it's kind of scary that someone would want to control my gun owneship rights...but then again we have (whats loosely called) a first lady who wants to control the food your children eat at school %-( it's always ticked me off that a person can be given the athority to control different wants or needs of another.
Godfather.
The 3 word of the 2nd Amendment is 'Regulated'. What do you think was meant by that?
The entire reason we have food at school is for national defense. It was instituted because our children were malnourished and underfed. This makes it difficult to maintain and create an effective army. Today you have top military brass coming out and saying they can't find enough good recruits because children are lazy, fat, and out of shape. Makes sense that our school children should have a healthy diet in that context.
Also, the wife of the President is the First Lady. To suggest otherwise is childish and insulting.
childish and insulting to who ? some would say we have not had a president since Bush left office but I'm sure that's not your opinion and I would not want to offend you with my opinion...you know that communism kind of sounds like it borders in meaning to what your are so passionate about in this thread,anyway have a fine day. )
Godfather.
Insulting to you. It makes you look childish.
We've had one president since GWB was 'elected'. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He was even re-elected! I've come to terms with the Supreme Court's mistake re: Bush, you should acknowledge Obama's 2 successful elections. Both of which were determined by a populous of the electoral college and popular vote. Handily I might add.
And no, I'm not advocating Communism. In fact, I consider myself to have a Libertarian streak more than anything else. However, government does have a place in our society. For example, I prefer Keynesian economics to the repeatedly dis-proven 'trickle-down' economics. Government is but one tool among many in our society's toolbox. You have to pick the right tool for the job. You don't use a saw to hammer in a nail.
If you're going to throw around words like 'opinion' and 'communism', you should probably know what they mean before you use them....
You talk about why you should own a gun, get to carry it with you everyday, because it makes you feel safer. But when you're faced with numbers and facts that prove otherwise, all of a sudden it's a matter of 'opinion' or 'differing views'. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is: more guns create more gun deaths. That is not a matter opinion, it's a fact.
Furthermore, Socialism and Communism are not as scary as you've been told. Parliaments around the world have Socialist, Communist, Nationalist representatives and make it part of the conversation. I would argue it functions a hell of a lot better than our 2 party system that seems to be continually diverging with each passing election.
But why take my word for it? The Declining Influence of the United States Constitution The gist: Our founding document is passe. It is less imitated these days, and to the extent it is still an example, the Constitution is more likely to serve as what-not-to-do guide. Meanwhile, the Canadian Constitution is used as a model for the drafting of constitutions around the world. And get this, their people are actually open to amending their Constitution for clarification or to keep up with the changing times! ....gasp....
para-noid: adj. of, relating to, or suffering from a mental illness that causes you to falsely believe that people are trying to harm you.
If you really believe someone is trying to harm you, you might be paranoid. If you just think these things might happen to you and you think about that often you are probably just neurotic and obsessed. Don't worry, were all a bit crazy in one way or another. With the world the way it is today, you'd have to be out of your mind to not be a little crazy. My suggestion would be to take more time and relax. All that worry is going to eat up your days and someday you'll look back and think, "Man, all that worry and no one cut off my head after all! What was I thinking!!??"
From the former King of Worry to you, man. Relax!
i don't believe he is paranoid at all & i would bet he is pretty darn relaxed. weren't you just punched in the skull last couple months ago? that very easily could've have been a kniving or a gunshot or a thorough ass beating. it doesn't have to be a gas station in dark hours, your very own home is where it could have took place. that idiot & his idiot friends would actually be safer assaulting you & your family at your castle than at the gas station.
why do people believe the government, cops & the cia are going to save them? horse dick, it's fucking ridiculous to not be the first one to defend yourself & your people. you drove away, that was the best move. what about being shot or stuck, sliced & beat nearly to death or worse?
i hear the forest fire was man made out there. california is a leading state in nutjobs & goofy ass violent bullshit. residence would be doing themselves a favor if they were educated in firearms & this starts at age of birth. as in, do not fuck with guns like they are toys. my brothers & me never had toy guns as not to get confused even for one half a second. guns are not toys.
so you are saying switzerland is full of paranoid nutcases?
Chadwick, I also don't believe Unsung is paranoid, just a bit obsessed with the fear of being attacked, but I don't live in his skin or his neighborhood so even that is not mine to say.
Yes, I was attacked recently and as I have explained a couple of times, I honestly believe had I been carrying and pulled a gun on this guy instead of doing what I did, someone- and not just the attacker but possibly me, my wife or my step-daughter- might have been killed.
You know, I might get sliced and beat nearly to death someday but I'm not going to spend my time worrying about it. Instead, I've learned a few simple lessons like- DUH!- don't gas up on the interstate at midnight on a Saturday night and if you have to and you see a group of young men hanging out at the station, go to another one. In other words, I'm more interested in being vigilant and smart than I am being afraid of the world. The whole fucking world is a terrible dangerous place but if you live like that is paramount rather than live for what is good, then you have allowed the evils of the world to win.
