I totally understand if people want to hunt with rifles but you can't hide a rifle in your pocket and hand guns only have one intended purpose. Studies show that your chance of being shot goes up dramatically when you introduce a gun into an already volatile situation. Stun guns are the way to go. Apparently when you press a button on the projectile style stun guns it drops the leads and continues to shock the person for 10 or 15 seconds giving you a chance to run away and running is what anyone should do unless your just fixated on killing someone. Why does the military have so many non-lethal weapons and we're still stuck with these black powder filled caveman boom sticks?
In my opinion, it would be very difficult for society and the world to limit firearms. Unfortunately, guns are not high technology, have been around for centuries, and are now being made with 3D printers. I would love to live in a world without violent people and criminals who endanger others but that's not how the world works. If our society can become a more peaceful place than I would gladly destroy my firearm.
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Putting this link here as a well written perspective. I personally am pro gun but respectfully try understand each opinion or stance that one may have.
Our kids need to understand that the social and emotional pains they feel in the most tumultuous time of their life is momentary and that violence/suicide are not options- ever.
Our kids need to understand that the social and emotional pains they feel in the most tumultuous time of their life is momentary and that violence/suicide are not options- ever.
There's always better days ahead.
Yes, exactly! This is why we need to keep guns out of the hands of our kids - so they can't take a permanent action based on temporary emotions. They feel so intensely as teens/young adults that it seems very condescending when someone tries to explain that their heartbreak over the girl who broke up with them, or their embarrassment over what some guy said to them in class, will seem distant and juvenile to them next year, or even next month.
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Our kids need to understand that the social and emotional pains they feel in the most tumultuous time of their life is momentary and that violence/suicide are not options- ever.
There's always better days ahead.
If they want to end it, have at it. Stop taking other with you.
Our kids need to understand that the social and emotional pains they feel in the most tumultuous time of their life is momentary and that violence/suicide are not options- ever.
There's always better days ahead.
If they want to end it, have at it. Stop taking other with you.
...says the guy who works at a coal plant...
I feel the same way.
Real compassionate buddy....
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Our kids need to understand that the social and emotional pains they feel in the most tumultuous time of their life is momentary and that violence/suicide are not options- ever.
There's always better days ahead.
If they want to end it, have at it. Stop taking other with you.
...says the guy who works at a coal plant...
I feel the same way.
Real compassionate buddy....
I get what he's saying and there is an element of truth to it- I feel much worse for the 'others' than I do for the shooter.
However, the community seems to be authentically mourning the shooter's death as well. If they can forgive him... ?
Our kids need to understand that the social and emotional pains they feel in the most tumultuous time of their life is momentary and that violence/suicide are not options- ever.
There's always better days ahead.
If they want to end it, have at it. Stop taking other with you.
Our kids need to understand that the social and emotional pains they feel in the most tumultuous time of their life is momentary and that violence/suicide are not options- ever.
There's always better days ahead.
If they want to end it, have at it. Stop taking other with you.
...says the guy who works at a coal plant...
I feel the same way.
Real compassionate buddy....
I get what he's saying and there is an element of truth to it- I feel much worse for the 'others' than I do for the shooter.
However, the community seems to be authentically mourning the shooter's death as well. If they can forgive him... ?
He was a child, and from what I've read a child who was loved by the community and at least one of the victims (his cousin), and loved him in return. If he hadn't had access to a gun, this probably would have been a fist-fight with his cousin, time to cool off, then patching it up later when they all moved on.
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Our kids need to understand that the social and emotional pains they feel in the most tumultuous time of their life is momentary and that violence/suicide are not options- ever.
There's always better days ahead.
If they want to end it, have at it. Stop taking other with you.
I get it too.
If needing to punish or hurt yourself (this is not something easily written), please please...leave the innocents alone.
Wish I could articulate it better in this moment, and I have no doubt of the collective compassion in this community.
Our kids need to understand that the social and emotional pains they feel in the most tumultuous time of their life is momentary and that violence/suicide are not options- ever.
There's always better days ahead.
