I spent most of yesterday reading old back and forth conversations with her on a lot of topics and found myself laughing quite a bit. She was certainly a character on these boards that was both hilarious and frustrating at the same time. Loss of close family is never easy, my thoughts go out to them. I have to say I hate being reminded that life is so short, time for me to get out and take advantage of today.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I will always remember her fondly. She was to me a truly remarkable person. She was always quick to add her wisdom to some of my posts. Whether we disagreed or agreed we always had warm fuzziness and humor in our exchanges. My box turtle shares the same name, and I will always be reminded of her. Thank you for sharing with us Pandora. We will miss you ( she was fond of using the clapping emoticon) =D>
I was originally not going to post anything as my time on the board did not intersect with Pandora's. However, anyone who provokes such passionate comments must have been a remarkable person indeed. I'll raise a glass to honour her and her 10 club friends tonight.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
I was originally not going to post anything as my time on the board did not intersect with Pandora's. However, anyone who provokes such passionate comments must have been a remarkable person indeed. I'll raise a glass to honour her and her 10 club friends tonight.
I was quite shocked reading JB's email - at first I didn't even open it, thinking it was a phising e-mail.
As some of you here, my 'exchanges' with Pandora were somewhat heated and 'petulant'. Didn't really see eye to eye with her on most things.
But that doesn't stop me from feeling sorrow. Sorrow for JB who lost his soulmate in such an untimely manner. Sorrow for her children who lost their mother. My thoughts are with her family at this very sad time and with all those who loved her.
Most times, when people get banned, I just assume that they go on and live their lives another 30 years or whatever and spend their time doing other more productive things than arguing with a bunch of strangers on the internet. You never, ever, expect them to pass away, or have their time just stop like this. It really makes you think and puts everything into perspective.
Pandora and i have an interesting history. We never really got along on amt. We were polar opposites and we went at it pretty hard on here. It was nothing personal, at least on my end. She was just so "lovey dovey" and for the life of me i could not figure out why. Here i was going through some very tough situations and was basically hating life and everything and everyone in it, and here was this person with an avatar of a smiling Ed that seemed to have all of the happiness in the world. I could not figure it out. I did not think she was real, because nobody could be that positive, and that happy, right?? I tried really hard to figure out where she got her positivity from, and where she got her happiness, and where she got her outlook on life. I really tried to catch her in a moment of contradiction, but she never contradicted herself. She always stuck to her position, even when she was the only one taking that position. She never backed down, and i respected the hell out of her for that. Most times, the rest of us would just bail when a thread was going against us. But not her. We argued a lot on here, and i was a dickhead a lot of the time. I feel really bad about that. After she got banned, i felt even worse about it. Even though her ban happened months after i pretty much started ignoring all of her moving train posts. Her and I got along fine on other forums. She actually gave me feedback on some of my music and some of my writing, and I took it to heart. She was always good about being able to put disagreements aside in order to give honest feedback about whatever you might be creating.
After she got banned, JB reached out to me. He told me that she took the banning really hard, and that she wanted me to know that she did not harbor any anger against me and that she enjoyed our exchanges over the years. I was kind of surprised to hear that. It made me feel good to know that she wanted him to take time out of his day to message me and tell me that. I was able to smooth things out with her through emails and pms to JB. Over the months JB and I got to be fairly regular pen pals. I let them know a lot about me and what was going on in my life, and in a way, they let me into their lives. It was through those messages that I finally understood where Pandora got her happiness. That man loved her with all of his heart. My heart is broken for him and for their family. I am typing this through tears. I can not imagine what they are going through right now. I saw the photos of her, and she looks nothing like I imagined. When i thought of her, i thought of the smiling mid clap photo of Ed.
The last time i heard from JB was about 6 or 8 months ago. Maybe longer. He said that he was going to let his membership lapse, since Pandora did not want to see pearl jam again. It made me sad she felt that way, because pearl jam was a big part of her life for so long. We had email addresses that we could keep in touch. Sadly, I lost touch with him, as I do so often with people on here. I need to try to find his email and drop him a line.
Sorry to ramble. I just needed to put this out there.
JB if you see this, I am really, really sorry for your loss. I am glad that you reached out to me so that Pandi and I could smooth things over. Take care of yourself and your family. And, no, i never got the new dog
RIP Pandora, and thanks for the memories.
Rod
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Most times, when people get banned, I just assume that they go on and live their lives another 30 years or whatever and spend their time doing other more productive things than arguing with a bunch of strangers on the internet. You never, ever, expect them to pass away, or have their time just stop like this. It really makes you think and puts everything into perspective.
