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  • Drowned Out
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    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Are Obama’s Record Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt and Iraq Fueling Unrest in Middle East?

    http://m.democracynow.org/stories/15126
    (Video in link)
    As Saudi Arabia continues U.S.-backed strikes in Yemen and Washington lifts its freeze on military to aid to Egypt, new figures show President Obama has overseen a major increase in weapons sales since taking office. The majority of weapons exports under Obama have gone to the Middle East and Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia tops the list at $46 billion in new agreements. We are joined by William Hartung, who says that even after adjusting for inflation, "the volume of major deals concluded by the Obama administration in its first five years exceeds the amount approved by the Bush administration in its full eight years in office by nearly $30 billion. That also means that the Obama administration has approved more arms sales than any U.S. administration since World War II." Hartung is the director of the Arms and Security Project at the Center for International Policy, and author of "Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex."

    More in link.


    Remember when all us pesky Palestinian supporters (peaceniks in general), commented on how all these sales to middle eastern regimes would wreak havoc in the region? Remember who everyone keeps calling the main fucking country supporting the IS? Saudi Arabia. Conincidence that the biggest arms sale in history closed around the time the IS rose to power? And that SA will be a major power by the time Syria falls and Iran comes back into the crosshairs (peace deal may be is a stall tactic, yes....for the US and Israel).

    I guess this is where we pick sides and condemn or support Obama, right? Fuck that. This is all part of the plan that has been established for years, spanning D and R administrations, and will continue with whomever is the next puppet leader.
    But no matter how many of these predictions come true, some will refuse to acknowledge that there is a plan - it's all just BAD planning, accidents, unforeseen circumstance, untrustworthy allies, evil evil tyrants etc. zero accountability for the arms dealers and corps pulling the strings.

    So what is it you are arguing for?
    Nah ah. You don't get to make this about me. How about addressing some of what I said before you ask for my plan for world peace?
  • Drowned Out
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Are Obama’s Record Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt and Iraq Fueling Unrest in Middle East?

    http://m.democracynow.org/stories/15126
    (Video in link)
    As Saudi Arabia continues U.S.-backed strikes in Yemen and Washington lifts its freeze on military to aid to Egypt, new figures show President Obama has overseen a major increase in weapons sales since taking office. The majority of weapons exports under Obama have gone to the Middle East and Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia tops the list at $46 billion in new agreements. We are joined by William Hartung, who says that even after adjusting for inflation, "the volume of major deals concluded by the Obama administration in its first five years exceeds the amount approved by the Bush administration in its full eight years in office by nearly $30 billion. That also means that the Obama administration has approved more arms sales than any U.S. administration since World War II." Hartung is the director of the Arms and Security Project at the Center for International Policy, and author of "Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex."

    More in link.


    Remember when all us pesky Palestinian supporters (peaceniks in general), commented on how all these sales to middle eastern regimes would wreak havoc in the region? Remember who everyone keeps calling the main fucking country supporting the IS? Saudi Arabia. Conincidence that the biggest arms sale in history closed around the time the IS rose to power? And that SA will be a major power by the time Syria falls and Iran comes back into the crosshairs (peace deal may be is a stall tactic, yes....for the US and Israel).

    I guess this is where we pick sides and condemn or support Obama, right? Fuck that. This is all part of the plan that has been established for years, spanning D and R administrations, and will continue with whomever is the next puppet leader.
    But no matter how many of these predictions come true, some will refuse to acknowledge that there is a plan - it's all just BAD planning, accidents, unforeseen circumstance, untrustworthy allies, evil evil tyrants etc. zero accountability for the arms dealers and corps pulling the strings.

    So what is it you are arguing for?
    Nah ah. You don't get to make this about me. How about addressing some of what I said before you ask for my plan for world peace?
    Addressing Obama's military expenditures?
  • BS44325
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    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

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    benjs said:

    BS44325 said:

    benjs said:

    BS44325 said:

    I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

    http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

    I'm not sure what you mean when you say you've been talking about this coming. It's not anything new to see IS fighting against all people (Muslims included) in disagreement with their disturbed vision of how the world should be. What's tragic is that an already oppressed people should suffer more than the existence they've been forced into.
    What I have been saying from minute one on these boards is that people who support Palestinian freedom should not make common cause with radical islamists. Eventually they metastasize and turn inward.
    I honestly don't think I've seen that in a single person in favour of Palestinian liberation here, but maybe that's because I'm on the list. It has been obvious from that same minute one that IS have been after nefarious and self-serving (and not religiously-fueled but religiously-justified) goals of domination. Maybe Hamas are no different, but I think it's pretty obvious that most of us don't wish for murderous animals to be released into Israel, rather, we think that those who retaliate violently do so out of a feeling of sheer necessity. In addition, you don't deny rights to good people to remove rights from the bad ones: how many bad people have been the beneficiaries of all sorts of aid over the years, and continue to today?
    There are many people that support Hamas on these boards as freedom fighters. There are many people on these boards who excuse their behaviour as long as it is directed towards Israel. I have been saying for months that those views are short-sighted. I have been saying for months that you can be for a free Palestine and against Hamas at the same time. For making that argument I have been accused of "misdirection" or of endorsing every Israeli action. The radicals are currently eating the moderates and those that have encouraged the radicals have only themselves to blame.
    And you support a fucken regime bent on destroying a population and stealing all of their land. Ya, you're all high and righteous alright. The leaders of Israel are just as radical if not more radical then hamas is. And if you deny it then you're lying to yourself. Or just plan dumb.
    This is what I am talking about Benjs.
    I'm wrong? Tell me then all mighty know it all. How many people has hamas killed in the last 15 years? Now tell me how many the israeli regime has killed in the same time. And BOTH regimes were "democratically" elected.
    Man...you keep missing my point. It is so simple. You can be for a free palestine but against Hamas. To be against Hamas is not to be against muslims as a whole. Within Hamas the worst forms of Islam rise to the top crushing all the moderates within. This spreads like a cancer that cannot be controlled. Egypt recognizes this and is acting accordingly. You can believe that Israel is a far worse regime if you want but it won't matter...you will have lost control of your movement. There will be no more Palestine to save.