If they want to end it, have at it. Stop taking other with you.
...says the guy who works at a coal plant...
I feel the same way.
Real compassionate buddy....
I get what he's saying and there is an element of truth to it- I feel much worse for the 'others' than I do for the shooter.
However, the community seems to be authentically mourning the shooter's death as well. If they can forgive him... ?
He was a child, and from what I've read a child who was loved by the community and at least one of the victims (his cousin), and loved him in return. If he hadn't had access to a gun, this probably would have been a fist-fight with his cousin, time to cool off, then patching it up later when they all moved on.
He was also a child who texted his friends to meet in a specific spot and then walked up to them and shot them in the back of the heads. If he was 5, I'd be more understanding. He was more than capable of making a better choice than the one he did.
I'm as disappointed as anyone about the state of affairs our youth is in. However, I'm not going to feign a ton of sympathy for a 'young' mass murderer.
With that said, there are two issues here that need to be addressed:
1. Teenage angst and lack of coping skills in 'today's world'. - the pressure on our youth is greater than what it was when I was a teenager. Social media has left our kids exposed in ways we cannot begin to measure.
2. Guns.
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1a. Never teaching a child how to deal with being told no. Instead every child is special and gets a trophy for participating, heck they don't even keep score sometimes because they don't want hurt feelings.
2a. Lack of training on safe use of firearms. Lack of training on how a firearm functions and how it is a dangerous tool. Instead lets just use the Xbox to babysit for lazy parents. Little Johnny can play call of duty all day and only have friends on the Internet.
Both lead to zero social skills and create outcasts. Both policies of a far left agenda. Ding ding.
1a. Never teaching a child how to deal with being told no. Instead every child is special and gets a trophy for participating, heck they don't even keep score sometimes because they don't want hurt feelings.
Our kids need to understand that the social and emotional pains they feel in the most tumultuous time of their life is momentary and that violence/suicide are not options- ever.
There's always better days ahead.
If they want to end it, have at it. Stop taking other with you.
...says the guy who works at a coal plant...
I feel the same way.
Real compassionate buddy....
I get what he's saying and there is an element of truth to it- I feel much worse for the 'others' than I do for the shooter.
However, the community seems to be authentically mourning the shooter's death as well. If they can forgive him... ?
He was a child, and from what I've read a child who was loved by the community and at least one of the victims (his cousin), and loved him in return. If he hadn't had access to a gun, this probably would have been a fist-fight with his cousin, time to cool off, then patching it up later when they all moved on.
He was also a child who texted his friends to meet in a specific spot and then walked up to them and shot them in the back of the heads. If he was 5, I'd be more understanding. He was more than capable of making a better choice than the one he did.
I'm as disappointed as anyone about the state of affairs our youth is in. However, I'm not going to feign a ton of sympathy for a 'young' mass murderer.
With that said, there are two issues here that need to be addressed:
1. Teenage angst and lack of coping skills in 'today's world'. - the pressure on our youth is greater than what it was when I was a teenager. Social media has left our kids exposed in ways we cannot begin to measure.
2. Guns.
I don't blame the kid.
Yeah the kid should of known better but we’ve all had times in our lives that pressures and hate have brewed up to make us very angry. Many would even say that they wanted to fkn off someone. Would we do it? Most no, but some humans, given the easy way to settle score and having an efficient easy tool like a Beretta in nightstand in dads bedroom to do it, will. If I had kids in the house, I would know that they are inherently unstable and would not allow them to have access. If you’re a parent and allow access to your kids..even for hunting you are increasing chances of something bad happening. Is it worth it..to teach Johnnie how to shoot a deer?…maybe?
As a society, we give shorter sentences or even just probation for killing another human with a gun…….. mistakenly shooting family member thought to be a burglar. Catching spouse in bed with another person. We acknowledge our failings in dealing with emotions mixed with guns and sentence accordingly. This says it all.
We will continue to have school shootings as well as other massacres. When I see yet another headline, I don’t bat an eye…heck don’t really read the stories anymore…...they are all the same. Same characters, same victims, same responsible gun owners that allowed access to confused youth.
