I think ending policies like stop and frisk and profiling would make a big impact. I also don't think the suggestion to ignore SOME street crime is outlandish at all. Crimes like selling untaxed cigarettes, minor possesion of any drugs but the worst ones, jaywalking, loitering, public intoxication...many of these are ignored often at the discretion of the officers anyways. Broken window policing, and the drug war particularly, divert limited resources away from solving and preventing violent crime. The drug war has given police departments more incentive to catch drug dealers than rapists! How can we sit back and be ok with policies like that?
I think ending policies like stop and frisk and profiling would make a big impact. I also don't think the suggestion to ignore SOME street crime is outlandish at all. Crimes like selling untaxed cigarettes, minor possesion of any drugs but the worst ones, jaywalking, loitering, public intoxication...many of these are ignored often at the discretion of the officers anyways.
Broken window policing, and the drug war particularly, divert limited resources away from solving and preventing violent crime. The drug war has given police departments more incentive to catch drug dealers than rapists! How can we sit back and be ok with policies like that?
Well all those Petty things you mentioned always gave us Probable Cause to stop and eventually lock up some real real bad guys in my day…they were always dirty and we needed a reason to stop them. But that is ghetto policing and when I was a lot younger and dumber thinking I could make a difference…. had some great fucking times thou and have stories that would knock your socks off...
That's true, but when 90% of the minorities stopped and harassed are not committing crimes, it isn't surprising that there is growing hostility towards police.
That's true, but when 90% of the minorities stopped and harassed are not committing crimes, it isn't surprising that there is growing hostility towards police.
That's true, but when 90% of the minorities stopped and harassed are not committing crimes, it isn't surprising that there is growing hostility towards police.
That's true, but when 90% of the minorities stopped and harassed are not committing crimes, it isn't surprising that there is growing hostility towards police.
What did I miss throughout these threads that attempts to account for the 2013 total of 192,000 compared to every other year that routinely saw 600,000 stoppages on average?
That's true, but when 90% of the minorities stopped and harassed are not committing crimes, it isn't surprising that there is growing hostility towards police.
You seriously have to stop believing any of these "statics" when in comes to all of this . EVERYONE cooks the books, especially city hall…I can't even begin to tell you how many blatant homicides I wrote the paper on in my career that the brass in my dept. reclassified as a death investigation or whatever…my city is claiming the second lowest homicide rate in years at 407 this year, but they won't tell you that shooting are up 18% and that surgeons are getting much better at patching up gunshot "VICTIMS". I did the paper last year on a individual that has been shot 7 different times!!! that's right 7 different times in his life. Well, as much as the surgeons tried they couldn't patch up 4 to the dome..….someone really wanted that upstanding minority dead…any idea how much it cost's the tax payers on a typical gunshot victim?? $230,000 clams….somebody is getting rich, and it ain't me or the evil Police.
And another thing, there is not growing hostility toward police in the ghetto. It has ALWAYS been that way. It's more like bleeding heart Libs have decided that this is the flavor of the year to get behind and support so they could feel good about themselves….at least Gay marriage rights makes sense….stick with that.
I think ending policies like stop and frisk and profiling would make a big impact. I also don't think the suggestion to ignore SOME street crime is outlandish at all. Crimes like selling untaxed cigarettes, minor possesion of any drugs but the worst ones, jaywalking, loitering, public intoxication...many of these are ignored often at the discretion of the officers anyways.
Broken window policing, and the drug war particularly, divert limited resources away from solving and preventing violent crime. The drug war has given police departments more incentive to catch drug dealers than rapists! How can we sit back and be ok with policies like that?
I'm not sure how ignoring "minor" crimes solves any problem. Seems a bit ridiculous. Where do you draw the line of minor to intermediate to major? Like it or not, minor crimes like selling untaxed cigarettes can't be ignored.
null Is it one that requires actual arrest and booking? Cant a summons to appear be sufficient? Its a crime against tax code. Not one of physical harm to a person.
