Imaginary threat

ikiT

I once photographed a wedding where one of the groomsman had a handgun on him all day. I usually only have to worry about cell phones going off.
To me, it was completely unreasonable. To him, completely reasonable.

callen

blueandwhite said:

CM189191 said:

rr165892 said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:

benjs said:

ejleonjr said:

rgambs said:

ejleonjr said:

dignin said:

ejleonjr said:

callen said:

ejleonjr said:

Paranoid or not, you should conceal carry. Better safe than sorry.

No your just putting yourself and those around you at greater risk of being injured by gun. And what a pain in the butt to have to walk around with it.

I respectfully disagree. To carry is really no different physically than carrying your wallet. As far as being in greater risk of being injured by a gun. There is factual legitimacy to that statement but you can also factually say that without concealed carry, you and those around you run a greater risk of being victimized.

You have any data to back up that claim?

Yes refer to your local newspaper, national newspaper, or world news. Anyone who has been robbed or a victim of a crime who did not have a concealed weapon. If you are looking for a specific study with the specific words that are discussed here, I am not searching for that info.

The data that shows a correlation between gun ownership and likelihood of gun victimization is evident in those same newspaper articles. You are only proving the point.

Maybe I am missing something. But thats like saying swimming in water increases the likelihood of drowning, while someone else says that swimming is exercise and increases the likelihood of good health.

I suppose the difference is that your swimming doesn't affect my safety. Your carrying a gun, however, does. And again, there is evidence to that effect that shows a very clear linear relationship between number of guns within a population and number of gun related fatalities within the population.

Ben you can twist this to meet every point of view.If you are victim of a crime at the hands of a knife wielding fuck tard and a good citizen who happens to be carrying a hand gun come comes to your aid by scaring away or confronting the attacker,you could say it has affected your safety but for the better.

Odds. I'll go with odds. No gun less likely to be shot.

Robberies much more likely than simply wanting my stuff. They can have it.

Fuck the stuff Callen,what about someone(rapist) attacking your daughter or wife or mother.What if its 2 perps.I think the big picture is being able to protect you and yours.

What if what if what if

What if you're a moron and shoot your daughter's boyfriend?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/14/charges-unlikely-for-houston-dad-accused-shooting-daughters-boyfriend/

I chose a Fox news link, so don't worry - it's fair and balanced.

I still don't understand how guns actually make people safe when America has a disproportionate level of gun crime compared to similarly developed nations. What's the deal? Isn't this a perfect example of escalation leading to more violence or is there a big picture I'm missing? Does carrying a gun the US actually make SOME safer or does it simply make SOME feel safer? I mean, up here in Canada I'm not worried about being attacked by a random knife (or gun) wielding psychopath and I've never felt a need to carry a gun for safety. If this isn't cultural, why is this so different for SOME Americans?

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Godfather.

CM189191 said:

rr165892 said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:

benjs said:

ejleonjr said:

rgambs said:

ejleonjr said:

dignin said:

ejleonjr said:

callen said:

ejleonjr said:

Paranoid or not, you should conceal carry. Better safe than sorry.

No your just putting yourself and those around you at greater risk of being injured by gun. And what a pain in the butt to have to walk around with it.

I respectfully disagree. To carry is really no different physically than carrying your wallet. As far as being in greater risk of being injured by a gun. There is factual legitimacy to that statement but you can also factually say that without concealed carry, you and those around you run a greater risk of being victimized.

You have any data to back up that claim?

Yes refer to your local newspaper, national newspaper, or world news. Anyone who has been robbed or a victim of a crime who did not have a concealed weapon. If you are looking for a specific study with the specific words that are discussed here, I am not searching for that info.

The data that shows a correlation between gun ownership and likelihood of gun victimization is evident in those same newspaper articles. You are only proving the point.

Maybe I am missing something. But thats like saying swimming in water increases the likelihood of drowning, while someone else says that swimming is exercise and increases the likelihood of good health.