    Lastly, Palestinians are being slaughtered in the refugee camps right now. All summer you were outraged. Where's you outrage now? Shame on all those who only care about their fate when israel is doing the damage.
    Where in syria? Jesus Christ, you're comparing a civil war with an occupation? See how silly that looks? Ya shame on all of us who are against an occupation. How dare any of us care about people.
    Palestinians being killed by Israel...important. Palestinians being killed by ISIS...not important. Got it.
    Wait, what? You're all over the fucken place. Isis is killing Palestinians? Really? Where? In Syria? Where there's a civil war going on? You're damn right Palestinians being killed by Israel is wrong 100%. That's completely different then what's going on in Syria but in your dellusional world it's the exact same thing. Keep trying man. Seems like everyone but me is ignoring you and your ridiculous posts. Maybe I should start doing the same.

    Edit-and since when did you give 2 shits about any Muslims? Don't sit here and pretend you care about Palestinians being slaughtered in Syria. If you care so much about the Palestinians, maybe you can do something about it since you support that regime in Israel.
    The source of the violence is different but the bodies piling up aren't. It is clear that you don't really care about the victim just the perpetrator. It is very telling.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    edited April 2015
    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    benjs said:

    BS44325 said:

    benjs said:

    BS44325 said:

    I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

    http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

    I'm not sure what you mean when you say you've been talking about this coming. It's not anything new to see IS fighting against all people (Muslims included) in disagreement with their disturbed vision of how the world should be. What's tragic is that an already oppressed people should suffer more than the existence they've been forced into.
    What I have been saying from minute one on these boards is that people who support Palestinian freedom should not make common cause with radical islamists. Eventually they metastasize and turn inward.
    I honestly don't think I've seen that in a single person in favour of Palestinian liberation here, but maybe that's because I'm on the list. It has been obvious from that same minute one that IS have been after nefarious and self-serving (and not religiously-fueled but religiously-justified) goals of domination. Maybe Hamas are no different, but I think it's pretty obvious that most of us don't wish for murderous animals to be released into Israel, rather, we think that those who retaliate violently do so out of a feeling of sheer necessity. In addition, you don't deny rights to good people to remove rights from the bad ones: how many bad people have been the beneficiaries of all sorts of aid over the years, and continue to today?
    There are many people that support Hamas on these boards as freedom fighters. There are many people on these boards who excuse their behaviour as long as it is directed towards Israel. I have been saying for months that those views are short-sighted. I have been saying for months that you can be for a free Palestine and against Hamas at the same time. For making that argument I have been accused of "misdirection" or of endorsing every Israeli action. The radicals are currently eating the moderates and those that have encouraged the radicals have only themselves to blame.
    And you support a fucken regime bent on destroying a population and stealing all of their land. Ya, you're all high and righteous alright. The leaders of Israel are just as radical if not more radical then hamas is. And if you deny it then you're lying to yourself. Or just plan dumb.
    This is what I am talking about Benjs.
    I'm wrong? Tell me then all mighty know it all. How many people has hamas killed in the last 15 years? Now tell me how many the israeli regime has killed in the same time. And BOTH regimes were "democratically" elected.
    Man...you keep missing my point. It is so simple. You can be for a free palestine but against Hamas. To be against Hamas is not to be against muslims as a whole. Within Hamas the worst forms of Islam rise to the top crushing all the moderates within. This spreads like a cancer that cannot be controlled. Egypt recognizes this and is acting accordingly. You can believe that Israel is a far worse regime if you want but it won't matter...you will have lost control of your movement. There will be no more Palestine to save.

    Lastly, Palestinians are being slaughtered in the refugee camps right now. All summer you were outraged. Where's you outrage now? Shame on all those who only care about their fate when israel is doing the damage.
    Where in syria? Jesus Christ, you're comparing a civil war with an occupation? See how silly that looks? Ya shame on all of us who are against an occupation. How dare any of us care about people.
    Palestinians being killed by Israel...important. Palestinians being killed by ISIS...not important. Got it.
    Wait, what? You're all over the fucken place. Isis is killing Palestinians? Really? Where? In Syria? Where there's a civil war going on? You're damn right Palestinians being killed by Israel is wrong 100%. That's completely different then what's going on in Syria but in your dellusional world it's the exact same thing. Keep trying man. Seems like everyone but me is ignoring you and your ridiculous posts. Maybe I should start doing the same.

    Edit-and since when did you give 2 shits about any Muslims? Don't sit here and pretend you care about Palestinians being slaughtered in Syria. If you care so much about the Palestinians, maybe you can do something about it since you support that regime in Israel.
    The source of the violence is different but the bodies piling up aren't. It is clear that you don't really care about the victim just the perpetrator. It is very telling.
    It's telling that you HATE ALL Muslims and don't give a shit about anything Muslim unless it benefits your agenda. Everyone sees it and no matter what articles you post, same shit. Muslims bad. We must bomb them all. Do you hear yourself talk? You actually want to have the option of bombing Iran on the table. Why? Why would you want to bomb them? What have they done to you all the way up in Canada? must really suck to see the shift in American politics to sort of neutral ey? Must suck your regime that's crying wolf and no ones listening ey? Maybe if they didn't cry for like 30 years straight about it, people might be inclined to listen. Again, why do you want to bomb Iran so bad?
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    benjs said:

    BS44325 said:

    benjs said:

    BS44325 said:

