Fast Food Workers Protesting.

lukin2006

chadwick said:

what do the ceos of mcdonalds, burger king, wendy's, taco bell, taco john's & jack in the box make per year, this includes their over inflated fat ass bonuses? how fucking difficult can it be to be a ceo of half assed burger town?

i have zero training in a office cubical, i have zero training wearing a frumpy suit or goofy fucking slippery looking black florsheims, it's all been charted & crafter out through the years. a one armed gorilla or myself could be ceo of mcdonalds by bullshitting everyone & having everyone under us do the work they're already doing.

the one armed gorilla or myself would require 19 million a year salary plus insane bonuses paid quarterly

I agree 100%...

If you've ever watched an episode of undercover boss ... many of those ceo's struggle to do menial task (not my word ... but the choice of some on this board}, that says it all to me, pretty sure many of those same could work in those office pushing paper from one side of the desk to the other, surfing pearl jam message boards, checking Facebook, Instagram or whatever web site .. fact is many of these folks in lower paid jobs work for the whole shift at whatever ever task they are assigned to do. They work hard for their meagre wages ...

rgambs

lukin2006 said:

chadwick said:

what do the ceos of mcdonalds, burger king, wendy's, taco bell, taco john's & jack in the box make per year, this includes their over inflated fat ass bonuses? how fucking difficult can it be to be a ceo of half assed burger town?

i have zero training in a office cubical, i have zero training wearing a frumpy suit or goofy fucking slippery looking black florsheims, it's all been charted & crafter out through the years. a one armed gorilla or myself could be ceo of mcdonalds by bullshitting everyone & having everyone under us do the work they're already doing.

the one armed gorilla or myself would require 19 million a year salary plus insane bonuses paid quarterly

I agree 100%...

If you've ever watched an episode of undercover boss ... many of those ceo's struggle to do menial task (not my word ... but the choice of some on this board}, that says it all to me, pretty sure many of those same could work in those office pushing paper from one side of the desk to the other, surfing pearl jam message boards, checking Facebook, Instagram or whatever web site .. fact is many of these folks in lower paid jobs work for the whole shift at whatever ever task they are assigned to do. They work hard for their meagre wages ...

And as I said earlier, the capital vs labor debate is old as dirt. Neither can exist without the other, so there has to be a balance. Not an equality necessarily, that doesn't make sense, but a balance, and that balance has been shifting dangerously... Hence the government sold from under us and the financial collapses.

chadwick

lukin2006, thank you & thank you

"Twenty years ago, when Johnson first started at McDonald's, the CEO's compensation was about 230 times that of a full-time worker paid the federal minimum wage. The $8.75 million that Thompson's predecessor as CEO, Skinner, made last year was 580 times, according to data compiled by Bloomberg."

so in 20 years a ceo's salary at mcdonald's has rose 350 times from 230 to 580 times that of a full-time worker paid minimum wage.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-12/mcdonald-s-8-25-man-and-8-75-million-ceo-shows-pay-gap.html

"Johnson would need about a million hours of work -- or more than a century on the clock -- to earn the $8.75 million that McDonald’s, based in the Chicago suburb of Oak Brook, paid then-CEO Jim Skinner last year."

so 100 years on the clock to make what the ceo made in one

nicely done, greedyburgerclown

unsung

So like I said, pay the fry guy $100/hr. Then that CEO gap shrinks.

rgambs

unsung said:

So like I said, pay the fry guy $100/hr. Then that CEO gap shrinks.

Way to go adding lucid points to the debate! We all use reductio ad absurdum from time to time, it's hard not to, but is that your go to move?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

Why stop there? Let's pay them $100/hr.

Okay fine. Let's pay them $2/hr.

Here's a novel concept: instead of minimum wages... how about a maximum wage? Does anybody really need a private island? Establish tiers where CEOs and the various levels of management still make very attractive salaries, but the lowest tiers earn enough to have some money that could offer them a better life than minimum wage work, bus passes, and television.

That being said... imagine if we did increase the purchasing power of everyone in N. America. Think of the consumption patterns now and compare our current reality to what would happen with more equally distributed wealth.

unsung

Ah, the ol' who really needs xxxx ploy.

unsung

rgambs said:

unsung said:

So like I said, pay the fry guy $100/hr. Then that CEO gap shrinks.

Way to go adding lucid points to the debate! We all use reductio ad absurdum from time to time, it's hard not to, but is that your go to move?

No more outrageous than paying a fry guy $15/hr.

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Why stop there? Let's pay them $100/hr.

Okay fine. Let's pay them $2/hr.

Here's a novel concept: instead of minimum wages... how about a maximum wage? Does anybody really need a private island? Establish tiers where CEOs and the various levels of management still make very attractive salaries, but the lowest tiers earn enough to have some money that could offer them a better life than minimum wage work, bus passes, and television.

That being said... imagine if we did increase the purchasing power of everyone in N. America. Think of the consumption patterns now and compare our current reality to what would happen with more equally distributed wealth.

But see at $2/hr that company would fold because nobody would work for them. This is the game that gets played when government gets in the way and fixes wages.


The companies laugh all the way to the bank because they are by law meeting their obligation.

Now eliminate mandatory wages and the market will work because the people can hold out. By fixing a minimum wage the employee loses negotiation power.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

That hasn't worked so well in other countries that are de-regulated. You do know this right?

blueandwhite

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Why stop there? Let's pay them $100/hr.

Okay fine. Let's pay them $2/hr.

Here's a novel concept: instead of minimum wages... how about a maximum wage? Does anybody really need a private island? Establish tiers where CEOs and the various levels of management still make very attractive salaries, but the lowest tiers earn enough to have some money that could offer them a better life than minimum wage work, bus passes, and television.

