The Idiot Thread

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Programmed idiots. And idiotic on so many levels.

Sad that their kids had to pay the price for their idiocy.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/utah-parents-talked-of-apocalypse-killed-children-then-selves/ar-AA8FASN

DarthMaeglin

Another example of the idiotic Canadian justice system: when convicted, a criminal is credited 2 to 1 (I'm pretty sure) for pre-trial detention, apparently many criminals don't seek bail because of this.

"The world is full of idiots, and I am but one."

hedonist

And then we have this winner.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/fla-man-kills-teen-while-acting-out-rap-song-deputies/ar-AA8GA2b?ocid=HPCDHP

oftenreading

DarthMaeglin wrote: »

Another example of the idiotic Canadian justice system: when convicted, a criminal is credited 2 to 1 (I'm pretty sure) for pre-trial detention, apparently many criminals don't seek bail because of this.

"The world is full of idiots, and I am but one."

Well, this was in place for some sound legal reasons, one of which is because when one is in pre-trial detention one has not yet been found guilty and so is still legally considered innocent. Detention of someone not yet found guilty is not an issue to be taken lightly. It's obviously necessary in many instances when the risks are high (particularly flight risk or risk to the public). It also recognized other realities, such as the conditions in pre-trial detention.

In any case, this practice had been abolished years ago, although a recent legal decision opens the doors to the potential for a slight credit (more like 1.5:1 rather than 2:1).

More info from a 2014 article below:

The sentencing “discount” had evolved to recognize that pre-trial custody in a remand jail is hard time, in overcrowded conditions with no access to treatment or rehabilitative programs. It is also “dead time” that doesn’t count toward any eventual parole or early release eligibility.

The Criminal Code allowed sentence credits of 2-to-1 for each day in pre-trial custody, sometimes even rising to 3-to-1 in exceptional circumstances.

But the federal Conservatives argued the justice system had become too soft on criminals at the expense of victims. They knocked the credit down to a day-for-a-day, or 1-to-1. The maximum credit allowed would be only 1.5 days credit for a day served pre-sentence.

In a unanimous 7-0 decision, the high court Friday agreed the law sets out a new starting point, that 1:1 is the general rule.

But it said the limit could be exceeded in many cases, rising to the 1.5 -1 maximum, to reflect the fact pre-trial remand time doesn’t count toward parole or early release eligibility.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

hedonist wrote: »

And then we have this winner.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/fla-man-kills-teen-while-acting-out-rap-song-deputies/ar-AA8GA2b?ocid=HPCDHP

An idiot for sure.

Hedo... if you have the stomache for it... look at the 'in other news' story under the story you linked: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/california-man-charged-with-killing-newborn-daughter/ar-AA8Gwlu?ocid=HPCDHP

Un-freaking-believable.

A 'similar' case came up in the DP thread... and I thought that was a once in lifetime crime. Apparently not. It's no longer toddlers for some... it's now infants.

Sometimes it's better not to look too far into world news.

Regardless... this 'idiot' qualifies for the lowest of threads we could possibly offer.

DarthMaeglin

Oops, thanks for the clarification. Rather see some sort of compensation for those found not guilty, but realize that'd be tricky to figure out (and potentially expensive).

As I said, I am but one (idiot), lol.

hedonist

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »

hedonist wrote: »

And then we have this winner.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/fla-man-kills-teen-while-acting-out-rap-song-deputies/ar-AA8GA2b?ocid=HPCDHP

An idiot for sure.

Hedo... if you have the stomache for it... look at the 'in other news' story under the story you linked: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/california-man-charged-with-killing-newborn-daughter/ar-AA8Gwlu?ocid=HPCDHP

Un-freaking-believable.

A 'similar' case came up in the DP thread... and I thought that was a once in lifetime crime. Apparently not. It's no longer toddlers for some... it's now infants.

Sometimes it's better not to look too far into world news.

Regardless... this 'idiot' qualifies for the lowest of threads we could possibly offer.

Jesus.

This has been in the news here and bad enough to kill your own daughter - your baby - I had no idea what else he did to / with her. Simply can't get my head around that.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

DarthMaeglin wrote: »

Oops, thanks for the clarification. Rather see some sort of compensation for those found not guilty, but realize that'd be tricky to figure out (and potentially expensive).

As I said, I am but one (idiot), lol.

I'm not too sure why those found guilty should gain an advantage from such a policy?

I did read: the sentencing “discount” had evolved to recognize that pre-trial custody in a remand jail is hard time, in overcrowded conditions with no access to treatment or rehabilitative programs... however... who cares? You committed a crime. We are supposed to essentially apologize for the more difficult time served by reducing the sentence?

My suggestion? Plead guilty if you are guilty and get going with the 'nicer' time behind bars.

DarthMaeglin

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »

DarthMaeglin wrote: »

Oops, thanks for the clarification. Rather see some sort of compensation for those found not guilty, but realize that'd be tricky to figure out (and potentially expensive).

