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CM189191

chadwick said:

how about "what a family of idiots might look like" i think is what you should have said

You say potato, I say potato....

chadwick

what 11 yr old boy... first of all goes hunting w/out the dad & or grandpa or dad's marine corp buddy, let alone have his 5 yr brother tagging along? that would not have ever happened in our house, therefore, it never did.

CM189191

chadwick said:

what 11 yr old boy... first of all goes hunting w/out the dad & or grandpa or dad's marine corp buddy, let alone have his 5 yr brother tagging along? that would not have ever happened in our house, therefore, it never did.

I'm sure this would have been common during the mid-to-late 1700's. Why wouldn't you approve of such activities in today's day and age?

chadwick

it takes years to teach & learn gun safety. is the kid mature? does he/she listen to instruction? does the kid have respect for himself, his parents, the game being hunted & so on. the kids of 1700's are 470Xs more skilled & hard working than the kids of the 2000s are. in the 1700s a kid was another two hands with a strong back to help the family unit or be a useless shit & upset the parents.

some kids today could be raised like this. many would rupture like a duck & beg for their play station IV or xbox & expect mom & dad to do it all.

i had a shotgun at 11 but i sure as hell didn't go hunting on my own or sneak out w/ my younger brothers. when i was taken hunting at 11 i sure as shit did not carry a loaded shotgun, the shells were in my pocket. from one fall & winter hunting season to the next fall & winter hunting season thing progressed if i was a good student & i was so taadaa here i am

benjs

chadwick said:

it takes years to teach & learn gun safety. is the kid mature? does he/she listen to instruction? does the kid have respect for himself, his parents, the game being hunted & so on. the kids of 1700's are 470Xs more skilled & hard working than the kids of the 2000s are. in the 1700s a kid was another two hands with a strong back to help the family unit or be a useless shit & upset the parents.

some kids today could be raised like this. many would rupture like a duck & beg for their play station IV or xbox & expect mom & dad to do it all.

i had a shotgun at 11 but i sure as hell didn't go hunting on my own or sneak out w/ my younger brothers. when i was taken hunting at 11 i sure as shit did not carry a loaded shotgun, the shells were in my pocket. from one fall & winter hunting season to the next fall & winter hunting season thing progressed if i was a good student & i was so taadaa here i am

Chadwick, I know you take what you're doing with a gun incredibly seriously, and understand that you can't fuck around with it. Hearing your passion, I can honestly say that if I were out with you and you had a gun on you - I would not feel endangered. That being said, having recognized the modern societal flaws you brought up and knowing that I'm subject to them in my own upbringing, I personally wouldn't trust myself (let alone anyone else) using one. When I started taking driving lessons, my instructor gave me a great rule of thumb: even if you have the utmost confidence in your driving, you have to assume everyone else on the road is an idiot, and often, if you are basing your judgment of a person on their driving skills, you will be right. I apply this to driving and tread with caution only because it's a means to an end (i.e. getting to work, travelling, etc.). With a gun, I don't consider it a necessary evil within society so I couldn't find it within myself endorse the dissemination of them.

CM189191

chadwick said:

it takes years to teach & learn gun safety. is the kid mature? does he/she listen to instruction? does the kid have respect for himself, his parents, the game being hunted & so on. the kids of 1700's are 470Xs more skilled & hard working than the kids of the 2000s are. in the 1700s a kid was another two hands with a strong back to help the family unit or be a useless shit & upset the parents.

some kids today could be raised like this. many would rupture like a duck & beg for their play station IV or xbox & expect mom & dad to do it all.

i had a shotgun at 11 but i sure as hell didn't go hunting on my own or sneak out w/ my younger brothers. when i was taken hunting at 11 i sure as shit did not carry a loaded shotgun, the shells were in my pocket. from one fall & winter hunting season to the next fall & winter hunting season thing progressed if i was a good student & i was so taadaa here i am

