Fast Food Workers Protesting.

backseatLover12

Arguing whether fast food workers should get better pay, while their corporate owners dodge millions in taxes by buying small companies other countries.

Priceless.

EdsonNascimento

backseatLover12 said:

Arguing whether fast food workers should get better pay, while their corporate owners dodge millions in taxes by buying small companies other countries.

Priceless.

Completely specious argument. Again, if you want all the profits to go to the workers, that's fine. But, the current workers may find themselves without jobs. As for dodging taxes - a COMPLETELY separate, but worthy topic having nothing to do with wage scales.

rgambs

Jason P said:

rgambs said:

Jason P said:

rgambs said:

Jason P said:

Half of the people at the plant I'm working at would quit to go work at Burger King if they got $15 / hr.

I have a feeling that most protesting workers would find themselves to be unqualified if pay was raised to $15 / hr.

That's just not true. They wouldn't leave a union shop and lose their health benefits, or a non-union shop that is full time either. Fast food joints don't hire many, if any, full time employees, because they aren't providing health insurance. That predates Obamacare.

I don't work at a union plant. Although the pay is good and the benifit package is great, people would certainly be looking for part-time burger flipping jobs for $15/hr. Easy money.

There aren't many people getting second jobs in addition to factory work nowadays. If you aren't on forced 12's yet, count your blessings and get yourself prepared, it is the new standard in manufacturing, coming soon to a factory near you. I have done fast food, and I have done a few different factory jobs, easy money it is not. Hot, sweaty, stinky, disrespected, sound familiar? Awful similar to a factory job, plus the added benefit of dealing with a public who seems to think of you as nearly subhuman. This board shows the contempt, lazy assholes can't cook for themselves but want to feel superior to their "burger flipper" or "fry guy"

12's give you 182 days off per year versus 91 days off for working traditional 8 hr shifts for the same hours worked. Some see a benefit it that extra free time. Some don't and prefer a traditional week, but I'm not feeling sorry for someone that gets twice as many days off then I do.

no offense, but where do you work, i want to come get a piece. In ohio when someone says 12's it's understood they mean 6 or 7 days a week.

STAYSEA

This makes me so heated. I feel like Jack Donaghy from 30 rock
I will inset a random Jack quote...
"I saw it Lemon. My whole life passing before my eyes. Neil Patterson pitching me the rotating microwave tray. Me personally coining the phrase "what's the upside." Participating in hands across America. And all the time I've been on this earth I have only one regret: I should have worked more. "

I often find myself a conservative liberal.
I work for minimum wage. I tell myself I'm going to finish college one day....

8-|
I would love to be paid more. I would love health benefits .
Sick days? Paid time off? Vacation time? These concepts seem incredible.
A majority of the people I work with have at least 2 jobs if they can not get a full time position at this "minimum wage" job, to make ends meet.
A full time minimum wage job is so scare.....

Hell Yes I would be loved to be paid more.
Am I willing to sacrifice the cost of living increasing as well??

Eh? Perhaps not.
I rather not have a huge raise than have the price of gasoline and food skyrocket.

If they raise they "minimum" wage to 15$ I will likely have to get a 3rd job to afford the inflated prices of essentials.

But just as Unsung said ... We have minimum minds. minimum skills.
Sadly we are not all so smart. What do I know

rgambs

STAYSEA said:

This makes me so heated. I feel like Jack Donaghy from 30 rock
I will inset a random Jack quote...
"I saw it Lemon. My whole life passing before my eyes. Neil Patterson pitching me the rotating microwave tray. Me personally coining the phrase "what's the upside." Participating in hands across America. And all the time I've been on this earth I have only one regret: I should have worked more. "

I often find myself a conservative liberal.
I work for minimum wage. I tell myself I'm going to finish college one day....

8-|
I would love to be paid more. I would love health benefits .
Sick days? Paid time off? Vacation time? These concepts seem incredible.
A majority of the people I work with have at least 2 jobs if they can not get a full time position at this "minimum wage" job, to make ends meet.
A full time minimum wage job is so scare.....

Hell Yes I would be loved to be paid more.
Am I willing to sacrifice the cost of living increasing as well??