As for him being safer assaulting me at home, I think not. First of all (and I know this is unusual these days) I know my neighbors and we watch out for each other. Secondly, my killer kittie Annie would have made the guy look like he'd been through a shredder. ;-)
Yes, the King fire that is raging on was caused by arson. Very little info on the guy has been put out yet.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Furthermore, Socialism and Communism are not as scary as you've been told. Parliaments around the world have Socialist, Communist, Nationalist representatives and make it part of the conversation. I would argue it functions a hell of a lot better than our 2 party system that seems to be continually diverging with each passing election.
But why take my word for it? The Declining Influence of the United States Constitution The gist: Our founding document is passe. It is less imitated these days, and to the extent it is still an example, the Constitution is more likely to serve as what-not-to-do guide. Meanwhile, the Canadian Constitution is used as a model for the drafting of constitutions around the world. And get this, their people are actually open to amending their Constitution for clarification or to keep up with the changing times! ....gasp....
CM, I loved reading this and your last post. What I never understood about the US Constitution is that amendments (which have historically been both made and repealed) by nature are not absolute (as indicated by their impermanence). On the other hand, the Constitution itself seems to be considered an absolute document by many, and it's seen as "un-American" to question its validity in modern times. To me, it closely mimics some religious folks' insistence of the absolutism of their 'books of law' (be it the Torah, Qur'an, New Testament, etc.), which they largely base their life decisions on. At least with religion, the absolutism can be justified because the documents are "written by deities". With the Constitution, it's irrefutably human-written, and should carry no absolutism with it whatsoever.
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it's kind of scary that someone would want to control my gun owneship rights...but then again we have (whats loosely called) a first lady who wants to control the food your children eat at school %-( it's always ticked me off that a person can be given the athority to control different wants or needs of another.
Godfather.
The 3 word of the 2nd Amendment is 'Regulated'. What do you think was meant by that?
The entire reason we have food at school is for national defense. It was instituted because our children were malnourished and underfed. This makes it difficult to maintain and create an effective army. Today you have top military brass coming out and saying they can't find enough good recruits because children are lazy, fat, and out of shape. Makes sense that our school children should have a healthy diet in that context.
Also, the wife of the President is the First Lady. To suggest otherwise is childish and insulting.
childish and insulting to who ? some would say we have not had a president since Bush left office but I'm sure that's not your opinion and I would not want to offend you with my opinion...you know that communism kind of sounds like it borders in meaning to what your are so passionate about in this thread,anyway have a fine day. )
Godfather.
Insulting to you. It makes you look childish.
We've had one president since GWB was 'elected'. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He was even re-elected! I've come to terms with the Supreme Court's mistake re: Bush, you should acknowledge Obama's 2 successful elections. Both of which were determined by a populous of the electoral college and popular vote. Handily I might add.
And no, I'm not advocating Communism. In fact, I consider myself to have a Libertarian streak more than anything else. However, government does have a place in our society. For example, I prefer Keynesian economics to the repeatedly dis-proven 'trickle-down' economics. Government is but one tool among many in our society's toolbox. You have to pick the right tool for the job. You don't use a saw to hammer in a nail.
If you're going to throw around words like 'opinion' and 'communism', you should probably know what they mean before you use them....
You talk about why you should own a gun, get to carry it with you everyday, because it makes you feel safer. But when you're faced with numbers and facts that prove otherwise, all of a sudden it's a matter of 'opinion' or 'differing views'. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is: more guns create more gun deaths. That is not a matter opinion, it's a fact.
I'm sorry for your anger but the fact that people kill each other everyday is no fault of a responsible gun owner...no bullshit really...it's true. and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree.
it's kind of scary that someone would want to control my gun owneship rights...but then again we have (whats loosely called) a first lady who wants to control the food your children eat at school %-( it's always ticked me off that a person can be given the athority to control different wants or needs of another.
Godfather.
The 3 word of the 2nd Amendment is 'Regulated'. What do you think was meant by that?
The entire reason we have food at school is for national defense. It was instituted because our children were malnourished and underfed. This makes it difficult to maintain and create an effective army. Today you have top military brass coming out and saying they can't find enough good recruits because children are lazy, fat, and out of shape. Makes sense that our school children should have a healthy diet in that context.
Also, the wife of the President is the First Lady. To suggest otherwise is childish and insulting.
childish and insulting to who ? some would say we have not had a president since Bush left office but I'm sure that's not your opinion and I would not want to offend you with my opinion...you know that communism kind of sounds like it borders in meaning to what your are so passionate about in this thread,anyway have a fine day. )
Godfather.
Insulting to you. It makes you look childish.
We've had one president since GWB was 'elected'. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He was even re-elected! I've come to terms with the Supreme Court's mistake re: Bush, you should acknowledge Obama's 2 successful elections. Both of which were determined by a populous of the electoral college and popular vote. Handily I might add.
