this called murder..all the rest are bullshit.. if 2 officers,with training dont know how to unarm,or stop someone wtih out shoot to kill,they need to get retirment..this called murder at the rest of the world,atleast..
1 month ago Greek police arrested number 1 terrorist of the country..he put bombs,he rob banks,attack goverment building,his involved at killing,at kidnapping etc.. they chasing him at the center of the city..he start shooting to police and civilians 3 people,a police officer and 2 civilians got hit ..30-45 minutes running,and shooting to everyone.. all this at the center of Athens.. police??they shot just once..to his arm so drop the gun they put him down... they said he even had granade on him now is in jail.after surgery and will be there for the next 150 years..
how many times they shot this poor gut there?seriously.. one word..
Murder
Dude I get your point I really do but your example here strikes me as bizarre. The guy was a clear danger to the public - injuring 5 people - he deserved nothing more than taking down and staying down.
Just my opinion but now you guys can feed him forever and keep him nice and warm at your cost. The video here isn't as clear cut of course.
But I will say the British police screwed up with that Islamic terrorist who beheaded the soldier, I'm a peaceful guy who hates violence and guns bug that verminous piece of shif should have been granted his 'jihad'. Glory or not. He's even making a mockery of UHF system here now by resisting orders in the prison and claiming compensation for injuries...... Whilst continuing his hate crap.... Worthless scum and he got a bullet in the arm...
Seems the situations between that and this should have been flipped but the police are always wrong in someone's eyes.
the point paul of my exable is,police officer are trained to put a man down with alot of ways not shoot him 12 times.to kill him..thats the point.. as for the terrorist,noone will blame the police here if they shoot to kill him,after all he did,,but worth more alive for info,or use him or try to pressure the others worked with him afraid he will snitch etc.. and from the moment u can take someone down and arrest him,why the hell to kill him?? hiow difficult would be to shoot one warning shot in the air to make him put the knife down,? ore one on the leg??we are talking about so many bullets..seriously..why/?
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I would call this suicide by cop. This guy knew what was about to happen.
thank you. this is what i am thinking too
If that's the case, it makes even less sense. If the guy had been standing on a roof the cops would have done everything in their power to stop him from killing himself.
If he was on a rooftop, he wouldn't be threatening the cops with a knife. Bottom line is that this ass hole was charging at the police with a weapon.
That changes nothing. A suicidal person should be helped, not killed. Tasers, pepper spray.... deadly force was not in any way necessary here.
It's not up to the police officers being threatened to decide if the guy is suicidal or not while being charged at with a deadly weapon.
Why not? If the guy said "Shoot me already" and was bringing a knife to a gunfight I think it's pretty safe to say he is suicidal. If a cop can't figure that out, they have no business being a cop.
It's real easy to say all this after the fact. In the heat of the moment when someone is coming at you with a knife, how are you supposed to not defend yourself? Should the cop try to wrestle the knife away from the guy and risk getting themselves stabbed and/or killed?
And this wasn't a "gunfight". The cops were responding to a call and then someone decided to not listen to their command and come at them with a knife.
I've read that they shot him 17 seconds after arriving. That tells me that they didn't bother thinking at all. IMO it is part of their job to think. To assess a situation. And also to use their training and use a taser when someone is displaying threatening behaviour unless they are pointing a gun at them or are at the very least close enough to harm them. I love how some people don't think cops are required to use their brains and their training while on the job.
They could have chosen any number of options. Taken a step back and given themselves more time. Gotten back in their vehicle. Anything but shooting the guy multiple times.
Seems to me that they escalated the situation by drawing their guns out immediately. If you watch closely he didn't even pull his knife out until they came out guns drawn.
Get back in their car? Really? Yeah, lets just have the cops drive away and leave some guy on the streets who is running around with a knife.
I would call this suicide by cop. This guy knew what was about to happen.
thank you. this is what i am thinking too
If that's the case, it makes even less sense. If the guy had been standing on a roof the cops would have done everything in their power to stop him from killing himself.