Eh? Perhaps not.
I rather not have a huge raise than have the price of gasoline and food skyrocket.

If they raise they "minimum" wage to 15$ I will likely have to get a 3rd job to afford the inflated prices of essentials.

But just as Unsung said ... We have minimum minds. minimum skills.
Sadly we are not all so smart. What do I know

gas, and most food prices arent that closely tied to minimum wage. Prices go up on their own, wage hikes are always behind. If somebody thinks they can find some evidence of cost of living increases tied to wage raises, please do. I have never seen such data, and considering it's the big claim before wage raises i think it's absence after raises is pretty telling.

Jason P

rgambs said:

Jason P said:

rgambs said:

Jason P said:

rgambs said:

Jason P said:

Half of the people at the plant I'm working at would quit to go work at Burger King if they got $15 / hr.

I have a feeling that most protesting workers would find themselves to be unqualified if pay was raised to $15 / hr.

That's just not true. They wouldn't leave a union shop and lose their health benefits, or a non-union shop that is full time either. Fast food joints don't hire many, if any, full time employees, because they aren't providing health insurance. That predates Obamacare.

I don't work at a union plant. Although the pay is good and the benifit package is great, people would certainly be looking for part-time burger flipping jobs for $15/hr. Easy money.

There aren't many people getting second jobs in addition to factory work nowadays. If you aren't on forced 12's yet, count your blessings and get yourself prepared, it is the new standard in manufacturing, coming soon to a factory near you. I have done fast food, and I have done a few different factory jobs, easy money it is not. Hot, sweaty, stinky, disrespected, sound familiar? Awful similar to a factory job, plus the added benefit of dealing with a public who seems to think of you as nearly subhuman. This board shows the contempt, lazy assholes can't cook for themselves but want to feel superior to their "burger flipper" or "fry guy"

12's give you 182 days off per year versus 91 days off for working traditional 8 hr shifts for the same hours worked. Some see a benefit it that extra free time. Some don't and prefer a traditional week, but I'm not feeling sorry for someone that gets twice as many days off then I do.

no offense, but where do you work, i want to come get a piece. In ohio when someone says 12's it's understood they mean 6 or 7 days a week.

Indiana. They rotate 3 on / 4 off and 4 on / 3 off. The only bad part is they rotate between day and night shift every other week. Daylight savings time switch screws me up for a month so I'm not sure I could handle that schedule.

Suprising to see that 12s means 6 to 7 days a week. That is a ton of O.T. for a company to pay out. Doesn't make sense if you are trying to generate profit.

rgambs

nope it sure doesnt. Production actually plummets, but the theory is that the health care savings makes it worthwhile... I dont think its working. Frackers work 16's 6 or 7 a week. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

callen

STAYSEA said:

This makes me so heated. I feel like Jack Donaghy from 30 rock
I will inset a random Jack quote...
"I saw it Lemon. My whole life passing before my eyes. Neil Patterson pitching me the rotating microwave tray. Me personally coining the phrase "what's the upside." Participating in hands across America. And all the time I've been on this earth I have only one regret: I should have worked more. "

I often find myself a conservative liberal.
I work for minimum wage. I tell myself I'm going to finish college one day....

8-|
I would love to be paid more. I would love health benefits .
Sick days? Paid time off? Vacation time? These concepts seem incredible.
A majority of the people I work with have at least 2 jobs if they can not get a full time position at this "minimum wage" job, to make ends meet.
A full time minimum wage job is so scare.....

Hell Yes I would be loved to be paid more.
Am I willing to sacrifice the cost of living increasing as well??

Eh? Perhaps not.
I rather not have a huge raise than have the price of gasoline and food skyrocket.

If they raise they "minimum" wage to 15$ I will likely have to get a 3rd job to afford the inflated prices of essentials.

But just as Unsung said ... We have minimum minds. minimum skills.
Sadly we are not all so smart. What do I know

If you were paid more it would drastically out weight inflation for goods and services. Everyone including those that make more than minimum absorb the cost. Those that get increase get it all. AND THOSE Fkn people in oil industry all make more than 15 so no impact. Yeah a Big Mac may go up a dollar and know how tasty they are. Yum yum.