That being said... imagine if we did increase the purchasing power of everyone in N. America. Think of the consumption patterns now and compare our current reality to what would happen with more equally distributed wealth.

But see at $2/hr that company would fold because nobody would work for them. This is the game that gets played when government gets in the way and fixes wages.


The companies laugh all the way to the bank because they are by law meeting their obligation.

Now eliminate mandatory wages and the market will work because the people can hold out. By fixing a minimum wage the employee loses negotiation power.

Why do you say that? If you lower the minimum wage, you can bet that many major businesses would collude to bring wages down across the board. The minimum wage exists to protect the more marginalized members of our society from unscrupulous employers that could care less about their employees. Scrap it and you can bet that wages for unskilled workers will drop like a stone.

We know that many workers in the third world will work for less, so it's not unreasonable to assume that workers in America would do the same. I know that you are strongly opposed to government regulation of almost any kind, but do you really think things are better in India or Bangladesh where millions of people work for abysmal wages and agree to work in an unsafe work environment because there are no other options available to them? Just because governments are corrupt, bloated and inefficient doesn't mean that private enterprises are any better.

rgambs

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Why stop there? Let's pay them $100/hr.

Okay fine. Let's pay them $2/hr.

Here's a novel concept: instead of minimum wages... how about a maximum wage? Does anybody really need a private island? Establish tiers where CEOs and the various levels of management still make very attractive salaries, but the lowest tiers earn enough to have some money that could offer them a better life than minimum wage work, bus passes, and television.

That being said... imagine if we did increase the purchasing power of everyone in N. America. Think of the consumption patterns now and compare our current reality to what would happen with more equally distributed wealth.

But see at $2/hr that company would fold because nobody would work for them. This is the game that gets played when government gets in the way and fixes wages.


The companies laugh all the way to the bank because they are by law meeting their obligation.

Now eliminate mandatory wages and the market will work because the people can hold out. By fixing a minimum wage the employee loses negotiation power.

This directly contradicts the past in this country and the present in third world countries. You should really study up on turn of the century economics. This market baloney is a fiction created by Friedman, it has never been successfully employed.

PJPOWER

From what I've seen, when businesses start getting their profits dug into, they find ways of minimizing that profit loss. That includes layoffs, inflated costs of product, stores closing or getting a "bigger bang for the buck" when hiring? Why should McDonalds not start hiring chefs with college degrees instead of unskilled labor with no education if they are having to pay what what people fresh out of college often earn? I guess it would create a liberal's dream of an even more massive lower class needing to survive off the government's tit, voting for whoever promises the most welfare checks. The only reason most fast food places even exist is because of being able to offer cheap food. Lose the cheap food, no one will eat there and the company fails, again causing mass layoffs...0$ per hour, who pays for that? On the other hand, maybe in some places the cost of living warrants $15 per hour, but not all across the country. I definitely do not believe it should be raised on a federal level.

lukin2006

a little dated ...
Costco's Profit Soars To $537 Million Just Days After CEO Endorses Minimum Wage Increase
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/12/costco-profit_n_2859250.html

Indifference71

Aren't there always going to be jobs that pay the minimum wage? Like it has been mentioned in this thread, there aren't a whole lot of skills that go into working at a fast food joint. To me, $15/hr for taking drive-thru orders and flipping burgers seems high.

And the whole "I can't support my family on minimum wage" argument is a bit much for me. Maybe you shouldn't be starting a family when you're only making minimum wage. Seems pretty irresponsible.

brianlux

Regarding the argument about "minimum skills": True, not a lot of education or fine manual dexterity is involved in that kind of work but sheer brute stamina generally is. I worked as a short order cook for a few weeks once and a) hated the work and b) knew that running at that pace all day was not for me. It's damn hard work. Besides, if people can't throw a salad or a sandwich together for themselves and want to eat fast-food crap that increases diabetes and heart disease and raises the cost of health care, then maybe we should pay more for that kind of food and pay higher wages to the workers as well.

So here's my plan: Pay these workers $15 to $20 an hour for their hard work and make the meals more expensive so that a) fewer people will eat this crap and b) have the companies use some of that money for higher job training for the employees.

lukin2006

It doesn't necessarily take a ton of skill to do manufacturing jobs, but most of those jobs are well paying jobs and the only real difference is most of those jobs are unionized.

lukin2006

chadwick said:

lukin2006, thank you & thank you

"Twenty years ago, when Johnson first started at McDonald's, the CEO's compensation was about 230 times that of a full-time worker paid the federal minimum wage. The $8.75 million that Thompson's predecessor as CEO, Skinner, made last year was 580 times, according to data compiled by Bloomberg."

so in 20 years a ceo's salary at mcdonald's has rose 350 times from 230 to 580 times that of a full-time worker paid minimum wage.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-12/mcdonald-s-8-25-man-and-8-75-million-ceo-shows-pay-gap.html

"Johnson would need about a million hours of work -- or more than a century on the clock -- to earn the $8.75 million that McDonald’s, based in the Chicago suburb of Oak Brook, paid then-CEO Jim Skinner last year."

so 100 years on the clock to make what the ceo made in one

nicely done, greedyburgerclown

The CEO's can live with a lot less ... it's just greed.

dignin

I have no problem with these workers making more money and I wish them luck.

rgambs

lukin2006 said:

It doesn't necessarily take a ton of skill to do manufacturing jobs, but most of those jobs are well paying jobs and the only real difference is most of those jobs are unionized.

Correct. 15$/hr is pretty standard to line-tend in most factories, unskilled labor at it's finest.