If he was on a rooftop, he wouldn't be threatening the cops with a knife. Bottom line is that this ass hole was charging at the police with a weapon.
That changes nothing. A suicidal person should be helped, not killed. Tasers, pepper spray.... deadly force was not in any way necessary here.
It's not up to the police officers being threatened to decide if the guy is suicidal or not while being charged at with a deadly weapon.
Why not? If the guy said "Shoot me already" and was bringing a knife to a gunfight I think it's pretty safe to say he is suicidal. If a cop can't figure that out, they have no business being a cop.
It's real easy to say all this after the fact. In the heat of the moment when someone is coming at you with a knife, how are you supposed to not defend yourself? Should the cop try to wrestle the knife away from the guy and risk getting themselves stabbed and/or killed?
And this wasn't a "gunfight". The cops were responding to a call and then someone decided to not listen to their command and come at them with a knife.
I've read that they shot him 17 seconds after arriving. That tells me that they didn't bother thinking at all. IMO it is part of their job to think. To assess a situation. And also to use their training and use a taser when someone is displaying threatening behaviour unless they are pointing a gun at them or are at the very least close enough to harm them. I love how some people don't think cops are required to use their brains and their training while on the job.
They could have chosen any number of options. Taken a step back and given themselves more time. Gotten back in their vehicle. Anything but shooting the guy multiple times.
Seems to me that they escalated the situation by drawing their guns out immediately. If you watch closely he didn't even pull his knife out until they came out guns drawn.
Get back in their car? Really? Yeah, lets just have the cops drive away and leave some guy on the streets who is running around with a knife.
ofcourse not..they need to spot him.. stop,put him down,asrrest..not shoot him till they are out of bullets!!!
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Get back in the car??... Not an option.. Imagine a video like that going viral were the cops run from a dude branding a knife..nice example of serve and protect.
A shot in the knee caps?.taser? Warning shot?? Perhaps.. But I won't pretend I'm a cop and say what's right and wrong.. Fluid situation.. Adrenalin rush..and fear. According to their captain on CNN last they did the right thing according to their training..he almost seemed to cocky during his interview..
Based on the lack of outcry from this instance it seems like the majority of general public sees no wrong doing..
Tough to say.. Murder?? Probably not.. Could it been handled differently and could death have been prevented?? Probably yes.
But the example of the dude in Greece is a wierd one. The guy shot members of the public and officers employed to serve and put their lives on the line .... That guy got too much leeway IMO.
This guy here? Different story... But from watching that video it seems he knew what he was doing ... Almost planned it if I hear him Right (watched on phone so could be wrong)
Seriously though, as terrible as it is , what else can a guy expect whilst confronting police with a weapon and refusing orders and proceeding?
Interesting - and although a completely different discussion .... I view the death penalty as murder. Murder without a struggle murder without confrontation, murder with no imminent danger ... And murder in cold blood.
Anyway no wish to derail. There's already an excellent thread on that subject. It's an emotive one and a very difficult one
this called murder..all the rest are bullshit.. if 2 officers,with training dont know how to unarm,or stop someone wtih out shoot to kill,they need to get retirment..this called murder at the rest of the world,atleast..
1 month ago Greek police arrested number 1 terrorist of the country..he put bombs,he rob banks,attack goverment building,his involved at killing,at kidnapping etc.. they chasing him at the center of the city..he start shooting to police and civilians 3 people,a police officer and 2 civilians got hit ..30-45 minutes running,and shooting to everyone.. all this at the center of Athens.. police??they shot just once..to his arm so drop the gun they put him down... they said he even had granade on him now is in jail.after surgery and will be there for the next 150 years..
how many times they shot this poor gut there?seriously.. one word..
Murder
I would say that one word should be 'lucky'. Lucky that nobody was injured in what sounds like a crazy chase.
So, it's lucky that- given the police had opportunities to take him down- some innocent child wasn't killed as police exercised extreme patience trying to be terrorist whisperers.