I suppose the difference is that your swimming doesn't affect my safety. Your carrying a gun, however, does. And again, there is evidence to that effect that shows a very clear linear relationship between number of guns within a population and number of gun related fatalities within the population.

Ben you can twist this to meet every point of view.If you are victim of a crime at the hands of a knife wielding fuck tard and a good citizen who happens to be carrying a hand gun come comes to your aid by scaring away or confronting the attacker,you could say it has affected your safety but for the better.

Odds. I'll go with odds. No gun less likely to be shot.

Robberies much more likely than simply wanting my stuff. They can have it.

Fuck the stuff Callen,what about someone(rapist) attacking your daughter or wife or mother.What if its 2 perps.I think the big picture is being able to protect you and yours.

What if what if what if

What if you're a moron and shoot your daughter's boyfriend?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/14/charges-unlikely-for-houston-dad-accused-shooting-daughters-boyfriend/

I chose a Fox news link, so don't worry - it's fair and balanced.

ummmmm fox link..gun owner......your getting sleeeepy sleeepy and when I clap my hands you will awake.......on the dark side )


Godfather.

callen

the tiki bomb said:

I once photographed a wedding where one of the groomsman had a handgun on him all day. I usually only have to worry about cell phones going off.
To me, it was completely unreasonable. To him, completely reasonable.

And he showed it off. Just confirms motivations of SOME gun owners. Idiot.

Godfather.

callen said:

the tiki bomb said:

I once photographed a wedding where one of the groomsman had a handgun on him all day. I usually only have to worry about cell phones going off.
To me, it was completely unreasonable. To him, completely reasonable.

And he showed it off. Just confirms motivations of SOME gun owners. Idiot.

Callen, come on buddy really ? was the money that good that you threw your beliefs to the side and worked in fear all day ?
after all you were the only doing any shooting that day right ? (shooting pictures) :-j

Godfather.

ikiT

He put his jacket on, and I was like "Bro...is that a fucking handgun?"

The smirk on his face is the real problem for me. Deadly force at a wedding is a big joke.

Godfather.

the tiki bomb said:

He put his jacket on, and I like "Bro...is that a fucking handgun?"

The smirk on his face is the real problem for me. Deadly force at a wedding is a big joke.

this whole topic is a big joke, if you can't laugh .......it really no fun.

Godfather.

ikiT

The first thing that crossed my mind when I saw that holster clipped to the back of his rented tuxedo pants? I'm sure this man is a responsible gun owner. What screams "responsible gun owner" more than a dude in his late 20s conceal carrying a loaded handgun at his best friends wedding? What kind of trouble could he possibly be expecting? Will he be consuming alcohol later during the reception? You betcha.

Imaginary Threat? To him? You bet your ass. To me? That gun seemed pretty real. Fear all day? Not when he wasn't around, no.

CM189191

blueandwhite said:

I still don't understand how guns actually make people safe when America has a disproportionate level of gun crime compared to similarly developed nations. What's the deal? Isn't this a perfect example of escalation leading to more violence or is there a big picture I'm missing? Does carrying a gun the US actually make you safer or does it simply make you feel safer? I mean, up here in Canada I'm not worried about being attacked by a random knife (or gun) wielding psychopath and I've never felt a need to carry a gun for safety. If this isn't cultural, why is this so different for Americans?

It's not about being safe. It's about being afraid. We're just so very scared of everything around us. Americans have been told all our lives that we're unique and special and exceptional and the world's police with the highest moral authority.

Sensible immigration policy? Nah, it's easier to be afraid of Mexicans coming to steal our jobs.

Sensible drug policy? Nah, it's easier to villianize minorities and disproportionately throw them in jail.

Sensible foreign policy? Nah, it's more profitable to manufacture bombs and drop them on cultures we don't understand.

Sensible Healthcare? Nah, that would be socialist. Except keep your hands off my Medicare.

