Charlie Hebdo Paris shooting: 12 dead after gunmen storm newspaper's HQ

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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    I imagine we will start seeing articles soon that assert such involvement by western intelligence, but I doubt we will ever reach a consensus that the charges have been "proven".
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    but I am not going to print anything that is just an obvious attempt to incite rage.



    Don't know whose quote this was but if people are going to rage about a comic, the bank getting robbed, the fact the person beside me on the bus can't speak any of the two official languages of the country I live in, etc., they may well just off themselves to save the rest of us who can get along with the way the world runs. Incite rage, SWEET!

    Don't like the new country you want to call home and the way they run their bizniz, just fuck off back home. Nobody will miss you. And while you are their don't open a magazine that will put you in a rage.

    People on this board trying to defend killing because you are outraged. Fucking odd balls!

    I'll say it again in hopes that people can actually fucking get this through their heads: no one is defending killing. NOT ONE PERSON.

    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    JimmyV wrote: »
    dignin wrote: »
    When did printing cartoons become bullying? Having your office firebombed is being bullied. Murdering 12 cartoonists is bullying. Printing cartoons is not bullying.

    I don't know, but it is a good question.

    how would you feel if someone printed a cartoon of one of your loved ones, or someone you respect, or whatever, being fucked in the ass by a donkey, or whatever the hell it was? i'm pretty sure that's the very definition of bullying.

    if there was a magazine out there with ed getting anally raped by scott stapp, this place would fucking explode.

    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    paulonious wrote: »
    JimmyV wrote: »
    dignin wrote: »
    When did printing cartoons become bullying? Having your office firebombed is being bullied. Murdering 12 cartoonists is bullying. Printing cartoons is not bullying.

    I don't know, but it is a good question.

    how would you feel if someone printed a cartoon of one of your loved ones, or someone you respect, or whatever, being fucked in the ass by a donkey, or whatever the hell it was? i'm pretty sure that's the very definition of bullying.

    if there was a magazine out there with ed getting anally raped by scott stapp, this place would fucking explode.

    It would upset me. Would I go murder that person? No.

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    JimmyV wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    JimmyV wrote: »
    dignin wrote: »
    When did printing cartoons become bullying? Having your office firebombed is being bullied. Murdering 12 cartoonists is bullying. Printing cartoons is not bullying.

    I don't know, but it is a good question.

    how would you feel if someone printed a cartoon of one of your loved ones, or someone you respect, or whatever, being fucked in the ass by a donkey, or whatever the hell it was? i'm pretty sure that's the very definition of bullying.

    if there was a magazine out there with ed getting anally raped by scott stapp, this place would fucking explode.

    It would upset me. Would I go murder that person? No.

    didn't say you would. but you agreed with dignin originally that printing a cartoon was not bullying, which was my point.

    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    paulonious wrote: »
    JimmyV wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    JimmyV wrote: »
    dignin wrote: »
    When did printing cartoons become bullying? Having your office firebombed is being bullied. Murdering 12 cartoonists is bullying. Printing cartoons is not bullying.

    I don't know, but it is a good question.

    how would you feel if someone printed a cartoon of one of your loved ones, or someone you respect, or whatever, being fucked in the ass by a donkey, or whatever the hell it was? i'm pretty sure that's the very definition of bullying.

    if there was a magazine out there with ed getting anally raped by scott stapp, this place would fucking explode.

    It would upset me. Would I go murder that person? No.

    didn't say you would. but you agreed with dignin originally that printing a cartoon was not bullying, which was my point.

    Upsetting someone is not the same as bullying them. Those aren't synonymous terms.

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  • If the attacks result in Charlie Hebdo exercising restraint for fear of extreme retribution, then they have been bullied and effectively censored.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,289
    All is well between France and America again ....

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQSkuDWhaAo
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    That's just a bit too close for comfort. Looks like a twirling dance or soulful kiss is about to happen.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    badbrains wrote: »
    Hahahaha eastern food? Hahahaha no gf, we're actually making REAL authentic California food, carne asada tacos and chicken tacos, rice and beans. And let's be REAL here, LA is big but not that big. I've been driving around the whole week bro. Stop kidding yourself. Everyone else is more then welcome.

    Edit-last night I went from LA to Costa Mesa in 45 mins. That's LA-Costa Mesa, by Newport Beach. Gas is expensive but not that expensive. Hahaha. It's 2.39 a gallon now. Was 3.99 when I moved back to jersey on 2011. Hahaha

    carne asada tacos and chicken tacos, rice and beans...yes that is a BBQ ! sounds awesome.

    Godfather.

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Jason P wrote: »
    All is well between France and America again ....

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQSkuDWhaAo

    ahhh dude ! that picture makes my guts turn please make it go away HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHA


    Godfather.

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    JimmyV wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    JimmyV wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    JimmyV wrote: »
    dignin wrote: »
    When did printing cartoons become bullying? Having your office firebombed is being bullied. Murdering 12 cartoonists is bullying. Printing cartoons is not bullying.

    I don't know, but it is a good question.

    how would you feel if someone printed a cartoon of one of your loved ones, or someone you respect, or whatever, being fucked in the ass by a donkey, or whatever the hell it was? i'm pretty sure that's the very definition of bullying.

    if there was a magazine out there with ed getting anally raped by scott stapp, this place would fucking explode.

    It would upset me. Would I go murder that person? No.

    didn't say you would. but you agreed with dignin originally that printing a cartoon was not bullying, which was my point.