As I said, I am but one (idiot), lol.

I'm not too sure why those found guilty should gain an advantage from such a policy?

I did read: the sentencing “discount” had evolved to recognize that pre-trial custody in a remand jail is hard time, in overcrowded conditions with no access to treatment or rehabilitative programs... however... who cares? You committed a crime. We are supposed to essentially apologize for the more difficult time served by reducing the sentence?

My suggestion? Plead guilty if you are guilty and get going with the 'nicer' time behind bars.

That's why I'd see those found not guilty compensated in some way, as opposed to letting "those found guilty...gain an advantage from such a policy." It's a sticky situation indeed, and sad that people are often encouraged to not take responsibility for their actions. Every time I've broken the law (and, admittedly, been caught, I don't volunteer things to the police, lol) by speeding or other things, I know I've done it and willingly paid the price, but I know that's the exception nowadays. I'm nowhere near a career criminal though, just an occasional speeder and pothead, lol.

oftenreading

Not to put all the blame on lawyers or anything, but I think a lot of the problems stem from the legal advice being given. The lawyers advise what they see to be in the best interests of their client, which is to delay. delay, delay the eventual court appearance in the hope that witnesses will drop out of sight, memories will fade, evidence may get lost, and/or the individual can "prove" how well they are doing if they aren't rearrested in the intervening time. However, this serves to add huge delays, grossly increases court costs and causes logjams in the court system. Most people take the advice of their lawyers because hey, they're the experts.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

oftenreading wrote: »

Not to put all the blame on lawyers or anything, but I think a lot of the problems stem from the legal advice being given. The lawyers advise what they see to be in the best interests of their client, which is to delay. delay, delay the eventual court appearance in the hope that witnesses will drop out of sight, memories will fade, evidence may get lost, and/or the individual can "prove" how well they are doing if they aren't rearrested in the intervening time. However, this serves to add huge delays, grossly increases court costs and causes logjams in the court system. Most people take the advice of their lawyers because hey, they're the experts.

Lawyers.

oftenreading

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »

oftenreading wrote: »

Not to put all the blame on lawyers or anything, but I think a lot of the problems stem from the legal advice being given. The lawyers advise what they see to be in the best interests of their client, which is to delay. delay, delay the eventual court appearance in the hope that witnesses will drop out of sight, memories will fade, evidence may get lost, and/or the individual can "prove" how well they are doing if they aren't rearrested in the intervening time. However, this serves to add huge delays, grossly increases court costs and causes logjams in the court system. Most people take the advice of their lawyers because hey, they're the experts.

Lawyers.

Not sure if that's agreement or not .

Jason P

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Jason P wrote: »

Did you watch the documentary (I think 30 for 30)?

There was an assistant coach (or some other team personnel guy) on Michigan's bench standing up and signalling for a timeout to Webber. It hasn't been ascertained whether or not Webber saw the guy and called it or not... but it's clear Webber wasn't the only guy who didn't know they were out of timeouts.

When I think of basketball players as idiots... there's a long list.

When I think of athletes as idiots... there's a massive list- think of Aaron Hernandez.

Jason P

This is what happens when you decide to drive a Lamborghini Huracan at 215 mph on a public highway ... These two idiots should be up for the Darwin Award nominees except they both somehow survived ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHp3jqRj-jg

hedonist

Some dude out here crashed his limited edition Lambo (worth $450K) into a light pole when he swerved to avoid hitting an animal.

Ouch.

Talking about idiots, I nominate myself for a minor award. My 10C membership renewal showed when I checked my bank statement online, but I didn't recognize the name (the fuck is modlife?) and flagged the pending charge, which in turn canceled my debit card. What a pain in the ass I caused for myself :-w

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Jason P wrote: »

This is what happens when you decide to drive a Lamborghini Huracan at 215 mph on a public highway ... These two idiots should be up for the Darwin Award nominees except they both somehow survived ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHp3jqRj-jg

Idiots yes... but that car is responsive. The accelerations and decelerations are crazy.

The driver doesn't 'fit' in that car. It looks like his knees are pressed against the windshield.

* At about the 0:45 second mark... there`s an idiot as well- they never bothered to note there was a rocket flying down the left lane and they casually signalled into it preparing to pass the car going 75kmh in front of them at a speed of 80kmh (laa-dee-daa-dee-daa-dee-daa-zzzzzzzzzzz).

I get you don't normally expect something like that on your typical Sunday afternoon drive... but come on, man... pay attention.

callen

Jason. How do you know they survived?

Jason P

callen wrote: »

Jason. How do you know they survived?

News reports. The passenger sustained pretty severe injuries and the driver is under charges of reckless endangerment.

Might be a feather in the cap for Lambo's safety record. Makes those Volkswagon commercials where people get in accidents at 30 mph look like a bunch of wussies.

gimmesometruth27