i am in a local band here in st louis and we have bouncers in front and on either side of the stage. nobody can even get near us unless we allow it.
this woman should sue the venue as well.
she had no place on that stage, but he also had no business knocking her out.
Security should have been there, but I disagree with the suggestion she should sue the venue- even though there is significant legal precedence rewarding such stupidity.
Courts need to stop rewarding people for their poor choices
If this guy did this in the Santa Clara 49ers stadium, he would have probably filed a lawsuit and won ...
is it bad that i laughed at that guy when i first saw that video?
It is pretty funny except the dumbass landed on someone and injured them.
The good people of buffalo .... he was banned for life from Bills games ... his boss immediately fired him ... and he is going to do 1 - 2 years in the clink.
The man did time? What was the charge?
The guy was clearly a knob end, hope the person he landed on wasn't too badly injured.
i am in a local band here in st louis and we have bouncers in front and on either side of the stage. nobody can even get near us unless we allow it.
this woman should sue the venue as well.
she had no place on that stage, but he also had no business knocking her out.
Security should have been there, but I disagree with the suggestion she should sue the venue- even though there is significant legal precedence rewarding such stupidity.
Courts need to stop rewarding people for their poor choices
If this guy did this in the Santa Clara 49ers stadium, he would have probably filed a lawsuit and won ...
Hahahaha, holyshit, you think this guy saw his life flash before his eyes that split second before he fell? Holyshit!
he was all good until he got snagged on that piece of rail.... I wonder what his blood alcohol level was?
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i am in a local band here in st louis and we have bouncers in front and on either side of the stage. nobody can even get near us unless we allow it.
this woman should sue the venue as well.
she had no place on that stage, but he also had no business knocking her out.
Security should have been there, but I disagree with the suggestion she should sue the venue- even though there is significant legal precedence rewarding such stupidity.
Courts need to stop rewarding people for their poor choices
If this guy did this in the Santa Clara 49ers stadium, he would have probably filed a lawsuit and won ...
is it bad that i laughed at that guy when i first saw that video?
It is pretty funny except the dumbass landed on someone and injured them.
The good people of buffalo .... he was banned for life from Bills games ... his boss immediately fired him ... and he is going to do 1 - 2 years in the clink.
The man did time? What was the charge?
The guy was clearly a knob end, hope the person he landed on wasn't too badly injured.
third-degree assault and second-degree reckless endangerment
Dr. Loubert Steven Suddaby, Bratcher's neurosurgeon, testified that Bratcher, 29, had bulging discs in two places in his cervical spine and a herniated disc in his middle spine. He said if the impact had been only two inches forward, Bratcher could have been killed or left a quadriplegic.
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2008- Columbia, SC
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2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
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2014- Cincinnati, OH
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I spoke too soon ... he could have gotten 1 - 2 years in the clink but instead got 100 hours of community service. Fuck you, citizens of Buffalo. For shame! For shame!
He's a Bills fan, hasn't he been punished enough? (Fellow Bills fan here)
you can sue anybody for anything in this country. it might get laughed out of court, but you can sue anyone and seek damages for the slightest perceived wrong. depends on the judge and jury.
of course you can. but it seems you are advocating for her to do this? is that what you are saying?
if she suffered injury in a place hosting a concert where alcohol is sold, there is liability there. so yeah, she should sue to get her medical bills paid. i am sure they have insurance to cover things like this.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
you can sue anybody for anything in this country. it might get laughed out of court, but you can sue anyone and seek damages for the slightest perceived wrong. depends on the judge and jury.
of course you can. but it seems you are advocating for her to do this? is that what you are saying?
if she suffered injury in a place hosting a concert where alcohol is sold, there is liability there. so yeah, she should sue to get her medical bills paid. i am sure they have insurance to cover things like this.
You are speaking to two things:
1. The reality. 2. One of the problems with your country.
She likely does have a lawsuit, but she sure as hell shouldn't. It's the blame game.
you can sue anybody for anything in this country. it might get laughed out of court, but you can sue anyone and seek damages for the slightest perceived wrong. depends on the judge and jury.
of course you can. but it seems you are advocating for her to do this? is that what you are saying?
if she suffered injury in a place hosting a concert where alcohol is sold, there is liability there. so yeah, she should sue to get her medical bills paid. i am sure they have insurance to cover things like this.
