Some facts for the Obama haters

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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    As for those talking about killing the golden goose of employer subsidized health benefits - it always was. Yes, you got a better BENEFIT if you are employed. But that's why it's called and employment BENEFIT!!!!!

    Why do liberals always think they have to put a hand in my pocket bc something does not work for everyone? Why do we need to penalize those that can, ummm, you know, keep a job bc some may not get the same benefit?

    This is why the Clintons backed off their plan. And why Democrat Cuomo instituted mandatory managed care for the NY Medicaid program - you don't kill the golden goose. When they studied the "evils" they were smart enough to see it was providing more good than bad on balance even if it didn't serve everyone's situation.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    EdsonNascimento said:

    As for those talking about killing the golden goose of employer subsidized health benefits - it always was. Yes, you got a better BENEFIT if you are employed. But that's why it's called and employment BENEFIT!!!!!

    Why do liberals always think they have to put a hand in my pocket bc something does not work for everyone? Why do we need to penalize those that can, ummm, you know, keep a job bc some may not get the same benefit?

    This is why the Clintons backed off their plan. And why Democrat Cuomo instituted mandatory managed care for the NY Medicaid program - you don't kill the golden goose. When they studied the "evils" they were smart enough to see it was providing more good than bad on balance even if it didn't serve everyone's situation.

    Oh, wow, you keep a job, you must really be something.
    Condescension can go both ways there bud.

    Personally, our healthcare prospects haven't changed, because we fall into the entrepreneur/small business owner category. Liberals are the only thing keeping small business afloat, its just a shame so many fall for the conservative lip service that only benefits the biggest corporations, while us in the little ones struggle for scraps.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    Understand that if you have your own business, you have added expenses. Why shouldn't you pay for that? Should I pay your rent too since I don't have to pay rent with my job? What about electricity? Where and what constitutes something an employee should lose benefits so small business owners can afford it?

    I'm baffled by that logic. I want to start my own business, so you shouldn't get employer subsidized health care, so I can afford to own my own business. I'd like to be a professional soccer player. I think Messi should have to play on his knees so I can do what I want. (For the record, he'd still kick my ass, and wouldn't make me any better soccer player. It would just make him worse.)
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    EdsonNascimento said:

    Understand that if you have your own business, you have added expenses. Why shouldn't you pay for that? Should I pay your rent too since I don't have to pay rent with my job? What about electricity? Where and what constitutes something an employee should lose benefits so small business owners can afford it?

    I'm baffled by that logic. I want to start my own business, so you shouldn't get employer subsidized health care, so I can afford to own my own business. I'd like to be a professional soccer player. I think Messi should have to play on his knees so I can do what I want. (For the record, he'd still kick my ass, and wouldn't make me any better soccer player. It would just make him worse.)

    I'm not going to bother explaining it and arguing against your straw men.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,450
    I can't imagine how americans survive with how much staying healthy costs them.
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    I sure love ole Barry today. My Smith@Wesson stock was up 11% today!!! Every phony tear he shed the market went up up up on Gun stocks.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    muskydan said:

    I sure love ole Barry today. My Smith@Wesson stock was up 11% today!!! Every phony tear he shed the market went up up up on Gun stocks.

    One born every minute!
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    profit > people

    typical... yet still sad to me
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,031
    muskydan said:

    I sure love ole Barry today. My Smith@Wesson stock was up 11% today!!! Every phony tear he shed the market went up up up on Gun stocks.

    how do you know they were phony tears??

    did you meet with the sandy hook parents?
    he did.

    did you talk to victims and their families?
    he did.

    did you sit there and watch murders pile up on your watch because the other half of the government did not do it's job?
    he did.

    did you make a promise to millions of people, and to the hundreds of people that you have personally met with to try to do somethng to make a difference?
    he did.

    did you watch one of your colleagues gunned down at her own town hall?
    he did.

    did you ever given multiple, multple prime time speeches reporting on mass shootings to a grieving nation?
    he did.

    he has said over and over again his greatest regret is that nothing about gun violence was done during his two terms. he did something.

    you don't know his tears were phony.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    That's a nice ride Dan-o after a few shit days.I wonder how the rest of sector did.I used to have Saf-t-lock.Rode that shit for a while.Overall a strong play in that area.imo

    Edson-good points above

    Gimme,Obama should be concentrating on his foreign policy as much as this gun control debate.Looks like Iran is getting cheeky again and all this admins mommy cuddling sucking up to the death to America crowd might be ready to bite them in the ass.
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Obama too worried about climate change.

    what an idiot
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,031
    rr165892 said:

    That's a nice ride Dan-o after a few shit days.I wonder how the rest of sector did.I used to have Saf-t-lock.Rode that shit for a while.Overall a strong play in that area.imo