Gern Blansten

The minimum wage definitely needs an overhaul...maybe not $15 but I've seen the $10.10/hour amount thrown around and that seems reasonable as a start.

I can't believe so many on the right oppose this. They don't want people on welfare yet they don't want people to make a living wage. If a married couple can make $40K/year working minimum wage (at $10.10/hour) I think that makes a lot of sense. That would take a ton of people off of welfare and have the corporations pay rather than the taxpayers. The corporations are able to skirt paying corporate taxes but they can't avoid paying their employees.

Gern Blansten

STAYSEA said:

This makes me so heated. I feel like Jack Donaghy from 30 rock
I will inset a random Jack quote...
"I saw it Lemon. My whole life passing before my eyes. Neil Patterson pitching me the rotating microwave tray. Me personally coining the phrase "what's the upside." Participating in hands across America. And all the time I've been on this earth I have only one regret: I should have worked more. "

I often find myself a conservative liberal.
I work for minimum wage. I tell myself I'm going to finish college one day....

8-|
I would love to be paid more. I would love health benefits .
Sick days? Paid time off? Vacation time? These concepts seem incredible.
A majority of the people I work with have at least 2 jobs if they can not get a full time position at this "minimum wage" job, to make ends meet.
A full time minimum wage job is so scare.....

Hell Yes I would be loved to be paid more.
Am I willing to sacrifice the cost of living increasing as well??

Eh? Perhaps not.
I rather not have a huge raise than have the price of gasoline and food skyrocket.

If they raise they "minimum" wage to 15$ I will likely have to get a 3rd job to afford the inflated prices of essentials.

But just as Unsung said ... We have minimum minds. minimum skills.
Sadly we are not all so smart. What do I know

Prices are based on the market....not what employees are being paid. If McDonald's would try to raise prices to offset their additional wage costs then competition will ramp up to steal away customers. I'm sure Burger King would be glad to make a smaller profit margin to steal McDonald's sales. Unless there is price fixing prices would be fine.

unsung

STAYSEA said:

This makes me so heated. I feel like Jack Donaghy from 30 rock
I will inset a random Jack quote...
"I saw it Lemon. My whole life passing before my eyes. Neil Patterson pitching me the rotating microwave tray. Me personally coining the phrase "what's the upside." Participating in hands across America. And all the time I've been on this earth I have only one regret: I should have worked more. "

I often find myself a conservative liberal.
I work for minimum wage. I tell myself I'm going to finish college one day....

8-|
I would love to be paid more. I would love health benefits .
Sick days? Paid time off? Vacation time? These concepts seem incredible.
A majority of the people I work with have at least 2 jobs if they can not get a full time position at this "minimum wage" job, to make ends meet.
A full time minimum wage job is so scare.....

Hell Yes I would be loved to be paid more.
Am I willing to sacrifice the cost of living increasing as well??

Eh? Perhaps not.
I rather not have a huge raise than have the price of gasoline and food skyrocket.

If they raise they "minimum" wage to 15$ I will likely have to get a 3rd job to afford the inflated prices of essentials.

But just as Unsung said ... We have minimum minds. minimum skills.
Sadly we are not all so smart. What do I know

I never said anything about minimum minds. Don't put that on me.

jeffbr

Why are the protesters and the advocates for an increase in minimum wage focused on $15/hr? If the goal is to provide people with a comfortable, living wage why not $30/hr? That would take a lot of pressure off, and allow people to not only cover basic bills, but go out and spend that money wouldn't it? This is something I've never understood. If we're just picking an hourly rate, devoid of business considerations, why be so limiting?

callen

Gern Blansten said:

STAYSEA said:

This makes me so heated. I feel like Jack Donaghy from 30 rock
I will inset a random Jack quote...
"I saw it Lemon. My whole life passing before my eyes. Neil Patterson pitching me the rotating microwave tray. Me personally coining the phrase "what's the upside." Participating in hands across America. And all the time I've been on this earth I have only one regret: I should have worked more. "

I often find myself a conservative liberal.
I work for minimum wage. I tell myself I'm going to finish college one day....