And no, I'm not advocating Communism. In fact, I consider myself to have a Libertarian streak more than anything else. However, government does have a place in our society. For example, I prefer Keynesian economics to the repeatedly dis-proven 'trickle-down' economics. Government is but one tool among many in our society's toolbox. You have to pick the right tool for the job. You don't use a saw to hammer in a nail.
If you're going to throw around words like 'opinion' and 'communism', you should probably know what they mean before you use them....
You talk about why you should own a gun, get to carry it with you everyday, because it makes you feel safer. But when you're faced with numbers and facts that prove otherwise, all of a sudden it's a matter of 'opinion' or 'differing views'. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is: more guns create more gun deaths. That is not a matter opinion, it's a fact.
I'm sorry for your anger but the fact that people kill each other everyday is no fault of a responsible gun owner...no bullshit really...it's true. and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree.
Godfather.
There are, indeed, GF, responsible gun owners and yes, they aren't directly responsible for those deaths. How responsible the arming to the teeth of America is might be another question worth considering.
By the way, did you see the Jensen quote I posted earlier:
So it’s wonderfully acceptable, I say, to disagree with me. It’s wonderfully acceptable to disagree with anyone. Just be agreeable, at all times respectful, in the way you disagree. Be full of thought, and thoughtful in your disagreement.
I'm not posting that to criticize- I want that to sink into my own thinking as well!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
i was not saying you should pull a gun on a guy because he hits you in your head. i was saying things get much worse than a simple smack to the back of the head & in a hurry. it is your choice. you & whomever else have no right to tell others how to protect themselves & their loved ones or anyone else in a bad situation.
my brothers & i grew up with prison guards (as that is what our father was) & military veterans, a few cops & some very great folks who all were doing difficult jobs. i don't care to wait around for the cia & whoever else is on that list posted above to come & save me & my people from some whackjob.
i currently don't even own a gun but i will get one if i ever wish to have one.
dad's life & his wife's life & his three boys' lives were threatened often & some genius even went for it. every iowa state trooper in all surrounding counties was ON. a handfull of isp stood guard at our house with mom & us three boys. he was just a few miles from getting to us.
w/out the troopers mom would have blew his brain across the walls & carpet if he had came in. so you see it's also what folks do for a living & how they raise their children. our parents never owned a book store. dad came home all the time with his ass beat the hell out of. dad wasn't a jerk off to these folks locked up in prison (well, unless they were child predators & the like). most of them loved the old man. he didn't sell cheese burgers, mix concrete, beat nails into lumber or stock shelves or exam a sick old lady at his clinic or file legal papers & have clients appearing in court.
in our bedrooms us boys had our guns hanging on the wall. we kept our own shells in our own bedrooms... can you imagine such a thing? holy fucking shit!
so i am not freaked out much by responsible conceal carry folks who may need to take action someday
it's kind of scary that someone would want to control my gun owneship rights...but then again we have (whats loosely called) a first lady who wants to control the food your children eat at school %-( it's always ticked me off that a person can be given the athority to control different wants or needs of another.
Godfather.
The 3 word of the 2nd Amendment is 'Regulated'. What do you think was meant by that?
The entire reason we have food at school is for national defense. It was instituted because our children were malnourished and underfed. This makes it difficult to maintain and create an effective army. Today you have top military brass coming out and saying they can't find enough good recruits because children are lazy, fat, and out of shape. Makes sense that our school children should have a healthy diet in that context.
Also, the wife of the President is the First Lady. To suggest otherwise is childish and insulting.
childish and insulting to who ? some would say we have not had a president since Bush left office but I'm sure that's not your opinion and I would not want to offend you with my opinion...you know that communism kind of sounds like it borders in meaning to what your are so passionate about in this thread,anyway have a fine day. )
Godfather.
Insulting to you. It makes you look childish.
We've had one president since GWB was 'elected'. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He was even re-elected! I've come to terms with the Supreme Court's mistake re: Bush, you should acknowledge Obama's 2 successful elections. Both of which were determined by a populous of the electoral college and popular vote. Handily I might add.
And no, I'm not advocating Communism. In fact, I consider myself to have a Libertarian streak more than anything else. However, government does have a place in our society. For example, I prefer Keynesian economics to the repeatedly dis-proven 'trickle-down' economics. Government is but one tool among many in our society's toolbox. You have to pick the right tool for the job. You don't use a saw to hammer in a nail.
If you're going to throw around words like 'opinion' and 'communism', you should probably know what they mean before you use them....
You talk about why you should own a gun, get to carry it with you everyday, because it makes you feel safer. But when you're faced with numbers and facts that prove otherwise, all of a sudden it's a matter of 'opinion' or 'differing views'. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is: more guns create more gun deaths. That is not a matter opinion, it's a fact.