I would call this suicide by cop. This guy knew what was about to happen.
thank you. this is what i am thinking too
If that's the case, it makes even less sense. If the guy had been standing on a roof the cops would have done everything in their power to stop him from killing himself.
If he was on a rooftop, he wouldn't be threatening the cops with a knife. Bottom line is that this ass hole was charging at the police with a weapon.
That changes nothing. A suicidal person should be helped, not killed. Tasers, pepper spray.... deadly force was not in any way necessary here.
It's not up to the police officers being threatened to decide if the guy is suicidal or not while being charged at with a deadly weapon.
Why not? If the guy said "Shoot me already" and was bringing a knife to a gunfight I think it's pretty safe to say he is suicidal. If a cop can't figure that out, they have no business being a cop.
It's real easy to say all this after the fact. In the heat of the moment when someone is coming at you with a knife, how are you supposed to not defend yourself? Should the cop try to wrestle the knife away from the guy and risk getting themselves stabbed and/or killed?
And this wasn't a "gunfight". The cops were responding to a call and then someone decided to not listen to their command and come at them with a knife.
I've read that they shot him 17 seconds after arriving. That tells me that they didn't bother thinking at all. IMO it is part of their job to think. To assess a situation. And also to use their training and use a taser when someone is displaying threatening behaviour unless they are pointing a gun at them or are at the very least close enough to harm them. I love how some people don't think cops are required to use their brains and their training while on the job.
They could have chosen any number of options. Taken a step back and given themselves more time. Gotten back in their vehicle. Anything but shooting the guy multiple times.
Seems to me that they escalated the situation by drawing their guns out immediately. If you watch closely he didn't even pull his knife out until they came out guns drawn.
Fuks sakes, man.
Seriously? Get back in the car? Maybe play 'ring around the cop car' with the knife wielding maniac chasing the backpedaling cops as they keep trying to calm him down? Maybe drive away and look for a more cooperative, knife wielding, looney dude?
I'm flabbergasted. I too would like to have seen tasers and pepper spray, but I haven't lost sight of the fact that this guy was dangerous and looking for a fight. If this was an innocent kid riding his bike home while drinking a squishy... well I'd be the first to say, "Fuck those cops. Let's get them!" But this wasn't the case here. People are calling it 'execution'... I'm calling it self-defence.
Ironically, some of the same people that argue for gun rights- so they can defend themselves- are arguing against the cops defending themselves. Conflicted or what?
I would call this suicide by cop. This guy knew what was about to happen.
thank you. this is what i am thinking too
If that's the case, it makes even less sense. If the guy had been standing on a roof the cops would have done everything in their power to stop him from killing himself.
If he was on a rooftop, he wouldn't be threatening the cops with a knife. Bottom line is that this ass hole was charging at the police with a weapon.
That changes nothing. A suicidal person should be helped, not killed. Tasers, pepper spray.... deadly force was not in any way necessary here.
It's not up to the police officers being threatened to decide if the guy is suicidal or not while being charged at with a deadly weapon.
Why not? If the guy said "Shoot me already" and was bringing a knife to a gunfight I think it's pretty safe to say he is suicidal. If a cop can't figure that out, they have no business being a cop.
It's real easy to say all this after the fact. In the heat of the moment when someone is coming at you with a knife, how are you supposed to not defend yourself? Should the cop try to wrestle the knife away from the guy and risk getting themselves stabbed and/or killed?
And this wasn't a "gunfight". The cops were responding to a call and then someone decided to not listen to their command and come at them with a knife.
I've read that they shot him 17 seconds after arriving. That tells me that they didn't bother thinking at all. IMO it is part of their job to think. To assess a situation. And also to use their training and use a taser when someone is displaying threatening behaviour unless they are pointing a gun at them or are at the very least close enough to harm them. I love how some people don't think cops are required to use their brains and their training while on the job.
They could have chosen any number of options. Taken a step back and given themselves more time. Gotten back in their vehicle. Anything but shooting the guy multiple times.
Seems to me that they escalated the situation by drawing their guns out immediately. If you watch closely he didn't even pull his knife out until they came out guns drawn.