Pandora and i have an interesting history. We never really got along on amt. We were polar opposites and we went at it pretty hard on here. It was nothing personal, at least on my end. She was just so "lovey dovey" and for the life of me i could not figure out why. Here i was going through some very tough situations and was basically hating life and everything and everyone in it, and here was this person with an avatar of a smiling Ed that seemed to have all of the happiness in the world. I could not figure it out. I did not think she was real, because nobody could be that positive, and that happy, right?? I tried really hard to figure out where she got her positivity from, and where she got her happiness, and where she got her outlook on life. I really tried to catch her in a moment of contradiction, but she never contradicted herself. She always stuck to her position, even when she was the only one taking that position. She never backed down, and i respected the hell out of her for that. Most times, the rest of us would just bail when a thread was going against us. But not her. We argued a lot on here, and i was a dickhead a lot of the time. I feel really bad about that. After she got banned, i felt even worse about it. Even though her ban happened months after i pretty much started ignoring all of her moving train posts. Her and I got along fine on other forums. She actually gave me feedback on some of my music and some of my writing, and I took it to heart. She was always good about being able to put disagreements aside in order to give honest feedback about whatever you might be creating.
After she got banned, JB reached out to me. He told me that she took the banning really hard, and that she wanted me to know that she did not harbor any anger against me and that she enjoyed our exchanges over the years. I was kind of surprised to hear that. It made me feel good to know that she wanted him to take time out of his day to message me and tell me that. I was able to smooth things out with her through emails and pms to JB. Over the months JB and I got to be fairly regular pen pals. I let them know a lot about me and what was going on in my life, and in a way, they let me into their lives. It was through those messages that I finally understood where Pandora got her happiness. That man loved her with all of his heart. My heart is broken for him and for their family. I am typing this through tears. I can not imagine what they are going through right now. I saw the photos of her, and she looks nothing like I imagined. When i thought of her, i thought of the smiling mid clap photo of Ed.
The last time i heard from JB was about 6 or 8 months ago. Maybe longer. He said that he was going to let his membership lapse, since Pandora did not want to see pearl jam again. It made me sad she felt that way, because pearl jam was a big part of her life for so long. We had email addresses that we could keep in touch. Sadly, I lost touch with him, as I do so often with people on here. I need to try to find his email and drop him a line.
Sorry to ramble. I just needed to put this out there.
JB if you see this, I am really, really sorry for your loss. I am glad that you reached out to me so that Pandi and I could smooth things over. Take care of yourself and your family. And, no, i never got the new dog
RIP Pandora, and thanks for the memories.
Rod
I'll be honest with you guys and I'm sure u guys already know. Me and pandora got into it ALL THE TIME. Like back and forth. Would've been cool if I had gotten to smooth things out with her or be able to share a story like this. It's like you say, you never know in life. Hang in there JB, man that's def got to hurt no doubt. Be strong for your family.
Most times, when people get banned, I just assume that they go on and live their lives another 30 years or whatever and spend their time doing other more productive things than arguing with a bunch of strangers on the internet. You never, ever, expect them to pass away, or have their time just stop like this. It really makes you think and puts everything into perspective.
Pandora and i have an interesting history. We never really got along on amt. We were polar opposites and we went at it pretty hard on here. It was nothing personal, at least on my end. She was just so "lovey dovey" and for the life of me i could not figure out why. Here i was going through some very tough situations and was basically hating life and everything and everyone in it, and here was this person with an avatar of a smiling Ed that seemed to have all of the happiness in the world. I could not figure it out. I did not think she was real, because nobody could be that positive, and that happy, right?? I tried really hard to figure out where she got her positivity from, and where she got her happiness, and where she got her outlook on life. I really tried to catch her in a moment of contradiction, but she never contradicted herself. She always stuck to her position, even when she was the only one taking that position. She never backed down, and i respected the hell out of her for that. Most times, the rest of us would just bail when a thread was going against us. But not her. We argued a lot on here, and i was a dickhead a lot of the time. I feel really bad about that. After she got banned, i felt even worse about it. Even though her ban happened months after i pretty much started ignoring all of her moving train posts. Her and I got along fine on other forums. She actually gave me feedback on some of my music and some of my writing, and I took it to heart. She was always good about being able to put disagreements aside in order to give honest feedback about whatever you might be creating.
After she got banned, JB reached out to me. He told me that she took the banning really hard, and that she wanted me to know that she did not harbor any anger against me and that she enjoyed our exchanges over the years. I was kind of surprised to hear that. It made me feel good to know that she wanted him to take time out of his day to message me and tell me that. I was able to smooth things out with her through emails and pms to JB. Over the months JB and I got to be fairly regular pen pals. I let them know a lot about me and what was going on in my life, and in a way, they let me into their lives. It was through those messages that I finally understood where Pandora got her happiness. That man loved her with all of his heart. My heart is broken for him and for their family. I am typing this through tears. I can not imagine what they are going through right now. I saw the photos of her, and she looks nothing like I imagined. When i thought of her, i thought of the smiling mid clap photo of Ed.
The last time i heard from JB was about 6 or 8 months ago. Maybe longer. He said that he was going to let his membership lapse, since Pandora did not want to see pearl jam again. It made me sad she felt that way, because pearl jam was a big part of her life for so long. We had email addresses that we could keep in touch. Sadly, I lost touch with him, as I do so often with people on here. I need to try to find his email and drop him a line. Sorry to ramble. I just needed to put this out there.
