Imaginary threat

benjs

unsung said:

This thread is full of big government statists who actually believe that people don't know what's best for themselves and instead they need obama and his wife making food decisions for them. She pushes a diet heavy in grains.

The level of stupidity is increasing here daily.

Any person that spends one minute researching food would know that the govt food pyramid is also pushed by lobbyists, heck the entire food industry is subsidized by the taxpayers.

I'll see you guys in a while, I'm taking a break from here, I can't deal with people who want others to control them.

I addressed this literally two posts above yours.

CM189191

What an imaginary threat might look like. Score another one for the good guys?

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/shooting-florida-leaves-people-including-children-dead-reports-article-1.1945042

What are Florida's gun laws like? Oh well, at least they have prayer to make things better....

brianlux

Unsung, here's the Merriam Webster definition:

para-noid: adj. of, relating to, or suffering from a mental illness that causes you to falsely believe that people are trying to harm you.

If you really believe someone is trying to harm you, you might be paranoid. If you just think these things might happen to you and you think about that often you are probably just neurotic and obsessed. Don't worry, were all a bit crazy in one way or another. With the world the way it is today, you'd have to be out of your mind to not be a little crazy. My suggestion would be to take more time and relax. All that worry is going to eat up your days and someday you'll look back and think, "Man, all that worry and no one cut off my head after all! What was I thinking!!??"

From the former King of Worry to you, man. Relax!

unsung

Actually I am perfectly fine. Yesterday I found out my Congressman voted against auditing the Fed and voted for arming rebels in Syria, so the level of stupidity that I am allowed to accept in one day was already used up. Then I log on and find another big government statist forum newbie wallowing in the drool left behind from some other blind big govt acolytes and I figured out I could no longer handle so much stupid in such a short time frame.

Excuse me for a while, I have letters to write to a Congressman and I must retain my senses and illustrate to that fool why his decisions are based in some far off fantasy world.

CM189191

unsung said:

Actually I am perfectly fine. Yesterday I found out my Congressman voted against auditing the Fed and voted for arming rebels in Syria, so the level of stupidity that I am allowed to accept in one day was already used up. Then I log on and find another big government statist forum newbie wallowing in the drool left behind from some other blind big govt acolytes and I figured out I could no longer handle so much stupid in such a short time frame.

Excuse me for a while, I have letters to write to a Congressman and I must retain my senses and illustrate to that fool why his decisions are based in some far off fantasy world.

Guns for you = good
Guns for Syrian Rebels = bad?

Given all the crimes that are happening over there, shouldn't we be encouraging the maximum gun ownership?

Bank regulation = good
Gun regulation = bad

Well now I'm really confused....

Gern Blansten

unsung said:

This thread is full of big government statists who actually believe that people don't know what's best for themselves and instead they need obama and his wife making food decisions for them. She pushes a diet heavy in grains.

The level of stupidity is increasing here daily.

Any person that spends one minute researching food would know that the govt food pyramid is also pushed by lobbyists, heck the entire food industry is subsidized by the taxpayers.

I'll see you guys in a while, I'm taking a break from here, I can't deal with people who want others to control them.

LOL...as if you aren't controlled by Ron Paul and the FakeLibertarianBots

Gern Blansten

I was watching part 2 of "The Roosevelts", which is Ken Burns' new documentary on PBS, last night. Teddy Roosevelt was very vocal about how the federal government needed to make sure that the upper class didn't take advantage of the lower class.

Teddy would be a democrat today. The GOP is completely off their rocker.

benjs

unsung, are you referring to CM as the "forum newbie" who joined in 2005 and has 600+ posts? I'm not sure why it's relevant how long you've been sticking around here, as it has no bearing on how much research one has done on his or her own. There is life outside of this community, and I think that how much time people commit to sharing information here is an absurd way to gauge the value of their voices. It's also an unfair assumption to make that because a person has 600 posts on the Pearl Jam forums, it means they're likely hopping on a bandwagon when posing an idea. I don't see the relation whatsoever.

I also don't understand why you have such a bone to pick with government statism - you can be pro-, neutral-, or anti- an idea and even if it doesn't agree with your train of thought. If an idea can be backed up with logic, it shouldn't be written off as "stupidity".

You haven't encountered "stupidity", you have encountered "differing opinions" (which might be lacking logical premises and causalities, but in that case you're welcome to inquire about the origins of opinions before writing them off). I can't think of a situation where that's a bad thing.

chadwick

brianlux said:

Unsung, here's the Merriam Webster definition:

para-noid: adj. of, relating to, or suffering from a mental illness that causes you to falsely believe that people are trying to harm you.