We’ve invented a very efficient killing tool and have allowed this tool to be distributed to anyone that wants it. And as with having a child, we have created no obstacles, training or registration to have this efficient killing tool. Should be put restrictions? Should we give information to the government? I hate giving info to feds...but is it worth it?
Now should someone have the right to own this tool for one’s protection? If you do then you must acknowledge that innocent humans will die due to your right. You can deflect all you want but this is the consequence, right or not. And the more that exercise this right will directly correlate to more innocent humans being killed.
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I seriously am starting to believe that coming to this place is hazardous to my mental health.
What law or lack thereof allows ownership of a handgun to a teenager? None.
So why are you wanting redundancy and more laws?
What background check would have stopped this act? None. What other law would have? None. How would registration stopped this act? It wouldn't.
You want to fix this? See my previous. Stop addressing the symptoms with a complete waste of time. Liberals constantly try to social engineer children. It doesn't work. It needs to stop.
I seriously am starting to believe that coming to this place is hazardous to my mental health.
What law or lack thereof allows ownership of a handgun to a teenager? None.
So why are you wanting redundancy and more laws?
What background check would have stopped this act? None. What other law would have? None. How would registration stopped this act? It wouldn't.
You want to fix this? See my previous. Stop addressing the symptoms with a complete waste of time. Liberals constantly try to social engineer children. It doesn't work. It needs to stop.
Reading this post I am not surprised that you are a Pearl Jam fan.
But once again it has to be asked....
Would having a trained and armed staff member or more than one in the cafeteria prevented this heinous act from occurring?
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It may have reduced it. I don't have a crystal ball.
It's a better option than a sign and a "zone" that is ignored.
You want to fix this? See my previous. Stop addressing the symptoms with a complete waste of time. Liberals constantly try to social engineer children. It doesn't work. It needs to stop.
What was the solution? Training. Proper parenting?
Don't disagree this would help but barely. The ONLY way to solve gun deaths is to remove guns from society.
So we as a society choose to allow guns so we as a society must acknowledge we are okay with few innocents being shot. Stop being shocked at school shootings. This is our society.
And Further arming will not do ANYTHING. And Parents are going to continue to suck.
I seriously am starting to believe that coming to this place is hazardous to my mental health.
What law or lack thereof allows ownership of a handgun to a teenager? None.
So why are you wanting redundancy and more laws?
What background check would have stopped this act? None. What other law would have? None. How would registration stopped this act? It wouldn't.
You want to fix this? See my previous. Stop addressing the symptoms with a complete waste of time. Liberals constantly try to social engineer children. It doesn't work. It needs to stop.
At a minimum a gun should be locked up by the registered owner. That won't solve 100% of the issue but it would at least be a step toward prevention.
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I seriously am starting to believe that coming to this place is hazardous to my mental health.
Chicken/Egg?
All the parenting and training in the world has not, will not, and does not prevent. We see this over and over again. Good training, just makes them a better shot. Look at the DC Shooter a few years back, or that guy who's running around the forest in the NE (did they ever catch him?). Look at this kid, or a dozen others: "we never imagined it, he was such a good boy, liked by his friends, etc...".
We tried it your way. Your way doesn't work. Your way sucks. We're tired of sucking and expect better from ourselves.
Possible solutions:
You want to purchase a gun? Great, you can purchase a gun after a significant background check, waiting period.That includes background check for every gun purchase or transfer of possession, including between private citizens. No more gun show loophole.
You have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test. You also must take and pass a shooting class. Then, a mental test and drug test. All of which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups.
Provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. Police also inspect the gun annually. And you have to re-take the classes and exams every three years.
Even then, the number of guns purchased year will be severely limited. The types of guns you can purchase will be severely limited. You hunt? You get guns for hunting, that's it. No more easily concealed handguns. Reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban.
Your gun gets stolen and used in a crime? Congratulations, you are now an accessory to that crime and punishable under law.