You are speaking to two things:
1. The reality. 2. One of the problems with your country.
She likely does have a lawsuit, but she sure as hell shouldn't. It's the blame game.
did she reasonably expect to get knocked the fuck out?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i am in a local band here in st louis and we have bouncers in front and on either side of the stage. nobody can even get near us unless we allow it.
this woman should sue the venue as well.
she had no place on that stage, but he also had no business knocking her out.
Security should have been there, but I disagree with the suggestion she should sue the venue- even though there is significant legal precedence rewarding such stupidity.
Courts need to stop rewarding people for their poor choices
If this guy did this in the Santa Clara 49ers stadium, he would have probably filed a lawsuit and won ...
If the people down below that he landed on saw the whole thing, they'd be with in their right- if I was the policymaker on what is right- to kick his ass on the spot.
you can sue anybody for anything in this country. it might get laughed out of court, but you can sue anyone and seek damages for the slightest perceived wrong. depends on the judge and jury.
of course you can. but it seems you are advocating for her to do this? is that what you are saying?
if she suffered injury in a place hosting a concert where alcohol is sold, there is liability there. so yeah, she should sue to get her medical bills paid. i am sure they have insurance to cover things like this.
You are speaking to two things:
1. The reality. 2. One of the problems with your country.
She likely does have a lawsuit, but she sure as hell shouldn't. It's the blame game.
did she reasonably expect to get knocked the fuck out?
the venue didn't knock her out. the contracted performer did. she went on stage where the general public are generally not allowed. what you are saying is the venue is at fault for not protecting this drunk from herself. I don't personally agree with that line of thinking.
you can sue anybody for anything in this country. it might get laughed out of court, but you can sue anyone and seek damages for the slightest perceived wrong. depends on the judge and jury.
of course you can. but it seems you are advocating for her to do this? is that what you are saying?
if she suffered injury in a place hosting a concert where alcohol is sold, there is liability there. so yeah, she should sue to get her medical bills paid. i am sure they have insurance to cover things like this.
You are speaking to two things:
1. The reality. 2. One of the problems with your country.
She likely does have a lawsuit, but she sure as hell shouldn't. It's the blame game.
did she reasonably expect to get knocked the fuck out?
No, but her idiocy spawned further dumbassedness. Again - why not have the artiste foot the bill for his actions?
you can sue anybody for anything in this country. it might get laughed out of court, but you can sue anyone and seek damages for the slightest perceived wrong. depends on the judge and jury.
of course you can. but it seems you are advocating for her to do this? is that what you are saying?
if she suffered injury in a place hosting a concert where alcohol is sold, there is liability there. so yeah, she should sue to get her medical bills paid. i am sure they have insurance to cover things like this.
You are speaking to two things:
1. The reality. 2. One of the problems with your country.
She likely does have a lawsuit, but she sure as hell shouldn't. It's the blame game.
did she reasonably expect to get knocked the fuck out?
the venue didn't knock her out. the contracted performer did. she went on stage where the general public are generally not allowed. what you are saying is the venue is at fault for not protecting this drunk from herself. I don't personally agree with that line of thinking.
i don't make the laws.
but still, as a venue owner, safety and security should be number 1 priority over everything else. did the security keep the artist safe? no. did security keep the fan safe? clearly not. could the venue have done more for security? yes.
all i am saying is that is how the law works in this country.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
you can sue anybody for anything in this country. it might get laughed out of court, but you can sue anyone and seek damages for the slightest perceived wrong. depends on the judge and jury.
of course you can. but it seems you are advocating for her to do this? is that what you are saying?
if she suffered injury in a place hosting a concert where alcohol is sold, there is liability there. so yeah, she should sue to get her medical bills paid. i am sure they have insurance to cover things like this.
You are speaking to two things:
1. The reality. 2. One of the problems with your country.
She likely does have a lawsuit, but she sure as hell shouldn't. It's the blame game.
did she reasonably expect to get knocked the fuck out?
the venue didn't knock her out. the contracted performer did. she went on stage where the general public are generally not allowed. what you are saying is the venue is at fault for not protecting this drunk from herself. I don't personally agree with that line of thinking.
Blaming the venue for not having somebody there to stop herself from being herself. "It's not my fault I'm a doosh!"
you can sue anybody for anything in this country. it might get laughed out of court, but you can sue anyone and seek damages for the slightest perceived wrong. depends on the judge and jury.
of course you can. but it seems you are advocating for her to do this? is that what you are saying?
if she suffered injury in a place hosting a concert where alcohol is sold, there is liability there. so yeah, she should sue to get her medical bills paid. i am sure they have insurance to cover things like this.
