality is where I was going.
    I've removed the coose word from above post-Damn word police around here.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    Is there anything in this Indiana law that prohibits racial discrimination based on religious beliefs? If Indiana wants to turn back the clock on progress, I hope they're punished for it economically.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    This law is unbelievable. This certainly does pave the way for legal discrimination.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    It will only be a matter of time before the KKK pops its head up in Indiana again. Don't be surprised when racists start using this law.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177

    It will only be a matter of time before the KKK pops its head up in Indiana again. Don't be surprised when racists start using this law.

    Exactly. And I really hope it happens soon. I'd like there to be a blatant example of racial discrimination demonstrated by this law so that the people of Indiana see that this isn't about religious freedom at all, it is about legalized discrimination - the very thing Pence assured everyone was not the case.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    I would like to see the NFL say no more combine or Super Bowls,like they threatened in AZ.Money Talks!
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    rr165892 said:

    I would like to see the NFL say no more combine or Super Bowls,like they threatened in AZ.Money Talks!

    Ha! Indiana doesn't give a fuck about the Colts!
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,769
    Look for this law or something like it coming to a state near you soon :anguished:
  • WhatYouTaughtMeWhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    edited March 2015

    Look for this law or something like it coming to a state near you soon :anguished:

    I disliked Jan Brewer but was very proud of her and surprised when she shot a similar law down in AZ.

    Edit - shouldn't say proud of her. It's something any decent person should've done.
    Post edited by WhatYouTaughtMe on
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    edited March 2015
    I can't imagine the Indiana supreme court upholding this law.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    I hate this law as well but what I cannot understand are people who want to boycott Indiana while at the same time seek to make deals with Iran. One of those places actually hangs gays as a matter of pride. Let's try to fight both with equal vigor.
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Fuckin A. Let's send the military into Indiana and overthrow their government.
    So apples to oranges. Nice try tho
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Yeah...you're right...my bad. Let's put sanctions on Indiana but let's lift them on Iran.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138

    rr165892 said:

    I would like to see the NFL say no more combine or Super Bowls,like they threatened in AZ.Money Talks!

    Ha! Indiana doesn't give a fuck about the Colts!
    You know nothing, Jon Snow.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    The one good thing about this is that Pence pretty just much set his hut on fire. He is the reason I voted for this guy to be my governor ...

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  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    edited March 2015
    jeffbr said:

    It will only be a matter of time before the KKK pops its head up in Indiana again. Don't be surprised when racists start using this law.

    Exactly. And I really hope it happens soon. I'd like there to be a blatant example of racial discrimination demonstrated by this law so that the people of Indiana see that this isn't about religious freedom at all, it is about legalized discrimination - the very thing Pence assured everyone was not the case.
    Racial discrimination already legally exists. Just ask the Feguson PD, NYPD, Chicago PD, Cleveland PD, LAPD,St. Louis PD, Albuquerque PD, Minneapolis PD, Boston PD, etc. etc.

    http://economics.ucr.edu/seminars_colloquia/2006/political_economy_development/KateAntonovics4-10-2006.pdf
    http://www.nyclu.org/issues/racial-justice/stop-and-frisk-practices
    https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-free-speech-immigrants-rights-technology-and-liberty/we-need-move-beyond-fr

    And Indianapolis PDhttp://www.indianapolisrecorder.com/opinion/article_3391d4ff-1c4b-5d04-a260-3157dc1afef4.html

    Can't we move past all this nonsense.
    Live and let live
    Interesting choice of words, rr.
    Especially after your stance in the Wisconsin thread.
    Post edited by backseatLover12 on
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jason P said:

    The one good thing about this is that Pence pretty just much set his hut on fire. He is the reason I voted for this guy to be my governor ...

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    Monsieur P (if that is your real name!)
    image
    You have been missed.
    Also, I believe I've previously mentioned my love of Rupert. What a good guy. Need more of him.

    (not literally, but still...)
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    BS44325 said:

    Yeah...you're right...my bad. Let's put sanctions on Indiana but let's lift them on Iran.