JB if you see this, I am really, really sorry for your loss. I am glad that you reached out to me so that Pandi and I could smooth things over. Take care of yourself and your family. And, no, i never got the new dog
RIP Pandora, and thanks for the memories.
Rod
This was really cool of you to write. I have kept up with AMT and with all of you but have had to step away because it really does require a thick skin to keep participating in the dialogue around here. I have learned so much from all of you and really enjoy the differing points of view that are here. It makes me sad to hear that Pandora didn't want to see PJ again as that is the very thing that has kept me coming back here week after week to check in on all of you.
I didn't see eye to eye with Pandora and I haven't been around very long but she definitely had an impact upon me. Hell, many of you have had a huge impact upon me whether you know it or not. This place is really awesome and I visit the AMT just as much as the Porch. All of you should know that you influence so many people, in so many different ways, even if you don't know it!
I raise a glass to Pandora and all of the AMT and the awesome PJ fans!
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
You wrote that through tears, I read what you wrote with tears.
I've learned to not underestimate the impacts people can have on our lives.
Really nice read, gimme. Rod. Thank you for that.
thanks. i probably shouldn't have said anything because those conversations did not take place on the board.
i just needed to share that because i know that a lot of people witnessed her and I argue pretty intensely, and it probably looked really bad and reflected poorly on me. i wanted people who went at it with her and did not get the chance to make peace to know that she probably did not hold anything against them. they didn't get a chance to make amends. why i got to, i will never know.
i didn't write the whole thing through tears, just the part about how she took the banning hard, and how he loved her with all of his heart. i was trying to choose the right words, and had all of these memories and emotions i was trying to keep straight.
and yes BB, you can make peace after the fact. i think that might be why they call it "being at peace" with some situation.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Most times, when people get banned, I just assume that they go on and live their lives another 30 years or whatever and spend their time doing other more productive things than arguing with a bunch of strangers on the internet. You never, ever, expect them to pass away, or have their time just stop like this. It really makes you think and puts everything into perspective.
Pandora and i have an interesting history. We never really got along on amt. We were polar opposites and we went at it pretty hard on here. It was nothing personal, at least on my end. She was just so "lovey dovey" and for the life of me i could not figure out why. Here i was going through some very tough situations and was basically hating life and everything and everyone in it, and here was this person with an avatar of a smiling Ed that seemed to have all of the happiness in the world. I could not figure it out. I did not think she was real, because nobody could be that positive, and that happy, right?? I tried really hard to figure out where she got her positivity from, and where she got her happiness, and where she got her outlook on life. I really tried to catch her in a moment of contradiction, but she never contradicted herself. She always stuck to her position, even when she was the only one taking that position. She never backed down, and i respected the hell out of her for that. Most times, the rest of us would just bail when a thread was going against us. But not her. We argued a lot on here, and i was a dickhead a lot of the time. I feel really bad about that. After she got banned, i felt even worse about it. Even though her ban happened months after i pretty much started ignoring all of her moving train posts. Her and I got along fine on other forums. She actually gave me feedback on some of my music and some of my writing, and I took it to heart. She was always good about being able to put disagreements aside in order to give honest feedback about whatever you might be creating.
After she got banned, JB reached out to me. He told me that she took the banning really hard, and that she wanted me to know that she did not harbor any anger against me and that she enjoyed our exchanges over the years. I was kind of surprised to hear that. It made me feel good to know that she wanted him to take time out of his day to message me and tell me that. I was able to smooth things out with her through emails and pms to JB. Over the months JB and I got to be fairly regular pen pals. I let them know a lot about me and what was going on in my life, and in a way, they let me into their lives. It was through those messages that I finally understood where Pandora got her happiness. That man loved her with all of his heart. My heart is broken for him and for their family. I am typing this through tears. I can not imagine what they are going through right now. I saw the photos of her, and she looks nothing like I imagined. When i thought of her, i thought of the smiling mid clap photo of Ed.
The last time i heard from JB was about 6 or 8 months ago. Maybe longer. He said that he was going to let his membership lapse, since Pandora did not want to see pearl jam again. It made me sad she felt that way, because pearl jam was a big part of her life for so long. We had email addresses that we could keep in touch. Sadly, I lost touch with him, as I do so often with people on here. I need to try to find his email and drop him a line. Sorry to ramble. I just needed to put this out there.
JB if you see this, I am really, really sorry for your loss. I am glad that you reached out to me so that Pandi and I could smooth things over. Take care of yourself and your family. And, no, i never got the new dog
RIP Pandora, and thanks for the memories.
Rod
This was really cool of you to write. I have kept up with AMT and with all of you but have had to step away because it really does require a thick skin to keep participating in the dialogue around here. I have learned so much from all of you and really enjoy the differing points of view that are here. It makes me sad to hear that Pandora didn't want to see PJ again as that is the very thing that has kept me coming back here week after week to check in on all of you.
I didn't see eye to eye with Pandora and I haven't been around very long but she definitely had an impact upon me. Hell, many of you have had a huge impact upon me whether you know it or not. This place is really awesome and I visit the AMT just as much as the Porch. All of you should know that you influence so many people, in so many different ways, even if you don't know it!