I'm sorry for your anger but the fact that people kill each other everyday is no fault of a responsible gun owner...no bullshit really...it's true. and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree.
Godfather.
I'm not angry.
The fact that people kill each other everyday with guns is the fault of people who own guns.
on the internets i've learned to get over it when people write & make mistakes. it aint a real big fucking deal. we all make mistakes on here, so frickin what.
what 11 yr old boy... first of all goes hunting w/out the dad & or grandpa or dad's marine corp buddy, let alone have his 5 yr brother tagging along? that would not have ever happened in our house, therefore, it never did.
what 11 yr old boy... first of all goes hunting w/out the dad & or grandpa or dad's marine corp buddy, let alone have his 5 yr brother tagging along? that would not have ever happened in our house, therefore, it never did.
I'm sure this would have been common during the mid-to-late 1700's. Why wouldn't you approve of such activities in today's day and age?
it takes years to teach & learn gun safety. is the kid mature? does he/she listen to instruction? does the kid have respect for himself, his parents, the game being hunted & so on. the kids of 1700's are 470Xs more skilled & hard working than the kids of the 2000s are. in the 1700s a kid was another two hands with a strong back to help the family unit or be a useless shit & upset the parents.
some kids today could be raised like this. many would rupture like a duck & beg for their play station IV or xbox & expect mom & dad to do it all.
i had a shotgun at 11 but i sure as hell didn't go hunting on my own or sneak out w/ my younger brothers. when i was taken hunting at 11 i sure as shit did not carry a loaded shotgun, the shells were in my pocket. from one fall & winter hunting season to the next fall & winter hunting season thing progressed if i was a good student & i was so taadaa here i am
it takes years to teach & learn gun safety. is the kid mature? does he/she listen to instruction? does the kid have respect for himself, his parents, the game being hunted & so on. the kids of 1700's are 470Xs more skilled & hard working than the kids of the 2000s are. in the 1700s a kid was another two hands with a strong back to help the family unit or be a useless shit & upset the parents.
some kids today could be raised like this. many would rupture like a duck & beg for their play station IV or xbox & expect mom & dad to do it all.
i had a shotgun at 11 but i sure as hell didn't go hunting on my own or sneak out w/ my younger brothers. when i was taken hunting at 11 i sure as shit did not carry a loaded shotgun, the shells were in my pocket. from one fall & winter hunting season to the next fall & winter hunting season thing progressed if i was a good student & i was so taadaa here i am
Chadwick, I know you take what you're doing with a gun incredibly seriously, and understand that you can't fuck around with it. Hearing your passion, I can honestly say that if I were out with you and you had a gun on you - I would not feel endangered. That being said, having recognized the modern societal flaws you brought up and knowing that I'm subject to them in my own upbringing, I personally wouldn't trust myself (let alone anyone else) using one. When I started taking driving lessons, my instructor gave me a great rule of thumb: even if you have the utmost confidence in your driving, you have to assume everyone else on the road is an idiot, and often, if you are basing your judgment of a person on their driving skills, you will be right. I apply this to driving and tread with caution only because it's a means to an end (i.e. getting to work, travelling, etc.). With a gun, I don't consider it a necessary evil within society so I couldn't find it within myself endorse the dissemination of them.
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it takes years to teach & learn gun safety. is the kid mature? does he/she listen to instruction? does the kid have respect for himself, his parents, the game being hunted & so on. the kids of 1700's are 470Xs more skilled & hard working than the kids of the 2000s are. in the 1700s a kid was another two hands with a strong back to help the family unit or be a useless shit & upset the parents.
some kids today could be raised like this. many would rupture like a duck & beg for their play station IV or xbox & expect mom & dad to do it all.
i had a shotgun at 11 but i sure as hell didn't go hunting on my own or sneak out w/ my younger brothers. when i was taken hunting at 11 i sure as shit did not carry a loaded shotgun, the shells were in my pocket. from one fall & winter hunting season to the next fall & winter hunting season thing progressed if i was a good student & i was so taadaa here i am
So if the social mores about gun use & ownership have changed since the 1700's; why shouldn't the respective laws evolve to keep up with the times?
hey i don't have all the answers & i just drank half a 5th ofseagrams 7. ok i lied. i had about 3 or 4 shots in 7up.
alot of people are stupid as shit with a marker or a phone or a tack or a mouse for the computer or a roll of scotch tape or a notepad or a bic lighter or a circular saw. many of these assholes will not ever be safe with a firearm. i would not ever go with them to target practice or hunting. by the way, i don't hunt anymore & haven't in well over 20 years.
but i did start learning (from dad & his dad) how to fish & hunt before i could form entire sentences. did i carry a gun at 4 yrs old? no. i walked along holding dad's hand. did i bait my own hook at the trout stream? probably so.
you want dumb stupid bullshit? get a handfulla rowdy prison guards drunk as shit target shooting out at our house (we lived rural). i went & hid more than once. it was like something at hunter s. thompson's place X's 19 as hunter s. was mild
it's kind of scary that someone would want to control my gun owneship rights...but then again we have (whats loosely called) a first lady who wants to control the food your children eat at school %-( it's always ticked me off that a person can be given the athority to control different wants or needs of another.