We've been told over and over again that the world is out to get us and destroy our freedoms and we need to be so very scared. Carrying a gun caters to primitive needs that values brawn over brains. It's why these people can be reasoned with, they operate at a lower function.

rr165892

It's not about being afraid at all.I can handle myself just fine without a weapon.9 times out of ten I would reach for a phone or my Louisville slugger first,So fear Dosent come into the equation.For me I like to be prepared."Hope for the best, plan for the worst."(As Jack Reacher says).I also think many on here that are very anti-gun have not had real life experience coming face to face with the evil and sick that is all around us.Trust me they are there!
I remember a couple folks on here talking about being victimized in one way or another,so this isn't necessarily directed to those folks,but for the few that think life is all puppy dog ears , pixie dust and It won't happen to me,well don't be so naive and live with your head in the sand.I hope you never have to deal with some of the horrors that live amongst us and that you find out to late that a little prevention could have gone a long way.

i_lov_it

blueandwhite said:

CM189191 said:

rr165892 said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:

benjs said:

ejleonjr said:

rgambs said:

ejleonjr said:

dignin said:

ejleonjr said:

callen said:

ejleonjr said:

Paranoid or not, you should conceal carry. Better safe than sorry.

No your just putting yourself and those around you at greater risk of being injured by gun. And what a pain in the butt to have to walk around with it.

I respectfully disagree. To carry is really no different physically than carrying your wallet. As far as being in greater risk of being injured by a gun. There is factual legitimacy to that statement but you can also factually say that without concealed carry, you and those around you run a greater risk of being victimized.

You have any data to back up that claim?

Yes refer to your local newspaper, national newspaper, or world news. Anyone who has been robbed or a victim of a crime who did not have a concealed weapon. If you are looking for a specific study with the specific words that are discussed here, I am not searching for that info.

The data that shows a correlation between gun ownership and likelihood of gun victimization is evident in those same newspaper articles. You are only proving the point.

Maybe I am missing something. But thats like saying swimming in water increases the likelihood of drowning, while someone else says that swimming is exercise and increases the likelihood of good health.

I suppose the difference is that your swimming doesn't affect my safety. Your carrying a gun, however, does. And again, there is evidence to that effect that shows a very clear linear relationship between number of guns within a population and number of gun related fatalities within the population.

Ben you can twist this to meet every point of view.If you are victim of a crime at the hands of a knife wielding fuck tard and a good citizen who happens to be carrying a hand gun come comes to your aid by scaring away or confronting the attacker,you could say it has affected your safety but for the better.

Odds. I'll go with odds. No gun less likely to be shot.

Robberies much more likely than simply wanting my stuff. They can have it.

Fuck the stuff Callen,what about someone(rapist) attacking your daughter or wife or mother.What if its 2 perps.I think the big picture is being able to protect you and yours.

What if what if what if

What if you're a moron and shoot your daughter's boyfriend?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/14/charges-unlikely-for-houston-dad-accused-shooting-daughters-boyfriend/

I chose a Fox news link, so don't worry - it's fair and balanced.

I still don't understand how guns actually make people safe when America has a disproportionate level of gun crime compared to similarly developed nations. What's the deal? Isn't this a perfect example of escalation leading to more violence or is there a big picture I'm missing? Does carrying a gun the US actually make you safer or does it simply make you feel safer? I mean, up here in Canada I'm not worried about being attacked by a random knife (or gun) wielding psychopath and I've never felt a need to carry a gun for safety. If this isn't cultural, why is this so different for Americans?

Good question I'm going with makes you feel safer...We don't feel the need to carry a gun here in Australia and it feels quite reasonably safe I suppose.

rr165892

i_lov_it said:

blueandwhite said:

CM189191 said:

rr165892 said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:

benjs said:

ejleonjr said:

rgambs said:

ejleonjr said:

dignin said:

ejleonjr said:

callen said:

ejleonjr said:

Paranoid or not, you should conceal carry. Better safe than sorry.

No your just putting yourself and those around you at greater risk of being injured by gun. And what a pain in the butt to have to walk around with it.

I respectfully disagree. To carry is really no different physically than carrying your wallet. As far as being in greater risk of being injured by a gun. There is factual legitimacy to that statement but you can also factually say that without concealed carry, you and those around you run a greater risk of being victimized.