You are speaking to two things:
1. The reality. 2. One of the problems with your country.
She likely does have a lawsuit, but she sure as hell shouldn't. It's the blame game.
did she reasonably expect to get knocked the fuck out?
the venue didn't knock her out. the contracted performer did. she went on stage where the general public are generally not allowed. what you are saying is the venue is at fault for not protecting this drunk from herself. I don't personally agree with that line of thinking.
Blaming the venue for not having somebody there to stop herself from being herself. "It's not my fault I'm a doosh!"
I don't agree with that line of thinking either.
disagree all you want. all i am saying is that she will find an attorney to sue the venue, and she will get a settlement out of it. who knows, maybe the settlement will just be that they are required to provide more security.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
you can sue anybody for anything in this country. it might get laughed out of court, but you can sue anyone and seek damages for the slightest perceived wrong. depends on the judge and jury.
of course you can. but it seems you are advocating for her to do this? is that what you are saying?
if she suffered injury in a place hosting a concert where alcohol is sold, there is liability there. so yeah, she should sue to get her medical bills paid. i am sure they have insurance to cover things like this.
You are speaking to two things:
1. The reality. 2. One of the problems with your country.
She likely does have a lawsuit, but she sure as hell shouldn't. It's the blame game.
did she reasonably expect to get knocked the fuck out?
the venue didn't knock her out. the contracted performer did. she went on stage where the general public are generally not allowed. what you are saying is the venue is at fault for not protecting this drunk from herself. I don't personally agree with that line of thinking.
Blaming the venue for not having somebody there to stop herself from being herself. "It's not my fault I'm a doosh!"
I don't agree with that line of thinking either.
disagree all you want. all i am saying is that she will find an attorney to sue the venue, and she will get a settlement out of it. who knows, maybe the settlement will just be that they are required to provide more security.
And all I'm saying is there is something fundamentally wrong with that.
I realize you are only speaking the reality to the situation. This doesn't make it right though: blaming others for your actions.
I fall down a set of stairs that is not unlike the countless other stairs I have successfully navigated throughout my lifetime... and you are to blame. Not me- the careless klutz- you... the homeowner who happened to be the homeowner when I carelessly lost my footing on a set of stairs.
if someone falls down the steps on my front porch they can sue my insurance company for treatment of injuries they incur.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I KNOW that is how it works there. I'm not arguing what CAN be done. I'm just kind of surprised that you seem to be a cheerleader for this type of thing.
Just because the venue has insurance doesn't mean it's ok to exploit it. This is the type of mentality that makes insurance so expensive for everyone, including future insurance of the venue.
Falling down steps at your house is one thing. You are responsible for that. that's not really comparable to a third party causing injury. Maybe if your plumber pushed her down the stairs? I don't know. I still think that wouldn't be your fault, it would be between her and your plumber.
I still think if there is any lawsuit against anyone, it should be against the perpertator of the act. not the ones holding the event.
So, obviously, Orchard Park will face a law suit because their railings weren't high enough to deter people from sliding down them?
The facility had an inherent responsibility to account for the stupidity in people and safeguard the fools from being tempted to do something completely moronic.
So, obviously, Orchard Park will face a law suit because their railings weren't high enough to deter people from sliding down them?
The facility had an inherent responsibility to account for the stupidity in people and safeguard the fools from being tempted to do something completely moronic.
only if afroman slapped him upside the head when he landed.
"cause I fell from high, fell from high, fe-ell from high-eye"
if someone falls down the steps on my front porch they can sue my insurance company for treatment of injuries they incur.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I KNOW that is how it works there. I'm not arguing what CAN be done. I'm just kind of surprised that you seem to be a cheerleader for this type of thing.
Just because the venue has insurance doesn't mean it's ok to exploit it. This is the type of mentality that makes insurance so expensive for everyone, including future insurance of the venue.
Falling down steps at your house is one thing. You are responsible for that. that's not really comparable to a third party causing injury. Maybe if your plumber pushed her down the stairs? I don't know. I still think that wouldn't be your fault, it would be between her and your plumber.
I still think if there is any lawsuit against anyone, it should be against the perpertator of the act. not the ones holding the event.
i am not exploiting it. i am not advocating it. perhaps my cynicism has made me careless with the message i was contributing to the debate. i am not saying i advocate it at all. i am just saying what is going to happen and what an attorney worth 5 cents would argue.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
if someone falls down the steps on my front porch they can sue my insurance company for treatment of injuries they incur.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I KNOW that is how it works there. I'm not arguing what CAN be done. I'm just kind of surprised that you seem to be a cheerleader for this type of thing.