    I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

    http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

    I'm not sure what you mean when you say you've been talking about this coming. It's not anything new to see IS fighting against all people (Muslims included) in disagreement with their disturbed vision of how the world should be. What's tragic is that an already oppressed people should suffer more than the existence they've been forced into.
    What I have been saying from minute one on these boards is that people who support Palestinian freedom should not make common cause with radical islamists. Eventually they metastasize and turn inward.
    I honestly don't think I've seen that in a single person in favour of Palestinian liberation here, but maybe that's because I'm on the list. It has been obvious from that same minute one that IS have been after nefarious and self-serving (and not religiously-fueled but religiously-justified) goals of domination. Maybe Hamas are no different, but I think it's pretty obvious that most of us don't wish for murderous animals to be released into Israel, rather, we think that those who retaliate violently do so out of a feeling of sheer necessity. In addition, you don't deny rights to good people to remove rights from the bad ones: how many bad people have been the beneficiaries of all sorts of aid over the years, and continue to today?
    There are many people that support Hamas on these boards as freedom fighters. There are many people on these boards who excuse their behaviour as long as it is directed towards Israel. I have been saying for months that those views are short-sighted. I have been saying for months that you can be for a free Palestine and against Hamas at the same time. For making that argument I have been accused of "misdirection" or of endorsing every Israeli action. The radicals are currently eating the moderates and those that have encouraged the radicals have only themselves to blame.
    And you support a fucken regime bent on destroying a population and stealing all of their land. Ya, you're all high and righteous alright. The leaders of Israel are just as radical if not more radical then hamas is. And if you deny it then you're lying to yourself. Or just plan dumb.
    This is what I am talking about Benjs.
    I'm wrong? Tell me then all mighty know it all. How many people has hamas killed in the last 15 years? Now tell me how many the israeli regime has killed in the same time. And BOTH regimes were "democratically" elected.
    Man...you keep missing my point. It is so simple. You can be for a free palestine but against Hamas. To be against Hamas is not to be against muslims as a whole. Within Hamas the worst forms of Islam rise to the top crushing all the moderates within. This spreads like a cancer that cannot be controlled. Egypt recognizes this and is acting accordingly. You can believe that Israel is a far worse regime if you want but it won't matter...you will have lost control of your movement. There will be no more Palestine to save.

    Lastly, Palestinians are being slaughtered in the refugee camps right now. All summer you were outraged. Where's you outrage now? Shame on all those who only care about their fate when israel is doing the damage.
    Where in syria? Jesus Christ, you're comparing a civil war with an occupation? See how silly that looks? Ya shame on all of us who are against an occupation. How dare any of us care about people.
    Palestinians being killed by Israel...important. Palestinians being killed by ISIS...not important. Got it.
    Wait, what? You're all over the fucken place. Isis is killing Palestinians? Really? Where? In Syria? Where there's a civil war going on? You're damn right Palestinians being killed by Israel is wrong 100%. That's completely different then what's going on in Syria but in your dellusional world it's the exact same thing. Keep trying man. Seems like everyone but me is ignoring you and your ridiculous posts. Maybe I should start doing the same.

    Edit-and since when did you give 2 shits about any Muslims? Don't sit here and pretend you care about Palestinians being slaughtered in Syria. If you care so much about the Palestinians, maybe you can do something about it since you support that regime in Israel.
    The source of the violence is different but the bodies piling up aren't. It is clear that you don't really care about the victim just the perpetrator. It is very telling.
    It's telling that you HATE ALL Muslims and don't give a shit about anything Muslim unless it benefits your agenda. Everyone sees it and no matter what articles you post, same shit. Muslims bad. We must bomb them all. Do you hear yourself talk? You actually want to have the option of bombing Iran on the table. Why? Why would you want to bomb them? What have they done to you all the way up in Canada? must really suck to see the shift in American politics to sort of neutral ey? Must suck your regime that's crying wolf and no ones listening ey? Maybe if they didn't cry for like 30 years straight about it, people might be inclined to listen. Again, why do you want to bomb Iran so bad?
    Cause they're Evil doers BB. your pretty slow buddy.
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    callen said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    benjs said:

    BS44325 said:

    benjs said:

    BS44325 said:

    I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

    http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

    I'm not sure what you mean when you say you've been talking about this coming. It's not anything new to see IS fighting against all people (Muslims included) in disagreement with their disturbed vision of how the world should be. What's tragic is that an already oppressed people should suffer more than the existence they've been forced into.
    What I have been saying from minute one on these boards is that people who support Palestinian freedom should not make common cause with radical islamists. Eventually they metastasize and turn inward.
    I honestly don't think I've seen that in a single person in favour of Palestinian liberation here, but maybe that's because I'm on the list. It has been obvious from that same minute one that IS have been after nefarious and self-serving (and not religiously-fueled but religiously-justified) goals of domination. Maybe Hamas are no different, but I think it's pretty obvious that most of us don't wish for murderous animals to be released into Israel, rather, we think that those who retaliate violently do so out of a feeling of sheer necessity. In addition, you don't deny rights to good people to remove rights from the bad ones: how many bad people have been the beneficiaries of all sorts of aid over the years, and continue to today?
    There are many people that support Hamas on these boards as freedom fighters. There are many people on these boards who excuse their behaviour as long as it is directed towards Israel. I have been saying for months that those views are short-sighted. I have been saying for months that you can be for a free Palestine and against Hamas at the same time. For making that argument I have been accused of "misdirection" or of endorsing every Israeli action. The radicals are currently eating the moderates and those that have encouraged the radicals have only themselves to blame.
    And you support a fucken regime bent on destroying a population and stealing all of their land. Ya, you're all high and righteous alright. The leaders of Israel are just as radical if not more radical then hamas is. And if you deny it then you're lying to yourself. Or just plan dumb.
    This is what I am talking about Benjs.
    I'm wrong? Tell me then all mighty know it all. How many people has hamas killed in the last 15 years? Now tell me how many the israeli regime has killed in the same time. And BOTH regimes were "democratically" elected.
    Man...you keep missing my point. It is so simple. You can be for a free palestine but against Hamas. To be against Hamas is not to be against muslims as a whole. Within Hamas the worst forms of Islam rise to the top crushing all the moderates within. This spreads like a cancer that cannot be controlled. Egypt recognizes this and is acting accordingly. You can believe that Israel is a far worse regime if you want but it won't matter...you will have lost control of your movement. There will be no more Palestine to save.

