9-Year-Old Girl Accidentally Kills Shooting Range Instructor

rollings

Also....I'd say he wasn't a very good instructor....

EdsonNascimento

This has more to do with parental stupidity than gun laws. I am by no means a gun lobby advocate, but this isn't a great example for the anti's. It's pure adult stupidity. When can we outlaw that? That's a far bigger scourge on our society bc it leads to stuff like this.

Jason P

chadwick said:

i am pretty certain this wasn't a automatic uzi. please correct me if i m wrong

It was an automatic. The cops released video footage that stops right before the instructor is mowed down. She fires one shot on semi-auto, and then the instructor standing to her left clicks auto on. When she pulled the trigger the recoil causes the gun to raise to the left quickly an unfortunatly the arc is heading right towards the guys head. It happened really fast.

As noted earlier, this happend to an eight year old boy several years ago at a gun show, but the boy ended up shooting himself. The "instructor" was 15 years old and claimed he told the father twice that the gun was too powerful but the father insisted he be allowed to shoot the uzi.

Godfather.

maaaaaaan....I just finished reading all your thought's on this topic and I understand your anger and knee jerk reactions to the accident,all the name calling etc.
Thirty is it really yours- mine or anybody elses place to tell another person what kind of rifle or hand gun they can have ? for the most part you all agree it's a people issue and not a gun issue (we've come a long way baby) also I think good people make bad choices sometimes....anybody here ever made a mistake they wish they could take back ?

Godfather.

Jason P

Godfather. said:

anybody here ever made a mistake they wish they could take back ?

Godfather.

One time I could have met Mr. T at the mall and I didn't go .... :(

callen

EdsonNascimento said:

This has more to do with parental stupidity than gun laws. I am by no means a gun lobby advocate, but this isn't a great example for the anti's. It's pure adult stupidity. When can we outlaw that? That's a far bigger scourge on our society bc it leads to stuff like this.

True but it is the gun culture and it's acceptance in the US that instilled the thought that it would be a great family outing to shoot guns for fun.

callen

Jason P said:

Godfather. said:

anybody here ever made a mistake they wish they could take back ?

Godfather.

One time I could have met Mr. T at the mall and I didn't go .... :(

JP. YOU really fked up there buddy.

blueandwhite

Godfather. said:

maaaaaaan....I just finished reading all your thought's on this topic and I understand your anger and knee jerk reactions to the accident,all the name calling etc.
Thirty is it really yours- mine or anybody elses place to tell another person what kind of rifle or hand gun they can have ? for the most part you all agree it's a people issue and not a gun issue (we've come a long way baby) also I think good people make bad choices sometimes....anybody here ever made a mistake they wish they could take back ?

Godfather.

Mistake? This isn't like forgetting to put the garbage out at the curb or skipping out on the office Christmas party. This is willful negligence by both the range and the parents. It's also something that wouldn't happen in most industrialized societies simply because in other nations the idea of putting an uzi into the hands of a nine-year old is completely unacceptable. Don't worry though, I'm sure that no laws will be changed as a result of this so-called tragedy.

Gern Blansten

EdsonNascimento said:

This has more to do with parental stupidity than gun laws. I am by no means a gun lobby advocate, but this isn't a great example for the anti's. It's pure adult stupidity. When can we outlaw that? That's a far bigger scourge on our society bc it leads to stuff like this.

Stupidity yes....sometimes the government needs to step in and help us not be so stupid.

Seat belt laws, helmet laws, age limits for driving/drinking, etc.

That type of weapon has no place in a civilized population, especially in the hands of a 9 year old.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Godfather. said:

maaaaaaan....I just finished reading all your thought's on this topic and I understand your anger and knee jerk reactions to the accident,all the name calling etc.
Thirty is it really yours- mine or anybody elses place to tell another person what kind of rifle or hand gun they can have ? for the most part you all agree it's a people issue and not a gun issue (we've come a long way baby) also I think good people make bad choices sometimes....anybody here ever made a mistake they wish they could take back ?

Godfather.

These reactions aren't knee-jerk reactions, Godfather. They are expressions of exasperation. People are genuinely tired of reading the same shit every day. They are also tired of the gun advocates' weak defences for the status quo.

Damn rights I think it's a person's place to place limits on what type of weaponry their neighbours can own. The car analogy is a really goofy one that enthusiasts like to use... in the name of safety... there's limits on speed and usage (seat belts, daytime driving lights, etc.). There's restrictions on alcohol: a 20 year old can wear the uniform of the US army and risk their life for their country, but they can't go have a beer and a plate of nachos at their local pub.

Who's right is it to tell some urbanite they cannot own the cute little cougar cub for a pet that they found on their holiday trek through the mountains?

It's ludicrous. Seriously. But, like someone said a few posts back, their won't be any changes to law so rest assured the spectacle will continue: the inmates are running the asylum.

unsung

Gern Blansten said:

EdsonNascimento said:

This has more to do with parental stupidity than gun laws. I am by no means a gun lobby advocate, but this isn't a great example for the anti's. It's pure adult stupidity. When can we outlaw that? That's a far bigger scourge on our society bc it leads to stuff like this.

Stupidity yes....sometimes the government needs to step in and help us not be so stupid.

Seat belt laws, helmet laws, age limits for driving/drinking, etc.

That type of weapon has no place in a civilized population, especially in the hands of a 9 year old.