The amount of ammo you can buy at a time will be limited. Ammo shells/casings will be stamped with ID#'s that can be traced back to the person who purchased that ammo. Your ammo gets used in a crime? Congratulations, you are now an accessory to that crime and punishable under law.
Smart guns - we have the technology, use it.
You need to conceal/carry - you better have a damn good reason. We're talking substantial threat - former lover with a restraining order type-stuff. Security guards who need one for work. Something better than: "I want to because I can".
WI 6/27/98 WI 10/8/00 MO 10/11/00 IL 4/23/03 MN 6/26/06 MN 6/27/06 WI 6/30/06 IL 8/5/07 IL 8/21/08 (EV) IL 8/22/08 (EV) IL 8/23/09 IL 8/24/09 IN 5/7/10 IL 6/28/11 (EV) IL 6/29/11 (EV) WI 9/3/11 WI 9/4/11 IL 7/19/13 NE 10/09/14 IL 10/17/14 MN 10/19/14 FL 4/11/16 IL 8/20/16 IL 8/22/16 IL 08/18/18 IL 08/20/18 IT 07/05/2020AT 07/07/2020
I seriously am starting to believe that coming to this place is hazardous to my mental health.
What law or lack thereof allows ownership of a handgun to a teenager? None.
So why are you wanting redundancy and more laws?
What background check would have stopped this act? None. What other law would have? None. How would registration stopped this act? It wouldn't.
You want to fix this? See my previous. Stop addressing the symptoms with a complete waste of time. Liberals constantly try to social engineer children. It doesn't work. It needs to stop.
Nobody wants redundancy and more laws as much as they want effective laws that have the potential to make a difference.
The status quo is brutal and obviously, most certainly, without question in dire need of reform.
I realize the weapon industry has instilled paranoia and fear into many people and because they are scared... the 'obviousness' of the situation has been lost on them.
so you dont think the owner of a weapon that's used in a crime such as this shouldnt be held accountable? If that kid was driving his parents car and plowed into a crowd wouldnt they bear some responsibility? Whats different?
a fucking kid steels his dad's car keys & car then plowed into a group of kids. a lot of kids know their mom or dad's debit card pin number. the kid steels the card, withdrawls $50, gives it to an older friend or whomever can buy alcohol, they get hammered & the kid drives killing everyone in a head on collision.
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I would love to live in a world without violent people and criminals who endanger others but that's not how the world works. If our society can become a more peaceful place than I would gladly destroy my firearm.
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Denver 10-22-14
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/24/opinion/liu-marysville-shooting-guns/index.html
Our kids need to understand that the social and emotional pains they feel in the most tumultuous time of their life is momentary and that violence/suicide are not options- ever.
There's always better days ahead.
I feel the same way.
Real compassionate buddy....
However, the community seems to be authentically mourning the shooter's death as well. If they can forgive him... ?
If needing to punish or hurt yourself (this is not something easily written), please please...leave the innocents alone.
Wish I could articulate it better in this moment, and I have no doubt of the collective compassion in this community.
I'm as disappointed as anyone about the state of affairs our youth is in. However, I'm not going to feign a ton of sympathy for a 'young' mass murderer.
With that said, there are two issues here that need to be addressed:
1. Teenage angst and lack of coping skills in 'today's world'.
- the pressure on our youth is greater than what it was when I was a teenager. Social media has left our kids exposed in ways we cannot begin to measure.
2. Guns.
2a. Lack of training on safe use of firearms. Lack of training on how a firearm functions and how it is a dangerous tool. Instead lets just use the Xbox to babysit for lazy parents. Little Johnny can play call of duty all day and only have friends on the Internet.
Both lead to zero social skills and create outcasts. Both policies of a far left agenda. Ding ding.
Yeah the kid should of known better but we’ve all had times in our lives that pressures and hate have brewed up to make us very angry. Many would even say that they wanted to fkn off someone. Would we do it? Most no, but some humans, given the easy way to settle score and having an efficient easy tool like a Beretta in nightstand in dads bedroom to do it, will.