    Lastly, Palestinians are being slaughtered in the refugee camps right now. All summer you were outraged. Where's you outrage now? Shame on all those who only care about their fate when israel is doing the damage.
    Where in syria? Jesus Christ, you're comparing a civil war with an occupation? See how silly that looks? Ya shame on all of us who are against an occupation. How dare any of us care about people.
    Palestinians being killed by Israel...important. Palestinians being killed by ISIS...not important. Got it.
    Wait, what? You're all over the fucken place. Isis is killing Palestinians? Really? Where? In Syria? Where there's a civil war going on? You're damn right Palestinians being killed by Israel is wrong 100%. That's completely different then what's going on in Syria but in your dellusional world it's the exact same thing. Keep trying man. Seems like everyone but me is ignoring you and your ridiculous posts. Maybe I should start doing the same.

    Edit-and since when did you give 2 shits about any Muslims? Don't sit here and pretend you care about Palestinians being slaughtered in Syria. If you care so much about the Palestinians, maybe you can do something about it since you support that regime in Israel.
    The source of the violence is different but the bodies piling up aren't. It is clear that you don't really care about the victim just the perpetrator. It is very telling.
    It's telling that you HATE ALL Muslims and don't give a shit about anything Muslim unless it benefits your agenda. Everyone sees it and no matter what articles you post, same shit. Muslims bad. We must bomb them all. Do you hear yourself talk? You actually want to have the option of bombing Iran on the table. Why? Why would you want to bomb them? What have they done to you all the way up in Canada? must really suck to see the shift in American politics to sort of neutral ey? Must suck your regime that's crying wolf and no ones listening ey? Maybe if they didn't cry for like 30 years straight about it, people might be inclined to listen. Again, why do you want to bomb Iran so bad?
    Cause they're Evil doers BB. your pretty slow buddy.
    Must be all the weed
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Are Obama’s Record Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt and Iraq Fueling Unrest in Middle East?

    http://m.democracynow.org/stories/15126
    (Video in link)
    As Saudi Arabia continues U.S.-backed strikes in Yemen and Washington lifts its freeze on military to aid to Egypt, new figures show President Obama has overseen a major increase in weapons sales since taking office. The majority of weapons exports under Obama have gone to the Middle East and Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia tops the list at $46 billion in new agreements. We are joined by William Hartung, who says that even after adjusting for inflation, "the volume of major deals concluded by the Obama administration in its first five years exceeds the amount approved by the Bush administration in its full eight years in office by nearly $30 billion. That also means that the Obama administration has approved more arms sales than any U.S. administration since World War II." Hartung is the director of the Arms and Security Project at the Center for International Policy, and author of "Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex."

    More in link.


    Remember when all us pesky Palestinian supporters (peaceniks in general), commented on how all these sales to middle eastern regimes would wreak havoc in the region? Remember who everyone keeps calling the main fucking country supporting the IS? Saudi Arabia. Conincidence that the biggest arms sale in history closed around the time the IS rose to power? And that SA will be a major power by the time Syria falls and Iran comes back into the crosshairs (peace deal may be is a stall tactic, yes....for the US and Israel).

    I guess this is where we pick sides and condemn or support Obama, right? Fuck that. This is all part of the plan that has been established for years, spanning D and R administrations, and will continue with whomever is the next puppet leader.
    But no matter how many of these predictions come true, some will refuse to acknowledge that there is a plan - it's all just BAD planning, accidents, unforeseen circumstance, untrustworthy allies, evil evil tyrants etc. zero accountability for the arms dealers and corps pulling the strings.

    So what is it you are arguing for?
    Nah ah. You don't get to make this about me. How about addressing some of what I said before you ask for my plan for world peace?
    Addressing Obama's military expenditures?
    ..I knew this would be broken down into a partisan comment, and even addressed that pre-emptively. This is not about Obama, nor about Dubya or any one politician. It's about foreign policy, and our role in fueling unrest in the Middle East for our own gain....which you apparently don't believe happens, because we are just reacting to Iran's unrest and supposed,possible, might happen, aggression.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Are Obama’s Record Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt and Iraq Fueling Unrest in Middle East?

    http://m.democracynow.org/stories/15126
    (Video in link)
    As Saudi Arabia continues U.S.-backed strikes in Yemen and Washington lifts its freeze on military to aid to Egypt, new figures show President Obama has overseen a major increase in weapons sales since taking office. The majority of weapons exports under Obama have gone to the Middle East and Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia tops the list at $46 billion in new agreements. We are joined by William Hartung, who says that even after adjusting for inflation, "the volume of major deals concluded by the Obama administration in its first five years exceeds the amount approved by the Bush administration in its full eight years in office by nearly $30 billion. That also means that the Obama administration has approved more arms sales than any U.S. administration since World War II." Hartung is the director of the Arms and Security Project at the Center for International Policy, and author of "Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex."

    More in link.


    Remember when all us pesky Palestinian supporters (peaceniks in general), commented on how all these sales to middle eastern regimes would wreak havoc in the region? Remember who everyone keeps calling the main fucking country supporting the IS? Saudi Arabia. Conincidence that the biggest arms sale in history closed around the time the IS rose to power? And that SA will be a major power by the time Syria falls and Iran comes back into the crosshairs (peace deal may be is a stall tactic, yes....for the US and Israel).

    I guess this is where we pick sides and condemn or support Obama, right? Fuck that. This is all part of the plan that has been established for years, spanning D and R administrations, and will continue with whomever is the next puppet leader.
    But no matter how many of these predictions come true, some will refuse to acknowledge that there is a plan - it's all just BAD planning, accidents, unforeseen circumstance, untrustworthy allies, evil evil tyrants etc. zero accountability for the arms dealers and corps pulling the strings.