Just because the venue has insurance doesn't mean it's ok to exploit it. This is the type of mentality that makes insurance so expensive for everyone, including future insurance of the venue.
Falling down steps at your house is one thing. You are responsible for that. that's not really comparable to a third party causing injury. Maybe if your plumber pushed her down the stairs? I don't know. I still think that wouldn't be your fault, it would be between her and your plumber.
I still think if there is any lawsuit against anyone, it should be against the perpertator of the act. not the ones holding the event.
i am not exploiting it. i am not advocating it. perhaps my cynicism has made me careless with the message i was contributing to the debate. i am not saying i advocate it at all. i am just saying what is going to happen and what an attorney worth 5 cents would argue.
ok, but seems a bit of backtracking, when just earlier you said this:
"this woman should sue the venue as well."
you didn't say she "will" or "could". you said she "should". you also asked "where was security?". it seemed like you were blaming the venue and the woman first and second and the man that threw the punch a distant third.
That Knockout Is Gonna Cost Him ... The woman Afroman sucker punched during a concert this week is getting ready to strike back ... in court. TMZ has learned the woman -- a 21-year-old named Haley -- hired an attorney ... who tells us Haley suffered multiple injuries to her neck, jaw and back after the attack. Her lawyer Tim Holleman also thinks she may have suffered a mild concussion ... since she doesn't remember the punch. Even though our video shows Haley wandering on stage -- Holleman says the venue should bare some responsibility since security did nothing to remove her.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Attorneys go where the money is ... and I don't think that path leads to Afroman whose net assets are most likely the trade-in value of a 1993 Ford E-Series van.
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The guy was clearly a knob end, hope the person he landed on wasn't too badly injured.
I wonder what his blood alcohol level was?
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Dr. Loubert Steven Suddaby, Bratcher's neurosurgeon, testified that Bratcher, 29, had bulging discs in two places in his cervical spine and a herniated disc in his middle spine. He said if the impact had been only two inches forward, Bratcher could have been killed or left a quadriplegic.
cbsnews.com/news/buffalo-bills-fan-who-fell-from-stadium-found-guilty/
the dumb bastard was probably bored.
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2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
1. The reality.
2. One of the problems with your country.
She likely does have a lawsuit, but she sure as hell shouldn't. It's the blame game.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Stupid idiot.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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but still, as a venue owner, safety and security should be number 1 priority over everything else. did the security keep the artist safe? no. did security keep the fan safe? clearly not. could the venue have done more for security? yes.
all i am saying is that is how the law works in this country.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I don't agree with that line of thinking either.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I realize you are only speaking the reality to the situation. This doesn't make it right though: blaming others for your actions.
I fall down a set of stairs that is not unlike the countless other stairs I have successfully navigated throughout my lifetime... and you are to blame. Not me- the careless klutz- you... the homeowner who happened to be the homeowner when I carelessly lost my footing on a set of stairs.
It's ridiculous.
Just because the venue has insurance doesn't mean it's ok to exploit it. This is the type of mentality that makes insurance so expensive for everyone, including future insurance of the venue.
Falling down steps at your house is one thing. You are responsible for that. that's not really comparable to a third party causing injury. Maybe if your plumber pushed her down the stairs? I don't know. I still think that wouldn't be your fault, it would be between her and your plumber.
I still think if there is any lawsuit against anyone, it should be against the perpertator of the act. not the ones holding the event.
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The facility had an inherent responsibility to account for the stupidity in people and safeguard the fools from being tempted to do something completely moronic.
"cause I fell from high, fell from high, fe-ell from high-eye"
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haha, didn't even know that smiley existed. scroll over it to see how it reads. LOL
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"this woman should sue the venue as well."
you didn't say she "will" or "could". you said she "should". you also asked "where was security?". it seemed like you were blaming the venue and the woman first and second and the man that threw the punch a distant third.
that was my understanding of your posts, anyway.
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That Knockout Is Gonna Cost Him ... The woman Afroman sucker punched during a concert this week is getting ready to strike back ... in court. TMZ has learned the woman -- a 21-year-old named Haley -- hired an attorney ... who tells us Haley suffered multiple injuries to her neck, jaw and back after the attack. Her lawyer Tim Holleman also thinks she may have suffered a mild concussion ... since she doesn't remember the punch. Even though our video shows Haley wandering on stage -- Holleman says the venue should bare some responsibility since security did nothing to remove her.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."