Godfather.
The 3 word of the 2nd Amendment is 'Regulated'. What do you think was meant by that?
The entire reason we have food at school is for national defense. It was instituted because our children were malnourished and underfed. This makes it difficult to maintain and create an effective army. Today you have top military brass coming out and saying they can't find enough good recruits because children are lazy, fat, and out of shape. Makes sense that our school children should have a healthy diet in that context.
Also, the wife of the President is the First Lady. To suggest otherwise is childish and insulting.
childish and insulting to who ? some would say we have not had a president since Bush left office but I'm sure that's not your opinion and I would not want to offend you with my opinion...you know that communism kind of sounds like it borders in meaning to what your are so passionate about in this thread,anyway have a fine day. )
Godfather.
Insulting to you. It makes you look childish.
We've had one president since GWB was 'elected'. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He was even re-elected! I've come to terms with the Supreme Court's mistake re: Bush, you should acknowledge Obama's 2 successful elections. Both of which were determined by a populous of the electoral college and popular vote. Handily I might add.
And no, I'm not advocating Communism. In fact, I consider myself to have a Libertarian streak more than anything else. However, government does have a place in our society. For example, I prefer Keynesian economics to the repeatedly dis-proven 'trickle-down' economics. Government is but one tool among many in our society's toolbox. You have to pick the right tool for the job. You don't use a saw to hammer in a nail.
If you're going to throw around words like 'opinion' and 'communism', you should probably know what they mean before you use them....
You talk about why you should own a gun, get to carry it with you everyday, because it makes you feel safer. But when you're faced with numbers and facts that prove otherwise, all of a sudden it's a matter of 'opinion' or 'differing views'. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is: more guns create more gun deaths. That is not a matter opinion, it's a fact.
I'm sorry for your anger but the fact that people kill each other everyday is no fault of a responsible gun owner...no bullshit really...it's true. and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree.
Godfather.
I'm not angry.
The fact that people kill each other everyday with guns is the fault of people who own guns.
it's kind of scary that someone would want to control my gun owneship rights...but then again we have (whats loosely called) a first lady who wants to control the food your children eat at school %-( it's always ticked me off that a person can be given the athority to control different wants or needs of another.
Godfather.
The 3 word of the 2nd Amendment is 'Regulated'. What do you think was meant by that?
The entire reason we have food at school is for national defense. It was instituted because our children were malnourished and underfed. This makes it difficult to maintain and create an effective army. Today you have top military brass coming out and saying they can't find enough good recruits because children are lazy, fat, and out of shape. Makes sense that our school children should have a healthy diet in that context.
Also, the wife of the President is the First Lady. To suggest otherwise is childish and insulting.
childish and insulting to who ? some would say we have not had a president since Bush left office but I'm sure that's not your opinion and I would not want to offend you with my opinion...you know that communism kind of sounds like it borders in meaning to what your are so passionate about in this thread,anyway have a fine day. )
Godfather.
Insulting to you. It makes you look childish.
We've had one president since GWB was 'elected'. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He was even re-elected! I've come to terms with the Supreme Court's mistake re: Bush, you should acknowledge Obama's 2 successful elections. Both of which were determined by a populous of the electoral college and popular vote. Handily I might add.
And no, I'm not advocating Communism. In fact, I consider myself to have a Libertarian streak more than anything else. However, government does have a place in our society. For example, I prefer Keynesian economics to the repeatedly dis-proven 'trickle-down' economics. Government is but one tool among many in our society's toolbox. You have to pick the right tool for the job. You don't use a saw to hammer in a nail.
If you're going to throw around words like 'opinion' and 'communism', you should probably know what they mean before you use them....
You talk about why you should own a gun, get to carry it with you everyday, because it makes you feel safer. But when you're faced with numbers and facts that prove otherwise, all of a sudden it's a matter of 'opinion' or 'differing views'. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is: more guns create more gun deaths. That is not a matter opinion, it's a fact.
I'm sorry for your anger but the fact that people kill each other everyday is no fault of a responsible gun owner...no bullshit really...it's true. and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree.
Godfather.
I'm not angry.
The fact that people kill each other everyday with guns is the fault of people who own guns.
"and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree." This isn't even a sentence, much less a cohesive thought.
I'm at work and trying to hurry......Burnzie is that you ?
Godfather.
Godfather... I have to agree with CM. Could you try and rewrite that sentence please? I didn't really understand it based on how it was written. Also, it probably would've taken you an equal amount of time to re-write that as to post that you're at work and trying to hurry.
PS, I should add, we all have varying levels of competencies within the English language, and I think we all need to be sensitive to that.