    Upsetting someone is not the same as bullying them. Those aren't synonymous terms.

    now you are just arguing semantics.

    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    paulonious wrote: »
    JimmyV wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    JimmyV wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    JimmyV wrote: »
    dignin wrote: »
    When did printing cartoons become bullying? Having your office firebombed is being bullied. Murdering 12 cartoonists is bullying. Printing cartoons is not bullying.

    I don't know, but it is a good question.

    how would you feel if someone printed a cartoon of one of your loved ones, or someone you respect, or whatever, being fucked in the ass by a donkey, or whatever the hell it was? i'm pretty sure that's the very definition of bullying.

    if there was a magazine out there with ed getting anally raped by scott stapp, this place would fucking explode.

    It would upset me. Would I go murder that person? No.

    didn't say you would. but you agreed with dignin originally that printing a cartoon was not bullying, which was my point.

    Upsetting someone is not the same as bullying them. Those aren't synonymous terms.

    now you are just arguing semantics.

    No I'm not. You claimed bullying. I don't see it. Showing that someone may have been upset by something is not showing someone was bullied. People are upset by things all the time, both rightly and wrongly. Someone being upset by something is not proof someone was bullied. That is not semantics.

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    JimmyV wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    JimmyV wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    JimmyV wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    JimmyV wrote: »
    dignin wrote: »
    When did printing cartoons become bullying? Having your office firebombed is being bullied. Murdering 12 cartoonists is bullying. Printing cartoons is not bullying.

    I don't know, but it is a good question.

    how would you feel if someone printed a cartoon of one of your loved ones, or someone you respect, or whatever, being fucked in the ass by a donkey, or whatever the hell it was? i'm pretty sure that's the very definition of bullying.

    if there was a magazine out there with ed getting anally raped by scott stapp, this place would fucking explode.

    It would upset me. Would I go murder that person? No.

    didn't say you would. but you agreed with dignin originally that printing a cartoon was not bullying, which was my point.

    Upsetting someone is not the same as bullying them. Those aren't synonymous terms.

    now you are just arguing semantics.

    No I'm not. You claimed bullying. I don't see it. Showing that someone may have been upset by something is not showing someone was bullied. People are upset by things all the time, both rightly and wrongly. Someone being upset by something is not proof someone was bullied. That is not semantics.

    I know those words aren't synonymous.....but in the context I presented, I think it's pretty clear that it would be considered bullying. put that same situation in the classroom, or the workplace, etc, and it's considered bullying. putting it in mass media is no different. it's just a different vehicle.

    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    We obviously have a different view of what is and isn't bullying.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    If the attacks result in Charlie Hebdo exercising restraint for fear of extreme retribution, then they have been bullied and effectively censored.

    100% agree.

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    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    JimmyV wrote: »
    If the attacks result in Charlie Hebdo exercising restraint for fear of extreme retribution, then they have been bullied and effectively censored.

    100% agree.

    I would also agree with that.

    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited January 2015
    dignin wrote: »
    callen wrote: »
    Every newspaper, magazine, tv show should show image of Mohamed. Then we stop being considerate and call out all gods as BS. How can we as a seemingly intelligent species continue this charade. Humans.
    That is a great idea.

    I wonder what kind of cartoon would be drawn about this article?
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/12/saudi-arabia-snowmen-winter-fatwa
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    dignin wrote: »
    callen wrote: »
    Every newspaper, magazine, tv show should show image of Mohamed. Then we stop being considerate and call out all gods as BS. How can we as a seemingly intelligent species continue this charade. Humans.
    That is a great idea.

    I wonder what kind of cartoon would be drawn about this article?
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/12/saudi-arabia-snowmen-winter-fatwa

    And some people wonder why others of us make fun of religion. Arguing that a snowman made in the likeness of man is sinful? That sure is a lusty and erotic snowman and is clearly "anti-Islamic." :|
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    brianlux wrote: »
    I sometimes wonder what opinions would be shared of it were proven that one of these attacks was coordinated or coerced by western intelligence. Where would that leave the people who scream about free speech and call for violent retribution?

    I was imagining a similar scenario, Drowned Out. It's difficult to think that this could happen and I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories, but it is an interesting question to ponder.

    Why is it difficult to think it could happen? There are many examples of similar scenarios that have been verified and admitted to by western powers...conspiracies? Yes. Theories? No.

    No you're right, it's not difficult to think that it could happen, it's difficult and unsettling to think that maybe it did happen. Many theories surrounding conspiracies have been debunked... but of course, not all. That is unsettling.

    Now, folks, here's something that I've been hesitant to mention but I'll throw it out there because I'm curious as to whether or not this makes sense:

    Not too many years ago, many Americans were bashing the French because of France's opposition to the invasion of Iraq. We even went so far as to rename "French Fries"- "Freedom Fries". For some people here, everything French was evil.

    So this afternoon, while I was rummaging around in a local thrift store, the Rush Limbaugh show was being aired on that stores radio (always nice to have some entertainment going while shopping). The commentators were practically falling all over themselves talking about how we really need to rally to support the French people in the wake of the Charlie Hebo shootings.

    Now look, don't get me wrong. I'm NOT saying we should condone the shooting or that we should not have compassion for the French people. What I am questioning is why some segments of our population seem to be rather fickle when it comes to running the gamut from Franceophobia to Frenchophilia.

    Is this a stretch?

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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