Fuks sakes, man.
Seriously? Get back in the car? Maybe play 'ring around the cop car' with the knife wielding maniac chasing the backpedaling cops as they keep trying to calm him down? Maybe drive away and look for a more cooperative, knife wielding, looney dude?
I'm flabbergasted. I too would like to have seen tasers and pepper spray, but I haven't lost sight of the fact that this guy was dangerous and looking for a fight. If this was an innocent kid riding his bike home while drinking a squishy... well I'd be the first to say, "Fuck those cops. Let's get them!" But this wasn't the case here. People are calling it 'execution'... I'm calling it self-defence.
Ironically, some of the same people that argue for gun rights- so they can defend themselves- are arguing against the cops defending themselves. Conflicted or what?
No need to say fucks sake. It was a suggestion (admittedly not a good one) I for one would do everything in my power not to kill someone. It would be a last resort. This looked nothing like last resort.
It was clear from the video he wasn't out to kill random bystanders. The bystanders and guy filming walked right by him. He most likely wanted death by cop. They seemed more than eager give it to him.
They escalated the situation by drawing guns on him before they even saw a weapon. Is that what they are trained to do? I hope the fuck not.
I would call this suicide by cop. This guy knew what was about to happen.
thank you. this is what i am thinking too
If that's the case, it makes even less sense. If the guy had been standing on a roof the cops would have done everything in their power to stop him from killing himself.
If he was on a rooftop, he wouldn't be threatening the cops with a knife. Bottom line is that this ass hole was charging at the police with a weapon.
That changes nothing. A suicidal person should be helped, not killed. Tasers, pepper spray.... deadly force was not in any way necessary here.
It's not up to the police officers being threatened to decide if the guy is suicidal or not while being charged at with a deadly weapon.
Why not? If the guy said "Shoot me already" and was bringing a knife to a gunfight I think it's pretty safe to say he is suicidal. If a cop can't figure that out, they have no business being a cop.
It's real easy to say all this after the fact. In the heat of the moment when someone is coming at you with a knife, how are you supposed to not defend yourself? Should the cop try to wrestle the knife away from the guy and risk getting themselves stabbed and/or killed?
And this wasn't a "gunfight". The cops were responding to a call and then someone decided to not listen to their command and come at them with a knife.
I've read that they shot him 17 seconds after arriving. That tells me that they didn't bother thinking at all. IMO it is part of their job to think. To assess a situation. And also to use their training and use a taser when someone is displaying threatening behaviour unless they are pointing a gun at them or are at the very least close enough to harm them. I love how some people don't think cops are required to use their brains and their training while on the job.
They could have chosen any number of options. Taken a step back and given themselves more time. Gotten back in their vehicle. Anything but shooting the guy multiple times.
Seems to me that they escalated the situation by drawing their guns out immediately. If you watch closely he didn't even pull his knife out until they came out guns drawn.
Fuks sakes, man.
Seriously? Get back in the car? Maybe play 'ring around the cop car' with the knife wielding maniac chasing the backpedaling cops as they keep trying to calm him down? Maybe drive away and look for a more cooperative, knife wielding, looney dude?
I'm flabbergasted. I too would like to have seen tasers and pepper spray, but I haven't lost sight of the fact that this guy was dangerous and looking for a fight. If this was an innocent kid riding his bike home while drinking a squishy... well I'd be the first to say, "Fuck those cops. Let's get them!" But this wasn't the case here. People are calling it 'execution'... I'm calling it self-defence.
Ironically, some of the same people that argue for gun rights- so they can defend themselves- are arguing against the cops defending themselves. Conflicted or what?
No need to say fucks sake. It was a suggestion (admittedly not a good one) I for one would do everything in my power not to kill someone. It would be a last resort. This looked nothing like last resort.
It was clear from the video he wasn't out to kill random bystanders. The bystanders and guy filming walked right by him. He most likely wanted death by cop. They seemed more than eager give it to him.
