Hmmm...well, at least I got to take the discussion to a meaningful place...I just wish I could have worked in a Ted Nugent reference somewhere.
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Well, if you want to discuss the duality of the Nuge as both a creator and a destroyer, that'd be interesting. Great White Buffalo, now there's an amazing musical creation.
The dinner table, there's some destruction.
Llamas anyone?
The point here was about the evolution of YIELD songs...were the later songs spurred on by the sound and lyrics of Brain of J and MFC, which debuted on the road in 95 and 96?
The consensus was, to an extent, but not entirely since Mike and Jeff and Stone were all writing riffs outside on their own and then brought them in for Ed's lyrics. So, there's a nice balance in that too.
The point here was about the evolution of YIELD songs...were the later songs spurred on by the sound and lyrics of Brain of J and MFC, which debuted on the road in 95 and 96?
The consensus was, to an extent, but not entirely since Mike and Jeff and Stone were all writing riffs outside on their own and then brought them in for Ed's lyrics. So, there's a nice balance in that too.
I'm basing this on 100% "talking out my ass", but I would think that those early songs were a foundation....and like any polished product...they were finely tuned "over some course of time..."
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
I'm basing this on 100% "talking out my ass", but I would think that those early songs were a foundation....and like any polished product...they were finely tuned "over some course of time..."
PBM
i could agree with this, but for the sake of courtly discourse, I shall disagree. all things are contextual, so without the album making process, the other songs, SVT, and the formative period after No Code I cannot see the songs having the same relevance. also, it begs the question on which songs are central to YIELD. My opinion is that G2F and Wishlist make the album more than BoJ and MFC. In another context, those songs could be vastly different.
Minneapolis 6-30-98 had 9 songs if you include Leatherman.
Brain of J
Faithfull
Pilate
MFC
Wishlist
All Those Yesterdays
Do the Evolution
Given to Fly
Leatherman
Atlanta 9-1-98 had quite a few as well
Given to Fly
Do the Evolution
Wishlist
In Hiding
MFC
Brain of J
No Way
ATY as a tag to Daughter
Thanks a lot for that info.A show with 9 and another with 8,and neither had Lowlight........makes me feel slightly more privaleged than I did before!Especially allowing I have only been to 3 shows!
'All the rusted signs,we ignore throughout our lives,
Choosing the shiny ones instead'
They should bust out No Way and All Those Yesterdays at Lollapalooza. Not only are they great songs, but a showcase of the awesome songwriter that Stone is. And not only that, they haven't been played in an uber-long time! Especially No Way.
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They should bust out No Way and All Those Yesterdays at Lollapalooza. Not only are they great songs, but a showcase of the awesome songwriter that Stone is. And not only that, they haven't been played in an uber-long time! Especially No Way.
i could agree with this, but for the sake of courtly discourse, I shall disagree. all things are contextual, so without the album making process, the other songs, SVT, and the formative period after No Code I cannot see the songs having the same relevance. also, it begs the question on which songs are central to YIELD. My opinion is that G2F and Wishlist make the album more than BoJ and MFC. In another context, those songs could be vastly different.
i agree with this. according the philosophy that the group here has subscribed to, wishlist and gtf (even more so..faithfull) are way more integral to the whole theme/message than BoJ and MCF. but let us not pit songs against one another.
ultimately i think ed (maybe the others?) saw the yield in those 2 latter songs which is why they too are on the album.
i could agree with this, but for the sake of courtly discourse, I shall disagree. all things are contextual, so without the album making process, the other songs, SVT, and the formative period after No Code I cannot see the songs having the same relevance. also, it begs the question on which songs are central to YIELD. My opinion is that G2F and Wishlist make the album more than BoJ and MFC. In another context, those songs could be vastly different.
BOJ and DTE are one in the same...big God Damn warning signs. I think the seed was planted early...the theme may have evolved from what they originally started from...but it was there.
In essence, it's like making lasagna (sorry for the lazy reference...I'm not clicking on all cyclinders yet)...there are layers that keep being added on...more ingredients that add to the flavor.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
yes, Binaural is far more interesting than yield. oh fuck, my bad - wrong thread
Athens, Greece: 2006/09/30
"Call me Ishmael. Some years ago- never mind how long precisely- having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world." Herman Melville : Moby Dick
yes, Binaural is far more interesting than yield. oh fuck, my bad - wrong thread
Binaural was like a rebound girlfriend for a long time...I listened to her...told her she was pretty, but I really wanted to be with YIELD.