I raise a glass to Pandora and all of the AMT and the awesome PJ fans!
pretty much everyone on here has impacted me in some way. even the people i have never met in person.
for me, the sad thing is that the ban really was hard on her. she was done with pearl jam after that. JB had said that he could not listen to them anymore, and that she did not want to see them again, so why keep the membership?
i swear, those permabans are very tough on the ones who are banned. it is kind of like they are "unforgiven" . i know some people who have been banned for years and have never quite gotten over it. but this isn't about that. that was just one small, minor detail, of her otherwise very happy and full life experience.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
It's all alright; the (your, everyone's) words and thoughts come from a kind and reflective place, I think. An honest place.
Also learned of how difficult the ban was on Pandora via JB awhile back (and also must give a wave to Jeanwah; I'd imagine if she's aware of what's happened, it's hit her as she too is a sensitive and strong soul). As to Pandora, this place, its release, the music, was important to her. Agree with you on the bannings. Maybe it'll make the mods reconsider some things down the road?
It's all alright; the (your, everyone's) words and thoughts come from a kind and reflective place, I think. An honest place.
Also learned of how difficult the ban was on Pandora via JB awhile back (and also must give a wave to Jeanwah; I'd imagine if she's aware of what's happened, it's hit her as she too is a sensitive and strong soul). As to Pandora, this place, its release, the music, was important to her. Agree with you on the bannings. Maybe it'll make the mods reconsider some things down the road?
This fucken lady has a way with words. Well spoken hedonist. Sux not having jeanwah around no doubt. And I think it's def hitting her too. I know Some people are in touch with jeanwah and mite have informed her.
HALTS MAUL! Fucken love this song hedonist! And pandora, I don't really drink much so today at 9:03 I toasted you in a way I only know how, nice, dank, sweet tasting greens.
Most times, when people get banned, I just assume that they go on and live their lives another 30 years or whatever and spend their time doing other more productive things than arguing with a bunch of strangers on the internet. You never, ever, expect them to pass away, or have their time just stop like this. It really makes you think and puts everything into perspective.
Pandora and i have an interesting history. We never really got along on amt. We were polar opposites and we went at it pretty hard on here. It was nothing personal, at least on my end. She was just so "lovey dovey" and for the life of me i could not figure out why. Here i was going through some very tough situations and was basically hating life and everything and everyone in it, and here was this person with an avatar of a smiling Ed that seemed to have all of the happiness in the world. I could not figure it out. I did not think she was real, because nobody could be that positive, and that happy, right?? I tried really hard to figure out where she got her positivity from, and where she got her happiness, and where she got her outlook on life. I really tried to catch her in a moment of contradiction, but she never contradicted herself. She always stuck to her position, even when she was the only one taking that position. She never backed down, and i respected the hell out of her for that. Most times, the rest of us would just bail when a thread was going against us. But not her. We argued a lot on here, and i was a dickhead a lot of the time. I feel really bad about that. After she got banned, i felt even worse about it. Even though her ban happened months after i pretty much started ignoring all of her moving train posts. Her and I got along fine on other forums. She actually gave me feedback on some of my music and some of my writing, and I took it to heart. She was always good about being able to put disagreements aside in order to give honest feedback about whatever you might be creating.
After she got banned, JB reached out to me. He told me that she took the banning really hard, and that she wanted me to know that she did not harbor any anger against me and that she enjoyed our exchanges over the years. I was kind of surprised to hear that. It made me feel good to know that she wanted him to take time out of his day to message me and tell me that. I was able to smooth things out with her through emails and pms to JB. Over the months JB and I got to be fairly regular pen pals. I let them know a lot about me and what was going on in my life, and in a way, they let me into their lives. It was through those messages that I finally understood where Pandora got her happiness. That man loved her with all of his heart. My heart is broken for him and for their family. I am typing this through tears. I can not imagine what they are going through right now. I saw the photos of her, and she looks nothing like I imagined. When i thought of her, i thought of the smiling mid clap photo of Ed.
The last time i heard from JB was about 6 or 8 months ago. Maybe longer. He said that he was going to let his membership lapse, since Pandora did not want to see pearl jam again. It made me sad she felt that way, because pearl jam was a big part of her life for so long. We had email addresses that we could keep in touch. Sadly, I lost touch with him, as I do so often with people on here. I need to try to find his email and drop him a line.
Sorry to ramble. I just needed to put this out there.
JB if you see this, I am really, really sorry for your loss. I am glad that you reached out to me so that Pandi and I could smooth things over. Take care of yourself and your family. And, no, i never got the new dog
RIP Pandora, and thanks for the memories.
Rod
Solid Gimme.
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Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,295
Most times, when people get banned, I just assume that they go on and live their lives another 30 years or whatever and spend their time doing other more productive things than arguing with a bunch of strangers on the internet. You never, ever, expect them to pass away, or have their time just stop like this. It really makes you think and puts everything into perspective.