    So what is it you are arguing for?
    Nah ah. You don't get to make this about me. How about addressing some of what I said before you ask for my plan for world peace?
    Addressing Obama's military expenditures?
    ..I knew this would be broken down into a partisan comment, and even addressed that pre-emptively. This is not about Obama, nor about Dubya or any one politician. It's about foreign policy, and our role in fueling unrest in the Middle East for our own gain....which you apparently don't believe happens, because we are just reacting to Iran's unrest and supposed,possible, might happen, aggression.
    I believe it happens...I guess I just don't see your point. Everyone is acting in their own self-interest. The US acts for their own gain, Russia acts for their own gain, China acts for their own gain, Iran acts for their own gain, etc. This is beyond obvious.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Are Obama’s Record Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt and Iraq Fueling Unrest in Middle East?

    http://m.democracynow.org/stories/15126
    (Video in link)
    As Saudi Arabia continues U.S.-backed strikes in Yemen and Washington lifts its freeze on military to aid to Egypt, new figures show President Obama has overseen a major increase in weapons sales since taking office. The majority of weapons exports under Obama have gone to the Middle East and Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia tops the list at $46 billion in new agreements. We are joined by William Hartung, who says that even after adjusting for inflation, "the volume of major deals concluded by the Obama administration in its first five years exceeds the amount approved by the Bush administration in its full eight years in office by nearly $30 billion. That also means that the Obama administration has approved more arms sales than any U.S. administration since World War II." Hartung is the director of the Arms and Security Project at the Center for International Policy, and author of "Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex."

    More in link.


    Remember when all us pesky Palestinian supporters (peaceniks in general), commented on how all these sales to middle eastern regimes would wreak havoc in the region? Remember who everyone keeps calling the main fucking country supporting the IS? Saudi Arabia. Conincidence that the biggest arms sale in history closed around the time the IS rose to power? And that SA will be a major power by the time Syria falls and Iran comes back into the crosshairs (peace deal may be is a stall tactic, yes....for the US and Israel).

    I guess this is where we pick sides and condemn or support Obama, right? Fuck that. This is all part of the plan that has been established for years, spanning D and R administrations, and will continue with whomever is the next puppet leader.
    But no matter how many of these predictions come true, some will refuse to acknowledge that there is a plan - it's all just BAD planning, accidents, unforeseen circumstance, untrustworthy allies, evil evil tyrants etc. zero accountability for the arms dealers and corps pulling the strings.

    So what is it you are arguing for?
    Nah ah. You don't get to make this about me. How about addressing some of what I said before you ask for my plan for world peace?
    Addressing Obama's military expenditures?
    ..I knew this would be broken down into a partisan comment, and even addressed that pre-emptively. This is not about Obama, nor about Dubya or any one politician. It's about foreign policy, and our role in fueling unrest in the Middle East for our own gain....which you apparently don't believe happens, because we are just reacting to Iran's unrest and supposed,possible, might happen, aggression.
    I believe it happens...I guess I just don't see your point. Everyone is acting in their own self-interest. The US acts for their own gain, Russia acts for their own gain, China acts for their own gain, Iran acts for their own gain, etc. This is beyond obvious.
    So you agree it's not about Freedom or security but $$$$? As our politicians are controlled by campaign contributions and corps and special interests ( thanks Supreme Court) are said contributors?
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Are Obama’s Record Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt and Iraq Fueling Unrest in Middle East?

    http://m.democracynow.org/stories/15126
    (Video in link)
    As Saudi Arabia continues U.S.-backed strikes in Yemen and Washington lifts its freeze on military to aid to Egypt, new figures show President Obama has overseen a major increase in weapons sales since taking office. The majority of weapons exports under Obama have gone to the Middle East and Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia tops the list at $46 billion in new agreements. We are joined by William Hartung, who says that even after adjusting for inflation, "the volume of major deals concluded by the Obama administration in its first five years exceeds the amount approved by the Bush administration in its full eight years in office by nearly $30 billion. That also means that the Obama administration has approved more arms sales than any U.S. administration since World War II." Hartung is the director of the Arms and Security Project at the Center for International Policy, and author of "Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex."

    More in link.


    Remember when all us pesky Palestinian supporters (peaceniks in general), commented on how all these sales to middle eastern regimes would wreak havoc in the region? Remember who everyone keeps calling the main fucking country supporting the IS? Saudi Arabia. Conincidence that the biggest arms sale in history closed around the time the IS rose to power? And that SA will be a major power by the time Syria falls and Iran comes back into the crosshairs (peace deal may be is a stall tactic, yes....for the US and Israel).

    I guess this is where we pick sides and condemn or support Obama, right? Fuck that. This is all part of the plan that has been established for years, spanning D and R administrations, and will continue with whomever is the next puppet leader.
    But no matter how many of these predictions come true, some will refuse to acknowledge that there is a plan - it's all just BAD planning, accidents, unforeseen circumstance, untrustworthy allies, evil evil tyrants etc. zero accountability for the arms dealers and corps pulling the strings.

    So what is it you are arguing for?
    Nah ah. You don't get to make this about me. How about addressing some of what I said before you ask for my plan for world peace?
    Addressing Obama's military expenditures?
    ..I knew this would be broken down into a partisan comment, and even addressed that pre-emptively. This is not about Obama, nor about Dubya or any one politician. It's about foreign policy, and our role in fueling unrest in the Middle East for our own gain....which you apparently don't believe happens, because we are just reacting to Iran's unrest and supposed,possible, might happen, aggression.
    I believe it happens...I guess I just don't see your point. Everyone is acting in their own self-interest. The US acts for their own gain, Russia acts for their own gain, China acts for their own gain, Iran acts for their own gain, etc. This is beyond obvious.
    So you agree it's not about Freedom or security but $$$$? As our politicians are controlled by campaign contributions and corps and special interests ( thanks Supreme Court) are said contributors?
    No. I don't agree.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Are Obama’s Record Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt and Iraq Fueling Unrest in Middle East?

    http://m.democracynow.org/stories/15126
    (Video in link)
    As Saudi Arabia continues U.S.-backed strikes in Yemen and Washington lifts its freeze on military to aid to Egypt, new figures show President Obama has overseen a major increase in weapons sales since taking office. The majority of weapons exports under Obama have gone to the Middle East and Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia tops the list at $46 billion in new agreements. We are joined by William Hartung, who says that even after adjusting for inflation, "the volume of major deals concluded by the Obama administration in its first five years exceeds the amount approved by the Bush administration in its full eight years in office by nearly $30 billion. That also means that the Obama administration has approved more arms sales than any U.S. administration since World War II." Hartung is the director of the Arms and Security Project at the Center for International Policy, and author of "Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex."

    More in link.


