FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE PEARL JAM FAN CROWDFUND CAMPAIGN LAUNCHES NEW WEBSITE

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PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

I can't figure out if we are being spammed or not by this guy. This is thread number three on this issue....

Apparently it's for real. Just everyone keeps being a-holes and fighting about it.. So the threads keep getting closed/ locked. I don't think the guy that started this was necessarily being shady, as some claim, ( though it DOES look that way when you're asking for card info on an unfounded request/ idea), but this whole thing was gone about in the wrong way. PJ fans are weird like that.. There's more grey than black and white.. And sides shift on the regular, and quite like tectonic plates, it causes great disturbances. But to try to get the news involved cause the PJ fans can't get along and jump on this guy's wagon just seems sorta creepy and odd. I just think this guy needs to research more and realize no show just materializes. For every ONE of us that attends there are fifty details that have to be ironed out. It's a LOT of work. And the 500,000 raised would barely pay the band, that's not venue rental, security, concession rental, vendor lend out, lawyers ( yes you need a law team to do all this shit), ' facilities' rental, parking resourcing, residential permit for sound law, ( even WITH the 10 PM curfew) advertising, ( although that little news stunt was free in that note!), insurance; on venue, parking settlements, security forces, general insurance, and secondary casualty property insurance,- and believe me you might want to pay some extra for that part of it given the condition of the venue. Liability insurance, and satisfaction disparage insurance. And THAT isn't even ALL of it! There's promoters involved, and coordinators, and fielding agents, and allllllllll of these people want paid.. You're looking closer to a 2 mil. Mark.. Roughly close to near about 1.8 for everything,NOT including the band. And that is the LOW side.

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Low low low low side of that ball park figure.. Just saying..

PJfanwillneverleave1

whispering hands said:

Low low low low side of that ball park figure.. Just saying..

Just saying also that there seems to be a lot of leeway for this topic.

hedonist

Honestly, I don't think questioning the initial post(s) and sensing a lack of credibility/integrity for not being upfront from the get-go is the same as being an asshole.

Anyone has a right to air their skepticism as much as the proponents do to attempt this shindig.

That's been my main issue, plus the "article".

No offense to Ms. Soul

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hedonist said:

Honestly, I don't think questioning the initial post(s) and sensing a lack of credibility/integrity for not being upfront from the get-go is the same as being an asshole.

Anyone has a right to air their skepticism as much as the proponents do to attempt this shindig.

That's been my main issue, plus the "article".

No offense to Ms. Soul

I was referring to our manner of response, not the responses themselves. To question the motive and founding of this whole thing is wise. I was referring to the bickering. By our I include myself, cause I KNOW I can be a downright bitch sometimes.

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PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

whispering hands said:

Low low low low side of that ball park figure.. Just saying..

Just saying also that there seems to be a lot of leeway for this topic.

Very true.

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Does calling ourself names count??

cp3iverson

Let the band plan their tour. I dont want wishlist or this group speaking for us

PJfanwillneverleave1

hedonist said:

Honestly, I don't think questioning the initial post(s) and sensing a lack of credibility/integrity for not being upfront from the get-go is the same as being an asshole.

Anyone has a right to air their skepticism as much as the proponents do to attempt this shindig.

That's been my main issue, plus the "article".

No offense to Ms. Soul

cp3iverson said:

Let the band plan their tour. I dont want wishlist or this group speaking for us

Nice =D>

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cp3iverson said:

Let the band plan their tour. I dont want wishlist or this group speaking for us

Best idea yet!! I nominate this for best post of the thread!

WhatYouTaughtMe

whispering hands said:

hedonist said:

Honestly, I don't think questioning the initial post(s) and sensing a lack of credibility/integrity for not being upfront from the get-go is the same as being an asshole.

Anyone has a right to air their skepticism as much as the proponents do to attempt this shindig.

That's been my main issue, plus the "article".

