if police is only for shoot to kill,u dont need them..maybe marines need to patrol the cities..so shoot everything moves and put snipers to every roof
That's just silly.
it isnt. silly is doggedly backing cops just cuz they are cops. they act like soldiers shooting to kill...the rest of the world looks at america like a bunch of savages and i can see why. all across the world knife weilding maniacs are dealt with SAFELY by cops who dont even carry guns. why not here? why is deadly force so permissable..
btw thirty bills you answered my question deftly and without evasion in the MB tread...not
You don't know how to use the quote feature and you made your words look like my words.
I asked you to clean that up and then ask me your question. If you are unable to do so, or unwilling, then state such and ask me your question again without fucking anything up as you do.
It's not up to us to decide when it is or is not necessary to use their weapon. We are not the ones out there facing these situations. How easy is it to sit at our computers watching these videos and when we weren't facing that guy. Unless you were a cop, how can you say that it was unnecessary to use a gun. Most of us have never really faced a life threatening situation in our lives. Yet we want to tell the people who face them on a daily basis how to handle it.
so, what? They get a free pass? Only cops can decide on police brutality? Thats hardly a democratic system. Police are well known to protect their own, what is to stop them from abusing power if not the citizens who pay the taxes that fund their careers? Are we just supposed to keep quiet out of some idiotic deference to authority?
if police is only for shoot to kill,u dont need them..maybe marines need to patrol the cities..so shoot everything moves and put snipers to every roof
That's just silly.
it isnt. silly is doggedly backing cops just cuz they are cops. they act like soldiers shooting to kill...the rest of the world looks at america like a bunch of savages and i can see why. all across the world knife weilding maniacs are dealt with SAFELY by cops who dont even carry guns. why not here? why is deadly force so permissable..
btw thirty bills you answered my question deftly and without evasion in the MB tread...not
You don't know how to use the quote feature and you made your words look like my words.
I asked you to clean that up and then ask me your question. If you are unable to do so, or unwilling, then state such and ask me your question again without fucking anything up as you do.
i quoted you the second time and you evaded the question a second time. Now you have responded a third time without answering the question again and i am wondering why am i bothering with this? If you wanted to answer you wouldnt be dithering about my phone screwing up the quote slightly.
It may not seem necessary to you, but to them a man ignoring their orders to stop and place a knife down was a serious threat. It's not like the man was down the block, he was within a few feet of one of these officers and still walking towards them. You could say use a tazer or pepper spray, but it's been proven that they always don't work. These officers have every right to be able to go home after work like the rest of us, and if a man is blatantly ignoring an order and still approaching I believe they had every right to shoot.
It may not seem necessary to you, but to them a man ignoring their orders to stop and place a knife down was a serious threat. It's not like the man was down the block, he was within a few feet of one of these officers and still walking towards them. You could say use a tazer or pepper spray, but it's been proven that they always don't work. These officers have every right to be able to go home after work like the rest of us, and if a man is blatantly ignoring an order and still approaching I believe they had every right to shoot.
Yes Yes, I agree.
But let's not confuse someones 'right' to do something (in this case the officers), with the 'need' to do THAT something, Was killing him really necessarily needed? I personally, from my heart, and experience don't think it was (needed/necessary)
Better training, and better non lethal tools is a good (sort of) solution to many of these situations, surely!
I don't disagree with using non lethal weapons for certain incidents. But considering the circumstances in Ferguson and the surrounding areas right now, the gun may be the first option just because everyone is on edge. I understand the double edge sword that creates. But the drastic situations cause for drastic measures. It's not perfect, but it may be the only way right now. What this comes down to, wheather you agree or not, listen to the cops. If they say put it down, you probably better listen.