If I had kids in the house, I would know that they are inherently unstable and would not allow them to have access. If you’re a parent and allow access to your kids..even for hunting you are increasing chances of something bad happening. Is it worth it..to teach Johnnie how to shoot a deer?…maybe?
As a society, we give shorter sentences or even just probation for killing another human with a gun…….. mistakenly shooting family member thought to be a burglar. Catching spouse in bed with another person. We acknowledge our failings in dealing with emotions mixed with guns and sentence accordingly. This says it all.
We will continue to have school shootings as well as other massacres. When I see yet another headline, I don’t bat an eye…heck don’t really read the stories anymore…...they are all the same. Same characters, same victims, same responsible gun owners that allowed access to confused youth.
We’ve invented a very efficient killing tool and have allowed this tool to be distributed to anyone that wants it. And as with having a child, we have created no obstacles, training or registration to have this efficient killing tool. Should be put restrictions? Should we give information to the government? I hate giving info to feds...but is it worth it?
Now should someone have the right to own this tool for one’s protection? If you do then you must acknowledge that innocent humans will die due to your right. You can deflect all you want but this is the consequence, right or not. And the more that exercise this right will directly correlate to more innocent humans being killed.
What law or lack thereof allows ownership of a handgun to a teenager? None.
So why are you wanting redundancy and more laws?
What background check would have stopped this act? None. What other law would have? None. How would registration stopped this act? It wouldn't.
You want to fix this? See my previous. Stop addressing the symptoms with a complete waste of time. Liberals constantly try to social engineer children. It doesn't work. It needs to stop.
But once again it has to be asked....
Would having a trained and armed staff member or more than one in the cafeteria prevented this heinous act from occurring?
It's a better option than a sign and a "zone" that is ignored.
So in US we've decided a few innocent humans being killed by guns is worth the right to own a gun.
Refusing to have guns registered giving government information makes it harder to hold humans accountable.
Simple as this.
Don't disagree this would help but barely. The ONLY way to solve gun deaths is to remove guns from society.
So we as a society choose to allow guns so we as a society must acknowledge we are okay with few innocents being shot. Stop being shocked at school shootings. This is our society.
And Further arming will not do ANYTHING. And Parents are going to continue to suck.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
All the parenting and training in the world has not, will not, and does not prevent. We see this over and over again. Good training, just makes them a better shot. Look at the DC Shooter a few years back, or that guy who's running around the forest in the NE (did they ever catch him?). Look at this kid, or a dozen others: "we never imagined it, he was such a good boy, liked by his friends, etc...".
We tried it your way. Your way doesn't work. Your way sucks. We're tired of sucking and expect better from ourselves.
Possible solutions:
You want to purchase a gun? Great, you can purchase a gun after a significant background check, waiting period.That includes background check for every gun purchase or transfer of possession, including between private citizens. No more gun show loophole.
You have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test. You also must take and pass a shooting class. Then, a mental test and drug test. All of which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups.
Provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. Police also inspect the gun annually. And you have to re-take the classes and exams every three years.
Even then, the number of guns purchased year will be severely limited. The types of guns you can purchase will be severely limited. You hunt? You get guns for hunting, that's it. No more easily concealed handguns. Reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban.
Your gun gets stolen and used in a crime? Congratulations, you are now an accessory to that crime and punishable under law.
The amount of ammo you can buy at a time will be limited. Ammo shells/casings will be stamped with ID#'s that can be traced back to the person who purchased that ammo. Your ammo gets used in a crime? Congratulations, you are now an accessory to that crime and punishable under law.
Smart guns - we have the technology, use it.
You need to conceal/carry - you better have a damn good reason. We're talking substantial threat - former lover with a restraining order type-stuff. Security guards who need one for work. Something better than: "I want to because I can".
I've posted this before and I'll post it again - this is how you handle gun ownership and reduce gun violence in a civilized society:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/?single_page=true
The status quo is brutal and obviously, most certainly, without question in dire need of reform.
I realize the weapon industry has instilled paranoia and fear into many people and because they are scared... the 'obviousness' of the situation has been lost on them.
the parents should go to prison
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
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