8-|
I would love to be paid more. I would love health benefits .
Sick days? Paid time off? Vacation time? These concepts seem incredible.
A majority of the people I work with have at least 2 jobs if they can not get a full time position at this "minimum wage" job, to make ends meet.
A full time minimum wage job is so scare.....

Hell Yes I would be loved to be paid more.
Am I willing to sacrifice the cost of living increasing as well??

Eh? Perhaps not.
I rather not have a huge raise than have the price of gasoline and food skyrocket.

If they raise they "minimum" wage to 15$ I will likely have to get a 3rd job to afford the inflated prices of essentials.

But just as Unsung said ... We have minimum minds. minimum skills.
Sadly we are not all so smart. What do I know

Prices are based on the market....not what employees are being paid. If McDonald's would try to raise prices to offset their additional wage costs then competition will ramp up to steal away customers. I'm sure Burger King would be glad to make a smaller profit margin to steal McDonald's sales. Unless there is price fixing prices would be fine.

And the price of labor will go up for them all. So thinking they'll pretty much match each other's current offer. Would balance out. Now question is how much? Sooo what percentage of total costs is labor? And

mickeyrat

unsung said:

cp3iverson said:

Honest question. If someone makes $9 an hour cooking fries at Wendys and more skilled office work is paying $13 an hour what happens if minimum wage gets bumped to 15? I think everyone that was making more than the fast food people but making less than 15 still wants to make more than the guy cooking fries.

Just like the college educated teacher making 20 an hour somewhere doesnt want to barely make more than the 16 year old fry cook that they teach Algebra to. Or the office worker who got bumped to 17 an hour. And so on and so on. And if everyone gets raises down the line what gets solved?

Beats me. This is why i usually go through life ignoring politics. LOL

What about a Private in the Army that would make less than a burger flipper?

with a uniform allowance, on base housing paid for, medical care paid for, chow at the mess hall paid for. And still their pay lags behind everyones. Was true when I served in 88-90 as it is now.

So please tell me your point in this?

rgambs

jeffbr said:

Why are the protesters and the advocates for an increase in minimum wage focused on $15/hr? If the goal is to provide people with a comfortable, living wage why not $30/hr? That would take a lot of pressure off, and allow people to not only cover basic bills, but go out and spend that money wouldn't it? This is something I've never understood. If we're just picking an hourly rate, devoid of business considerations, why be so limiting?

Because we/they aren't devoid of business considerations.

unsung

jeffbr said:

Why are the protesters and the advocates for an increase in minimum wage focused on $15/hr? If the goal is to provide people with a comfortable, living wage why not $30/hr? That would take a lot of pressure off, and allow people to not only cover basic bills, but go out and spend that money wouldn't it? This is something I've never understood. If we're just picking an hourly rate, devoid of business considerations, why be so limiting?

I said $100.

unsung

mickeyrat said:

unsung said:

cp3iverson said:

Honest question. If someone makes $9 an hour cooking fries at Wendys and more skilled office work is paying $13 an hour what happens if minimum wage gets bumped to 15? I think everyone that was making more than the fast food people but making less than 15 still wants to make more than the guy cooking fries.

Just like the college educated teacher making 20 an hour somewhere doesnt want to barely make more than the 16 year old fry cook that they teach Algebra to. Or the office worker who got bumped to 17 an hour. And so on and so on. And if everyone gets raises down the line what gets solved?

Beats me. This is why i usually go through life ignoring politics. LOL

What about a Private in the Army that would make less than a burger flipper?

with a uniform allowance, on base housing paid for, medical care paid for, chow at the mess hall paid for. And still their pay lags behind everyones. Was true when I served in 88-90 as it is now.

So please tell me your point in this?

It's odd how everything needs to be spelled out for people to understand.

I feel it would be a travesty that a burger flipper would make more than a soldier.

Does that clear it up?

gimmesometruth27

minimum wage- translation... "i would pay you less, but i can't".

rgambs

http://www.alternet.org/story/150685/if_walmart_paid_its_1.4_million_u.s._workers_a_living_wage,_it_would_result_in_almost_no_pain_for_the_average_customer

rgambs

http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2014/02/11/raising-the-minimum-wage-would-be-good-for-wal-mart-and-america/