I love how they just couldn't bear to leave out a little political/racial dig. This is just dumb. It's not subtle enough to be satire, not funny enough to be humor, and it's too extreme to be realistic, so what is it, besides dumb? NOBODY is calling for this sort of police work, and NOBODY is dumb enough to believe it would be beneficial. This adds nothing to the discussion but misinformation and misplaced passion.
Well thank for the concern... I actually just got back from Vegas yesterday and booked Hawaii today for my Annual surfing trip on Kauai in Late Jan then over to Thailand to visit some pals. I am all good, I lots a love all the way around...other than my Bears.
I read something today on a very popular Chicago Cop blog that at first really pissed me off, but after thinking about it for awhile I figured could help people on here wrap their brain around what I mean by saying society will be getting the Policing they are demanding...or De-policing" ..This attitude goes against every reason why I became the police, but I am wiser and Unfortionately older now and realize what is at stake. Being Proactive Police not only is Personally dangerous for an officer, but it could be career suicide.
So here is the facticious, but very real senerio for Ya....take it for what it's worth
Someone Has Seen the Future!
And it looks like this:
Any Street, Anywhere USA
Victim: Officer, officer! That man just stole my purse!
Officer: Good morning ma'm, or does that pronoun offend you. If so, please advise me of the correct pronoun I may use in order to not....
victim: Officer, you're not listening to me! That man stole my purse.
officer: That gentleman across the street?
Victim: Yeah, that's him.
officer: Okay, let me go talk to him.
victim: He's a big guy, don't you want some help?
Officer: Oh no, anything that might give the appearance of a show of force isn't allowed.
Officer leaves to talk to the alleged suspect and then returns:
Officer: Is it a red purse with black trim and brass colored clasp with the initials MS on the side?
Victim: That's it, my name is Mary Smith and those are my initials. That's my purse.
Officer: I figured it was yours, he doesn't look like the purse type. The problem is he doesn't want to give it back.
Victim: Well, arrest him, he robbed me of that purse. He punched me, knocked me down and then took my purse. Look at this bruise on my arm, and I'm bleeding from my forehead.
Officer: I'm afraid I can't do that. He said he wouldn't allow me to arrest him. I can call the EMS folks though to treat you for your injuries. There will be a fee of course.
Victim: What??!! You have to arrest him. He committed a robbery and I'm the victim. I demand you arrest him.
Officer: I'm afraid I can't do that. He said he would fight if I tried to arrest him and our new Rules Of Engagement don't allow us to confront a hostile suspect.
Victim: Rules Of Engagement? What the hell is that?
Officer: Basically it means if the alleged suspect offers any resistance, or even says he will resist, our Rules Of Engagement say we shall not "engage". It's really quite simple and it makes our job much simpler. No more fights, no violence involved and everyone is much safer that way aren't they?
Victim: But he robbed me and he's standing right there, you mean you can't do anything?
Officer: Oh, whether or not I could do something doesn't matter. I'm not allowed to confront a possibly hostile suspect. Perhaps you could talk to him and see if he will come down to the precinct house and turn himself in.
Victim: That's it? That's all you can do?
Officer: Well, I can give you our website and you can make a report of this alleged crime. It's a really neat website, designed by the same folks that did that Affordable Care Act site. And I'd be glad to give you the office phone numbers for Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Eric Holder.
Victim: Will they do anything?
Officer: Not really, they're only interested if I do something.
Victim: Well did you at least get his name so I know who the bad guy is when I make this report?
Officer: No, he didn't want to give me his name, and gosh all I can do is ask.
Victim: This is incredible. He's just standing over there like he knows nothing will be done about this.
Officer: I know. Happens all the time now. Well, have a nice day and call any time, we're here to help.
Victim: But officer....
Officer: You'll have to excuse me, I have to go apologize to that gentlemen for disrupting his day.
Sounds very prophetic.
Now if you ask me what I would do tomr. If I faced this situation in the ghetto where I work....I would still approach w/ my tazer pointer right at the chest of this mope and if he moved one inch towards me after verbal direction to get on your knees and put your hands on your head...dude will be riding the lightening.
If that don't stop the threat which often times doesn't especially if subject is of monstetous proportions or all jacked up on Crack, Pcp, or Meth...then if i can get to my pistol before dude does then it's on and pray backup is coming.
HAHHHAHHAHHAHHHHA be careful what you ask for America....or riot for.
I'm sure hoping the people on here knocking Musky for his somewhat jaded attitude towards the people he serves have the brightest outlooks at their jobs.
Every job I've ever been in, most of the people there had developed dispositions spawned from the negative aspects of the job. And behind the scenes... workers lamented clients, customers, management, employers, other employees, unions and the like in the most horrible manner conceivable. Yet... they still effectively got the job done despite feeling the way they did. I'm confident Musky is a good cop- he doesn't strike me as a brutal human being at all. He strikes me as someone who has been somewhat traumatized by his experiences.