    Remember when all us pesky Palestinian supporters (peaceniks in general), commented on how all these sales to middle eastern regimes would wreak havoc in the region? Remember who everyone keeps calling the main fucking country supporting the IS? Saudi Arabia. Conincidence that the biggest arms sale in history closed around the time the IS rose to power? And that SA will be a major power by the time Syria falls and Iran comes back into the crosshairs (peace deal may be is a stall tactic, yes....for the US and Israel).

    I guess this is where we pick sides and condemn or support Obama, right? Fuck that. This is all part of the plan that has been established for years, spanning D and R administrations, and will continue with whomever is the next puppet leader.
    But no matter how many of these predictions come true, some will refuse to acknowledge that there is a plan - it's all just BAD planning, accidents, unforeseen circumstance, untrustworthy allies, evil evil tyrants etc. zero accountability for the arms dealers and corps pulling the strings.

    So what is it you are arguing for?
    Nah ah. You don't get to make this about me. How about addressing some of what I said before you ask for my plan for world peace?
    Addressing Obama's military expenditures?
    ..I knew this would be broken down into a partisan comment, and even addressed that pre-emptively. This is not about Obama, nor about Dubya or any one politician. It's about foreign policy, and our role in fueling unrest in the Middle East for our own gain....which you apparently don't believe happens, because we are just reacting to Iran's unrest and supposed,possible, might happen, aggression.
    I believe it happens...I guess I just don't see your point. Everyone is acting in their own self-interest. The US acts for their own gain, Russia acts for their own gain, China acts for their own gain, Iran acts for their own gain, etc. This is beyond obvious.
    So you agree it's not about Freedom or security but $$$$? As our politicians are controlled by campaign contributions and corps and special interests ( thanks Supreme Court) are said contributors?
    No. I don't agree.
    What planet do you live on?
    I suppose you think the reason for the Iraq invasion and the 39 billion Halliburton made off it were totally unrelated.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Are Obama’s Record Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt and Iraq Fueling Unrest in Middle East?

    http://m.democracynow.org/stories/15126
    (Video in link)
    As Saudi Arabia continues U.S.-backed strikes in Yemen and Washington lifts its freeze on military to aid to Egypt, new figures show President Obama has overseen a major increase in weapons sales since taking office. The majority of weapons exports under Obama have gone to the Middle East and Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia tops the list at $46 billion in new agreements. We are joined by William Hartung, who says that even after adjusting for inflation, "the volume of major deals concluded by the Obama administration in its first five years exceeds the amount approved by the Bush administration in its full eight years in office by nearly $30 billion. That also means that the Obama administration has approved more arms sales than any U.S. administration since World War II." Hartung is the director of the Arms and Security Project at the Center for International Policy, and author of "Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex."

    More in link.


    Remember when all us pesky Palestinian supporters (peaceniks in general), commented on how all these sales to middle eastern regimes would wreak havoc in the region? Remember who everyone keeps calling the main fucking country supporting the IS? Saudi Arabia. Conincidence that the biggest arms sale in history closed around the time the IS rose to power? And that SA will be a major power by the time Syria falls and Iran comes back into the crosshairs (peace deal may be is a stall tactic, yes....for the US and Israel).

    I guess this is where we pick sides and condemn or support Obama, right? Fuck that. This is all part of the plan that has been established for years, spanning D and R administrations, and will continue with whomever is the next puppet leader.
    But no matter how many of these predictions come true, some will refuse to acknowledge that there is a plan - it's all just BAD planning, accidents, unforeseen circumstance, untrustworthy allies, evil evil tyrants etc. zero accountability for the arms dealers and corps pulling the strings.

    So what is it you are arguing for?
    Nah ah. You don't get to make this about me. How about addressing some of what I said before you ask for my plan for world peace?
    Addressing Obama's military expenditures?
    ..I knew this would be broken down into a partisan comment, and even addressed that pre-emptively. This is not about Obama, nor about Dubya or any one politician. It's about foreign policy, and our role in fueling unrest in the Middle East for our own gain....which you apparently don't believe happens, because we are just reacting to Iran's unrest and supposed,possible, might happen, aggression.
    I believe it happens...I guess I just don't see your point. Everyone is acting in their own self-interest. The US acts for their own gain, Russia acts for their own gain, China acts for their own gain, Iran acts for their own gain, etc. This is beyond obvious.
    So you agree it's not about Freedom or security but $$$$? As our politicians are controlled by campaign contributions and corps and special interests ( thanks Supreme Court) are said contributors?
    No. I don't agree.
    What planet do you live on?
    I suppose you think the reason for the Iraq invasion and the 39 billion Halliburton made off it were totally unrelated.
    That's right. Unrelated. Also I live on earth.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Are Obama’s Record Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt and Iraq Fueling Unrest in Middle East?

    http://m.democracynow.org/stories/15126
    (Video in link)
    As Saudi Arabia continues U.S.-backed strikes in Yemen and Washington lifts its freeze on military to aid to Egypt, new figures show President Obama has overseen a major increase in weapons sales since taking office. The majority of weapons exports under Obama have gone to the Middle East and Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia tops the list at $46 billion in new agreements. We are joined by William Hartung, who says that even after adjusting for inflation, "the volume of major deals concluded by the Obama administration in its first five years exceeds the amount approved by the Bush administration in its full eight years in office by nearly $30 billion. That also means that the Obama administration has approved more arms sales than any U.S. administration since World War II." Hartung is the director of the Arms and Security Project at the Center for International Policy, and author of "Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex."

    More in link.


    Remember when all us pesky Palestinian supporters (peaceniks in general), commented on how all these sales to middle eastern regimes would wreak havoc in the region? Remember who everyone keeps calling the main fucking country supporting the IS? Saudi Arabia. Conincidence that the biggest arms sale in history closed around the time the IS rose to power? And that SA will be a major power by the time Syria falls and Iran comes back into the crosshairs (peace deal may be is a stall tactic, yes....for the US and Israel).