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Is it one that requires actual arrest and booking? Cant a summons to appear be sufficient? Its a crime against tax code. Not one of physical harm to a person.
To a career criminal, I would say a summons to appear wouldn't be enough. Does it matter that it's a tax crime? The police would still have to arrest someone who is breaking the law, including tax evasion.
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My definition of career criminal is someone with several arrests and convictions. But then again, I would say just because a guy hasn't been caught, doesn't mean he's not a career criminal. So I don't know.
Was that NY congressmen who
just plead guilty to tax evasion stopped on the street and cuffed?
I'm going to guess not.
Typically speaking, the takedown of a white collar criminal is rarely one where danger is present for the officers plucking the asshole from his office space.
Takedowns on the street and in lower income areas typically feature much more inherent risk for an officer.
So... what are you saying? Are you saying police should let their guard down when attempting to arrest a street criminal, or are you saying they should be a little rougher on the corporate criminal?
If you are saying the first... I wouldn't encourage that- cops exposing themselves to unnecessary risk to be 'kinder' to someone who has broken the law. If you are saying the second... I'm not necessarily opposed, but it's definitely not consistent with your attitude to this point in time.
A failure to properly respond to a summons is another offense entirely, one for which I support arrest. Like I said, many of these crimes are routinely overlooked anyways. Musky himself was joking about drunk Bears fans and how the protesters would piss them off. That's public intox and it is against the law. Why are they not arrested but a minority outside a bar is? As mentioned, why are congressmen and bankers not physically detained but the guy selling loosies is? This disparity in enforcement causes some to get riled, justifiably IMO.
To respond to Musky, I get what you are saying about it being the new flavor among liberals, but considering that the style of policing which is unfair to minorities goes all the way back to the days before minorities had civil rights, a history of distrust of police is understandable to me. If my grandparents had grown up under Jim Crow, and my parents had fought the police tooth and nail to get the privilege to patronize businesses and vote, I would understandably harbor resentment towards police. Wouldn't you?
I somewhat remember what musky was saying about the drunks leaving the football game. I don't know if this is true or not, but I didn't think cops were allowed to have check points within a certain radius from a bar. Is that the same for sporting events? Even so, I'd rather have drunks walking home from a game rather than driving.
No doubt Rgambs...it's unfortunate the activists that are the figure heads of This movement are totally counter productive. Any reasonable person has to see That Rev-runs Sharpton and Jesse Hackson are pathetic shameful people.
No doubt Rgambs...it's unfortunate the activists that are the figure heads of
This movement are totally counter productive. Any reasonable person has to see That Rev-runs Sharpton and Jesse Hackson are pathetic shameful people.
How are they counter productive in no way am i a Sharpton or Jackson supporter but just wanted to know how , what have they said that is so counter productive ....and i ask you again you stated that Garners family hit the ghetto lottery what do you mean by that , i see it as a family lost a loved one ....
I too would like clarification on this "ghetto lottery". Has the family received compensation? If your father was killed by Obama's bodyguard would there be any sort of compensation that would make you feel better?
A failure to properly respond to a summons is another offense entirely, one for which I support arrest.
Like I said, many of these crimes are routinely overlooked anyways. Musky himself was joking about drunk Bears fans and how the protesters would piss them off. That's public intox and it is against the law. Why are they not arrested but a minority outside a bar is? As mentioned, why are congressmen and bankers not physically detained but the guy selling loosies is? This disparity in enforcement causes some to get riled, justifiably IMO.
To respond to Musky, I get what you are saying about it being the new flavor among liberals, but considering that the style of policing which is unfair to minorities goes all the way back to the days before minorities had civil rights, a history of distrust of police is understandable to me. If my grandparents had grown up under Jim Crow, and my parents had fought the police tooth and nail to get the privilege to patronize businesses and vote, I would understandably harbor resentment towards police. Wouldn't you?
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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Broken window policing, and the drug war particularly, divert limited resources away from solving and preventing violent crime. The drug war has given police departments more incentive to catch drug dealers than rapists! How can we sit back and be ok with policies like that?