    But why do you have to bring Iran into this discussion again Iran has zero to do with Indiana & this law ...
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    Yeah...you're right...my bad. Let's put sanctions on Indiana but let's lift them on Iran.

    But why do you have to bring Iran into this discussion again Iran has zero to do with Indiana & this law ...
    Because gay rights should be fought for everywhere not just where it is convenient
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Yeah...you're right...my bad. Let's put sanctions on Indiana but let's lift them on Iran.

    But why do you have to bring Iran into this discussion again Iran has zero to do with Indiana & this law ...
    Because gay rights should be fought for everywhere not just where it is convenient
    I agree but this is about this law in Indiana , just start another thread about Iran ok so tell me what do you think about this law
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Yeah...you're right...my bad. Let's put sanctions on Indiana but let's lift them on Iran.

    But why do you have to bring Iran into this discussion again Iran has zero to do with Indiana & this law ...
    Because gay rights should be fought for everywhere not just where it is convenient
    That is a huge stretch right there. This is a domestic situation of interstate commerce and you can't legitimately compare that to the inner workings of a sovereign nation. The negotiations taking place have nothing to do with the Indiana problem, unless you live in Hannityland.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    If the US boycotted all nations with unsatisfactory civil rights there wouldn't be much commerce happening.
    There is also a huge difference in a private business boycotting a state and the government doing so. I doubt Salesforce does much business with Iran.
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    rgambs said:

    If the US boycotted all nations with unsatisfactory civil rights there wouldn't be much commerce happening.
    There is also a huge difference in a private business boycotting a state and the government doing so. I doubt Salesforce does much business with Iran.

    This^. It's so obvious I didn't bother with the reply yesterday. Sanctions against rival nations are purely political and have nothing to do with fighting for rights. Warmongers and their double standards... phony righteousness. Thanks gambs
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    rgambs said:

    If the US boycotted all nations with unsatisfactory civil rights there wouldn't be much commerce happening.
    There is also a huge difference in a private business boycotting a state and the government doing so. I doubt Salesforce does much business with Iran.

    This^. It's so obvious I didn't bother with the reply yesterday. Sanctions against rival nations are purely political and have nothing to do with fighting for rights. Warmongers and their double standards... phony righteousness. Thanks gambs
    Yeah again my bad. Phony Righteousness. Let's lift all sanctions and give these guys nukes.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/12/iran-s-new-gay-executions.html

  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Did you read that before posting?
    "when Iran persecutes gay people, conservatives in the United States suddenly become enamored of gay rights—and bash the Obama administration for not doing enough to defend them."
    "Even as conservatives fight LGBT equality at home, Puar says, they champion it overseas—as long as it serves their interests to do so."
    "For all these reasons, don’t expect the Obama administration, or the LGBT movement, to raise a hue and cry over this latest travesty of justice. As horrifying as this tragedy is, we might only be able to make it worse."

    Seems like the article is pointing out some of the phony righteousness you are denying...?
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  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/03/26/gay-rights-groups-criticize-indiana-religious-liberties-law/

    Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R) signed a religious liberties bill into law Thursday that has been criticized by gay rights groups as a “license to discriminate.”

    The Religious Freedom Restoration Act will prevent state and local governments from imposing a “substantial burden” on a person’s free exercise of religion, unless the government can prove that there is a compelling reason to do so. It mirrors a federal law enacted in 1993, and similar statutes on the books in 19 states.

    But critics say it could pave the way for open discrimination against gay, bisexual and transgender people, giving business owners, landlords and others the right to refuse service to gays under the guise of religious protection.
    ...
    “This bill is not about discrimination, and if I thought it legalized discrimination in any way in Indiana, I would have vetoed it,” Pence said in a statement, adding that it will “ensure that Indiana will continue to be a place where we respect freedom of religion.”

    This law IS discrimination in its purest form. It is legally allowing one person at his/her discretion to allow or deny service to another person. The fact that the decision to allow or deny is based solely on the first person’s religious beliefs does not change that it is, indeed, discrimination.


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