They escalated the situation by drawing guns on him before they even saw a weapon. Is that what they are trained to do? I hope the fuck not.
I am growing weary of all the armchair cops dissecting the plays some officers make in the field.
The bottom line to me is as follows: this guy initiated a fight and seemed intent on engaging in it. He never got to thrusting his knife into either of the cops, but he sure looked like he was inching his way towards them to do so.
Something like that sure puts a guy in a tough spot. I am growing weary of people refusing to acknowledge that as much as they wish for a different outcome... the situation was difficult to manage.
Did the cops overreact? I think so. But their culpability in this situation is nowhere near the level the knife-wielding, fight seeking, crazy guy. If he'd exercised even a remote level of common sense, he'd still be alive. I understand there might be mental health issues that might have prevented him from recognizing the severity of the situation, but to the officers... he's as dangerous as dangerous can be.
Do people actually expect cops to suffer a serious wound before they look to defend themselves? How about expecting people to not antagonize and confront cops?
Get back in the car??... Not an option.. Imagine a video like that going viral were the cops run from a dude branding a knife..nice example of serve and protect.
A shot in the knee caps?.taser? Warning shot?? Perhaps.. But I won't pretend I'm a cop and say what's right and wrong.. Fluid situation.. Adrenalin rush..and fear. According to their captain on CNN last they did the right thing according to their training..he almost seemed to cocky during his interview..
Based on the lack of outcry from this instance it seems like the majority of general public sees no wrong doing..
Tough to say.. Murder?? Probably not.. Could it been handled differently and could death have been prevented?? Probably yes.
Quite fair.
And of course just because it was done according to training does not make it inherently 'right', cause at the end of the day, 'life' is the most important thing, Mass appeal does not always mean universal truth, a universal truth, something that we all (probably) agree is that 'life is important and taking life must always be a last resort in these kinds of situations, surely!...So just because we dont see major outcry right now does not mean that what happened was right.
And it does seem that this could've been handled without death being the outcome. Perhaps!
I do have a question, what other weapons did the officers have? Did they even have a taser on them to use?
Regardless, what happened has happened, we need real solutions now, we need to equip our police forces with /better non lethal tools to get 'control' of these types of situations.
2014, the old gun and lethal bullets is really still the best way to diffuse situations? To, gain control?
and I'm not saying that Cops should not carry a lethal weapon, but rather an officer should always have a non lethal alternative tool/weapon to use in this same situation.
Is it an issue of spending money developing these better tools?
I don't disagree with using non lethal weapons for certain incidents. But considering the circumstances in Ferguson and the surrounding areas right now, the gun may be the first option just because everyone is on edge. I understand the double edge sword that creates. But the drastic situations cause for drastic measures. It's not perfect, but it may be the only way right now. What this comes down to, wheather you agree or not, listen to the cops. If they say put it down, you probably better listen.
and I'm not saying that Cops should not carry a lethal weapon, but rather an officer should always have a non lethal alternative tool/weapon to use in this same situation.
Is it an issue of spending money developing these better tools?
and I'm not saying that Cops should not carry a lethal weapon, but rather an officer should always have a non lethal alternative tool/weapon to use in this same situation.
Is it an issue of spending money developing these better tools?
if police is only for shoot to kill,u dont need them..maybe marines need to patrol the cities..so shoot everything moves and put snipers to every roof
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
if police is only for shoot to kill,u dont need them..maybe marines need to patrol the cities..so shoot everything moves and put snipers to every roof
That's just silly.
well,that was an execution and not serve and protect.. how many bullets 2 armed police officers need to shot to unarm a guy?/ yto take away the weapon?to calm a person down,to secure the area??one?two? three?? this is the same as the that crazy asshole cut the head of the jernoulist.. both murders..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
if police is only for shoot to kill,u dont need them..maybe marines need to patrol the cities..so shoot everything moves and put snipers to every roof
That's just silly.
