only show i wasnt on the floor for. i thought thats the only reason i thought the crowd was bad. It gets mentioned for terrible crowd participation.
as for shows i havent been to
I had a DVD boot for albany 03 which did look kinda boring.. i think the 03 shows were a hit or miss cause of the random sets. but the band seem to rely on the songs flow creating a vibe for the show rather than keeping the energy going that tour.
Poland 07 was short, band weren't on at all, but had no problems with the crowd since I got an inkling of what it'd be like and stayed well away from the front.
Sydney 2 2006 was truly meh. More so than the 3 in 2003. Anyone who thinks the crowd doesn't matter doesn't get how much the band can feed off from the crowd, to give a better performance. Seattle 1 09 was also meh, but not nearly as much as Sydney 2 06.
Hinny..
I completely forgot about that Poland show! That's how good that one was. Leaky Park.
Sydney 2 2006 is definitely memorable because of Ed's hostility towards the crowd.
I suppose some other bad shows would be a couple of those Sydney 98 shows that were really really short. Don't think anyone was too happy during those shows. Memorable for me because I left to go to the bathroom. You always remember the first time.
I guess OZ gets the best of shows and the worst of shows.
Philly 2 was a damn good show but compared to night 1,3 and 4 it dosen't come close.
Philly 2 was my favorite night of the 4!
-No Way
-Push me, Pull me
-Speed of Sound (First time ever)
-lukin (with strings)
-Little wing tag (reminds me of the gorge everytime)
-Garden (original version)
Philly 2 was also the night that the dream to hear every song they have recorded was the strongest. That came crashing down on night 3.
I find it hard to believe that the first Chicago show from last year has gotten mentions in here. The band wore their hearts on their sleeves that night. I certainly don't think the performance was lacking in any way.
No shit man... Only negative from that night was that so many 10cer's ended up w/ not so great seats, but that's it. That was a killer show. I didn't talk to anyone that didn't think it wasn't great.
I haven't been to a bad show yet, although the high heat and humidity added in with being butts-to-nuts with 100,000 other people didn't make for the greatest experience at Lolla '07. Band was good though.
"In certain trying circumstances...profanity furnishes a relief denied even to prayer." - Mark Twain
A great show, but at the bottom of my list. Festival crowds suck.
Manchester 04.06.00, Leeds 25.08.06, Wembley 18.06.07, Dusseldorf 21.06.07, Shepherds Bush 11.08.09, Manchester 17.08.09, Adelaide 17.11.09, Melbourne 20.11.09, Sydney 22.11.09, Brisbane 25.11.09, MSG1 20.05.10, MSG2 21.05.10, Dublin 22.06.10, Belfast 23.06.10, London 25.06.10, Long Beach 06.07.11 (EV), Los Angeles 08.07.11 (EV), Toronto 11.09.11, Toronto 12.09.11, Ottawa 14.09.11, Hamilton 14.09.11, Manchester 20.06.12, Manchester 21.06.12, Amsterdam 26.06.2012, Amsterdam 27.06.2012, Berlin 04.07.12, Berlin 05.07.12, Stockholm 07.07.12, Oslo 09.07.12, Copenhagen 10.07.12, Manchester 28.07.12 (EV), Brooklyn 18.10.13, Brooklyn 19.10.13, Philly 21.10.13, Philly 22.10.13, San Diego 21.11.13, LA 23.11.13, LA 24.11.13, Oakland 26.11.13, Portland 29.11.13, Spokane 30.11.13, Calgary 02.12.13, Vancouver 04.12.13, Seattle 06.12.13, Trieste 22.06.14, Vienna 25.06.14, Berlin 26.06.14, Stockholm 28.06.14, Leeds 08.07.14, Philly 28.04.16, Philly 28.04.16, MSG1 01.05.16, MSG2 02.05.16
Would have to say my least favorite show I have seen is Birmingham, AL 2003. The show was short, the band/crowd did not seem into it at all, it was pretty cold (not as bad as East Troy 2000).