I have since pulled a Scott Baio and apologized to her.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
dude, you don't have to marry the first girl you make love to. now open up your eyes and do the right thing
Athens, Greece: 2006/09/30
"Call me Ishmael. Some years ago- never mind how long precisely- having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world." Herman Melville : Moby Dick
dude, you don't have to marry the first girl you make love to. now open up your eyes and do the right thing
If I did that, I would be in a thread talking about Ten.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
don't forget to give your re-bound girlfriend a call once in a while though
Athens, Greece: 2006/09/30
"Call me Ishmael. Some years ago- never mind how long precisely- having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world." Herman Melville : Moby Dick
"Call me Ishmael. Some years ago- never mind how long precisely- having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world." Herman Melville : Moby Dick
I have been hearing about this thread, but never got around to reading it. I am excited to see the wisdom of this thread that I have heard so much about. I just have to ask, before I can ever really get into my full appreciation mode, how can anyone realistically say Yield is better than Ten? I don't know how to get past that.
Things change. They wont change unless you make them. The best way to change something you don't like, is to change yourself. So if you feel like you have a piece of duct tape on your mouth and you can't escape, take it off, speak up, speak your mind, shout it out, let 'em hear ya! -EV
i knew sanity would prevail some time or another.
the house (ten) always fucking wins. it is a mathematical fact
Athens, Greece: 2006/09/30
"Call me Ishmael. Some years ago- never mind how long precisely- having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world." Herman Melville : Moby Dick
I have been hearing about this thread, but never got around to reading it. I am excited to see the wisdom of this thread that I have heard so much about. I just have to ask, before I can ever really get into my full appreciation mode, how can anyone realistically say Yield is better than Ten? I don't know how to get past that.
very interesting.
just last week I listened to ten and I was totally blown away. it was like I'd never heard it before. if you break the album down, song by song, it is just simply astounding that songs as powerful as Alive and Black are on a debut album. so in that respect, there is something about ten that will never be seen on any other album.
as for the "big deal" about yield, it seems that the people on this thread (and lots of fans, really) seem to identify/gravitate toward the message of the album and how it is delivered through the music. how accidentally deliberate it all is. maybe.
as for the "big deal" about yield, it seems that the people on this thread (and lots of fans, really) seem to identify/gravitate toward the message of the album and how it is delivered through the music. how accidentally deliberate it all is. maybe.
Yeah, and to answer the previous question about Ten being better...
I think, speaking on behalf of the people that post here, YIELD means a little more to us because of everything else that surrounds it. The things that were going on in our life at the time, when we've listened to it, why we've listened to it, all these things factor in to it.
We're not trying to push YIELD on everyone or say it's better, all we're trying to do is discuss it to find out more about it, thusly finding out more about ourselves.
If you can do that with Ten, that's great, please do. I think that's half the point of the message board. If you'd like to join us and do so with YIELD, post away.
It's all state of mind, so I don't think it's fair to characteristically assume one album is better than any other. The album is meaningless without the listener.
i agree with this. according the philosophy that the group here has subscribed to, wishlist and gtf (even more so..faithfull) are way more integral to the whole theme/message than BoJ and MCF. but let us not pit songs against one another.
ultimately i think ed (maybe the others?) saw the yield in those 2 latter songs which is why they too are on the album.
true, I do not mean to polarize. kind thanks, madame.
hey dude, don't make fun of the rebound. she'll tear your nuts off. fierce fucker that one
Athens, Greece: 2006/09/30
"Call me Ishmael. Some years ago- never mind how long precisely- having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world." Herman Melville : Moby Dick
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The dinner table, there's some destruction.
Llamas anyone?
The point here was about the evolution of YIELD songs...were the later songs spurred on by the sound and lyrics of Brain of J and MFC, which debuted on the road in 95 and 96?
The consensus was, to an extent, but not entirely since Mike and Jeff and Stone were all writing riffs outside on their own and then brought them in for Ed's lyrics. So, there's a nice balance in that too.