If you really believe someone is trying to harm you, you might be paranoid. If you just think these things might happen to you and you think about that often you are probably just neurotic and obsessed. Don't worry, were all a bit crazy in one way or another. With the world the way it is today, you'd have to be out of your mind to not be a little crazy. My suggestion would be to take more time and relax. All that worry is going to eat up your days and someday you'll look back and think, "Man, all that worry and no one cut off my head after all! What was I thinking!!??"

From the former King of Worry to you, man. Relax!

i don't believe he is paranoid at all & i would bet he is pretty darn relaxed. weren't you just punched in the skull last couple months ago? that very easily could've have been a kniving or a gunshot or a thorough ass beating. it doesn't have to be a gas station in dark hours, your very own home is where it could have took place. that idiot & his idiot friends would actually be safer assaulting you & your family at your castle than at the gas station.

why do people believe the government, cops & the cia are going to save them? horse dick, it's fucking ridiculous to not be the first one to defend yourself & your people. you drove away, that was the best move. what about being shot or stuck, sliced & beat nearly to death or worse?

i hear the forest fire was man made out there. california is a leading state in nutjobs & goofy ass violent bullshit. residence would be doing themselves a favor if they were educated in firearms & this starts at age of birth. as in, do not fuck with guns like they are toys. my brothers & me never had toy guns as not to get confused even for one half a second. guns are not toys.

so you are saying switzerland is full of paranoid nutcases?

Godfather.

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

it's kind of scary that someone would want to control my gun owneship rights...but then again we have (whats loosely called) a first lady who wants to control the food your children eat at school %-( it's always ticked me off that a person can be given the athority to control different wants or needs of another.

Godfather.

The 3 word of the 2nd Amendment is 'Regulated'. What do you think was meant by that?

The entire reason we have food at school is for national defense. It was instituted because our children were malnourished and underfed. This makes it difficult to maintain and create an effective army. Today you have top military brass coming out and saying they can't find enough good recruits because children are lazy, fat, and out of shape. Makes sense that our school children should have a healthy diet in that context.

Also, the wife of the President is the First Lady. To suggest otherwise is childish and insulting.

childish and insulting to who ? some would say we have not had a president since Bush left office but I'm sure that's not your opinion and I would not want to offend you with my opinion...you know that communism kind of sounds like it borders in meaning to what your are so passionate about in this thread,anyway have a fine day. )

Godfather.

CM189191

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

it's kind of scary that someone would want to control my gun owneship rights...but then again we have (whats loosely called) a first lady who wants to control the food your children eat at school %-( it's always ticked me off that a person can be given the athority to control different wants or needs of another.

Godfather.

The 3 word of the 2nd Amendment is 'Regulated'. What do you think was meant by that?

The entire reason we have food at school is for national defense. It was instituted because our children were malnourished and underfed. This makes it difficult to maintain and create an effective army. Today you have top military brass coming out and saying they can't find enough good recruits because children are lazy, fat, and out of shape. Makes sense that our school children should have a healthy diet in that context.

Also, the wife of the President is the First Lady. To suggest otherwise is childish and insulting.

childish and insulting to who ? some would say we have not had a president since Bush left office but I'm sure that's not your opinion and I would not want to offend you with my opinion...you know that communism kind of sounds like it borders in meaning to what your are so passionate about in this thread,anyway have a fine day. )

Godfather.

Insulting to you. It makes you look childish.

We've had one president since GWB was 'elected'. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He was even re-elected! I've come to terms with the Supreme Court's mistake re: Bush, you should acknowledge Obama's 2 successful elections. Both of which were determined by a populous of the electoral college and popular vote. Handily I might add.

And no, I'm not advocating Communism. In fact, I consider myself to have a Libertarian streak more than anything else. However, government does have a place in our society. For example, I prefer Keynesian economics to the repeatedly dis-proven 'trickle-down' economics. Government is but one tool among many in our society's toolbox. You have to pick the right tool for the job. You don't use a saw to hammer in a nail.

If you're going to throw around words like 'opinion' and 'communism', you should probably know what they mean before you use them....

You talk about why you should own a gun, get to carry it with you everyday, because it makes you feel safer. But when you're faced with numbers and facts that prove otherwise, all of a sudden it's a matter of 'opinion' or 'differing views'. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is: more guns create more gun deaths. That is not a matter opinion, it's a fact.