Chicago 3 was probably the weakest show I've seen.
Not sure how anybody could say Boise 00. That boot is probably my favorite from that tour. I do love the Cincy boot, but compared to alot of the other boots, it seems kinda average. Sweet setlist though.
I was way up in the nosebleeds for Chicago 1 09, and it's close, but I think I prefer it to Chicago 2. Bit of a moody, introspective setlist, but I really dug it and the crowd seemed really into it from where I was.
In regards to there being mostly shows from 03...Every year is gonna have its share, but I haven't noticed more 03 shows than some of the more recent years. At least one of them is pretty disputable, Champaign 03 was a monster show.
Big fan of Albany 2003. Best version of I am Mine, great way to start that show... Nice Alive/Baba combo at the end. People Have the Power, and Rachel! Maybe I liked it because I had a great seat, whatever.
But least favorites.. any of the four Camden/MSG shows from 2008. They just didn't do it for me. Nice to see WMA, but it was kind of a weird version. Just nothing legendary about those shows.
Hershey 2003 was terrible. The band was flat and visibly exhausted from Boston 3 the night before. The crowd was just putrid. Newark 2010 had an incredible set list but there was just something bad about that show. The other 46 were a ok.
Hershey 2003 was terrible. The band was flat and visibly exhausted from Boston 3 the night before. The crowd was just putrid. Newark 2010 had an incredible set list but there was just something bad about that show. The other 46 were a ok.
I left Newark thinking how the set was so great but the soaking wet crowd (rain storm) brought down the energy so much. I still love the boot though.
Funny that Hershey 2003 is getting so much hate...Thats one of my fav boots lol I loved that setlist
I think alot of the 2008 shows were sloppy, band didnt seem as tight as they usually are. Other than that Albany 2003 I think was the shortest set of that tour, and the Toyko 03 show the fans are super quiet, almost sounds like PJ is playing in a empty room
Thought alot of the 2005 tour boots were really good, awesome setlists in 05 too!
Yet another show I have seen get a lot of flack that I thought was awesome. The bd in h, and the sound was pretty good to boot.[/quo
I was at Hartford 06 and left feeling cheating but they more then made up for it at Hartford 08! I thought the 08 setlist was awesome and the Leash for Katie from the Make A Wish Foundation was a great touch and just shows how into causes the band is! Ben Harper was right on at Lolla p07 when he said "The best band in the world!"
Easily Hershey 2003 - it was the night after the crazy Tweeter Center show and they had nothin' in the tank.
'96: Toronto / '00: Toronto, Montreal / '03: Buffalo, State College, Toronto, Montreal, NYC I & II, Hershey / '04: Toledo, Grand Rapids / '05: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto / '06: Toronto I & II / '07: Chicago (The Vic), Lolla / '09: Toronto / '11: PJ20 I & II, Montreal, Toronto I & II / '13: London ON, Wrigley, Buffalo, Brooklyn I & II / '16: Toronto I & II, Fenway I & II / '18: London UK I, Wrigley I & II, Fenway I
Lolla 07 didn't do anything for me (I was there). It was the first of several festival shows I have been to where I think they can do better. I think once they get the radio songs out of the way for everyone to hear once... it'll be insanity setlists every night. The most recent setlist at Lolla 2013 was THE show if your wife is like, "No, I don;t wanna go, they played 4 songs I knew last time". EVERY. SINGLE. HIT.
Atlanta '12 show was saved by Nothingman and a pretty tight Know Your Rights.
Then you have Deluna which, I thought, was a pretty varied setlist for a festival. I guess festivals can be ok... but they're the shows that I think are the worst.
Bonnaroo was the exception. Fucking amazing show (was there! :0).
Then I have to say that every show I listen to that I wasn't at... there's always at least one thing to pick from the show that was... "a moment".
In summary, I don;t think there is a worst show. Some shows have more moments than others, but every show has a moment.
I don't know how someone could post this show in this thread unless all one cares about at a PJ show is making sure they hear 4 or 5 fairly rare songs.