I'm basing this on 100% "talking out my ass", but I would think that those early songs were a foundation....and like any polished product...they were finely tuned "over some course of time..."
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
you have alot to learn about posting. alot to learn about YIELD as well.
welcome, distant sun.
also- nugent's eating/hunting practices are very YIELD. discuss.
love to all-
S-A-A
i could agree with this, but for the sake of courtly discourse, I shall disagree. all things are contextual, so without the album making process, the other songs, SVT, and the formative period after No Code I cannot see the songs having the same relevance. also, it begs the question on which songs are central to YIELD. My opinion is that G2F and Wishlist make the album more than BoJ and MFC. In another context, those songs could be vastly different.
Thanks a lot for that info.A show with 9 and another with 8,and neither had Lowlight........makes me feel slightly more privaleged than I did before!Especially allowing I have only been to 3 shows!
Choosing the shiny ones instead'
Reading 06 - Torino 06 - Wembley 07
2004 Boston I
2006 Boston I
2008 Bonnaroo, Hartford, Mansfield I
2010 Hartford
2013 Worcester I, Worcester II, Hartford
2016 Bonnaroo, Boston I, Boston II
2018 Boston I, Boston II
2021 Sea.Hear.Now
2022 Camden
2024 Boston I, Boston II
Granted our past failures with said campaign and the current "green" movement, maybe we should just send them e-cards.
i agree with this. according the philosophy that the group here has subscribed to, wishlist and gtf (even more so..faithfull) are way more integral to the whole theme/message than BoJ and MCF. but let us not pit songs against one another.
ultimately i think ed (maybe the others?) saw the yield in those 2 latter songs which is why they too are on the album.
An alternate theory.
Alas, if only I had the masterlist. It has seemed to have disappeared.
BOJ and DTE are one in the same...big God Damn warning signs. I think the seed was planted early...the theme may have evolved from what they originally started from...but it was there.
In essence, it's like making lasagna (sorry for the lazy reference...I'm not clicking on all cyclinders yet)...there are layers that keep being added on...more ingredients that add to the flavor.
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
"Call me Ishmael. Some years ago- never mind how long precisely- having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world." Herman Melville : Moby Dick
Binaural was like a rebound girlfriend for a long time...I listened to her...told her she was pretty, but I really wanted to be with YIELD.
I have since pulled a Scott Baio and apologized to her.
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
"Call me Ishmael. Some years ago- never mind how long precisely- having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world." Herman Melville : Moby Dick
If I did that, I would be in a thread talking about Ten.
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
piace brother.
don't forget to give your re-bound girlfriend a call once in a while though
"Call me Ishmael. Some years ago- never mind how long precisely- having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world." Herman Melville : Moby Dick
"Call me Ishmael. Some years ago- never mind how long precisely- having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world." Herman Melville : Moby Dick
the house (ten) always fucking wins. it is a mathematical fact
"Call me Ishmael. Some years ago- never mind how long precisely- having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world." Herman Melville : Moby Dick
very interesting.
just last week I listened to ten and I was totally blown away. it was like I'd never heard it before. if you break the album down, song by song, it is just simply astounding that songs as powerful as Alive and Black are on a debut album. so in that respect, there is something about ten that will never be seen on any other album.
as for the "big deal" about yield, it seems that the people on this thread (and lots of fans, really) seem to identify/gravitate toward the message of the album and how it is delivered through the music. how accidentally deliberate it all is. maybe.
Yeah, and to answer the previous question about Ten being better...
I think, speaking on behalf of the people that post here, YIELD means a little more to us because of everything else that surrounds it. The things that were going on in our life at the time, when we've listened to it, why we've listened to it, all these things factor in to it.
We're not trying to push YIELD on everyone or say it's better, all we're trying to do is discuss it to find out more about it, thusly finding out more about ourselves.
If you can do that with Ten, that's great, please do. I think that's half the point of the message board. If you'd like to join us and do so with YIELD, post away.
It's all state of mind, so I don't think it's fair to characteristically assume one album is better than any other. The album is meaningless without the listener.
true, I do not mean to polarize. kind thanks, madame.
I couldn't have said it better.
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hey dude, don't make fun of the rebound. she'll tear your nuts off. fierce fucker that one
"Call me Ishmael. Some years ago- never mind how long precisely- having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world." Herman Melville : Moby Dick