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hey i don't have all the answers & i just drank half a 5th ofseagrams 7. ok i lied. i had about 3 or 4 shots in 7up.
alot of people are stupid as shit with a marker or a phone or a tack or a mouse for the computer or a roll of scotch tape or a notepad or a bic lighter or a circular saw. many of these assholes will not ever be safe with a firearm. i would not ever go with them to target practice or hunting. by the way, i don't hunt anymore & haven't in well over 20 years.
but i did start learning (from dad & his dad) how to fish & hunt before i could form entire sentences. did i carry a gun at 4 yrs old? no. i walked along holding dad's hand. did i bait my own hook at the trout stream? probably so.
you want dumb stupid bullshit? get a handfulla rowdy prison guards drunk as shit target shooting out at our house (we lived rural). i went & hid more than once. it was like something at hunter s. thompson's place X's 19 as hunter s. was mild
it's kind of scary that someone would want to control my gun owneship rights...but then again we have (whats loosely called) a first lady who wants to control the food your children eat at school %-( it's always ticked me off that a person can be given the athority to control different wants or needs of another.
Godfather.
The 3 word of the 2nd Amendment is 'Regulated'. What do you think was meant by that?
The entire reason we have food at school is for national defense. It was instituted because our children were malnourished and underfed. This makes it difficult to maintain and create an effective army. Today you have top military brass coming out and saying they can't find enough good recruits because children are lazy, fat, and out of shape. Makes sense that our school children should have a healthy diet in that context.
Also, the wife of the President is the First Lady. To suggest otherwise is childish and insulting.
childish and insulting to who ? some would say we have not had a president since Bush left office but I'm sure that's not your opinion and I would not want to offend you with my opinion...you know that communism kind of sounds like it borders in meaning to what your are so passionate about in this thread,anyway have a fine day. )
Godfather.
Insulting to you. It makes you look childish.
We've had one president since GWB was 'elected'. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He was even re-elected! I've come to terms with the Supreme Court's mistake re: Bush, you should acknowledge Obama's 2 successful elections. Both of which were determined by a populous of the electoral college and popular vote. Handily I might add.
And no, I'm not advocating Communism. In fact, I consider myself to have a Libertarian streak more than anything else. However, government does have a place in our society. For example, I prefer Keynesian economics to the repeatedly dis-proven 'trickle-down' economics. Government is but one tool among many in our society's toolbox. You have to pick the right tool for the job. You don't use a saw to hammer in a nail.
If you're going to throw around words like 'opinion' and 'communism', you should probably know what they mean before you use them....
You talk about why you should own a gun, get to carry it with you everyday, because it makes you feel safer. But when you're faced with numbers and facts that prove otherwise, all of a sudden it's a matter of 'opinion' or 'differing views'. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is: more guns create more gun deaths. That is not a matter opinion, it's a fact.
I'm sorry for your anger but the fact that people kill each other everyday is no fault of a responsible gun owner...no bullshit really...it's true. and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree.
Godfather.
I'm not angry.
The fact that people kill each other everyday with guns is the fault of people who own guns.
The gun was the means though, no? It'd be like saying Robin Williams' life was cut short by a belt.
According to the 2008 National Survey on Drug Use and Health3, in the US there were 8.3m adults who had serious thoughts of committing suicide, and 2.3m who had actually made plans to commit to suicide. Of those, 1.1m actually attempted suicide, but only just over 33,000 succeeded. Which would make the ratio of failure to success 33 to 1.
....I'm going to go out on a limb here and say guns have a higher 'success' rate than belts....
Across states, more guns = more suicide "people in states with many guns have elevated rates of suicide, particularly firearm suicide"
"States with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm suicide and overall suicide"
"Changes in the levels of household firearm gun ownership was significantly associated with changes in both firearm suicide and overall suicide....There was no relationship between changes in gun ownership and changes in non-firearm suicide"
"case fatality rates ranged from over 90% for firearms to under 5% for drug overdoses, cutting and piercing"
The gun was the means though, no? It'd be like saying Robin Williams' life was cut short by a belt.
According to the 2008 National Survey on Drug Use and Health3, in the US there were 8.3m adults who had serious thoughts of committing suicide, and 2.3m who had actually made plans to commit to suicide. Of those, 1.1m actually attempted suicide, but only just over 33,000 succeeded. Which would make the ratio of failure to success 33 to 1.
....I'm going to go out on a limb here and say guns have a higher 'success' rate than belts....
More guns = more gun deaths
My point was to not (necessarily, I should add) blame the gun for the suicide. Sure it completes the goal more than any other means - but it's still a means. I'd rather deal with the why's of suicide.
And yes, it'd be stupendous if guns weren't available to those contemplating the route of hurting themselves or others.
This thread is full of big government statists who actually believe that people don't know what's best for themselves and instead they need obama and his wife making food decisions for them. She pushes a diet heavy in grains.