CM189191

Furthermore, Socialism and Communism are not as scary as you've been told. Parliaments around the world have Socialist, Communist, Nationalist representatives and make it part of the conversation. I would argue it functions a hell of a lot better than our 2 party system that seems to be continually diverging with each passing election.

But why take my word for it? The Declining Influence of the United States Constitution The gist: Our founding document is passe. It is less imitated these days, and to the extent it is still an example, the Constitution is more likely to serve as what-not-to-do guide. Meanwhile, the Canadian Constitution is used as a model for the drafting of constitutions around the world. And get this, their people are actually open to amending their Constitution for clarification or to keep up with the changing times! ....gasp....

brianlux

chadwick said:

brianlux said:

Unsung, here's the Merriam Webster definition:

para-noid: adj. of, relating to, or suffering from a mental illness that causes you to falsely believe that people are trying to harm you.

If you really believe someone is trying to harm you, you might be paranoid. If you just think these things might happen to you and you think about that often you are probably just neurotic and obsessed. Don't worry, were all a bit crazy in one way or another. With the world the way it is today, you'd have to be out of your mind to not be a little crazy. My suggestion would be to take more time and relax. All that worry is going to eat up your days and someday you'll look back and think, "Man, all that worry and no one cut off my head after all! What was I thinking!!??"

From the former King of Worry to you, man. Relax!

i don't believe he is paranoid at all & i would bet he is pretty darn relaxed. weren't you just punched in the skull last couple months ago? that very easily could've have been a kniving or a gunshot or a thorough ass beating. it doesn't have to be a gas station in dark hours, your very own home is where it could have took place. that idiot & his idiot friends would actually be safer assaulting you & your family at your castle than at the gas station.

why do people believe the government, cops & the cia are going to save them? horse dick, it's fucking ridiculous to not be the first one to defend yourself & your people. you drove away, that was the best move. what about being shot or stuck, sliced & beat nearly to death or worse?

i hear the forest fire was man made out there. california is a leading state in nutjobs & goofy ass violent bullshit. residence would be doing themselves a favor if they were educated in firearms & this starts at age of birth. as in, do not fuck with guns like they are toys. my brothers & me never had toy guns as not to get confused even for one half a second. guns are not toys.

so you are saying switzerland is full of paranoid nutcases?

Chadwick, I also don't believe Unsung is paranoid, just a bit obsessed with the fear of being attacked, but I don't live in his skin or his neighborhood so even that is not mine to say.

Yes, I was attacked recently and as I have explained a couple of times, I honestly believe had I been carrying and pulled a gun on this guy instead of doing what I did, someone- and not just the attacker but possibly me, my wife or my step-daughter- might have been killed.

You know, I might get sliced and beat nearly to death someday but I'm not going to spend my time worrying about it. Instead, I've learned a few simple lessons like- DUH!- don't gas up on the interstate at midnight on a Saturday night and if you have to and you see a group of young men hanging out at the station, go to another one. In other words, I'm more interested in being vigilant and smart than I am being afraid of the world. The whole fucking world is a terrible dangerous place but if you live like that is paramount rather than live for what is good, then you have allowed the evils of the world to win.

As for him being safer assaulting me at home, I think not. First of all (and I know this is unusual these days) I know my neighbors and we watch out for each other. Secondly, my killer kittie Annie would have made the guy look like he'd been through a shredder. ;-)

Yes, the King fire that is raging on was caused by arson. Very little info on the guy has been put out yet.

benjs

CM189191 said:

Furthermore, Socialism and Communism are not as scary as you've been told. Parliaments around the world have Socialist, Communist, Nationalist representatives and make it part of the conversation. I would argue it functions a hell of a lot better than our 2 party system that seems to be continually diverging with each passing election.

But why take my word for it? The Declining Influence of the United States Constitution The gist: Our founding document is passe. It is less imitated these days, and to the extent it is still an example, the Constitution is more likely to serve as what-not-to-do guide. Meanwhile, the Canadian Constitution is used as a model for the drafting of constitutions around the world. And get this, their people are actually open to amending their Constitution for clarification or to keep up with the changing times! ....gasp....

CM, I loved reading this and your last post. What I never understood about the US Constitution is that amendments (which have historically been both made and repealed) by nature are not absolute (as indicated by their impermanence). On the other hand, the Constitution itself seems to be considered an absolute document by many, and it's seen as "un-American" to question its validity in modern times. To me, it closely mimics some religious folks' insistence of the absolutism of their 'books of law' (be it the Torah, Qur'an, New Testament, etc.), which they largely base their life decisions on. At least with religion, the absolutism can be justified because the documents are "written by deities". With the Constitution, it's irrefutably human-written, and should carry no absolutism with it whatsoever.