No offense to Ms. Soul

I was referring to our manner of response, not the responses themselves. To question the motive and founding of this whole thing is wise. I was referring to the bickering. By our I include myself, cause I KNOW I can be a downright bitch sometimes.

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I can only speak for myself and if it makes me an asshole, so be it. Pretending you stumbled upon something, saying it seems legit and trying to get people on board without initially revealing yourself as the organizer IS SHADY. I apologize for the shitty grammar. I hope it doesn't get quoted in some half assed newspaper article.

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WhatYouTaughtMe said:

whispering hands said:

hedonist said:

Honestly, I don't think questioning the initial post(s) and sensing a lack of credibility/integrity for not being upfront from the get-go is the same as being an asshole.

Anyone has a right to air their skepticism as much as the proponents do to attempt this shindig.

That's been my main issue, plus the "article".

No offense to Ms. Soul

I was referring to our manner of response, not the responses themselves. To question the motive and founding of this whole thing is wise. I was referring to the bickering. By our I include myself, cause I KNOW I can be a downright bitch sometimes.

)
I can only speak for myself and if it makes me an asshole, so be it. Pretending you stumbled upon something, saying it seems legit and trying to get people on board without initially revealing yourself as the organizer IS SHADY. I apologize for the shitty grammar. I hope it doesn't get quoted in some half assed newspaper article.

Ok ok.. That part WAS shady, yes. But I don't think his original idea was shady, meaning I don't think this was set up to be a scam. I think his initial intention was based on a fervent belief that as fellow fans we'd all be on board... And based on that notion, I don't believe he was or IS trying to rip people off. Like I said the way this was gone about was waaaaay off! And I don't think this guy realizes how much is involved in what he's undertaking. PJ employs hundreds if people to do these things in the course of a tour. And I honestly believe planning that should be left to professionals. Now, don't get me wrong, I love the WL people, I think they're doing great things, and even though they have a much better shot at pulling off a campaign like this, I think it should be left to the professionals, period! Unless either party, WL, or this guy and his crew if any, are willing to bring in real hands on deck, there's just too much risk involved. And believe me when I say the WL have a much harder job to pull off The Gorge than this guy and this tinkly fink venue( historic or not, I fear you've not taken I to account all the side orders for space requested- I.E. The I'll take seven tickets etc- fir space accounted into availability for stock
Public access). Either way.. Yes the original undertaking of this campaign came across as shady. But look at some of the reactions he's gotten.. Wouldn't you have a little trepidation about putting yourself into that line of fire?? But ultimately you are right. He should have been honest. Good luck to both campaigns.. You're BOTH gonna need it! Trust!! I've seen entire institutions and promotions corps take themselves down in bad name trying to pull stuff like this off! Anyways.. Good luck to all of you involved.. I will still eat my words if they do this Forrest Hills thing!

WhatYouTaughtMe

whispering hands said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

whispering hands said:

hedonist said:

Honestly, I don't think questioning the initial post(s) and sensing a lack of credibility/integrity for not being upfront from the get-go is the same as being an asshole.

Anyone has a right to air their skepticism as much as the proponents do to attempt this shindig.

That's been my main issue, plus the "article".

No offense to Ms. Soul

I was referring to our manner of response, not the responses themselves. To question the motive and founding of this whole thing is wise. I was referring to the bickering. By our I include myself, cause I KNOW I can be a downright bitch sometimes.

)
I can only speak for myself and if it makes me an asshole, so be it. Pretending you stumbled upon something, saying it seems legit and trying to get people on board without initially revealing yourself as the organizer IS SHADY. I apologize for the shitty grammar. I hope it doesn't get quoted in some half assed newspaper article.