When everyone is on edge it's the BEST time to be thinking about using non-lethal weapons as the first option, not the other way around. I' say that now is the time when another cop is MOST likely to unnecessarily use deadly force.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
if police is only for shoot to kill,u dont need them..maybe marines need to patrol the cities..so shoot everything moves and put snipers to every roof
That's just silly.
it isnt. silly is doggedly backing cops just cuz they are cops. they act like soldiers shooting to kill...the rest of the world looks at america like a bunch of savages and i can see why. all across the world knife weilding maniacs are dealt with SAFELY by cops who dont even carry guns. why not here? why is deadly force so permissable..
btw thirty bills you answered my question deftly and without evasion in the MB tread...not
You don't know how to use the quote feature and you made your words look like my words.
I asked you to clean that up and then ask me your question. If you are unable to do so, or unwilling, then state such and ask me your question again without fucking anything up as you do.
i quoted you the second time and you evaded the question a second time. Now you have responded a third time without answering the question again and i am wondering why am i bothering with this? If you wanted to answer you wouldnt be dithering about my phone screwing up the quote slightly.
So ask the fucking question of me again. What do you want me to do... go back 7 pages and find it?
And classic... just like you don't want morons that come at cops with knives to be held accountable for their actions... you don't want to assume responsibility for screwing up the quotations (blaming it on the phone).
It's not up to us to decide when it is or is not necessary to use their weapon. We are not the ones out there facing these situations. How easy is it to sit at our computers watching these videos and when we weren't facing that guy. Unless you were a cop, how can you say that it was unnecessary to use a gun. Most of us have never really faced a life threatening situation in our lives. Yet we want to tell the people who face them on a daily basis how to handle it.
So we should just leave everything up to cops and let them make their own decisions without questioning them? Doesn't that seem a little irresponsible and dangerous to you?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
if police is only for shoot to kill,u dont need them..maybe marines need to patrol the cities..so shoot everything moves and put snipers to every roof
That's just silly.
it isnt. silly is doggedly backing cops just cuz they are cops. they act like soldiers shooting to kill...the rest of the world looks at america like a bunch of savages and i can see why. all across the world knife weilding maniacs are dealt with SAFELY by cops who dont even carry guns. why not here? why is deadly force so permissable..
btw thirty bills you answered my question deftly and without evasion in the MB tread...not
What's silly is always bashing cops just because they're cops. I’ve seen this too many times on this board and I just don’t get it. Yes there are bad cops out there, but there are so many good cops out doing good things every day. You don’t hear about these events because it’s not newsworthy..
cops get bashed on this board when they gun people down in the streets...thats a far cry from bashing them for putting on the uniform. I suppose we should be good little subjects and allow the use of deadly force without trying to understand why? Forget that!
Apparently so! We should never question authority! Everything will be okay if we just shut up and let the people with power do whatever they want, duh.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
It's not up to us to decide when it is or is not necessary to use their weapon. We are not the ones out there facing these situations. How easy is it to sit at our computers watching these videos and when we weren't facing that guy. Unless you were a cop, how can you say that it was unnecessary to use a gun. Most of us have never really faced a life threatening situation in our lives. Yet we want to tell the people who face them on a daily basis how to handle it.
So we should just leave everything up to cops and let them make their own decisions without questioning them? Doesn't that seem a little irresponsible and dangerous to you?
What you say here isn't congruent.
We have to let them make decisions in the line of fire; however, after the fact, we can review their performance to determine if they were malicious or not.
I don't read where he said we have to live with every decision cops make. I read that it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
my sister is a cop..he husband as well..so lets say,im more easy to take their side than be against them this was an exucation.,.again,at greece they will be in jail facing 1st degree murder.. empty your gun like this isnt protect and serve,...is murder..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
It's not up to us to decide when it is or is not necessary to use their weapon. We are not the ones out there facing these situations. How easy is it to sit at our computers watching these videos and when we weren't facing that guy. Unless you were a cop, how can you say that it was unnecessary to use a gun. Most of us have never really faced a life threatening situation in our lives. Yet we want to tell the people who face them on a daily basis how to handle it.
So we should just leave everything up to cops and let them make their own decisions without questioning them? Doesn't that seem a little irresponsible and dangerous to you?