I'm not surprised Musky feels the way he does. He doesn't just read about these incidents... he lives them. Look at the negative comments about society in the recent Taliban/Pakistan thread for support to what I have said here- people that have read about the school massacre are calling humanity and other things the most vile descriptions possible. Go get your hands dirty a few times and really see how your attitude might really change.
It's pretty easy to cast judgement on those that do when you are one that doesn't. To the hyper-critics... go walk a mile. If that's not possible, then monitor your words at your work place. If you happen to find yourself a little negative... well... think back to what I've said here.
I love how they just couldn't bear to leave out a little political/racial dig.
This is just dumb. It's not subtle enough to be satire, not funny enough to be humor, and it's too extreme to be realistic, so what is it, besides dumb?
NOBODY is calling for this sort of police work, and NOBODY is dumb enough to believe it would be beneficial. This adds nothing to the discussion but misinformation and misplaced passion.
Dumb?
I can recall many 'dumb' posts, but as I was reminded once by moderators... if I call something 'dumb'- I'm essentially calling the poster 'dumb'.
It's not dumb at all and it does add to the discussion. There are parallels that can be drawn and the scenario does accurately fit the attitude that some even on here seem to possess.
I can still recall one post- among many sofa experts- that suggested the cops scuttle into their car when a knife attacker came at them (to really think about the situation and perhaps giving the knife attacker a chance to calm down). And you say 'dumb'?
The thing from the blog was dumb. It wasn't intelligent and that makes it dumb IMO, even if it did have a little relevance. It didnt fit the attitude of people here at all, it mocked their attitude by taking it to an extreme extent where everyone can agree it is ridiculous. It's a bad debate tactic called reductio ad absurdum, and it is weak. Musky isnt dumb, I wasn't suggesting that at all.
Regarding the knife incident, it just highlights the difference in attitude. It seems you find it unthinkable that a cop ever perform a tactical retreat, whereas I find it could sometimes be an intelligent reaction that could preserve lives of both aggressors and responders. I fail to see hhow a tactical retreat is dumb, considering it's long history of effectiveness.
I've never surfed in the traditional, standing on a surfboard way... I hope to one day soon! I have ridden breakers in a kayak and on a body board, and have surfed huge whitewater rapids in a 6 man raft, good times for sure! Enjoy the waves Musky !
The thing from the blog was dumb. It wasn't intelligent and that makes it dumb IMO, even if it did have a little relevance. It didnt fit the attitude of people here at all, it mocked their attitude by taking it to an extreme extent where everyone can agree it is ridiculous. It's a bad debate tactic called reductio ad absurdum, and it is weak. Musky isnt dumb, I wasn't suggesting that at all.
Regarding the knife incident, it just highlights the difference in attitude. It seems you find it unthinkable that a cop ever perform a tactical retreat, whereas I find it could sometimes be an intelligent reaction that could preserve lives of both aggressors and responders.
I fail to see hhow a tactical retreat is dumb, considering it's long history of effectiveness.
I think a cop should execute a 'tactical retreat' if his life is in danger. I don't think he should be running from attackers if he feels the situation can be handled.
Cops can't make a habit of running away from violent aggressors and I am of the opinion they shouldn't concern themselves too much with the health of some lunatic trying to cut people's necks with a knife.
I dont think they should make a habit of it either, but that doesn't mean there arent situations where it could be appropriate. This was a specific case in which no necks were being threatened and there was no "running" to be done as they were standing at the car.
If they retreat,and the attacker goes after someone else then the police have a new problem.I do think there are times when a bit of a reboot is the best cause of action,but not while someone who is armed could hurt others.
Kinda on subject here.My wife who is not on these here PJ inter-webs was watching the CNN feed from the take down in Sydneythe other night.As the video showed the police lined up ready to overtake the terrorist and bust in My wife says"I bet those people inside aren't thinking about protesting against law enforcement today are they".
Those were my thoughts exactly as well.
Thirty, get what your saying and I will always support cops protecting themselves. My concern is that there are many very good hardworking honest people even in the "ghetto" and working there should reinforce this fact. I don't see this and that's a problem.
Now do believe everyone needs to blow off steam as I do on this board. Oh and you as well HA.
For me, dreaded reading the script. It was sad and know that current police procedures work.
Thirty, get what your saying and I will always support cops protecting themselves. My concern is that there are many very good hardworking honest people even in the "ghetto" and working there should reinforce this fact. I don't see this and that's a problem.
Now do believe everyone needs to blow off steam as I do on this board. Oh and you as well HA.
For me, dreaded reading the script. It was sad and know that current police procedures work.
I agree that the problem is really crappy. The 'fix' isn't robocops though. The fix must be rooted in economic policies and social programming that offer people, at a bare minimum, hope- rather than the current system which squashes anyone that can't play sports at an extremely high level.