Ok ok.. That part WAS shady, yes. But I don't think his original idea was shady, meaning I don't think this was set up to be a scam. I think his initial intention was based on a fervent belief that as fellow fans we'd all be on board... And based on that notion, I don't believe he was or IS trying to rip people off. Like I said the way this was gone about was waaaaay off! And I don't think this guy realizes how much is involved in what he's undertaking. PJ employs hundreds if people to do these things in the course of a tour. And I honestly believe planning that should be left to professionals. Now, don't get me wrong, I love the WL people, I think they're doing great things, and even though they have a much better shot at pulling off a campaign like this, I think it should be left to the professionals, period! Unless either party, WL, or this guy and his crew if any, are willing to bring in real hands on deck, there's just too much risk involved. And believe me when I say the WL have a much harder job to pull off The Gorge than this guy and this tinkly fink venue( historic or not, I fear you've not taken I to account all the side orders for space requested- I.E. The I'll take seven tickets etc- fir space accounted into availability for stock
Public access). Either way.. Yes the original undertaking of this campaign came across as shady. But look at some of the reactions he's gotten.. Wouldn't you have a little trepidation about putting yourself into that line of fire?? But ultimately you are right. He should have been honest. Good luck to both campaigns.. You're BOTH gonna need it! Trust!! I've seen entire institutions and promotions corps take themselves down in bad name trying to pull stuff like this off! Anyways.. Good luck to all of you involved.. I will still eat my words if they do this Forrest Hills thing!

I agree with a lot of what you said and am in no way saying dude was trying to rip people off. I was just turned off by the initial dishonesty. It's always good practice to be upfront when trying to sell people on an idea or product in general. Hey, if they make it happen, awesome. I just won't get behind it financially myself, that's all.

pdalowsky

There was this and the initial nonsense on facebook that was handled very badly. Anyone raising questions or legit concerns were simply deleted from the group - silenced.

I too think that Dan has only the best intentions in pulling this thing off, but certain elements have been handled so badly its untrue.

F Me In The Brain

MayDay10

I agree with Paul. Early on, questions on FB have disappeared, ignored or met with these phony "canned" responses starting with stale things like "we are doing our best to ensure..." come on... but he seems to have adjusted a bit. That first impression put people on edge against or skeptical about this.
WTH are the $1000 worth of goodies anyways and who is going to purchase that and with what $?

Im not sure how it would have gone down, or if enough people would agree on anything, but it would have been much better if this guy brought it to maybe the board before launching to make it "crowd" sourced and people would have had a chance to kick ideas around and had a better feel for the start of the project. It seems that a lot of logistical things are set up to fail here with the venue, location (way too far for a one off show), and the price point ($80 i lower than a typical ticket, no?).

ckravitz

I don't know, something is just off. To get sort of a break by having a newspaper actually run a story about it only to use half the article space to talk about the controversy surrounding it? I mean it makes absolutely no sense to do that on any level. And then to endorse the article with a tweet?

Certainly not the team I'd choose to organize my next campaign!!

ivegotcookies

Watch our segment on the CW11 news last night, we are staying strong!

http://video.pix11.com/Fans-raise-money-to-bring-Pearl-Jam-to-Queens-28164852#.VGrLMKq9KnN

hedonist

I'm not on Facebook or Twitter so not sure what (if at all) in the realm of questioning anything has been addressed (though by comments posted here, seems they've been *poofed* away).

I actually feel bad for the band at this point. After all the energy spent - and given - touring and traveling and heeding numerous requests over the past how many months? Would never presume to speak for them but if in their shoes, I'd want to be kindly and unselfishly left the fuck alone to spend well-earned down time as I want and with whom I want.

F Me In The Brain

hedonist said:

I'm not on Facebook or Twitter so not sure what (if at all) in the realm of questioning anything has been addressed (though by comments posted here, seems they've been *poofed* away).

I actually feel bad for the band at this point. After all the energy spent - and given - touring and traveling and heeding numerous requests over the past how many months? Would never presume to speak for them but if in their shoes, I'd want to be kindly and unselfishly left the fuck alone to spend well-earned down time as I want and with whom I want.

bravo.