The level of stupidity is increasing here daily.
Any person that spends one minute researching food would know that the govt food pyramid is also pushed by lobbyists, heck the entire food industry is subsidized by the taxpayers.
I'll see you guys in a while, I'm taking a break from here, I can't deal with people who want others to control them.
Agree. Mostly. Government can control too much and the lobbyists aspect is sickening.
Now to say one bad thing in govt makes it all bad isn't true. It is evolving and Americans are getting wiser.
Actually I am perfectly fine. Yesterday I found out my Congressman voted against auditing the Fed and voted for arming rebels in Syria, so the level of stupidity that I am allowed to accept in one day was already used up. Then I log on and find another big government statist forum newbie wallowing in the drool left behind from some other blind big govt acolytes and I figured out I could no longer handle so much stupid in such a short time frame.
Excuse me for a while, I have letters to write to a Congressman and I must retain my senses and illustrate to that fool why his decisions are based in some far off fantasy world.
Admire you for taking a stand and communicating with your representative. More including me should do the same.
it's kind of scary that someone would want to control my gun owneship rights...but then again we have (whats loosely called) a first lady who wants to control the food your children eat at school %-( it's always ticked me off that a person can be given the athority to control different wants or needs of another.
Godfather.
The 3 word of the 2nd Amendment is 'Regulated'. What do you think was meant by that?
The entire reason we have food at school is for national defense. It was instituted because our children were malnourished and underfed. This makes it difficult to maintain and create an effective army. Today you have top military brass coming out and saying they can't find enough good recruits because children are lazy, fat, and out of shape. Makes sense that our school children should have a healthy diet in that context.
Also, the wife of the President is the First Lady. To suggest otherwise is childish and insulting.
childish and insulting to who ? some would say we have not had a president since Bush left office but I'm sure that's not your opinion and I would not want to offend you with my opinion...you know that communism kind of sounds like it borders in meaning to what your are so passionate about in this thread,anyway have a fine day. )
Godfather.
Insulting to you. It makes you look childish.
We've had one president since GWB was 'elected'. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He was even re-elected! I've come to terms with the Supreme Court's mistake re: Bush, you should acknowledge Obama's 2 successful elections. Both of which were determined by a populous of the electoral college and popular vote. Handily I might add.
And no, I'm not advocating Communism. In fact, I consider myself to have a Libertarian streak more than anything else. However, government does have a place in our society. For example, I prefer Keynesian economics to the repeatedly dis-proven 'trickle-down' economics. Government is but one tool among many in our society's toolbox. You have to pick the right tool for the job. You don't use a saw to hammer in a nail.
If you're going to throw around words like 'opinion' and 'communism', you should probably know what they mean before you use them....
You talk about why you should own a gun, get to carry it with you everyday, because it makes you feel safer. But when you're faced with numbers and facts that prove otherwise, all of a sudden it's a matter of 'opinion' or 'differing views'. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is: more guns create more gun deaths. That is not a matter opinion, it's a fact.
I'm sorry for your anger but the fact that people kill each other everyday is no fault of a responsible gun owner...no bullshit really...it's true. and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree.
Godfather.
I'm not angry.
The fact that people kill each other everyday with guns is the fault of people who own guns.
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We've had one president since GWB was 'elected'. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He was even re-elected! I've come to terms with the Supreme Court's mistake re: Bush, you should acknowledge Obama's 2 successful elections. Both of which were determined by a populous of the electoral college and popular vote. Handily I might add.
And no, I'm not advocating Communism. In fact, I consider myself to have a Libertarian streak more than anything else. However, government does have a place in our society. For example, I prefer Keynesian economics to the repeatedly dis-proven 'trickle-down' economics. Government is but one tool among many in our society's toolbox. You have to pick the right tool for the job. You don't use a saw to hammer in a nail.
If you're going to throw around words like 'opinion' and 'communism', you should probably know what they mean before you use them....
You talk about why you should own a gun, get to carry it with you everyday, because it makes you feel safer. But when you're faced with numbers and facts that prove otherwise, all of a sudden it's a matter of 'opinion' or 'differing views'. Bullshit. The fact of the matter is: more guns create more gun deaths. That is not a matter opinion, it's a fact.
But why take my word for it? The Declining Influence of the United States Constitution The gist: Our founding document is passe. It is less imitated these days, and to the extent it is still an example, the Constitution is more likely to serve as what-not-to-do guide. Meanwhile, the Canadian Constitution is used as a model for the drafting of constitutions around the world. And get this, their people are actually open to amending their Constitution for clarification or to keep up with the changing times! ....gasp....
Yes, I was attacked recently and as I have explained a couple of times, I honestly believe had I been carrying and pulled a gun on this guy instead of doing what I did, someone- and not just the attacker but possibly me, my wife or my step-daughter- might have been killed.