Pandora and i have an interesting history. We never really got along on amt. We were polar opposites and we went at it pretty hard on here. It was nothing personal, at least on my end. She was just so "lovey dovey" and for the life of me i could not figure out why. Here i was going through some very tough situations and was basically hating life and everything and everyone in it, and here was this person with an avatar of a smiling Ed that seemed to have all of the happiness in the world. I could not figure it out. I did not think she was real, because nobody could be that positive, and that happy, right?? I tried really hard to figure out where she got her positivity from, and where she got her happiness, and where she got her outlook on life. I really tried to catch her in a moment of contradiction, but she never contradicted herself. She always stuck to her position, even when she was the only one taking that position. She never backed down, and i respected the hell out of her for that. Most times, the rest of us would just bail when a thread was going against us. But not her. We argued a lot on here, and i was a dickhead a lot of the time. I feel really bad about that. After she got banned, i felt even worse about it. Even though her ban happened months after i pretty much started ignoring all of her moving train posts. Her and I got along fine on other forums. She actually gave me feedback on some of my music and some of my writing, and I took it to heart. She was always good about being able to put disagreements aside in order to give honest feedback about whatever you might be creating.
After she got banned, JB reached out to me. He told me that she took the banning really hard, and that she wanted me to know that she did not harbor any anger against me and that she enjoyed our exchanges over the years. I was kind of surprised to hear that. It made me feel good to know that she wanted him to take time out of his day to message me and tell me that. I was able to smooth things out with her through emails and pms to JB. Over the months JB and I got to be fairly regular pen pals. I let them know a lot about me and what was going on in my life, and in a way, they let me into their lives. It was through those messages that I finally understood where Pandora got her happiness. That man loved her with all of his heart. My heart is broken for him and for their family. I am typing this through tears. I can not imagine what they are going through right now. I saw the photos of her, and she looks nothing like I imagined. When i thought of her, i thought of the smiling mid clap photo of Ed.
The last time i heard from JB was about 6 or 8 months ago. Maybe longer. He said that he was going to let his membership lapse, since Pandora did not want to see pearl jam again. It made me sad she felt that way, because pearl jam was a big part of her life for so long. We had email addresses that we could keep in touch. Sadly, I lost touch with him, as I do so often with people on here. I need to try to find his email and drop him a line.
Sorry to ramble. I just needed to put this out there.
JB if you see this, I am really, really sorry for your loss. I am glad that you reached out to me so that Pandi and I could smooth things over. Take care of yourself and your family. And, no, i never got the new dog
RIP Pandora, and thanks for the memories.
Rod
I'll be honest with you guys and I'm sure u guys already know. Me and pandora got into it ALL THE TIME. Like back and forth. Would've been cool if I had gotten to smooth things out with her or be able to share a story like this. It's like you say, you never know in life. Hang in there JB, man that's def got to hurt no doubt. Be strong for your family.
Rest in peace Pandora.
Oh man, bb, same here with Pandora and me. On poetry or some of the AET threads we were very friendly. But then then on some of the Train threads we really got into it. And then she was banned and I never took the time to say, "Hey, it's all just opinions about stuff beyond our control so lets put that aside and be cool." It tears me up to think I would let that happen and not make an effort to say something positive and move on and be at least copacetic if not friends. I feel bad about that. All I can do is say, "I'm sorry Pandora" and beat another hard lesson into my thick skull.
Rest in peace Pandora.
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"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
brian, don't be so hard on yourself. you are a good guy. we all know that. she knew that.
things happen sometimes. sometimes good, sometimes awful. nobody knew she was going to die, so nobody knew that they had finite time to try to reach out to her.
it's ok man.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
brianlux I have read many of your posts and you are genuinely a good guy, many people are not as humble as you and never learn, I for my part highly commend you mate..
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I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
When i thought of her, i thought of the smiling mid clap photo of Ed.
RIP Pandora, and thanks for the memories.
Rod
It is not often that I take the time anymore to log on to the computer to post, I usually only post from my phone. But I was unable to sleep at 345am and was on my phone scanning this thread, there is something that I want to say.
These permanent bans need to be reevaluated. I have a lot that I want to say but I'll restrain my words and just say that they alienate fans. This forum format is so poorly designed, give people an ignore feature for crying out loud. It makes zero sense to ban someone when they add so much more than what they post on the AMT sub forum, why not just block their AMT posting abilities? Frankly I am upset because it seems that people are not treated with value, remember the old days? It is different. On a personal note I'm fairly certain the mods don't favor my opinion simply because of my beliefs, they flat out refused to restore my original member number when I'm reading that others received that option. After the comments that a certain band member made about gun owners I really took that to heart, especially since I found myself so absorbed in their efforts on Vote for Change 2004 and now I feel like it was all a waste because their guy does the same stuff and doesn't have a song called Obamaleaguer. It just feels like I have been conned, duped as it is. All of that energy put forth to make a difference and for what? What? I'll tell you for what, for the FANS.
Most of you don't know, and many more won't care but my original member number was #253. Yeah, three digits. So I've been around since the beginning of 10C. I've met many great people at shows, traveled the world for more shows, seen a lot of people come and go, most on their own accord. It stings when people are forced out.