Godfather.

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

it's kind of scary that someone would want to control my gun owneship rights...but then again we have (whats loosely called) a first lady who wants to control the food your children eat at school %-( it's always ticked me off that a person can be given the athority to control different wants or needs of another.

Godfather.

The 3 word of the 2nd Amendment is 'Regulated'. What do you think was meant by that?

The entire reason we have food at school is for national defense. It was instituted because our children were malnourished and underfed. This makes it difficult to maintain and create an effective army. Today you have top military brass coming out and saying they can't find enough good recruits because children are lazy, fat, and out of shape. Makes sense that our school children should have a healthy diet in that context.

Also, the wife of the President is the First Lady. To suggest otherwise is childish and insulting.

childish and insulting to who ? some would say we have not had a president since Bush left office but I'm sure that's not your opinion and I would not want to offend you with my opinion...you know that communism kind of sounds like it borders in meaning to what your are so passionate about in this thread,anyway have a fine day. )

Godfather.

Insulting to you. It makes you look childish.

We've had one president since GWB was 'elected'. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He was even re-elected! I've come to terms with the Supreme Court's mistake re: Bush, you should acknowledge Obama's 2 successful elections. Both of which were determined by a populous of the electoral college and popular vote. Handily I might add.

And no, I'm not advocating Communism. In fact, I consider myself to have a Libertarian streak more than anything else. However, government does have a place in our society. For example, I prefer Keynesian economics to the repeatedly dis-proven 'trickle-down' economics. Government is but one tool among many in our society's toolbox. You have to pick the right tool for the job. You don't use a saw to hammer in a nail.

If you're going to throw around words like 'opinion' and 'communism', you should probably know what they mean before you use them....

You talk about why you should own a gun, get to carry it with you everyday, because it makes you feel safer. But when you're faced with numbers and facts that prove otherwise, all of a sudden it's a matter of 'opinion' or 'differing views'. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is: more guns create more gun deaths. That is not a matter opinion, it's a fact.

I'm sorry for your anger but the fact that people kill each other everyday is no fault of a responsible gun owner...no bullshit really...it's true.
and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree.

Godfather.

brianlux

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

it's kind of scary that someone would want to control my gun owneship rights...but then again we have (whats loosely called) a first lady who wants to control the food your children eat at school %-( it's always ticked me off that a person can be given the athority to control different wants or needs of another.

Godfather.

The 3 word of the 2nd Amendment is 'Regulated'. What do you think was meant by that?

The entire reason we have food at school is for national defense. It was instituted because our children were malnourished and underfed. This makes it difficult to maintain and create an effective army. Today you have top military brass coming out and saying they can't find enough good recruits because children are lazy, fat, and out of shape. Makes sense that our school children should have a healthy diet in that context.

Also, the wife of the President is the First Lady. To suggest otherwise is childish and insulting.

childish and insulting to who ? some would say we have not had a president since Bush left office but I'm sure that's not your opinion and I would not want to offend you with my opinion...you know that communism kind of sounds like it borders in meaning to what your are so passionate about in this thread,anyway have a fine day. )

Godfather.

Insulting to you. It makes you look childish.

We've had one president since GWB was 'elected'. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He was even re-elected! I've come to terms with the Supreme Court's mistake re: Bush, you should acknowledge Obama's 2 successful elections. Both of which were determined by a populous of the electoral college and popular vote. Handily I might add.

And no, I'm not advocating Communism. In fact, I consider myself to have a Libertarian streak more than anything else. However, government does have a place in our society. For example, I prefer Keynesian economics to the repeatedly dis-proven 'trickle-down' economics. Government is but one tool among many in our society's toolbox. You have to pick the right tool for the job. You don't use a saw to hammer in a nail.

If you're going to throw around words like 'opinion' and 'communism', you should probably know what they mean before you use them....

You talk about why you should own a gun, get to carry it with you everyday, because it makes you feel safer. But when you're faced with numbers and facts that prove otherwise, all of a sudden it's a matter of 'opinion' or 'differing views'. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is: more guns create more gun deaths. That is not a matter opinion, it's a fact.

I'm sorry for your anger but the fact that people kill each other everyday is no fault of a responsible gun owner...no bullshit really...it's true.
and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree.

Godfather.