I don't need government to protect me from myself. I can handle the job and I understand risk.

callen

unsung said:

Gern Blansten said:

EdsonNascimento said:

This has more to do with parental stupidity than gun laws. I am by no means a gun lobby advocate, but this isn't a great example for the anti's. It's pure adult stupidity. When can we outlaw that? That's a far bigger scourge on our society bc it leads to stuff like this.

Stupidity yes....sometimes the government needs to step in and help us not be so stupid.

Seat belt laws, helmet laws, age limits for driving/drinking, etc.

That type of weapon has no place in a civilized population, especially in the hands of a 9 year old.

I don't need government to protect me from myself. I can handle the job and I understand risk.

I generally agree that I also don't want the government to protect me. The problem comes in when our choices affect others. That's the gray area.

Gern Blansten

unsung said:

Gern Blansten said:

EdsonNascimento said:

This has more to do with parental stupidity than gun laws. I am by no means a gun lobby advocate, but this isn't a great example for the anti's. It's pure adult stupidity. When can we outlaw that? That's a far bigger scourge on our society bc it leads to stuff like this.

Stupidity yes....sometimes the government needs to step in and help us not be so stupid.

Seat belt laws, helmet laws, age limits for driving/drinking, etc.

That type of weapon has no place in a civilized population, especially in the hands of a 9 year old.

I don't need government to protect me from myself. I can handle the job and I understand risk.

But you DO need the government to protect you from lots of other things whether you like it or not. If you eat, drink water, drive on roads, that is.

unsung

Yes because without govt there would be poisonous food and water.

*edit rant out*

Not worth it. The hypocrisy is too powerful.

backseatLover12

EdsonNascimento said:

This has more to do with parental stupidity than gun laws. I am by no means a gun lobby advocate, but this isn't a great example for the anti's. It's pure adult stupidity. When can we outlaw that? That's a far bigger scourge on our society bc it leads to stuff like this.

Stupidity and deadly weapons don't mix well. If society insists on being stupid, smarter gun laws are necessary. Especially when it comes to dumb parents.

unsung said:

I don't need government to protect me from myself. I can handle the job and I understand risk.

I'm sure you can. But what about all those idiots out there risking everyone else's life? Those that clearly should not have a weapon in hand? Sure, the mentally unstable have probably been talked a lot here on other gun threads, but what about Stupid 'Merica?

Godfather.

blueandwhite said:

Godfather. said:

maaaaaaan....I just finished reading all your thought's on this topic and I understand your anger and knee jerk reactions to the accident,all the name calling etc.
Thirty is it really yours- mine or anybody elses place to tell another person what kind of rifle or hand gun they can have ? for the most part you all agree it's a people issue and not a gun issue (we've come a long way baby) also I think good people make bad choices sometimes....anybody here ever made a mistake they wish they could take back ?

Godfather.

Mistake? This isn't like forgetting to put the garbage out at the curb or skipping out on the office Christmas party. This is willful negligence by both the range and the parents. It's also something that wouldn't happen in most industrialized societies simply because in other nations the idea of putting an uzi into the hands of a nine-year old is completely unacceptable. Don't worry though, I'm sure that no laws will be changed as a result of this so-called tragedy.

sure....what ever you say.

Godfather.

Gern Blansten

unsung said:

Yes because without govt there would be poisonous food and water.

*edit rant out*

Not worth it. The hypocrisy is too powerful.

I always wish that anti government types could actually live in the world they wish they lived in....

We're getting a taste of part of that world as it relates to gun control.

blueandwhite

unsung said:

Yes because without govt there would be poisonous food and water.

*edit rant out*

Not worth it. The hypocrisy is too powerful.

Honestly?

The government regulates thousands of aspects of people's lives including food and water supplies. Building codes ensure that we don't see buildings collapse or bridges fail the way they often do in less developed nations. Do you really think that people should be allowed to drive drunk, ignore every traffic rule, running lights or driving on the sidewalk as they please? Perhaps children should be able to drive. Heck, why not get rid of driver's licences altogether?

Governments are often bloated, incompetent, poorly managed and corrupt but they are a necessary evil as private citizens are no better. Without your government, who would hold a food manufacturer accountable for unsafe or contaminated food? Who would come after a water company for failing to provide safe, potable water to consumers? It's pretty easy to hate governments for being overbearing and deeply rooted in our lives, but I shudder at the thought of living in a society without any form of proper governance.

hedonist

blueandwhite said:

Governments are often bloated, incompetent, poorly managed and corrupt but they are a necessary evil as private citizens are no better. Without your government, who would hold a food manufacturer accountable for unsafe or contaminated food? Who would come after a water company for failing to provide safe, potable water to consumers? It's pretty easy to hate governments for being overbearing and deeply rooted in our lives, but I shudder at the thought of living in a society without any form of proper governance.

Couldn't agree more...though I think those last two words are paramount.

chadwick

this is when it was really neat way back when. ppl had little farms, raised chickens, geese, maybe some turkey, cattle & hogs & they grew crops, gardens & fruit trees & tilled up the earth with these big ass work horses & oxen. they had a place right near a spring that gushed out cold as shit pure as fuck water.

many amish & the like or just folks wanting to be left the fuck alone live this way right now. good for them. this is wonderful stuff... they hold themselves accountable

when chaos reigns i am certain i would go find these people & hire myself at their place. good luck