I wasn't part of the email that went out, although I probably was one of the few who did lean towards more of what Pandora was saying, not on everything but at least it did feel like someone sometimes had my back. I have thick skin, but I have little patience. Her persistance helped me see someone who had the ability to sort things out in their head, in better ways than I could. I only realize this now because with the sad news I spent some time going through the poetry forum for the first time. I read some of her poems. She obviously could separate the two forums, and it was easy to see why so many people thought well of her. Admittedly I was not in that crowd that saw the other side (poems), and I feel that I missed out on that, simply because I was, no am, so absorbed in politics. She clearly offered so much more than what was just in AMT.
I remember when I had so much excitement for a new release or seeing a show that I could hardly contain myself, I would tell everyone that I knew. I don't feel that way anymore. Maybe this upcoming show will change that. Maybe it is just life, but I think it is more than that. Maybe I'm wrong in saying this but I request that her ban be removed. It is probably too little, too late, but I would like to see her avatar again, I doubt that I am alone. After all, isn't it supposed to be for the FANS?
I also respectfully request that all other permanent bans be rescinded.
JBii I hope you read all of these really beautiful sentiments folks have for Pandora she was a great woman with great passion for he beliefs , everyone respected her for that great quality she was true to her beliefs ....RIP Pandora PS I totally agree with Unsung about the bannings reinstate them !!!!
When i thought of her, i thought of the smiling mid clap photo of Ed.
RIP Pandora, and thanks for the memories.
Rod
It is not often that I take the time anymore to log on to the computer to post, I usually only post from my phone. But I was unable to sleep at 345am and was on my phone scanning this thread, there is something that I want to say.
These permanent bans need to be reevaluated. I have a lot that I want to say but I'll restrain my words and just say that they alienate fans. This forum format is so poorly designed, give people an ignore feature for crying out loud. It makes zero sense to ban someone when they add so much more than what they post on the AMT sub forum, why not just block their AMT posting abilities? Frankly I am upset because it seems that people are not treated with value, remember the old days? It is different. On a personal note I'm fairly certain the mods don't favor my opinion simply because of my beliefs, they flat out refused to restore my original member number when I'm reading that others received that option. After the comments that a certain band member made about gun owners I really took that to heart, especially since I found myself so absorbed in their efforts on Vote for Change 2004 and now I feel like it was all a waste because their guy does the same stuff and doesn't have a song called Obamaleaguer. It just feels like I have been conned, duped as it is. All of that energy put forth to make a difference and for what? What? I'll tell you for what, for the FANS.
Most of you don't know, and many more won't care but my original member number was #253. Yeah, three digits. So I've been around since the beginning of 10C. I've met many great people at shows, traveled the world for more shows, seen a lot of people come and go, most on their own accord. It stings when people are forced out.
I wasn't part of the email that went out, although I probably was one of the few who did lean towards more of what Pandora was saying, not on everything but at least it did feel like someone sometimes had my back. I have thick skin, but I have little patience. Her persistance helped me see someone who had the ability to sort things out in their head, in better ways than I could. I only realize this now because with the sad news I spent some time going through the poetry forum for the first time. I read some of her poems. She obviously could separate the two forums, and it was easy to see why so many people thought well of her. Admittedly I was not in that crowd that saw the other side (poems), and I feel that I missed out on that, simply because I was, no am, so absorbed in politics. She clearly offered so much more than what was just in AMT.
I remember when I had so much excitement for a new release or seeing a show that I could hardly contain myself, I would tell everyone that I knew. I don't feel that way anymore. Maybe this upcoming show will change that. Maybe it is just life, but I think it is more than that. Maybe I'm wrong in saying this but I request that her ban be removed. It is probably too little, too late, but I would like to see her avatar again, I doubt that I am alone. After all, isn't it supposed to be for the FANS?
I also respectfully request that all other permanent bans be rescinded.
So much for restraining my words, oh well.
I actually agree with a lot of the stuff you post and this one is def one of them. Banning people is so lame these days. It's 2014 and almost 2015, people need to grow some thick skin. Shit, I'm Muslim, imagine how thick my skins got to be these days. It ain't easy but fuck it, makes you tougher.
I wasn't part of the email that went out, although I probably was one of the few who did lean towards more of what Pandora was saying, not on everything but at least it did feel like someone sometimes had my back. I have thick skin, but I have little patience. Her persistance helped me see someone who had the ability to sort things out in their head, in better ways than I could. I only realize this now because with the sad news I spent some time going through the poetry forum for the first time. I read some of her poems. She obviously could separate the two forums, and it was easy to see why so many people thought well of her. Admittedly I was not in that crowd that saw the other side (poems), and I feel that I missed out on that, simply because I was, no am, so absorbed in politics. She clearly offered so much more than what was just in AMT.
You write well, unsung. Don't restrain your words!
I especially like the quoted part, a good take on seeing someone in another, different light. At least you saw (see) that side now.
I'll also say that JB's writing gets me. It's just...pure. I like that.