it isnt. silly is doggedly backing cops just cuz they are cops. they act like soldiers shooting to kill...the rest of the world looks at america like a bunch of savages and i can see why. all across the world knife weilding maniacs are dealt with SAFELY by cops who dont even carry guns. why not here? why is deadly force so permissable..
btw thirty bills you answered my question deftly and without evasion in the MB tread...not
Wow dimi. You just compared 2 police officers who were protecting themselves to an Islamic radical group kidnapping and sawing the head off a journalist.
if police is only for shoot to kill,u dont need them..maybe marines need to patrol the cities..so shoot everything moves and put snipers to every roof
That's just silly.
it isnt. silly is doggedly backing cops just cuz they are cops. they act like soldiers shooting to kill...the rest of the world looks at america like a bunch of savages and i can see why. all across the world knife weilding maniacs are dealt with SAFELY by cops who dont even carry guns. why not here? why is deadly force so permissable..
btw thirty bills you answered my question deftly and without evasion in the MB tread...not
What's silly is always bashing cops just because they're cops. I’ve seen this too many times on this board and I just don’t get it. Yes there are bad cops out there, but there are so many good cops out doing good things every day. You don’t hear about these events because it’s not newsworthy..
if police is only for shoot to kill,u dont need them..maybe marines need to patrol the cities..so shoot everything moves and put snipers to every roof
That's just silly.
it isnt. silly is doggedly backing cops just cuz they are cops. they act like soldiers shooting to kill...the rest of the world looks at america like a bunch of savages and i can see why. all across the world knife weilding maniacs are dealt with SAFELY by cops who dont even carry guns. why not here? why is deadly force so permissable..
btw thirty bills you answered my question deftly and without evasion in the MB tread...not
What's silly is always bashing cops just because they're cops. I’ve seen this too many times on this board and I just don’t get it. Yes there are bad cops out there, but there are so many good cops out doing good things every day. You don’t hear about these events because it’s not newsworthy..
cops get bashed on this board when they gun people down in the streets...thats a far cry from bashing them for putting on the uniform. I suppose we should be good little subjects and allow the use of deadly force without trying to understand why? Forget that!
Who's bashing cops just because they are cops? These cops are getting bashed cause they are shooting/killing people in situations where deadly force does not seem necessary.
It's not up to us to decide when it is or is not necessary to use their weapon. We are not the ones out there facing these situations. How easy is it to sit at our computers watching these videos and when we weren't facing that guy. Unless you were a cop, how can you say that it was unnecessary to use a gun. Most of us have never really faced a life threatening situation in our lives. Yet we want to tell the people who face them on a daily basis how to handle it.
It's not up to us to decide when it is or is not necessary to use their weapon. We are not the ones out there facing these situations. How easy is it to sit at our computers watching these videos and when we weren't facing that guy. Unless you were a cop, how can you say that it was unnecessary to use a gun. Most of us have never really faced a life threatening situation in our lives. Yet we want to tell the people who face them on a daily basis how to handle it.
I've faced deadly situations before, I know what I'm talking about. Thanks for your conjecture.
(I was also stabbed once before, trust me, I get it)
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not shoot him 12 times.to kill him..thats the point..
as for the terrorist,noone will blame the police here if they shoot to kill him,after all he did,,but worth more alive
for info,or use him or try to pressure the others worked with him afraid he will snitch etc..
and from the moment u can take someone down and arrest him,why the hell to kill him??
hiow difficult would be to shoot one warning shot in the air to make him put the knife down,?
ore one on the leg??we are talking about so many bullets..seriously..why/?
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Get back in their car? Really? Yeah, lets just have the cops drive away and leave some guy on the streets who is running around with a knife.
stop,put him down,asrrest..not shoot him till they are out of bullets!!!
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
A shot in the knee caps?.taser? Warning shot?? Perhaps.. But I won't pretend I'm a cop and say what's right and wrong.. Fluid situation.. Adrenalin rush..and fear. According to their captain on CNN last they did the right thing according to their training..he almost seemed to cocky during his interview..
Based on the lack of outcry from this instance it seems like the majority of general public sees no wrong doing..