Yup, ATL got a fairly standard festival setlist but my god it was a festival with 55,000 people (most of which I'm sure were casual fans). It was a very tight, energetic show (which really comes through on the boot). I had a ball.
2008: Bonnaroo
2010: Bristow
2012: Atlanta
2013: Charlottesville, Charlotte
2014: Cincinnati
2016: Greenville, Hampton, Raleigh (cancelled), Columbia, Lexington
But I think that's mostly because I can't remember a thing about it, because I was horribly hungover and they never released an official boot.
Yup mine too. The sound was very shitty. Matt's basedrum just tore through the place (you can hear it on the audience bootleg). Some people said it was fine but I was stood at the middle/back and it was terrible. Took a good hour to get used to it. I remember Rockin' in the free world kicking ass though.
After seeing them in Las Vegas 2000 for the 10th anniversary, my next show was 8 days later in Sacramento, CA at the Sacramento Valley Amp. I took my brother to his first PJ show and it was so freaking cold that it was hard to enjoy the music. It hurt to even clap to the music. He thought they would play 10-15 songs and be out, but was in for a rude awaking when they played 23 songs (one of the shorter sets of 2000). I was disappointed they did not play longer that night, but I agree that it was too cold for my liking. The following night's Halloween show at the Shoreline Amp made up for it.
Comments
only show i wasnt on the floor for. i thought thats the only reason i thought the crowd was bad. It gets mentioned for terrible crowd participation.
as for shows i havent been to
I had a DVD boot for albany 03 which did look kinda boring.. i think the 03 shows were a hit or miss cause of the random sets. but the band seem to rely on the songs flow creating a vibe for the show rather than keeping the energy going that tour.
Hinny..
I completely forgot about that Poland show! That's how good that one was. Leaky Park.
Sydney 2 2006 is definitely memorable because of Ed's hostility towards the crowd.
I suppose some other bad shows would be a couple of those Sydney 98 shows that were really really short. Don't think anyone was too happy during those shows. Memorable for me because I left to go to the bathroom. You always remember the first time.
I guess OZ gets the best of shows and the worst of shows.
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Philly 2 was my favorite night of the 4!
-No Way
-Push me, Pull me
-Speed of Sound (First time ever)
-lukin (with strings)
-Little wing tag (reminds me of the gorge everytime)
-Garden (original version)
Philly 2 was also the night that the dream to hear every song they have recorded was the strongest. That came crashing down on night 3.
No shit man... Only negative from that night was that so many 10cer's ended up w/ not so great seats, but that's it. That was a killer show. I didn't talk to anyone that didn't think it wasn't great.
I haven't been to a bad show yet, although the high heat and humidity added in with being butts-to-nuts with 100,000 other people didn't make for the greatest experience at Lolla '07. Band was good though.
6/19/08 - Camden N1
9/2/12 - Philly
Philadelphia! We're all still Alive!
A great show, but at the bottom of my list. Festival crowds suck.
Not sure how anybody could say Boise 00. That boot is probably my favorite from that tour. I do love the Cincy boot, but compared to alot of the other boots, it seems kinda average. Sweet setlist though.
I was way up in the nosebleeds for Chicago 1 09, and it's close, but I think I prefer it to Chicago 2. Bit of a moody, introspective setlist, but I really dug it and the crowd seemed really into it from where I was.
In regards to there being mostly shows from 03...Every year is gonna have its share, but I haven't noticed more 03 shows than some of the more recent years. At least one of them is pretty disputable, Champaign 03 was a monster show.
But least favorites.. any of the four Camden/MSG shows from 2008. They just didn't do it for me. Nice to see WMA, but it was kind of a weird version. Just nothing legendary about those shows.
im not sure the show was longer than an hour and a half. ed barely spoke, and they flew through the set.
6/19/08 - Camden N1
9/2/12 - Philly
Philadelphia! We're all still Alive!
But I think that's mostly because I can't remember a thing about it, because I was horribly hungover and they never released an official boot.
I left Newark thinking how the set was so great but the soaking wet crowd (rain storm) brought down the energy so much. I still love the boot though.