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Thank you so much gimme and JWPearl for you kind words. Much appreciated.
Unsung, your words here are well written and though out and I think you have presented some excellent ideas. The ignore button is a fine idea and I very much support the idea of Pandora's ban being removed. I also must add that maybe we can all learn something here about being civil with each other. Some of the bans came about because there were responses posted that were personal and offensive. And not just by those who have been banned. I've done it myself and that was failure and I apologize for that. It's so easy to be on a computer, read something that inflames us, get pissed, and write something nasty. If we were to pause a moment, use the preview button and make our word strong but civil, we would all be better off. Maybe this is all about learning how to get alone, to be firm in our convictions yet fair in our response to others, to learn to be open minded and think critically and most of all to be civil with each other. And I think Pandora would have gotten on board with that.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
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Loss of close family is never easy, my thoughts go out to them.
I have to say I hate being reminded that life is so short, time for me to get out and take advantage of today.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
My box turtle shares the same name, and I will always be reminded of her.
Thank you for sharing with us Pandora. We will miss you
( she was fond of using the clapping emoticon)
=D>
May Pandora RIP.
8/08 - Ed solo in DC, 6/09 Ed in B'more,
10/10 - Brad in B'more
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
As some of you here, my 'exchanges' with Pandora were somewhat heated and 'petulant'. Didn't really see eye to eye with her on most things.
But that doesn't stop me from feeling sorrow. Sorrow for JB who lost his soulmate in such an untimely manner. Sorrow for her children who lost their mother. My thoughts are with her family at this very sad time and with all those who loved her.
Most times, when people get banned, I just assume that they go on and live their lives another 30 years or whatever and spend their time doing other more productive things than arguing with a bunch of strangers on the internet. You never, ever, expect them to pass away, or have their time just stop like this. It really makes you think and puts everything into perspective.
Pandora and i have an interesting history. We never really got along on amt. We were polar opposites and we went at it pretty hard on here. It was nothing personal, at least on my end. She was just so "lovey dovey" and for the life of me i could not figure out why. Here i was going through some very tough situations and was basically hating life and everything and everyone in it, and here was this person with an avatar of a smiling Ed that seemed to have all of the happiness in the world. I could not figure it out. I did not think she was real, because nobody could be that positive, and that happy, right?? I tried really hard to figure out where she got her positivity from, and where she got her happiness, and where she got her outlook on life. I really tried to catch her in a moment of contradiction, but she never contradicted herself. She always stuck to her position, even when she was the only one taking that position. She never backed down, and i respected the hell out of her for that. Most times, the rest of us would just bail when a thread was going against us. But not her. We argued a lot on here, and i was a dickhead a lot of the time. I feel really bad about that. After she got banned, i felt even worse about it. Even though her ban happened months after i pretty much started ignoring all of her moving train posts. Her and I got along fine on other forums. She actually gave me feedback on some of my music and some of my writing, and I took it to heart. She was always good about being able to put disagreements aside in order to give honest feedback about whatever you might be creating.
After she got banned, JB reached out to me. He told me that she took the banning really hard, and that she wanted me to know that she did not harbor any anger against me and that she enjoyed our exchanges over the years. I was kind of surprised to hear that. It made me feel good to know that she wanted him to take time out of his day to message me and tell me that. I was able to smooth things out with her through emails and pms to JB. Over the months JB and I got to be fairly regular pen pals. I let them know a lot about me and what was going on in my life, and in a way, they let me into their lives. It was through those messages that I finally understood where Pandora got her happiness. That man loved her with all of his heart. My heart is broken for him and for their family. I am typing this through tears. I can not imagine what they are going through right now. I saw the photos of her, and she looks nothing like I imagined. When i thought of her, i thought of the smiling mid clap photo of Ed.
The last time i heard from JB was about 6 or 8 months ago. Maybe longer. He said that he was going to let his membership lapse, since Pandora did not want to see pearl jam again. It made me sad she felt that way, because pearl jam was a big part of her life for so long. We had email addresses that we could keep in touch. Sadly, I lost touch with him, as I do so often with people on here. I need to try to find his email and drop him a line.
Sorry to ramble. I just needed to put this out there.
JB if you see this, I am really, really sorry for your loss. I am glad that you reached out to me so that Pandi and I could smooth things over. Take care of yourself and your family. And, no, i never got the new dog
RIP Pandora, and thanks for the memories.
Rod
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I've learned to not underestimate the impacts people can have on our lives.
Really nice read, gimme. Rod. Thank you for that.
Rest in peace Pandora.
(and I'm guessing she did too; a common thread of her character throughout all of the testimonials I've read)
This was really cool of you to write. I have kept up with AMT and with all of you but have had to step away because it really does require a thick skin to keep participating in the dialogue around here. I have learned so much from all of you and really enjoy the differing points of view that are here. It makes me sad to hear that Pandora didn't want to see PJ again as that is the very thing that has kept me coming back here week after week to check in on all of you.