You have any data to back up that claim?

Yes refer to your local newspaper, national newspaper, or world news. Anyone who has been robbed or a victim of a crime who did not have a concealed weapon. If you are looking for a specific study with the specific words that are discussed here, I am not searching for that info.

The data that shows a correlation between gun ownership and likelihood of gun victimization is evident in those same newspaper articles. You are only proving the point.

Maybe I am missing something. But thats like saying swimming in water increases the likelihood of drowning, while someone else says that swimming is exercise and increases the likelihood of good health.

I suppose the difference is that your swimming doesn't affect my safety. Your carrying a gun, however, does. And again, there is evidence to that effect that shows a very clear linear relationship between number of guns within a population and number of gun related fatalities within the population.

Ben you can twist this to meet every point of view.If you are victim of a crime at the hands of a knife wielding fuck tard and a good citizen who happens to be carrying a hand gun come comes to your aid by scaring away or confronting the attacker,you could say it has affected your safety but for the better.

Odds. I'll go with odds. No gun less likely to be shot.

Robberies much more likely than simply wanting my stuff. They can have it.

Fuck the stuff Callen,what about someone(rapist) attacking your daughter or wife or mother.What if its 2 perps.I think the big picture is being able to protect you and yours.

What if what if what if

What if you're a moron and shoot your daughter's boyfriend?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/14/charges-unlikely-for-houston-dad-accused-shooting-daughters-boyfriend/

I chose a Fox news link, so don't worry - it's fair and balanced.

I still don't understand how guns actually make people safe when America has a disproportionate level of gun crime compared to similarly developed nations. What's the deal? Isn't this a perfect example of escalation leading to more violence or is there a big picture I'm missing? Does carrying a gun the US actually make you safer or does it simply make you feel safer? I mean, up here in Canada I'm not worried about being attacked by a random knife (or gun) wielding psychopath and I've never felt a need to carry a gun for safety. If this isn't cultural, why is this so different for Americans?

Good question I'm going with makes you feel safer...We don't feel the need to 'Pack' here in Australia and it feels quite reasonably safe I suppose.

But you guys down under also have a descent policy concerning carrying and gun ownership correct?

rr165892

And why to we have 2threads going that are the exact same subject matter?

JimmyV

rr165892 said:

And why to we have 2threads going that are the exact same subject matter?

I think there are a lot more than just two. :-))

chadwick

rr165892 said:

It's not about being afraid at all.I can handle myself just fine without a weapon.9 times out of ten I would reach for a phone or my Louisville slugger first,So fear Dosent come into the equation.For me I like to be prepared."Hope for the best, plan for the worst."(As Jack Reacher says).I also think many on here that are very anti-gun have not had real life experience coming face to face with the evil and sick that is all around us.Trust me they are there!
I remember a couple folks on here talking about being victimized in one way or another,so this isn't necessarily directed to those folks,but for the few that think life is all puppy dog ears , pixie dust and It won't happen to me,well don't be so naive and live with your head in the sand.I hope you never have to deal with some of the horrors that live amongst us and that you find out to late that a little prevention could have gone a long way.

thank you, sir.

fife

rr165892 said:

It's not about being afraid at all.I can handle myself just fine without a weapon.9 times out of ten I would reach for a phone or my Louisville slugger first,So fear Dosent come into the equation.For me I like to be prepared."Hope for the best, plan for the worst."(As Jack Reacher says).I also think many on here that are very anti-gun have not had real life experience coming face to face with the evil and sick that is all around us.Trust me they are there!
I remember a couple folks on here talking about being victimized in one way or another,so this isn't necessarily directed to those folks,but for the few that think life is all puppy dog ears , pixie dust and It won't happen to me,well don't be so naive and live with your head in the sand.I hope you never have to deal with some of the horrors that live amongst us and that you find out to late that a little prevention could have gone a long way.

I have had guns pull on me at work 7 times. I have deal with people who have killed and really hurt people and to be honest if they really wanted to kill me I would be dead. the reason for that is because they have the element of surprise. you know why gangbangers do drive bys? cause by the time the people being shot at respond, they are already shot. if you have 2 people walking down the street and 1 person is looking to shoot you they have a better chance to kill you before you know what happen.

its not about thinking that life is all puppy dogs ears and pixie dust. its really about thinking do you really believe that a gun will protect you.

I can understand a single person in a home having a gun for protection. but I don't believe that carrying them outside protect as much as people want to believe.

rr165892

fife said:

rr165892 said:

It's not about being afraid at all.I can handle myself just fine without a weapon.9 times out of ten I would reach for a phone or my Louisville slugger first,So fear Dosent come into the equation.For me I like to be prepared."Hope for the best, plan for the worst."(As Jack Reacher says).I also think many on here that are very anti-gun have not had real life experience coming face to face with the evil and sick that is all around us.Trust me they are there!
I remember a couple folks on here talking about being victimized in one way or another,so this isn't necessarily directed to those folks,but for the few that think life is all puppy dog ears , pixie dust and It won't happen to me,well don't be so naive and live with your head in the sand.I hope you never have to deal with some of the horrors that live amongst us and that you find out to late that a little prevention could have gone a long way.

I have had guns pull on me at work 7 times. I have deal with people who have killed and really hurt people and to be honest if they really wanted to kill me I would be dead. the reason for that is because they have the element of surprise. you know why gangbangers do drive bys? cause by the time the people being shot at respond, they are already shot. if you have 2 people walking down the street and 1 person is looking to shoot you they have a better chance to kill you before you know what happen.

its not about thinking that life is all puppy dogs ears and pixie dust. its really about thinking do you really believe that a gun will protect you.

I can understand a single person in a home having a gun for protection. but I don't believe that carrying them outside protect as much as people want to believe.

Damn,Where do you work.I wanna stay away from there.

fife

rr165892 said:

fife said:

rr165892 said:

It's not about being afraid at all.I can handle myself just fine without a weapon.9 times out of ten I would reach for a phone or my Louisville slugger first,So fear Dosent come into the equation.For me I like to be prepared."Hope for the best, plan for the worst."(As Jack Reacher says).I also think many on here that are very anti-gun have not had real life experience coming face to face with the evil and sick that is all around us.Trust me they are there!
I remember a couple folks on here talking about being victimized in one way or another,so this isn't necessarily directed to those folks,but for the few that think life is all puppy dog ears , pixie dust and It won't happen to me,well don't be so naive and live with your head in the sand.I hope you never have to deal with some of the horrors that live amongst us and that you find out to late that a little prevention could have gone a long way.

I have had guns pull on me at work 7 times. I have deal with people who have killed and really hurt people and to be honest if they really wanted to kill me I would be dead. the reason for that is because they have the element of surprise. you know why gangbangers do drive bys? cause by the time the people being shot at respond, they are already shot. if you have 2 people walking down the street and 1 person is looking to shoot you they have a better chance to kill you before you know what happen.

its not about thinking that life is all puppy dogs ears and pixie dust. its really about thinking do you really believe that a gun will protect you.

I can understand a single person in a home having a gun for protection. but I don't believe that carrying them outside protect as much as people want to believe.

Damn,Where do you work.I wanna stay away from there.

is that all you got from my post? I am a social worker. what about the other things i wrote? any comment from that?

rr165892

What more do want?I ve stated previously my thoughts on protecting loved ones and when I personally carry.I don't disagree with you on some of your takes about gangbangers.Chances are if a random person drives by and shoots without prior confrontation most of us would be dead.Thats just stating the obvious,and you agree with me on protecting ones home.So that left me with shit,that sounds like a a rough work enviorment.Nothing more.

rr165892

And yes in certain situations a gun most certainly will protect you.In others it won't make a difference.It just depends on the sequence of events.
If someone is breaking into my house at 2 am then yes my gun will come in most handy.If a random idiot is snipping from a car,no having a hand gun in my bag or car Dosent help.I wouldn't randomly shoot back and risk hitting someone else.See it's the responsibility thing again.