Yes, the NYPD has spent $23 mil in overtime since the protests began, but left unmentioned: that's exactly what they were going to spend anyway Yes, the NYPD has spent $23 mil in overtime since the protests began, but left unmentioned: that's exactly what they were going to spend anyway
The Northern California cop who tweeted threats to protesters over the weekend has been suspended, police said.
San Jose police officials put Officer Phillip White on leave after they learned he made threatening tweets directed at demonstrators protesting decisions in the Michael Brown and Eric Garner cases.
Does this ring a bell? Where have you heard this before?
On his previously public Twitter account, McNamara has chimed in about the Ferguson shooting of Michael Brown by officer Darren Wilson, stating on Nov. 26 "I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6," and stating of protesters "You'll burn the American flag but you're quick to cash that Obama check! Parasites." He has many more tweets of that ilk.
Over the past two years, McNamara has been commenting on YouTube videos — mostly about black people and law enforcement — regularly dropping racial and gay slurs, unambiguously expressing hatred towards minorities and anyone who dare not comply with what police say. He calls black people in videos "jungle monkeys," "spooks," and worse. He commented on a video of a young black child swearing, saying "This is how cop killers are raised my friends." He's also a fan of when police officers shoot and rough up non-compliant civilians. The comments appeared on his Youtube and Google+ accounts that were deleted yesterday (we'll explain in a bit). Here's a selection:
Story about the latest black guy killed by police in Philly. Locally some are saying that Brown once out of the car told police he had a gun in the car and that's when one officer freaked out and attacked him, although it's not mentioned in the piece (prob because it's unverified info) In any case mum been the word on the incident. What has been reported doesn't add up.
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
so every article talks about untaxed cigs. Are they saying then he had in his possesion untaxstamped smokes? or was he suspected of selling individual cigs that came from PURCHASED cigs that had the state stamp and then aid city tax on?
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so every article talks about untaxed cigs. Are they saying then he had in his possesion untaxstamped smokes? or was he suspected of selling individual cigs that came from PURCHASED cigs that had the state stamp and then aid city tax on?
I want some clarification on this from somewhere.
I can clarify this for you.. He was performing his daily JOB that consisted of doing illegal shit like selling loosie"s and getting himself locked up over 30 times in his life. You make bad choices in life, expect Bad things to happen…like dying of a heart attack an hour after resisting arrest. But hey, now he is a Martyr….and his family hit the ghetto lottery. BIZARRO WORLD JERRY!!!!
Lots of folks make bad/illegal choices. The guys who tanked the economy with illegal/bad choices, the politicians who started wars for profit, the doctors who deal RX drugs, the cops/judges/prosecutors who commit all manner of minor illegal offenses...why aren't they arrested? Why are they invited to hearings and Garner gets physically detained? Why are our prisons filled with black and hispanic drug offenders when statistics show white people do lots of drugs? It isn't as simple as bad choices equal bad consequences, thus the questions of racism and the protesting.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Lots of folks make bad/illegal choices. The guys who tanked the economy with illegal/bad choices, the politicians who started wars for profit, the doctors who deal RX drugs, the cops/judges/prosecutors who commit all manner of minor illegal offenses...why aren't they arrested? Why are they invited to hearings and Garner gets physically detained? Why are our prisons filled with black and hispanic drug offenders when statistics show white people do lots of drugs? It isn't as simple as bad choices equal bad consequences, thus the questions of racism and the protesting.
So what do we do?
What you are saying has merit, but realistically, what can we do as puppets of our puppet masters?
Are you suggesting we ignore street crime until we figure out a way to take down the white collar criminal element?
Lots of folks make bad/illegal choices. The guys who tanked the economy with illegal/bad choices, the politicians who started wars for profit, the doctors who deal RX drugs, the cops/judges/prosecutors who commit all manner of minor illegal offenses...why aren't they arrested? Why are they invited to hearings and Garner gets physically detained? Why are our prisons filled with black and hispanic drug offenders when statistics show white people do lots of drugs? It isn't as simple as bad choices equal bad consequences, thus the questions of racism and the protesting.
Boy that's heavy rgambs, but it's that simple to me. Perhaps I am just a simpleton….
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I love how they just couldn't bear to leave out a little political/racial dig.
This is just dumb. It's not subtle enough to be satire, not funny enough to be humor, and it's too extreme to be realistic, so what is it, besides dumb?
NOBODY is calling for this sort of police work, and NOBODY is dumb enough to believe it would be beneficial. This adds nothing to the discussion but misinformation and misplaced passion.
HAHHHAHHAHHAHHHHA be careful what you ask for America....or riot for.
Godfather.