I didn't see eye to eye with Pandora and I haven't been around very long but she definitely had an impact upon me. Hell, many of you have had a huge impact upon me whether you know it or not. This place is really awesome and I visit the AMT just as much as the Porch. All of you should know that you influence so many people, in so many different ways, even if you don't know it!
I raise a glass to Pandora and all of the AMT and the awesome PJ fans!
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
i just needed to share that because i know that a lot of people witnessed her and I argue pretty intensely, and it probably looked really bad and reflected poorly on me. i wanted people who went at it with her and did not get the chance to make peace to know that she probably did not hold anything against them. they didn't get a chance to make amends. why i got to, i will never know.
i didn't write the whole thing through tears, just the part about how she took the banning hard, and how he loved her with all of his heart. i was trying to choose the right words, and had all of these memories and emotions i was trying to keep straight.
and yes BB, you can make peace after the fact. i think that might be why they call it "being at peace" with some situation.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
for me, the sad thing is that the ban really was hard on her. she was done with pearl jam after that. JB had said that he could not listen to them anymore, and that she did not want to see them again, so why keep the membership?
i swear, those permabans are very tough on the ones who are banned. it is kind of like they are "unforgiven" . i know some people who have been banned for years and have never quite gotten over it. but this isn't about that. that was just one small, minor detail, of her otherwise very happy and full life experience.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Also learned of how difficult the ban was on Pandora via JB awhile back (and also must give a wave to Jeanwah; I'd imagine if she's aware of what's happened, it's hit her as she too is a sensitive and strong soul). As to Pandora, this place, its release, the music, was important to her. Agree with you on the bannings. Maybe it'll make the mods reconsider some things down the road?
Fucken love this song hedonist! And pandora, I don't really drink much so today at 9:03 I toasted you in a way I only know how, nice, dank, sweet tasting greens.
Rest in peace Pandora.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
things happen sometimes. sometimes good, sometimes awful. nobody knew she was going to die, so nobody knew that they had finite time to try to reach out to her.
it's ok man.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
These permanent bans need to be reevaluated. I have a lot that I want to say but I'll restrain my words and just say that they alienate fans. This forum format is so poorly designed, give people an ignore feature for crying out loud. It makes zero sense to ban someone when they add so much more than what they post on the AMT sub forum, why not just block their AMT posting abilities? Frankly I am upset because it seems that people are not treated with value, remember the old days? It is different. On a personal note I'm fairly certain the mods don't favor my opinion simply because of my beliefs, they flat out refused to restore my original member number when I'm reading that others received that option. After the comments that a certain band member made about gun owners I really took that to heart, especially since I found myself so absorbed in their efforts on Vote for Change 2004 and now I feel like it was all a waste because their guy does the same stuff and doesn't have a song called Obamaleaguer. It just feels like I have been conned, duped as it is. All of that energy put forth to make a difference and for what? What? I'll tell you for what, for the FANS.
Most of you don't know, and many more won't care but my original member number was #253. Yeah, three digits. So I've been around since the beginning of 10C. I've met many great people at shows, traveled the world for more shows, seen a lot of people come and go, most on their own accord. It stings when people are forced out.
I wasn't part of the email that went out, although I probably was one of the few who did lean towards more of what Pandora was saying, not on everything but at least it did feel like someone sometimes had my back. I have thick skin, but I have little patience. Her persistance helped me see someone who had the ability to sort things out in their head, in better ways than I could. I only realize this now because with the sad news I spent some time going through the poetry forum for the first time. I read some of her poems. She obviously could separate the two forums, and it was easy to see why so many people thought well of her. Admittedly I was not in that crowd that saw the other side (poems), and I feel that I missed out on that, simply because I was, no am, so absorbed in politics. She clearly offered so much more than what was just in AMT.
I remember when I had so much excitement for a new release or seeing a show that I could hardly contain myself, I would tell everyone that I knew. I don't feel that way anymore. Maybe this upcoming show will change that. Maybe it is just life, but I think it is more than that. Maybe I'm wrong in saying this but I request that her ban be removed. It is probably too little, too late, but I would like to see her avatar again, I doubt that I am alone. After all, isn't it supposed to be for the FANS?
I also respectfully request that all other permanent bans be rescinded.
So much for restraining my words, oh well.
PS I totally agree with Unsung about the bannings reinstate them !!!!
I especially like the quoted part, a good take on seeing someone in another, different light. At least you saw (see) that side now.
I'll also say that JB's writing gets me. It's just...pure. I like that.
Unsung, your words here are well written and though out and I think you have presented some excellent ideas. The ignore button is a fine idea and I very much support the idea of Pandora's ban being removed. I also must add that maybe we can all learn something here about being civil with each other. Some of the bans came about because there were responses posted that were personal and offensive. And not just by those who have been banned. I've done it myself and that was failure and I apologize for that. It's so easy to be on a computer, read something that inflames us, get pissed, and write something nasty. If we were to pause a moment, use the preview button and make our word strong but civil, we would all be better off. Maybe this is all about learning how to get alone, to be firm in our convictions yet fair in our response to others, to learn to be open minded and think critically and most of all to be civil with each other. And I think Pandora would have gotten on board with that.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"