There are, indeed, GF, responsible gun owners and yes, they aren't directly responsible for those deaths. How responsible the arming to the teeth of America is might be another question worth considering.

By the way, did you see the Jensen quote I posted earlier:

So it’s wonderfully acceptable, I say, to disagree with me. It’s wonderfully acceptable to disagree with anyone. Just be agreeable, at all times respectful, in the way you disagree. Be full of thought, and thoughtful in your disagreement.

I'm not posting that to criticize- I want that to sink into my own thinking as well!

chadwick

brain,

i was not saying you should pull a gun on a guy because he hits you in your head. i was saying things get much worse than a simple smack to the back of the head & in a hurry. it is your choice. you & whomever else have no right to tell others how to protect themselves & their loved ones or anyone else in a bad situation.

my brothers & i grew up with prison guards (as that is what our father was) & military veterans, a few cops & some very great folks who all were doing difficult jobs. i don't care to wait around for the cia & whoever else is on that list posted above to come & save me & my people from some whackjob.

i currently don't even own a gun but i will get one if i ever wish to have one.

dad's life & his wife's life & his three boys' lives were threatened often & some genius even went for it. every iowa state trooper in all surrounding counties was ON. a handfull of isp stood guard at our house with mom & us three boys. he was just a few miles from getting to us.

w/out the troopers mom would have blew his brain across the walls & carpet if he had came in. so you see it's also what folks do for a living & how they raise their children. our parents never owned a book store. dad came home all the time with his ass beat the hell out of. dad wasn't a jerk off to these folks locked up in prison (well, unless they were child predators & the like). most of them loved the old man. he didn't sell cheese burgers, mix concrete, beat nails into lumber or stock shelves or exam a sick old lady at his clinic or file legal papers & have clients appearing in court.

in our bedrooms us boys had our guns hanging on the wall. we kept our own shells in our own bedrooms... can you imagine such a thing? holy fucking shit!

so i am not freaked out much by responsible conceal carry folks who may need to take action someday

CM189191

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

it's kind of scary that someone would want to control my gun owneship rights...but then again we have (whats loosely called) a first lady who wants to control the food your children eat at school %-( it's always ticked me off that a person can be given the athority to control different wants or needs of another.

Godfather.

The 3 word of the 2nd Amendment is 'Regulated'. What do you think was meant by that?

The entire reason we have food at school is for national defense. It was instituted because our children were malnourished and underfed. This makes it difficult to maintain and create an effective army. Today you have top military brass coming out and saying they can't find enough good recruits because children are lazy, fat, and out of shape. Makes sense that our school children should have a healthy diet in that context.

Also, the wife of the President is the First Lady. To suggest otherwise is childish and insulting.

childish and insulting to who ? some would say we have not had a president since Bush left office but I'm sure that's not your opinion and I would not want to offend you with my opinion...you know that communism kind of sounds like it borders in meaning to what your are so passionate about in this thread,anyway have a fine day. )

Godfather.

Insulting to you. It makes you look childish.

We've had one president since GWB was 'elected'. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He was even re-elected! I've come to terms with the Supreme Court's mistake re: Bush, you should acknowledge Obama's 2 successful elections. Both of which were determined by a populous of the electoral college and popular vote. Handily I might add.

And no, I'm not advocating Communism. In fact, I consider myself to have a Libertarian streak more than anything else. However, government does have a place in our society. For example, I prefer Keynesian economics to the repeatedly dis-proven 'trickle-down' economics. Government is but one tool among many in our society's toolbox. You have to pick the right tool for the job. You don't use a saw to hammer in a nail.

If you're going to throw around words like 'opinion' and 'communism', you should probably know what they mean before you use them....

You talk about why you should own a gun, get to carry it with you everyday, because it makes you feel safer. But when you're faced with numbers and facts that prove otherwise, all of a sudden it's a matter of 'opinion' or 'differing views'. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is: more guns create more gun deaths. That is not a matter opinion, it's a fact.

I'm sorry for your anger but the fact that people kill each other everyday is no fault of a responsible gun owner...no bullshit really...it's true.
and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree.

Godfather.

I'm not angry.

The fact that people kill each other everyday with guns is the fault of people who own guns.

What a family of responsible gun owners might look like.

"and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree."
This isn't even a sentence, much less a cohesive thought.

chadwick

how about "what a family of idiots might look like" i think is what you should have said

chadwick

on the internets i've learned to get over it when people write & make mistakes. it aint a real big fucking deal. we all make mistakes on here, so frickin what.