Tough to say.. Murder?? Probably not.. Could it been handled differently and could death have been prevented?? Probably yes.
But the example of the dude in Greece is a wierd one. The guy shot members of the public and officers employed to serve and put their lives on the line .... That guy got too much leeway IMO.
This guy here? Different story... But from watching that video it seems he knew what he was doing ... Almost planned it if I hear him
Right (watched on phone so could be wrong)
Seriously though, as terrible as it is , what else can a guy expect whilst confronting police with a weapon and refusing orders and proceeding?
Anyway no wish to derail. There's already an excellent thread on that subject. It's an emotive one and a very difficult one
So, it's lucky that- given the police had opportunities to take him down- some innocent child wasn't killed as police exercised extreme patience trying to be terrorist whisperers.
living in st louis, this is precisely why the situation in ferguson is what it is.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Seriously? Get back in the car? Maybe play 'ring around the cop car' with the knife wielding maniac chasing the backpedaling cops as they keep trying to calm him down? Maybe drive away and look for a more cooperative, knife wielding, looney dude?
I'm flabbergasted. I too would like to have seen tasers and pepper spray, but I haven't lost sight of the fact that this guy was dangerous and looking for a fight. If this was an innocent kid riding his bike home while drinking a squishy... well I'd be the first to say, "Fuck those cops. Let's get them!" But this wasn't the case here. People are calling it 'execution'... I'm calling it self-defence.
Ironically, some of the same people that argue for gun rights- so they can defend themselves- are arguing against the cops defending themselves. Conflicted or what?
that is not in this video.
they shot him a dozen times.
that's not enough....
should have maybe given him one to grow on too...
:fp:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It was clear from the video he wasn't out to kill random bystanders. The bystanders and guy filming walked right by him. He most likely wanted death by cop. They seemed more than eager give it to him.
They escalated the situation by drawing guns on him before they even saw a weapon. Is that what they are trained to do? I hope the fuck not.
The bottom line to me is as follows: this guy initiated a fight and seemed intent on engaging in it. He never got to thrusting his knife into either of the cops, but he sure looked like he was inching his way towards them to do so.
Something like that sure puts a guy in a tough spot. I am growing weary of people refusing to acknowledge that as much as they wish for a different outcome... the situation was difficult to manage.
Did the cops overreact? I think so. But their culpability in this situation is nowhere near the level the knife-wielding, fight seeking, crazy guy. If he'd exercised even a remote level of common sense, he'd still be alive. I understand there might be mental health issues that might have prevented him from recognizing the severity of the situation, but to the officers... he's as dangerous as dangerous can be.
Do people actually expect cops to suffer a serious wound before they look to defend themselves? How about expecting people to not antagonize and confront cops?
And of course just because it was done according to training does not make it inherently 'right', cause at the end of the day, 'life' is the most important thing, Mass appeal does not always mean universal truth, a universal truth, something that we all (probably) agree is that 'life is important and taking life must always be a last resort in these kinds of situations, surely!...So just because we dont see major outcry right now does not mean that what happened was right.
And it does seem that this could've been handled without death being the outcome. Perhaps!
I do have a question, what other weapons did the officers have? Did they even have a taser on them to use?
Regardless, what happened has happened, we need real solutions now, we need to equip our police forces with /better non lethal tools to get 'control' of these types of situations.
2014, the old gun and lethal bullets is really still the best way to diffuse situations? To, gain control?
We need a better way,
Is it an issue of spending money developing these better tools?
Anyway.
"Scotty put it on stun"
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
how many bullets 2 armed police officers need to shot to unarm a guy?/
yto take away the weapon?to calm a person down,to secure the area??one?two? three??
this is the same as the that crazy asshole cut the head of the jernoulist..
both murders..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
all across the world knife weilding maniacs are dealt with SAFELY by cops who dont even carry guns. why not here? why is deadly force so permissable..
btw thirty bills you answered my question deftly and without evasion in the MB tread...not
Forget that!
(I was also stabbed once before, trust me, I get it)