    I guess this is where we pick sides and condemn or support Obama, right? Fuck that. This is all part of the plan that has been established for years, spanning D and R administrations, and will continue with whomever is the next puppet leader.
    But no matter how many of these predictions come true, some will refuse to acknowledge that there is a plan - it's all just BAD planning, accidents, unforeseen circumstance, untrustworthy allies, evil evil tyrants etc. zero accountability for the arms dealers and corps pulling the strings.

    So what is it you are arguing for?
    Nah ah. You don't get to make this about me. How about addressing some of what I said before you ask for my plan for world peace?
    Addressing Obama's military expenditures?
    ..I knew this would be broken down into a partisan comment, and even addressed that pre-emptively. This is not about Obama, nor about Dubya or any one politician. It's about foreign policy, and our role in fueling unrest in the Middle East for our own gain....which you apparently don't believe happens, because we are just reacting to Iran's unrest and supposed,possible, might happen, aggression.
    I believe it happens...I guess I just don't see your point. Everyone is acting in their own self-interest. The US acts for their own gain, Russia acts for their own gain, China acts for their own gain, Iran acts for their own gain, etc. This is beyond obvious.
    So you agree it's not about Freedom or security but $$$$? As our politicians are controlled by campaign contributions and corps and special interests ( thanks Supreme Court) are said contributors?
    No. I don't agree.
    What planet do you live on?
    I suppose you think the reason for the Iraq invasion and the 39 billion Halliburton made off it were totally unrelated.
    That's right. Unrelated. Also I live on earth.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, no this is some funny shit. Oh my god, WOW
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Are Obama’s Record Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt and Iraq Fueling Unrest in Middle East?

    http://m.democracynow.org/stories/15126
    (Video in link)
    As Saudi Arabia continues U.S.-backed strikes in Yemen and Washington lifts its freeze on military to aid to Egypt, new figures show President Obama has overseen a major increase in weapons sales since taking office. The majority of weapons exports under Obama have gone to the Middle East and Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia tops the list at $46 billion in new agreements. We are joined by William Hartung, who says that even after adjusting for inflation, "the volume of major deals concluded by the Obama administration in its first five years exceeds the amount approved by the Bush administration in its full eight years in office by nearly $30 billion. That also means that the Obama administration has approved more arms sales than any U.S. administration since World War II." Hartung is the director of the Arms and Security Project at the Center for International Policy, and author of "Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex."

    More in link.


    Remember when all us pesky Palestinian supporters (peaceniks in general), commented on how all these sales to middle eastern regimes would wreak havoc in the region? Remember who everyone keeps calling the main fucking country supporting the IS? Saudi Arabia. Conincidence that the biggest arms sale in history closed around the time the IS rose to power? And that SA will be a major power by the time Syria falls and Iran comes back into the crosshairs (peace deal may be is a stall tactic, yes....for the US and Israel).

    I guess this is where we pick sides and condemn or support Obama, right? Fuck that. This is all part of the plan that has been established for years, spanning D and R administrations, and will continue with whomever is the next puppet leader.
    But no matter how many of these predictions come true, some will refuse to acknowledge that there is a plan - it's all just BAD planning, accidents, unforeseen circumstance, untrustworthy allies, evil evil tyrants etc. zero accountability for the arms dealers and corps pulling the strings.

    So what is it you are arguing for?
    Nah ah. You don't get to make this about me. How about addressing some of what I said before you ask for my plan for world peace?
    Addressing Obama's military expenditures?
    ..I knew this would be broken down into a partisan comment, and even addressed that pre-emptively. This is not about Obama, nor about Dubya or any one politician. It's about foreign policy, and our role in fueling unrest in the Middle East for our own gain....which you apparently don't believe happens, because we are just reacting to Iran's unrest and supposed,possible, might happen, aggression.
    I believe it happens...I guess I just don't see your point. Everyone is acting in their own self-interest. The US acts for their own gain, Russia acts for their own gain, China acts for their own gain, Iran acts for their own gain, etc. This is beyond obvious.
    So you agree it's not about Freedom or security but $$$$? As our politicians are controlled by campaign contributions and corps and special interests ( thanks Supreme Court) are said contributors?
    No. I don't agree.
    What planet do you live on?
    I suppose you think the reason for the Iraq invasion and the 39 billion Halliburton made off it were totally unrelated.
    That's right. Unrelated. Also I live on earth.
    I can't tell if you are serious or sarcastic.
    A war is started under false pretenses, a billion dollar no-bid contract is immediately initiated for the company which the man who started the war was recently CEO and is still a major stockholder, the company goes on to make 40 billion dollars for shoddy work, and you see no relation?
    You think we invaded Iraq for WMD's that we knew didn't exist?
    I think you are smarter than that.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    edited April 2015
    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Are Obama’s Record Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt and Iraq Fueling Unrest in Middle East?

    http://m.democracynow.org/stories/15126
    (Video in link)
    As Saudi Arabia continues U.S.-backed strikes in Yemen and Washington lifts its freeze on military to aid to Egypt, new figures show President Obama has overseen a major increase in weapons sales since taking office. The majority of weapons exports under Obama have gone to the Middle East and Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia tops the list at $46 billion in new agreements. We are joined by William Hartung, who says that even after adjusting for inflation, "the volume of major deals concluded by the Obama administration in its first five years exceeds the amount approved by the Bush administration in its full eight years in office by nearly $30 billion. That also means that the Obama administration has approved more arms sales than any U.S. administration since World War II." Hartung is the director of the Arms and Security Project at the Center for International Policy, and author of "Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex."

    More in link.


    Remember when all us pesky Palestinian supporters (peaceniks in general), commented on how all these sales to middle eastern regimes would wreak havoc in the region? Remember who everyone keeps calling the main fucking country supporting the IS? Saudi Arabia. Conincidence that the biggest arms sale in history closed around the time the IS rose to power? And that SA will be a major power by the time Syria falls and Iran comes back into the crosshairs (peace deal may be is a stall tactic, yes....for the US and Israel).

    I guess this is where we pick sides and condemn or support Obama, right? Fuck that. This is all part of the plan that has been established for years, spanning D and R administrations, and will continue with whomever is the next puppet leader.
    But no matter how many of these predictions come true, some will refuse to acknowledge that there is a plan - it's all just BAD planning, accidents, unforeseen circumstance, untrustworthy allies, evil evil tyrants etc. zero accountability for the arms dealers and corps pulling the strings.