Every job I've ever been in, most of the people there had developed dispositions spawned from the negative aspects of the job. And behind the scenes... workers lamented clients, customers, management, employers, other employees, unions and the like in the most horrible manner conceivable. Yet... they still effectively got the job done despite feeling the way they did. I'm confident Musky is a good cop- he doesn't strike me as a brutal human being at all. He strikes me as someone who has been somewhat traumatized by his experiences.
I'm not surprised Musky feels the way he does. He doesn't just read about these incidents... he lives them. Look at the negative comments about society in the recent Taliban/Pakistan thread for support to what I have said here- people that have read about the school massacre are calling humanity and other things the most vile descriptions possible. Go get your hands dirty a few times and really see how your attitude might really change.
It's pretty easy to cast judgement on those that do when you are one that doesn't. To the hyper-critics... go walk a mile. If that's not possible, then monitor your words at your work place. If you happen to find yourself a little negative... well... think back to what I've said here.
Dumb?
I can recall many 'dumb' posts, but as I was reminded once by moderators... if I call something 'dumb'- I'm essentially calling the poster 'dumb'.
It's not dumb at all and it does add to the discussion. There are parallels that can be drawn and the scenario does accurately fit the attitude that some even on here seem to possess.
I can still recall one post- among many sofa experts- that suggested the cops scuttle into their car when a knife attacker came at them (to really think about the situation and perhaps giving the knife attacker a chance to calm down). And you say 'dumb'?
Regarding the knife incident, it just highlights the difference in attitude. It seems you find it unthinkable that a cop ever perform a tactical retreat, whereas I find it could sometimes be an intelligent reaction that could preserve lives of both aggressors and responders.
I fail to see hhow a tactical retreat is dumb, considering it's long history of effectiveness.
I think a cop should execute a 'tactical retreat' if his life is in danger. I don't think he should be running from attackers if he feels the situation can be handled.
Cops can't make a habit of running away from violent aggressors and I am of the opinion they shouldn't concern themselves too much with the health of some lunatic trying to cut people's necks with a knife.
Those were my thoughts exactly as well.
Now do believe everyone needs to blow off steam as I do on this board. Oh and you as well HA.
For me, dreaded reading the script. It was sad and know that current police procedures work.
I agree that the problem is really crappy. The 'fix' isn't robocops though. The fix must be rooted in economic policies and social programming that offer people, at a bare minimum, hope- rather than the current system which squashes anyone that can't play sports at an extremely high level.
Good luck with that though.
Yes, the NYPD has spent $23 mil in overtime since the protests began, but left unmentioned: that's exactly what they were going to spend anyway
Yes, the NYPD has spent $23 mil in overtime since the protests began, but left unmentioned: that's exactly what they were going to spend anyway
San Jose police officials put Officer Phillip White on leave after they learned he made threatening tweets directed at demonstrators protesting decisions in the Michael Brown and Eric Garner cases.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6340220
Former ny cop who was played by pachino in movie Serpico
On his previously public Twitter account, McNamara has chimed in about the Ferguson shooting of Michael Brown by officer Darren Wilson, stating on Nov. 26 "I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6," and stating of protesters "You'll burn the American flag but you're quick to cash that Obama check! Parasites." He has many more tweets of that ilk.
http://m.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2014/12/19/meet-the-pro-slavery-fairview-park-auxiliary-cop
Over the past two years, McNamara has been commenting on YouTube videos — mostly about black people and law enforcement — regularly dropping racial and gay slurs, unambiguously expressing hatred towards minorities and anyone who dare not comply with what police say. He calls black people in videos "jungle monkeys," "spooks," and worse. He commented on a video of a young black child swearing, saying "This is how cop killers are raised my friends." He's also a fan of when police officers shoot and rough up non-compliant civilians. The comments appeared on his Youtube and Google+ accounts that were deleted yesterday (we'll explain in a bit). Here's a selection:
In any case mum been the word on the incident. What has been reported doesn't add up.
http://phillydeclaration.org/2014/12/20/what-happened-to-brandon-tate-brown/
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
So is this the policing Muskydan is talking about ...
Something like that…..Liberal Society are getting the Police they are demanding...."HANDS OFF, DON"T DO ANYTHING"…..Scary times ahead.
I want some clarification on this from somewhere.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I can clarify this for you.. He was performing his daily JOB that consisted of doing illegal shit like selling loosie"s and getting himself locked up over 30 times in his life. You make bad choices in life, expect Bad things to happen…like dying of a heart attack an hour after resisting arrest. But hey, now he is a Martyr….and his family hit the ghetto lottery. BIZARRO WORLD JERRY!!!!
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
So what do we do?
What you are saying has merit, but realistically, what can we do as puppets of our puppet masters?
Are you suggesting we ignore street crime until we figure out a way to take down the white collar criminal element?
Boy that's heavy rgambs, but it's that simple to me. Perhaps I am just a simpleton….