Well all those Petty things you mentioned always gave us Probable Cause to stop and eventually lock up some real real bad guys in my day…they were always dirty and we needed a reason to stop them. But that is ghetto policing and when I was a lot younger and dumber thinking I could make a difference…. had some great fucking times thou and have stories that would knock your socks off...
Where did you get this statistic?
http://www.nyclu.org/content/stop-and-frisk-data
Thanks!
What did I miss throughout these threads that attempts to account for the 2013 total of 192,000 compared to every other year that routinely saw 600,000 stoppages on average?
You seriously have to stop believing any of these "statics" when in comes to all of this . EVERYONE cooks the books, especially city hall…I can't even begin to tell you how many blatant homicides I wrote the paper on in my career that the brass in my dept. reclassified as a death investigation or whatever…my city is claiming the second lowest homicide rate in years at 407 this year, but they won't tell you that shooting are up 18% and that surgeons are getting much better at patching up gunshot "VICTIMS". I did the paper last year on a individual that has been shot 7 different times!!! that's right 7 different times in his life. Well, as much as the surgeons tried they couldn't patch up 4 to the dome..….someone really wanted that upstanding minority dead…any idea how much it cost's the tax payers on a typical gunshot victim?? $230,000 clams….somebody is getting rich, and it ain't me or the evil Police.
And another thing, there is not growing hostility toward police in the ghetto. It has ALWAYS been that way. It's more like bleeding heart Libs have decided that this is the flavor of the year to get behind and support so they could feel good about themselves….at least Gay marriage rights makes sense….stick with that.
I'm not sure how ignoring "minor" crimes solves any problem. Seems a bit ridiculous. Where do you draw the line of minor to intermediate to major? Like it or not, minor crimes like selling untaxed cigarettes can't be ignored.
Is it one that requires actual arrest and booking? Cant a summons to appear be sufficient? Its a crime against tax code. Not one of physical harm to a person.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
To a career criminal, I would say a summons to appear wouldn't be enough. Does it matter that it's a tax crime? The police would still have to arrest someone who is breaking the law, including tax evasion.
just plead guilty to tax evasion stopped on the street and cuffed?
I'm going to guess not.
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Ok. Is he a career criminal?
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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Typically speaking, the takedown of a white collar criminal is rarely one where danger is present for the officers plucking the asshole from his office space.
Takedowns on the street and in lower income areas typically feature much more inherent risk for an officer.
So... what are you saying? Are you saying police should let their guard down when attempting to arrest a street criminal, or are you saying they should be a little rougher on the corporate criminal?
If you are saying the first... I wouldn't encourage that- cops exposing themselves to unnecessary risk to be 'kinder' to someone who has broken the law. If you are saying the second... I'm not necessarily opposed, but it's definitely not consistent with your attitude to this point in time.
Like I said, many of these crimes are routinely overlooked anyways. Musky himself was joking about drunk Bears fans and how the protesters would piss them off. That's public intox and it is against the law. Why are they not arrested but a minority outside a bar is? As mentioned, why are congressmen and bankers not physically detained but the guy selling loosies is? This disparity in enforcement causes some to get riled, justifiably IMO.
To respond to Musky, I get what you are saying about it being the new flavor among liberals, but considering that the style of policing which is unfair to minorities goes all the way back to the days before minorities had civil rights, a history of distrust of police is understandable to me. If my grandparents had grown up under Jim Crow, and my parents had fought the police tooth and nail to get the privilege to patronize businesses and vote, I would understandably harbor resentment towards police. Wouldn't you?
This movement are totally counter productive. Any reasonable person has to see That Rev-runs Sharpton and Jesse Hackson are pathetic shameful people.
How are they counter productive in no way am i a Sharpton or Jackson supporter but just wanted to know how , what have they said that is so counter productive ....and i ask you again you stated that Garners family hit the ghetto lottery what do you mean by that , i see it as a family lost a loved one ....
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14