    Edson-good points above

    Gimme,Obama should be concentrating on his foreign policy as much as this gun control debate.Looks like Iran is getting cheeky again and all this admins mommy cuddling sucking up to the death to America crowd might be ready to bite them in the ass.

    i'm sorry, who executed who again?

    saudi arabia executed a shiite cleric.

    the sauda are sunni, and the iranians are shiite. the cleric angered the saudi family and got himself killed.

    obama had nothing to do with that, and this has absolutely ZERO to do with the iran deal.

    i swear to fucking christ, you people blame obama for world war one.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    You guys think he does no wrong.Im well aware of what caused the latest unrest.But did you see the footage of the new underground ballistic missile base the are rolling out? Clearly a violation of the accord,but who cares.Kerry can suck a little more Iranian dick,isolate more of our allies all in time for Iran to let the sanctions expire.Dont be blinded by the Obama glow and halo to see his foreign policy is horrible.
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,397
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    rr165892 said:

    That's a nice ride Dan-o after a few shit days.I wonder how the rest of sector did.I used to have Saf-t-lock.Rode that shit for a while.Overall a strong play in that area.imo

    Edson-good points above

    Gimme,Obama should be concentrating on his foreign policy as much as this gun control debate.Looks like Iran is getting cheeky again and all this admins mommy cuddling sucking up to the death to America crowd might be ready to bite them in the ass.

    i'm sorry, who executed who again?

    saudi arabia executed a shiite cleric.

    the sauda are sunni, and the iranians are shiite. the cleric angered the saudi family and got himself killed.

    obama had nothing to do with that, and this has absolutely ZERO to do with the iran deal.

    i swear to fucking christ, you people blame obama for world war one.
    I saw something about this on foxnews

















    They blamed President Obama :anguished:
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,554
    rr165892 said:

    You guys think he does no wrong.Im well aware of what caused the latest unrest.But did you see the footage of the new underground ballistic missile base the are rolling out? Clearly a violation of the accord,but who cares.Kerry can suck a little more Iranian dick,isolate more of our allies all in time for Iran to let the sanctions expire.Dont be blinded by the Obama glow and halo to see his foreign policy is horrible.

    No we understand the man is not perfect and has made mistakes but people blame him for everything that's wrong in this country , I take it you'd rather just Invade kick ass and take the oil or just keep the sanctions going that really never work ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,031
    rr165892 said:

    You guys think he does no wrong.Im well aware of what caused the latest unrest.But did you see the footage of the new underground ballistic missile base the are rolling out? Clearly a violation of the accord,but who cares.Kerry can suck a little more Iranian dick,isolate more of our allies all in time for Iran to let the sanctions expire.Dont be blinded by the Obama glow and halo to see his foreign policy is horrible.

    he does not have a glowing halo. anybody who was ever president of the united states lost their halo the minute they were sworn in. it is a dirty job and people lose their lives based on the decisions the president makes. there is nobody who can do the job who is perfect in every situation. i do trust him more than every single republican on the planet though.

    i did not see the footage of the underground missile base. would be awesome if you could post a link to the story so we can check it out.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
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    gimmesometruth27 said:

    rr165892 said:

    You guys think he does no wrong.Im well aware of what caused the latest unrest.But did you see the footage of the new underground ballistic missile base the are rolling out? Clearly a violation of the accord,but who cares.Kerry can suck a little more Iranian dick,isolate more of our allies all in time for Iran to let the sanctions expire.Dont be blinded by the Obama glow and halo to see his foreign policy is horrible.

    he does not have a glowing halo. anybody who was ever president of the united states lost their halo the minute they were sworn in. it is a dirty job and people lose their lives based on the decisions the president makes. there is nobody who can do the job who is perfect in every situation. i do trust him more than every single republican on the planet though.

    i did not see the footage of the underground missile base. would be awesome if you could post a link to the story so we can check it out.
    I'll try and find it gimme.It was on CNN
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Hang on one sec...There are people on here who still think Obama is doing a good job?! Wow. Just wow.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:

    Hang on one sec...There are people on here who still think Obama is doing a good job?! Wow. Just wow.

    Check your facts. Record job growth, record stock markets gains, very few American lives lost in conflict, and repaired respect from the rest of the world.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    Hang on one sec...There are people on here who still think Obama is doing a good job?! Wow. Just wow.

    Check your facts. Record job growth, record stock markets gains, very few American lives lost in conflict, and repaired respect from the rest of the world.
    You're going to talk about stock market gains on this week of all weeks? You're going to talk about repaired respect? Other then my new Prime Minister I don't think there is a leader in the world who respects your President. The global economy is failing, the EU is in a state of collapse, a full on Sunni/Shia war is about to get underway, North Korea is testing a hydrogen bomb, there is a massive refugee crisis, and ISIS is both gaining ground and showing global reach. Nothing is going well and you are a fool to suggest otherwise. Is this all Obama's fault? No but he is an empty suit providing zero leadership during extremely turbulent times.

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