    So what is it you are arguing for?
    Nah ah. You don't get to make this about me. How about addressing some of what I said before you ask for my plan for world peace?
    Addressing Obama's military expenditures?
    ..I knew this would be broken down into a partisan comment, and even addressed that pre-emptively. This is not about Obama, nor about Dubya or any one politician. It's about foreign policy, and our role in fueling unrest in the Middle East for our own gain....which you apparently don't believe happens, because we are just reacting to Iran's unrest and supposed,possible, might happen, aggression.
    I believe it happens...I guess I just don't see your point. Everyone is acting in their own self-interest. The US acts for their own gain, Russia acts for their own gain, China acts for their own gain, Iran acts for their own gain, etc. This is beyond obvious.
    So you agree it's not about Freedom or security but $$$$? As our politicians are controlled by campaign contributions and corps and special interests ( thanks Supreme Court) are said contributors?
    No. I don't agree.
    What planet do you live on?
    I suppose you think the reason for the Iraq invasion and the 39 billion Halliburton made off it were totally unrelated.
    That's right. Unrelated. Also I live on earth.
    I can't tell if you are serious or sarcastic.
    A war is started under false pretenses, a billion dollar no-bid contract is immediately initiated for the company which the man who started the war was recently CEO and is still a major stockholder, the company goes on to make 40 billion dollars for shoddy work, and you see no relation?
    You think we invaded Iraq for WMD's that we knew didn't exist?
    I think you are smarter than that.
    Well, he claims to be.
    Post edited by badbrains on
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Are Obama’s Record Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt and Iraq Fueling Unrest in Middle East?

    http://m.democracynow.org/stories/15126
    (Video in link)
    As Saudi Arabia continues U.S.-backed strikes in Yemen and Washington lifts its freeze on military to aid to Egypt, new figures show President Obama has overseen a major increase in weapons sales since taking office. The majority of weapons exports under Obama have gone to the Middle East and Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia tops the list at $46 billion in new agreements. We are joined by William Hartung, who says that even after adjusting for inflation, "the volume of major deals concluded by the Obama administration in its first five years exceeds the amount approved by the Bush administration in its full eight years in office by nearly $30 billion. That also means that the Obama administration has approved more arms sales than any U.S. administration since World War II." Hartung is the director of the Arms and Security Project at the Center for International Policy, and author of "Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex."

    More in link.


    Remember when all us pesky Palestinian supporters (peaceniks in general), commented on how all these sales to middle eastern regimes would wreak havoc in the region? Remember who everyone keeps calling the main fucking country supporting the IS? Saudi Arabia. Conincidence that the biggest arms sale in history closed around the time the IS rose to power? And that SA will be a major power by the time Syria falls and Iran comes back into the crosshairs (peace deal may be is a stall tactic, yes....for the US and Israel).

    I guess this is where we pick sides and condemn or support Obama, right? Fuck that. This is all part of the plan that has been established for years, spanning D and R administrations, and will continue with whomever is the next puppet leader.
    But no matter how many of these predictions come true, some will refuse to acknowledge that there is a plan - it's all just BAD planning, accidents, unforeseen circumstance, untrustworthy allies, evil evil tyrants etc. zero accountability for the arms dealers and corps pulling the strings.

    So what is it you are arguing for?
    Nah ah. You don't get to make this about me. How about addressing some of what I said before you ask for my plan for world peace?
    Addressing Obama's military expenditures?
    ..I knew this would be broken down into a partisan comment, and even addressed that pre-emptively. This is not about Obama, nor about Dubya or any one politician. It's about foreign policy, and our role in fueling unrest in the Middle East for our own gain....which you apparently don't believe happens, because we are just reacting to Iran's unrest and supposed,possible, might happen, aggression.
    I believe it happens...I guess I just don't see your point. Everyone is acting in their own self-interest. The US acts for their own gain, Russia acts for their own gain, China acts for their own gain, Iran acts for their own gain, etc. This is beyond obvious.
    So you agree it's not about Freedom or security but $$$$? As our politicians are controlled by campaign contributions and corps and special interests ( thanks Supreme Court) are said contributors?
    No. I don't agree.
    What planet do you live on?
    I suppose you think the reason for the Iraq invasion and the 39 billion Halliburton made off it were totally unrelated.
    That's right. Unrelated. Also I live on earth.
    I can't tell if you are serious or sarcastic.
    A war is started under false pretenses, a billion dollar no-bid contract is immediately initiated for the company which the man who started the war was recently CEO and is still a major stockholder, the company goes on to make 40 billion dollars for shoddy work, and you see no relation?
    You think we invaded Iraq for WMD's that we knew didn't exist?
    I think you are smarter than that.
    Ugh...rehashing the Iraq war on the day Iraq war hawk Hillary Clinton announces her candidacy...why?

    No. The coalition didn't invade Iraq for WMD's per se...that was just the main reason (of many) to get UN approval which never came. Also the coalition didn't know that they didn't exist and the troops returning home with chemical weapons poisoning might even argue that they did exist.

    Either way...rehashing the reasons for the invasion of Iraq considering the US attacked Libya and overthrew Gaddafi for much less make little sense.

    Did the US employ corporations to help in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion that made a profit? Yes. But was that the reason they went in? No.

    I think you are smarter than that.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    I wonder if Obama discussed this whole Halliburton thing during his last round

    http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/03/29/obama-golfs-with-big-money-oil-moguls-in-florida

    He could have gotten to the bottom of it.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    BS44325 said:

    I wonder if Obama discussed this whole Halliburton thing during his last round

    http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/03/29/obama-golfs-with-big-money-oil-moguls-in-florida

    He could have gotten to the bottom of it.

    What does this have to do with ISIS?

    What thread am I on?


  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Back on topic

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/isis-destroys-ancient-ruins-of-nimrud-video-shows-1.3029687

    ISIS destroys ancient ruins of Nimrud, video shows
    Bulldozing came amid other attacks on antiquities in Iraq and Syria

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