You know, I might get sliced and beat nearly to death someday but I'm not going to spend my time worrying about it. Instead, I've learned a few simple lessons like- DUH!- don't gas up on the interstate at midnight on a Saturday night and if you have to and you see a group of young men hanging out at the station, go to another one. In other words, I'm more interested in being vigilant and smart than I am being afraid of the world. The whole fucking world is a terrible dangerous place but if you live like that is paramount rather than live for what is good, then you have allowed the evils of the world to win.
As for him being safer assaulting me at home, I think not. First of all (and I know this is unusual these days) I know my neighbors and we watch out for each other. Secondly, my killer kittie Annie would have made the guy look like he'd been through a shredder. ;-)
Yes, the King fire that is raging on was caused by arson. Very little info on the guy has been put out yet.
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree.
Godfather.
By the way, did you see the Jensen quote I posted earlier:
So it’s wonderfully acceptable, I say, to disagree with me. It’s wonderfully acceptable to disagree with anyone. Just be agreeable, at all times respectful, in the way you disagree. Be full of thought, and thoughtful in your disagreement.
I'm not posting that to criticize- I want that to sink into my own thinking as well!
i was not saying you should pull a gun on a guy because he hits you in your head. i was saying things get much worse than a simple smack to the back of the head & in a hurry. it is your choice. you & whomever else have no right to tell others how to protect themselves & their loved ones or anyone else in a bad situation.
my brothers & i grew up with prison guards (as that is what our father was) & military veterans, a few cops & some very great folks who all were doing difficult jobs. i don't care to wait around for the cia & whoever else is on that list posted above to come & save me & my people from some whackjob.
i currently don't even own a gun but i will get one if i ever wish to have one.
dad's life & his wife's life & his three boys' lives were threatened often & some genius even went for it. every iowa state trooper in all surrounding counties was ON. a handfull of isp stood guard at our house with mom & us three boys. he was just a few miles from getting to us.
w/out the troopers mom would have blew his brain across the walls & carpet if he had came in. so you see it's also what folks do for a living & how they raise their children. our parents never owned a book store. dad came home all the time with his ass beat the hell out of. dad wasn't a jerk off to these folks locked up in prison (well, unless they were child predators & the like). most of them loved the old man. he didn't sell cheese burgers, mix concrete, beat nails into lumber or stock shelves or exam a sick old lady at his clinic or file legal papers & have clients appearing in court.
in our bedrooms us boys had our guns hanging on the wall. we kept our own shells in our own bedrooms... can you imagine such a thing? holy fucking shit!
so i am not freaked out much by responsible conceal carry folks who may need to take action someday
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
The fact that people kill each other everyday with guns is the fault of people who own guns.
What a family of responsible gun owners might look like.
"and if your going throw around your opinion maybe you should the reason I would disagree."
This isn't even a sentence, much less a cohesive thought.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
some kids today could be raised like this. many would rupture like a duck & beg for their play station IV or xbox & expect mom & dad to do it all.
i had a shotgun at 11 but i sure as hell didn't go hunting on my own or sneak out w/ my younger brothers. when i was taken hunting at 11 i sure as shit did not carry a loaded shotgun, the shells were in my pocket. from one fall & winter hunting season to the next fall & winter hunting season thing progressed if i was a good student & i was so taadaa here i am
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
alot of people are stupid as shit with a marker or a phone or a tack or a mouse for the computer or a roll of scotch tape or a notepad or a bic lighter or a circular saw. many of these assholes will not ever be safe with a firearm. i would not ever go with them to target practice or hunting. by the way, i don't hunt anymore & haven't in well over 20 years.
but i did start learning (from dad & his dad) how to fish & hunt before i could form entire sentences. did i carry a gun at 4 yrs old? no. i walked along holding dad's hand. did i bait my own hook at the trout stream? probably so.
you want dumb stupid bullshit? get a handfulla rowdy prison guards drunk as shit target shooting out at our house (we lived rural). i went & hid more than once. it was like something at hunter s. thompson's place X's 19 as hunter s. was mild
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Godfather.
PS, I should add, we all have varying levels of competencies within the English language, and I think we all need to be sensitive to that.
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
....I'm going to go out on a limb here and say guns have a higher 'success' rate than belts....
More guns = more gun deaths
Across states, more guns = more suicide
"people in states with many guns have elevated rates of suicide, particularly firearm suicide"
"States with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm suicide and overall suicide"
"Changes in the levels of household firearm gun ownership was significantly associated with changes in both firearm suicide and overall suicide....There was no relationship between changes in gun ownership and changes in non-firearm suicide"
"case fatality rates ranged from over 90% for firearms to under 5% for drug overdoses, cutting and piercing"
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-ownership-and-use/
And yes, it'd be stupendous if guns weren't available to those contemplating the route of hurting themselves or others.
Now to say one bad thing in govt makes it all bad isn't true. It is evolving and Americans are getting wiser.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce