Beheaded by ISIS

callen

rr165892 said:

Maybe they should bring Matt Dillion out on stage and kick it off with"Touch me I'm Dick"

Yes I watched Singles again last night.

Really enjoy watching it from time to time. Does make me want to crank sound track. Even now.

rr165892

callen said:

rr165892 said:

Maybe they should bring Matt Dillion out on stage and kick it off with"Touch me I'm Dick"

Yes I watched Singles again last night.

Really enjoy watching it from time to time. Does make me want to crank sound track. Even now.

It puts a whole new perspective on garage door openers Cal lol.
I always have Birth Ritual and Seasons and Chloe Dancer on heavy rotation.

Godfather.

...things that make you say "HAHAHAH NO SHIT !" this place great...crazy ..but great.

Godfather.

BS44325

I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

benjs

BS44325 said:

I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you've been talking about this coming. It's not anything new to see IS fighting against all people (Muslims included) in disagreement with their disturbed vision of how the world should be. What's tragic is that an already oppressed people should suffer more than the existence they've been forced into.

BS44325

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you've been talking about this coming. It's not anything new to see IS fighting against all people (Muslims included) in disagreement with their disturbed vision of how the world should be. What's tragic is that an already oppressed people should suffer more than the existence they've been forced into.

What I have been saying from minute one on these boards is that people who support Palestinian freedom should not make common cause with radical islamists. Eventually they metastasize and turn inward.

benjs

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you've been talking about this coming. It's not anything new to see IS fighting against all people (Muslims included) in disagreement with their disturbed vision of how the world should be. What's tragic is that an already oppressed people should suffer more than the existence they've been forced into.

What I have been saying from minute one on these boards is that people who support Palestinian freedom should not make common cause with radical islamists. Eventually they metastasize and turn inward.

I honestly don't think I've seen that in a single person in favour of Palestinian liberation here, but maybe that's because I'm on the list. It has been obvious from that same minute one that IS have been after nefarious and self-serving (and not religiously-fueled but religiously-justified) goals of domination. Maybe Hamas are no different, but I think it's pretty obvious that most of us don't wish for murderous animals to be released into Israel, rather, we think that those who retaliate violently do so out of a feeling of sheer necessity. In addition, you don't deny rights to good people to remove rights from the bad ones: how many bad people have been the beneficiaries of all sorts of aid over the years, and continue to today?

badbrains

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you've been talking about this coming. It's not anything new to see IS fighting against all people (Muslims included) in disagreement with their disturbed vision of how the world should be. What's tragic is that an already oppressed people should suffer more than the existence they've been forced into.

What I have been saying from minute one on these boards is that people who support Palestinian freedom should not make common cause with radical islamists. Eventually they metastasize and turn inward.

I honestly don't think I've seen that in a single person in favour of Palestinian liberation here, but maybe that's because I'm on the list. It has been obvious from that same minute one that IS have been after nefarious and self-serving (and not religiously-fueled but religiously-justified) goals of domination. Maybe Hamas are no different, but I think it's pretty obvious that most of us don't wish for murderous animals to be released into Israel, rather, we think that those who retaliate violently do so out of a feeling of sheer necessity. In addition, you don't deny rights to good people to remove rights from the bad ones: how many bad people have been the beneficiaries of all sorts of aid over the years, and continue to today?

Another wise post by my friend ben.

BS44325

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you've been talking about this coming. It's not anything new to see IS fighting against all people (Muslims included) in disagreement with their disturbed vision of how the world should be. What's tragic is that an already oppressed people should suffer more than the existence they've been forced into.

What I have been saying from minute one on these boards is that people who support Palestinian freedom should not make common cause with radical islamists. Eventually they metastasize and turn inward.

I honestly don't think I've seen that in a single person in favour of Palestinian liberation here, but maybe that's because I'm on the list. It has been obvious from that same minute one that IS have been after nefarious and self-serving (and not religiously-fueled but religiously-justified) goals of domination. Maybe Hamas are no different, but I think it's pretty obvious that most of us don't wish for murderous animals to be released into Israel, rather, we think that those who retaliate violently do so out of a feeling of sheer necessity. In addition, you don't deny rights to good people to remove rights from the bad ones: how many bad people have been the beneficiaries of all sorts of aid over the years, and continue to today?

There are many people that support Hamas on these boards as freedom fighters. There are many people on these boards who excuse their behaviour as long as it is directed towards Israel. I have been saying for months that those views are short-sighted. I have been saying for months that you can be for a free Palestine and against Hamas at the same time. For making that argument I have been accused of "misdirection" or of endorsing every Israeli action. The radicals are currently eating the moderates and those that have encouraged the radicals have only themselves to blame.

badbrains

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you've been talking about this coming. It's not anything new to see IS fighting against all people (Muslims included) in disagreement with their disturbed vision of how the world should be. What's tragic is that an already oppressed people should suffer more than the existence they've been forced into.

What I have been saying from minute one on these boards is that people who support Palestinian freedom should not make common cause with radical islamists. Eventually they metastasize and turn inward.

I honestly don't think I've seen that in a single person in favour of Palestinian liberation here, but maybe that's because I'm on the list. It has been obvious from that same minute one that IS have been after nefarious and self-serving (and not religiously-fueled but religiously-justified) goals of domination. Maybe Hamas are no different, but I think it's pretty obvious that most of us don't wish for murderous animals to be released into Israel, rather, we think that those who retaliate violently do so out of a feeling of sheer necessity. In addition, you don't deny rights to good people to remove rights from the bad ones: how many bad people have been the beneficiaries of all sorts of aid over the years, and continue to today?

There are many people that support Hamas on these boards as freedom fighters. There are many people on these boards who excuse their behaviour as long as it is directed towards Israel. I have been saying for months that those views are short-sighted. I have been saying for months that you can be for a free Palestine and against Hamas at the same time. For making that argument I have been accused of "misdirection" or of endorsing every Israeli action. The radicals are currently eating the moderates and those that have encouraged the radicals have only themselves to blame.

And you support a fucken regime bent on destroying a population and stealing all of their land. Ya, you're all high and righteous alright. The leaders of Israel are just as radical if not more radical then hamas is. And if you deny it then you're lying to yourself. Or just plan dumb.

BS44325

badbrains said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you've been talking about this coming. It's not anything new to see IS fighting against all people (Muslims included) in disagreement with their disturbed vision of how the world should be. What's tragic is that an already oppressed people should suffer more than the existence they've been forced into.

What I have been saying from minute one on these boards is that people who support Palestinian freedom should not make common cause with radical islamists. Eventually they metastasize and turn inward.

I honestly don't think I've seen that in a single person in favour of Palestinian liberation here, but maybe that's because I'm on the list. It has been obvious from that same minute one that IS have been after nefarious and self-serving (and not religiously-fueled but religiously-justified) goals of domination. Maybe Hamas are no different, but I think it's pretty obvious that most of us don't wish for murderous animals to be released into Israel, rather, we think that those who retaliate violently do so out of a feeling of sheer necessity. In addition, you don't deny rights to good people to remove rights from the bad ones: how many bad people have been the beneficiaries of all sorts of aid over the years, and continue to today?

There are many people that support Hamas on these boards as freedom fighters. There are many people on these boards who excuse their behaviour as long as it is directed towards Israel. I have been saying for months that those views are short-sighted. I have been saying for months that you can be for a free Palestine and against Hamas at the same time. For making that argument I have been accused of "misdirection" or of endorsing every Israeli action. The radicals are currently eating the moderates and those that have encouraged the radicals have only themselves to blame.

And you support a fucken regime bent on destroying a population and stealing all of their land. Ya, you're all high and righteous alright. The leaders of Israel are just as radical if not more radical then hamas is. And if you deny it then you're lying to yourself. Or just plan dumb.

This is what I am talking about Benjs.

badbrains

BS44325 said:

badbrains said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you've been talking about this coming. It's not anything new to see IS fighting against all people (Muslims included) in disagreement with their disturbed vision of how the world should be. What's tragic is that an already oppressed people should suffer more than the existence they've been forced into.

What I have been saying from minute one on these boards is that people who support Palestinian freedom should not make common cause with radical islamists. Eventually they metastasize and turn inward.

I honestly don't think I've seen that in a single person in favour of Palestinian liberation here, but maybe that's because I'm on the list. It has been obvious from that same minute one that IS have been after nefarious and self-serving (and not religiously-fueled but religiously-justified) goals of domination. Maybe Hamas are no different, but I think it's pretty obvious that most of us don't wish for murderous animals to be released into Israel, rather, we think that those who retaliate violently do so out of a feeling of sheer necessity. In addition, you don't deny rights to good people to remove rights from the bad ones: how many bad people have been the beneficiaries of all sorts of aid over the years, and continue to today?

There are many people that support Hamas on these boards as freedom fighters. There are many people on these boards who excuse their behaviour as long as it is directed towards Israel. I have been saying for months that those views are short-sighted. I have been saying for months that you can be for a free Palestine and against Hamas at the same time. For making that argument I have been accused of "misdirection" or of endorsing every Israeli action. The radicals are currently eating the moderates and those that have encouraged the radicals have only themselves to blame.

And you support a fucken regime bent on destroying a population and stealing all of their land. Ya, you're all high and righteous alright. The leaders of Israel are just as radical if not more radical then hamas is. And if you deny it then you're lying to yourself. Or just plan dumb.

This is what I am talking about Benjs.

I'm wrong? Tell me then all mighty know it all. How many people has hamas killed in the last 15 years? Now tell me how many the israeli regime has killed in the same time. And BOTH regimes were "democratically" elected.

BS44325

badbrains said:

BS44325 said:

badbrains said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you've been talking about this coming. It's not anything new to see IS fighting against all people (Muslims included) in disagreement with their disturbed vision of how the world should be. What's tragic is that an already oppressed people should suffer more than the existence they've been forced into.

What I have been saying from minute one on these boards is that people who support Palestinian freedom should not make common cause with radical islamists. Eventually they metastasize and turn inward.

I honestly don't think I've seen that in a single person in favour of Palestinian liberation here, but maybe that's because I'm on the list. It has been obvious from that same minute one that IS have been after nefarious and self-serving (and not religiously-fueled but religiously-justified) goals of domination. Maybe Hamas are no different, but I think it's pretty obvious that most of us don't wish for murderous animals to be released into Israel, rather, we think that those who retaliate violently do so out of a feeling of sheer necessity. In addition, you don't deny rights to good people to remove rights from the bad ones: how many bad people have been the beneficiaries of all sorts of aid over the years, and continue to today?

There are many people that support Hamas on these boards as freedom fighters. There are many people on these boards who excuse their behaviour as long as it is directed towards Israel. I have been saying for months that those views are short-sighted. I have been saying for months that you can be for a free Palestine and against Hamas at the same time. For making that argument I have been accused of "misdirection" or of endorsing every Israeli action. The radicals are currently eating the moderates and those that have encouraged the radicals have only themselves to blame.

And you support a fucken regime bent on destroying a population and stealing all of their land. Ya, you're all high and righteous alright. The leaders of Israel are just as radical if not more radical then hamas is. And if you deny it then you're lying to yourself. Or just plan dumb.

This is what I am talking about Benjs.

I'm wrong? Tell me then all mighty know it all. How many people has hamas killed in the last 15 years? Now tell me how many the israeli regime has killed in the same time. And BOTH regimes were "democratically" elected.

Man...you keep missing my point. It is so simple. You can be for a free palestine but against Hamas. To be against Hamas is not to be against muslims as a whole. Within Hamas the worst forms of Islam rise to the top crushing all the moderates within. This spreads like a cancer that cannot be controlled. Egypt recognizes this and is acting accordingly. You can believe that Israel is a far worse regime if you want but it won't matter...you will have lost control of your movement. There will be no more Palestine to save.

Lastly, Palestinians are being slaughtered in the refugee camps right now. All summer you were outraged. Where's you outrage now? Shame on all those who only care about their fate when israel is doing the damage.

badbrains

BS44325 said:

badbrains said:

BS44325 said:

badbrains said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you've been talking about this coming. It's not anything new to see IS fighting against all people (Muslims included) in disagreement with their disturbed vision of how the world should be. What's tragic is that an already oppressed people should suffer more than the existence they've been forced into.

What I have been saying from minute one on these boards is that people who support Palestinian freedom should not make common cause with radical islamists. Eventually they metastasize and turn inward.

I honestly don't think I've seen that in a single person in favour of Palestinian liberation here, but maybe that's because I'm on the list. It has been obvious from that same minute one that IS have been after nefarious and self-serving (and not religiously-fueled but religiously-justified) goals of domination. Maybe Hamas are no different, but I think it's pretty obvious that most of us don't wish for murderous animals to be released into Israel, rather, we think that those who retaliate violently do so out of a feeling of sheer necessity. In addition, you don't deny rights to good people to remove rights from the bad ones: how many bad people have been the beneficiaries of all sorts of aid over the years, and continue to today?

There are many people that support Hamas on these boards as freedom fighters. There are many people on these boards who excuse their behaviour as long as it is directed towards Israel. I have been saying for months that those views are short-sighted. I have been saying for months that you can be for a free Palestine and against Hamas at the same time. For making that argument I have been accused of "misdirection" or of endorsing every Israeli action. The radicals are currently eating the moderates and those that have encouraged the radicals have only themselves to blame.

And you support a fucken regime bent on destroying a population and stealing all of their land. Ya, you're all high and righteous alright. The leaders of Israel are just as radical if not more radical then hamas is. And if you deny it then you're lying to yourself. Or just plan dumb.

This is what I am talking about Benjs.

I'm wrong? Tell me then all mighty know it all. How many people has hamas killed in the last 15 years? Now tell me how many the israeli regime has killed in the same time. And BOTH regimes were "democratically" elected.

Man...you keep missing my point. It is so simple. You can be for a free palestine but against Hamas. To be against Hamas is not to be against muslims as a whole. Within Hamas the worst forms of Islam rise to the top crushing all the moderates within. This spreads like a cancer that cannot be controlled. Egypt recognizes this and is acting accordingly. You can believe that Israel is a far worse regime if you want but it won't matter...you will have lost control of your movement. There will be no more Palestine to save.

Lastly, Palestinians are being slaughtered in the refugee camps right now. All summer you were outraged. Where's you outrage now? Shame on all those who only care about their fate when israel is doing the damage.

Where in syria? Jesus Christ, you're comparing a civil war with an occupation? See how silly that looks? Ya shame on all of us who are against an occupation. How dare any of us care about people.

Drowned Out

BS44325 said:

I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

Terrible article for haaretz. Really circles the bowl with it's inferences, without acknowledging all the shit floating around it.
why are there Palestinian refugees in Syria? Why does this author think the so-called left, Palestinian supporters, don't care about these people? Have people knowledgeable enough about imperialist geopolitics not been calling for the west to stop their hypocritical double standard regarding The IS? Ie: helping rebel groups in Syria while (supposedly) fighting them
In Iraq?
This author doesn't come out and say what the challenge is, but reading between the lines, it's pretty clear: he is asking why 'the left' doesn't request military intervention against the IS in Syria...which is hilarious when you consider the fact that most people in this broad, loose category he's put us in, are the people who support non violent solutions. The author admits that Syria is fighting the IS, but stops short of calling for us to help Assad. So obviously this is a call for unilateral action - and who does that benefit? Netanyahu said from day one that the IS will help destroy Iranian influence in the region. The left should support foreign militaries advancing to within miles of Damascus, at the precise time that the IS is gaining that ground? Of course....their proxy fighters (IS) may be closing in on victory - time to go reap the spoils of war, right?
And who better to use as the final victims in this dog and pony bullshit, than the middle east' favourite whipping boys - the Palestinians? Get both sides of the political spectrum onboard this way. Helps with that whole right of return issue as well, right? If not part of the grand scheme to begin with, then Fucking disgusting, shameless political opportunism is what this is.

Drowned Out

Are Obama’s Record Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt and Iraq Fueling Unrest in Middle East?

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/15126
(Video in link)
As Saudi Arabia continues U.S.-backed strikes in Yemen and Washington lifts its freeze on military to aid to Egypt, new figures show President Obama has overseen a major increase in weapons sales since taking office. The majority of weapons exports under Obama have gone to the Middle East and Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia tops the list at $46 billion in new agreements. We are joined by William Hartung, who says that even after adjusting for inflation, "the volume of major deals concluded by the Obama administration in its first five years exceeds the amount approved by the Bush administration in its full eight years in office by nearly $30 billion. That also means that the Obama administration has approved more arms sales than any U.S. administration since World War II." Hartung is the director of the Arms and Security Project at the Center for International Policy, and author of "Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex."

More in link.


Remember when all us pesky Palestinian supporters (peaceniks in general), commented on how all these sales to middle eastern regimes would wreak havoc in the region? Remember who everyone keeps calling the main fucking country supporting the IS? Saudi Arabia. Conincidence that the biggest arms sale in history closed around the time the IS rose to power? And that SA will be a major power by the time Syria falls and Iran comes back into the crosshairs (peace deal may be is a stall tactic, yes....for the US and Israel).

I guess this is where we pick sides and condemn or support Obama, right? Fuck that. This is all part of the plan that has been established for years, spanning D and R administrations, and will continue with whomever is the next puppet leader.
But no matter how many of these predictions come true, some will refuse to acknowledge that there is a plan - it's all just BAD planning, accidents, unforeseen circumstance, untrustworthy allies, evil evil tyrants etc. zero accountability for the arms dealers and corps pulling the strings.

BS44325

badbrains said:

BS44325 said:

badbrains said:

BS44325 said:

badbrains said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you've been talking about this coming. It's not anything new to see IS fighting against all people (Muslims included) in disagreement with their disturbed vision of how the world should be. What's tragic is that an already oppressed people should suffer more than the existence they've been forced into.

What I have been saying from minute one on these boards is that people who support Palestinian freedom should not make common cause with radical islamists. Eventually they metastasize and turn inward.

I honestly don't think I've seen that in a single person in favour of Palestinian liberation here, but maybe that's because I'm on the list. It has been obvious from that same minute one that IS have been after nefarious and self-serving (and not religiously-fueled but religiously-justified) goals of domination. Maybe Hamas are no different, but I think it's pretty obvious that most of us don't wish for murderous animals to be released into Israel, rather, we think that those who retaliate violently do so out of a feeling of sheer necessity. In addition, you don't deny rights to good people to remove rights from the bad ones: how many bad people have been the beneficiaries of all sorts of aid over the years, and continue to today?

There are many people that support Hamas on these boards as freedom fighters. There are many people on these boards who excuse their behaviour as long as it is directed towards Israel. I have been saying for months that those views are short-sighted. I have been saying for months that you can be for a free Palestine and against Hamas at the same time. For making that argument I have been accused of "misdirection" or of endorsing every Israeli action. The radicals are currently eating the moderates and those that have encouraged the radicals have only themselves to blame.

And you support a fucken regime bent on destroying a population and stealing all of their land. Ya, you're all high and righteous alright. The leaders of Israel are just as radical if not more radical then hamas is. And if you deny it then you're lying to yourself. Or just plan dumb.

This is what I am talking about Benjs.

I'm wrong? Tell me then all mighty know it all. How many people has hamas killed in the last 15 years? Now tell me how many the israeli regime has killed in the same time. And BOTH regimes were "democratically" elected.

Man...you keep missing my point. It is so simple. You can be for a free palestine but against Hamas. To be against Hamas is not to be against muslims as a whole. Within Hamas the worst forms of Islam rise to the top crushing all the moderates within. This spreads like a cancer that cannot be controlled. Egypt recognizes this and is acting accordingly. You can believe that Israel is a far worse regime if you want but it won't matter...you will have lost control of your movement. There will be no more Palestine to save.

Lastly, Palestinians are being slaughtered in the refugee camps right now. All summer you were outraged. Where's you outrage now? Shame on all those who only care about their fate when israel is doing the damage.

Where in syria? Jesus Christ, you're comparing a civil war with an occupation? See how silly that looks? Ya shame on all of us who are against an occupation. How dare any of us care about people.

Palestinians being killed by Israel...important. Palestinians being killed by ISIS...not important. Got it.

BS44325

Drowned Out said:

Are Obama’s Record Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt and Iraq Fueling Unrest in Middle East?

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/15126
(Video in link)
As Saudi Arabia continues U.S.-backed strikes in Yemen and Washington lifts its freeze on military to aid to Egypt, new figures show President Obama has overseen a major increase in weapons sales since taking office. The majority of weapons exports under Obama have gone to the Middle East and Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia tops the list at $46 billion in new agreements. We are joined by William Hartung, who says that even after adjusting for inflation, "the volume of major deals concluded by the Obama administration in its first five years exceeds the amount approved by the Bush administration in its full eight years in office by nearly $30 billion. That also means that the Obama administration has approved more arms sales than any U.S. administration since World War II." Hartung is the director of the Arms and Security Project at the Center for International Policy, and author of "Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex."

More in link.


Remember when all us pesky Palestinian supporters (peaceniks in general), commented on how all these sales to middle eastern regimes would wreak havoc in the region? Remember who everyone keeps calling the main fucking country supporting the IS? Saudi Arabia. Conincidence that the biggest arms sale in history closed around the time the IS rose to power? And that SA will be a major power by the time Syria falls and Iran comes back into the crosshairs (peace deal may be is a stall tactic, yes....for the US and Israel).

I guess this is where we pick sides and condemn or support Obama, right? Fuck that. This is all part of the plan that has been established for years, spanning D and R administrations, and will continue with whomever is the next puppet leader.
But no matter how many of these predictions come true, some will refuse to acknowledge that there is a plan - it's all just BAD planning, accidents, unforeseen circumstance, untrustworthy allies, evil evil tyrants etc. zero accountability for the arms dealers and corps pulling the strings.

So what is it you are arguing for?

badbrains

BS44325 said:

badbrains said:

BS44325 said:

badbrains said:

BS44325 said:

badbrains said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

I have been talking about this coming. Very sad.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.650850

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you've been talking about this coming. It's not anything new to see IS fighting against all people (Muslims included) in disagreement with their disturbed vision of how the world should be. What's tragic is that an already oppressed people should suffer more than the existence they've been forced into.

What I have been saying from minute one on these boards is that people who support Palestinian freedom should not make common cause with radical islamists. Eventually they metastasize and turn inward.

I honestly don't think I've seen that in a single person in favour of Palestinian liberation here, but maybe that's because I'm on the list. It has been obvious from that same minute one that IS have been after nefarious and self-serving (and not religiously-fueled but religiously-justified) goals of domination. Maybe Hamas are no different, but I think it's pretty obvious that most of us don't wish for murderous animals to be released into Israel, rather, we think that those who retaliate violently do so out of a feeling of sheer necessity. In addition, you don't deny rights to good people to remove rights from the bad ones: how many bad people have been the beneficiaries of all sorts of aid over the years, and continue to today?

There are many people that support Hamas on these boards as freedom fighters. There are many people on these boards who excuse their behaviour as long as it is directed towards Israel. I have been saying for months that those views are short-sighted. I have been saying for months that you can be for a free Palestine and against Hamas at the same time. For making that argument I have been accused of "misdirection" or of endorsing every Israeli action. The radicals are currently eating the moderates and those that have encouraged the radicals have only themselves to blame.

And you support a fucken regime bent on destroying a population and stealing all of their land. Ya, you're all high and righteous alright. The leaders of Israel are just as radical if not more radical then hamas is. And if you deny it then you're lying to yourself. Or just plan dumb.

This is what I am talking about Benjs.

I'm wrong? Tell me then all mighty know it all. How many people has hamas killed in the last 15 years? Now tell me how many the israeli regime has killed in the same time. And BOTH regimes were "democratically" elected.

Man...you keep missing my point. It is so simple. You can be for a free palestine but against Hamas. To be against Hamas is not to be against muslims as a whole. Within Hamas the worst forms of Islam rise to the top crushing all the moderates within. This spreads like a cancer that cannot be controlled. Egypt recognizes this and is acting accordingly. You can believe that Israel is a far worse regime if you want but it won't matter...you will have lost control of your movement. There will be no more Palestine to save.

Lastly, Palestinians are being slaughtered in the refugee camps right now. All summer you were outraged. Where's you outrage now? Shame on all those who only care about their fate when israel is doing the damage.

Where in syria? Jesus Christ, you're comparing a civil war with an occupation? See how silly that looks? Ya shame on all of us who are against an occupation. How dare any of us care about people.

Palestinians being killed by Israel...important. Palestinians being killed by ISIS...not important. Got it.

Wait, what? You're all over the fucken place. Isis is killing Palestinians? Really? Where? In Syria? Where there's a civil war going on? You're damn right Palestinians being killed by Israel is wrong 100%. That's completely different then what's going on in Syria but in your dellusional world it's the exact same thing. Keep trying man. Seems like everyone but me is ignoring you and your ridiculous posts. Maybe I should start doing the same.

Edit-and since when did you give 2 shits about any Muslims? Don't sit here and pretend you care about Palestinians being slaughtered in Syria. If you care so much about the Palestinians, maybe you can do something about it since you support that regime in Israel.

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Edit-and since when did you give 2 shits about any Muslims? Don't sit here and pretend you care about Palestinians being slaughtered in Syria. If you care so much about the Palestinians, maybe you can do something about it since you support that regime in Israel.

Like I said...fuckin disgusting political opportunism.