So if the social mores about gun use & ownership have changed since the 1700's; why shouldn't the respective laws evolve to keep up with the times?

chadwick

hey i don't have all the answers & i just drank half a 5th ofseagrams 7. ok i lied. i had about 3 or 4 shots in 7up.

alot of people are stupid as shit with a marker or a phone or a tack or a mouse for the computer or a roll of scotch tape or a notepad or a bic lighter or a circular saw. many of these assholes will not ever be safe with a firearm. i would not ever go with them to target practice or hunting. by the way, i don't hunt anymore & haven't in well over 20 years.

but i did start learning (from dad & his dad) how to fish & hunt before i could form entire sentences. did i carry a gun at 4 yrs old? no. i walked along holding dad's hand. did i bait my own hook at the trout stream? probably so.

you want dumb stupid bullshit? get a handfulla rowdy prison guards drunk as shit target shooting out at our house (we lived rural). i went & hid more than once. it was like something at hunter s. thompson's place X's 19 as hunter s. was mild

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKq5wmCz0wM

Godfather.

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it's kind of scary that someone would want to control my gun owneship rights...but then again we have (whats loosely called) a first lady who wants to control the food your children eat at school %-( it's always ticked me off that a person can be given the athority to control different wants or needs of another.

Godfather.

The 3 word of the 2nd Amendment is 'Regulated'. What do you think was meant by that?

The entire reason we have food at school is for national defense. It was instituted because our children were malnourished and underfed. This makes it difficult to maintain and create an effective army. Today you have top military brass coming out and saying they can't find enough good recruits because children are lazy, fat, and out of shape. Makes sense that our school children should have a healthy diet in that context.

Also, the wife of the President is the First Lady. To suggest otherwise is childish and insulting.

childish and insulting to who ? some would say we have not had a president since Bush left office but I'm sure that's not your opinion and I would not want to offend you with my opinion...you know that communism kind of sounds like it borders in meaning to what your are so passionate about in this thread,anyway have a fine day. )

Godfather.

Insulting to you. It makes you look childish.

We've had one president since GWB was 'elected'. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He was even re-elected! I've come to terms with the Supreme Court's mistake re: Bush, you should acknowledge Obama's 2 successful elections. Both of which were determined by a populous of the electoral college and popular vote. Handily I might add.

And no, I'm not advocating Communism. In fact, I consider myself to have a Libertarian streak more than anything else. However, government does have a place in our society. For example, I prefer Keynesian economics to the repeatedly dis-proven 'trickle-down' economics. Government is but one tool among many in our society's toolbox. You have to pick the right tool for the job. You don't use a saw to hammer in a nail.

If you're going to throw around words like 'opinion' and 'communism', you should probably know what they mean before you use them....

You talk about why you should own a gun, get to carry it with you everyday, because it makes you feel safer. But when you're faced with numbers and facts that prove otherwise, all of a sudden it's a matter of 'opinion' or 'differing views'. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is: more guns create more gun deaths. That is not a matter opinion, it's a fact.

I'm sorry for your anger but the fact that people kill each other everyday is no fault of a responsible gun owner...no bullshit really...it's true.
and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree.

Godfather.

I'm not angry.

The fact that people kill each other everyday with guns is the fault of people who own guns.

What a family of responsible gun owners might look like.

"and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree."
This isn't even a sentence, much less a cohesive thought.

I'm at work and trying to hurry......Burnzie is that you ?


Godfather.

benjs

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

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CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

it's kind of scary that someone would want to control my gun owneship rights...but then again we have (whats loosely called) a first lady who wants to control the food your children eat at school %-( it's always ticked me off that a person can be given the athority to control different wants or needs of another.

Godfather.

The 3 word of the 2nd Amendment is 'Regulated'. What do you think was meant by that?

The entire reason we have food at school is for national defense. It was instituted because our children were malnourished and underfed. This makes it difficult to maintain and create an effective army. Today you have top military brass coming out and saying they can't find enough good recruits because children are lazy, fat, and out of shape. Makes sense that our school children should have a healthy diet in that context.

Also, the wife of the President is the First Lady. To suggest otherwise is childish and insulting.

childish and insulting to who ? some would say we have not had a president since Bush left office but I'm sure that's not your opinion and I would not want to offend you with my opinion...you know that communism kind of sounds like it borders in meaning to what your are so passionate about in this thread,anyway have a fine day. )

Godfather.

Insulting to you. It makes you look childish.

We've had one president since GWB was 'elected'. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He was even re-elected! I've come to terms with the Supreme Court's mistake re: Bush, you should acknowledge Obama's 2 successful elections. Both of which were determined by a populous of the electoral college and popular vote. Handily I might add.

And no, I'm not advocating Communism. In fact, I consider myself to have a Libertarian streak more than anything else. However, government does have a place in our society. For example, I prefer Keynesian economics to the repeatedly dis-proven 'trickle-down' economics. Government is but one tool among many in our society's toolbox. You have to pick the right tool for the job. You don't use a saw to hammer in a nail.

If you're going to throw around words like 'opinion' and 'communism', you should probably know what they mean before you use them....

You talk about why you should own a gun, get to carry it with you everyday, because it makes you feel safer. But when you're faced with numbers and facts that prove otherwise, all of a sudden it's a matter of 'opinion' or 'differing views'. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is: more guns create more gun deaths. That is not a matter opinion, it's a fact.

I'm sorry for your anger but the fact that people kill each other everyday is no fault of a responsible gun owner...no bullshit really...it's true.
and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree.

Godfather.

I'm not angry.

The fact that people kill each other everyday with guns is the fault of people who own guns.

What a family of responsible gun owners might look like.

"and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree."
This isn't even a sentence, much less a cohesive thought.

I'm at work and trying to hurry......Burnzie is that you ?


Godfather.

Godfather... I have to agree with CM. Could you try and rewrite that sentence please? I didn't really understand it based on how it was written. Also, it probably would've taken you an equal amount of time to re-write that as to post that you're at work and trying to hurry.

PS, I should add, we all have varying levels of competencies within the English language, and I think we all need to be sensitive to that.

CM189191

chadwick said:

hey i don't have all the answers & i just drank half a 5th ofseagrams 7. ok i lied. i had about 3 or 4 shots in 7up.

alot of people are stupid as shit with a marker or a phone or a tack or a mouse for the computer or a roll of scotch tape or a notepad or a bic lighter or a circular saw. many of these assholes will not ever be safe with a firearm. i would not ever go with them to target practice or hunting. by the way, i don't hunt anymore & haven't in well over 20 years.

but i did start learning (from dad & his dad) how to fish & hunt before i could form entire sentences. did i carry a gun at 4 yrs old? no. i walked along holding dad's hand. did i bait my own hook at the trout stream? probably so.

you want dumb stupid bullshit? get a handfulla rowdy prison guards drunk as shit target shooting out at our house (we lived rural). i went & hid more than once. it was like something at hunter s. thompson's place X's 19 as hunter s. was mild

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKq5wmCz0wM

Ah yes, Hunter S Thompson, another life cut too short by a gun....

CM189191

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

it's kind of scary that someone would want to control my gun owneship rights...but then again we have (whats loosely called) a first lady who wants to control the food your children eat at school %-( it's always ticked me off that a person can be given the athority to control different wants or needs of another.

Godfather.

The 3 word of the 2nd Amendment is 'Regulated'. What do you think was meant by that?

The entire reason we have food at school is for national defense. It was instituted because our children were malnourished and underfed. This makes it difficult to maintain and create an effective army. Today you have top military brass coming out and saying they can't find enough good recruits because children are lazy, fat, and out of shape. Makes sense that our school children should have a healthy diet in that context.

Also, the wife of the President is the First Lady. To suggest otherwise is childish and insulting.

childish and insulting to who ? some would say we have not had a president since Bush left office but I'm sure that's not your opinion and I would not want to offend you with my opinion...you know that communism kind of sounds like it borders in meaning to what your are so passionate about in this thread,anyway have a fine day. )

Godfather.

Insulting to you. It makes you look childish.

We've had one president since GWB was 'elected'. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He was even re-elected! I've come to terms with the Supreme Court's mistake re: Bush, you should acknowledge Obama's 2 successful elections. Both of which were determined by a populous of the electoral college and popular vote. Handily I might add.

And no, I'm not advocating Communism. In fact, I consider myself to have a Libertarian streak more than anything else. However, government does have a place in our society. For example, I prefer Keynesian economics to the repeatedly dis-proven 'trickle-down' economics. Government is but one tool among many in our society's toolbox. You have to pick the right tool for the job. You don't use a saw to hammer in a nail.

If you're going to throw around words like 'opinion' and 'communism', you should probably know what they mean before you use them....

You talk about why you should own a gun, get to carry it with you everyday, because it makes you feel safer. But when you're faced with numbers and facts that prove otherwise, all of a sudden it's a matter of 'opinion' or 'differing views'. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is: more guns create more gun deaths. That is not a matter opinion, it's a fact.

I'm sorry for your anger but the fact that people kill each other everyday is no fault of a responsible gun owner...no bullshit really...it's true.
and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree.

Godfather.

I'm not angry.

The fact that people kill each other everyday with guns is the fault of people who own guns.

What a family of responsible gun owners might look like.

"and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree."
This isn't even a sentence, much less a cohesive thought.

I'm at work and trying to hurry......Burnzie is that you ?


Godfather.

No, it's not...

hedonist

The gun was the means though, no? It'd be like saying Robin Williams' life was cut short by a belt.

CM189191

hedonist said:

The gun was the means though, no? It'd be like saying Robin Williams' life was cut short by a belt.

According to the 2008 National Survey on Drug Use and Health3, in the US there were 8.3m adults who had serious thoughts of committing suicide, and 2.3m who had actually made plans to commit to suicide. Of those, 1.1m actually attempted suicide, but only just over 33,000 succeeded. Which would make the ratio of failure to success 33 to 1.





....I'm going to go out on a limb here and say guns have a higher 'success' rate than belts....

More guns = more gun deaths

CM189191

Damn those clever Harvard liberals!!!

Across states, more guns = more suicide
"people in states with many guns have elevated rates of suicide, particularly firearm suicide"

"States with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm suicide and overall suicide"

"Changes in the levels of household firearm gun ownership was significantly associated with changes in both firearm suicide and overall suicide....There was no relationship between changes in gun ownership and changes in non-firearm suicide"

"case fatality rates ranged from over 90% for firearms to under 5% for drug overdoses, cutting and piercing"

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-ownership-and-use/

hedonist

OK, it's Friday afternoon here after a long week - brain can't deal with charts at the moment!

CM189191 said:

hedonist said:

The gun was the means though, no? It'd be like saying Robin Williams' life was cut short by a belt.

According to the 2008 National Survey on Drug Use and Health3, in the US there were 8.3m adults who had serious thoughts of committing suicide, and 2.3m who had actually made plans to commit to suicide. Of those, 1.1m actually attempted suicide, but only just over 33,000 succeeded. Which would make the ratio of failure to success 33 to 1.





....I'm going to go out on a limb here and say guns have a higher 'success' rate than belts....

More guns = more gun deaths

My point was to not (necessarily, I should add) blame the gun for the suicide. Sure it completes the goal more than any other means - but it's still a means. I'd rather deal with the why's of suicide.

And yes, it'd be stupendous if guns weren't available to those contemplating the route of hurting themselves or others.

callen

unsung said:

This thread is full of big government statists who actually believe that people don't know what's best for themselves and instead they need obama and his wife making food decisions for them. She pushes a diet heavy in grains.

The level of stupidity is increasing here daily.

Any person that spends one minute researching food would know that the govt food pyramid is also pushed by lobbyists, heck the entire food industry is subsidized by the taxpayers.

I'll see you guys in a while, I'm taking a break from here, I can't deal with people who want others to control them.

Agree. Mostly. Government can control too much and the lobbyists aspect is sickening.

Now to say one bad thing in govt makes it all bad isn't true. It is evolving and Americans are getting wiser.

callen

unsung said:

Actually I am perfectly fine. Yesterday I found out my Congressman voted against auditing the Fed and voted for arming rebels in Syria, so the level of stupidity that I am allowed to accept in one day was already used up. Then I log on and find another big government statist forum newbie wallowing in the drool left behind from some other blind big govt acolytes and I figured out I could no longer handle so much stupid in such a short time frame.

Excuse me for a while, I have letters to write to a Congressman and I must retain my senses and illustrate to that fool why his decisions are based in some far off fantasy world.

Admire you for taking a stand and communicating with your representative. More including me should do the same.

chadwick

well i can't really kill myself with a bottle of pencil shavings or collection of dried super glue

callen

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

it's kind of scary that someone would want to control my gun owneship rights...but then again we have (whats loosely called) a first lady who wants to control the food your children eat at school %-( it's always ticked me off that a person can be given the athority to control different wants or needs of another.

Godfather.

The 3 word of the 2nd Amendment is 'Regulated'. What do you think was meant by that?

The entire reason we have food at school is for national defense. It was instituted because our children were malnourished and underfed. This makes it difficult to maintain and create an effective army. Today you have top military brass coming out and saying they can't find enough good recruits because children are lazy, fat, and out of shape. Makes sense that our school children should have a healthy diet in that context.

Also, the wife of the President is the First Lady. To suggest otherwise is childish and insulting.

childish and insulting to who ? some would say we have not had a president since Bush left office but I'm sure that's not your opinion and I would not want to offend you with my opinion...you know that communism kind of sounds like it borders in meaning to what your are so passionate about in this thread,anyway have a fine day. )

Godfather.

Insulting to you. It makes you look childish.

We've had one president since GWB was 'elected'. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He was even re-elected! I've come to terms with the Supreme Court's mistake re: Bush, you should acknowledge Obama's 2 successful elections. Both of which were determined by a populous of the electoral college and popular vote. Handily I might add.

And no, I'm not advocating Communism. In fact, I consider myself to have a Libertarian streak more than anything else. However, government does have a place in our society. For example, I prefer Keynesian economics to the repeatedly dis-proven 'trickle-down' economics. Government is but one tool among many in our society's toolbox. You have to pick the right tool for the job. You don't use a saw to hammer in a nail.

If you're going to throw around words like 'opinion' and 'communism', you should probably know what they mean before you use them....

You talk about why you should own a gun, get to carry it with you everyday, because it makes you feel safer. But when you're faced with numbers and facts that prove otherwise, all of a sudden it's a matter of 'opinion' or 'differing views'. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is: more guns create more gun deaths. That is not a matter opinion, it's a fact.

I'm sorry for your anger but the fact that people kill each other everyday is no fault of a responsible gun owner...no bullshit really...it's true.
and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree.

Godfather.

I'm not angry.

The fact that people kill each other everyday with guns is the fault of people who own guns.

What a family of responsible gun owners might look like.

"and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree."
This isn't even a sentence, much less a cohesive thought.

I'm at work and trying to hurry......Burnzie is that you ?


Godfather.

No, it's not...

Was a compliment.

callen

chadwick said:

well i can't really kill myself with a bottle of pencil shavings or collection of dried super glue

Aren't all bottles of superglue dried up. He'll think I've purchased from store dried up. Ha.