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
I think alot of the 2008 shows were sloppy, band didnt seem as tight as they usually are. Other than that Albany 2003 I think was the shortest set of that tour, and the Toyko 03 show the fans are super quiet, almost sounds like PJ is playing in a empty room
Thought alot of the 2005 tour boots were really good, awesome setlists in 05 too!
2022 Ottawa 09/03
2016 MSG 1 & 2
2013 Brooklyn (10/18, 10/19) Philadelphia (10/21, 10/22)
2012 Atlanta 09/22
2009 Albany 06/08 (Eddie Solo)
2008 Bonnaroo 6/14
2006 Albany 05/12
2005 Philadelphia 10/03
2000 Saratoga Springs 08/27
Yet another show I have seen get a lot of flack that I thought was awesome. The bd in h, and the sound was pretty good to boot.[/quo
I was at Hartford 06 and left feeling cheating but they more then made up for it at Hartford 08! I thought the 08 setlist was awesome and the Leash for Katie from the Make A Wish Foundation was a great touch and just shows how into causes the band is! Ben Harper was right on at Lolla p07 when he said "The best band in the world!"
MTL 9/15/05
HRTFD 5/13/06
BOS 5/24/06, 5/25/06
VEGAS 7/6/06
CHI 8/5/07
NJ 6/19/08
NYC 6/25/08
HRTFD 6/27/08
MANSFLD 6/28/08, 6/30/08
E.V. BOS 8/1/08
CHI 8/23/09, 8/24/09
PHILLY 10/30/09, 10/31/09
BOS 5/17/10
CHI 7/19/13
WOOSTA 10/15/13, 10/16/13
HRTFD 10/25/13
BOS 8/5/16, 8/7/16
BOS 9/2/18, 9/4/18
1998 - West Palm Beach 1
2000 - West Palm Beach 1&2
2003 - WPB,Tampa,Atlanta,Camden 1&2,MSG 1&2, Boston 3,Hershey Park
2004 - Asheville, Kissimmee
2008 - West Palm Beach,Tampa,Columbia,Virginia Beach, Mansfield 1&2
2010 - Hartford,Boston,Newark, MSG 1&2
2011 - PJ20 1&2, Costa Rica
2013 - Wrigley,Brooklyn 1&2,Seattle
2014 - Denver,Mountain View 1&2
2015 - Bogata, Mexico City
2016 - Ft Lauderdale,Miami,Tampa,NYC 1&2,Telluride,Fenway 1&2,Wrigley 1&2
i had a blast at the hersheypark 03 show
i had a blast at the hersheypark 03 show
Atlanta '12 show was saved by Nothingman and a pretty tight Know Your Rights.
Then you have Deluna which, I thought, was a pretty varied setlist for a festival. I guess festivals can be ok... but they're the shows that I think are the worst.
Bonnaroo was the exception. Fucking amazing show (was there! :0).
Then I have to say that every show I listen to that I wasn't at... there's always at least one thing to pick from the show that was... "a moment".
In summary, I don;t think there is a worst show. Some shows have more moments than others, but every show has a moment.
:nono:
I don't know how someone could post this show in this thread unless all one cares about at a PJ show is making sure they hear 4 or 5 fairly rare songs.
Yup, ATL got a fairly standard festival setlist but my god it was a festival with 55,000 people (most of which I'm sure were casual fans). It was a very tight, energetic show (which really comes through on the boot). I had a ball.
2010: Bristow
2012: Atlanta
2013: Charlottesville, Charlotte
2014: Cincinnati
2016: Greenville, Hampton, Raleigh (cancelled), Columbia, Lexington
For your bootleg review needs or recommendations- http://pjbootlegreviews.blogspot.com/
Yup mine too. The sound was very shitty. Matt's basedrum just tore through the place (you can hear it on the audience bootleg). Some people said it was fine but I was stood at the middle/back and it was terrible. Took a good hour to get used to it. I remember Rockin' in the free world kicking ass though.