What you say here isn't congruent.
We have to let them make decisions in the line of fire; however, after the fact, we can review their performance to determine if they were malicious or not.
I don't read where he said we have to live with every decision cops make. I read that it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
No, we do not get to review their performances. Their bosses do that. And if something illegal occurs, then internal affairs get involved. Either way, the public does not have a say in the matter.
It's not up to us to decide when it is or is not necessary to use their weapon. We are not the ones out there facing these situations. How easy is it to sit at our computers watching these videos and when we weren't facing that guy. Unless you were a cop, how can you say that it was unnecessary to use a gun. Most of us have never really faced a life threatening situation in our lives. Yet we want to tell the people who face them on a daily basis how to handle it.
So we should just leave everything up to cops and let them make their own decisions without questioning them? Doesn't that seem a little irresponsible and dangerous to you?
What you say here isn't congruent.
We have to let them make decisions in the line of fire; however, after the fact, we can review their performance to determine if they were malicious or not.
I don't read where he said we have to live with every decision cops make. I read that it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
No, we do not get to review their performances. Their bosses do that. And if something illegal occurs, then internal affairs get involved. Either way, the public does not have a say in the matter.
Agents of the public.
But for the record, I believe independent agencies should review cases such as these.
Wow dimi. You just compared 2 police officers who were protecting themselves to an Islamic radical group kidnapping and sawing the head off a journalist.
i just compare a murderer that crazy fucker cut the head,wiuth 2 officers that instead of do the best ,the normal thing ,to unarm a guy on the street,they kill him cos they didnt care or respect of his life and cos they know they will just give a statement to internal affers and will let go so yes,,someone dont respect human life and take it so easily,cos has the power to do it,or has a knife and a head infront of them to cut for me are the same..both murderers
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Wow dimi. You just compared 2 police officers who were protecting themselves to an Islamic radical group kidnapping and sawing the head off a journalist.
i just compare a murderer that crazy fucker cut the head,wiuth 2 officers that instead of do the best ,the normal thing ,to unarm a guy on the street,they kill him cos they didnt care or respect of his life and cos they know they will just give a statement to internal affers and will let go so yes,,someone dont respect human life and take it so easily,cos has the power to do it,or has a knife and a head infront of them to cut for me are the same..both murderers
Except one victim was confronting and challenging their slayer with a knife. The other victim believed in something different than their slayer.
There's a big difference between these two examples.
Wow dimi. You just compared 2 police officers who were protecting themselves to an Islamic radical group kidnapping and sawing the head off a journalist.
i just compare a murderer that crazy fucker cut the head,wiuth 2 officers that instead of do the best ,the normal thing ,to unarm a guy on the street,they kill him cos they didnt care or respect of his life and cos they know they will just give a statement to internal affers and will let go so yes,,someone dont respect human life and take it so easily,cos has the power to do it,or has a knife and a head infront of them to cut for me are the same..both murderers
Except one victim was confronting and challenging their slayer with a knife. The other victim believed in something different than their slayer.
There's a big difference between these two examples.
Wow dimi. You just compared 2 police officers who were protecting themselves to an Islamic radical group kidnapping and sawing the head off a journalist.
i just compare a murderer that crazy fucker cut the head,wiuth 2 officers that instead of do the best ,the normal thing ,to unarm a guy on the street,they kill him cos they didnt care or respect of his life and cos they know they will just give a statement to internal affers and will let go so yes,,someone dont respect human life and take it so easily,cos has the power to do it,or has a knife and a head infront of them to cut for me are the same..both murderers
Except one victim was confronting and challenging their slayer with a knife. The other victim believed in something different than their slayer.
There's a big difference between these two examples.
i agree..but im talking about the murderers,not the victims
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
if police is only for shoot to kill,u dont need them..maybe marines need to patrol the cities..so shoot everything moves and put snipers to every roof
That's just silly.
it isnt. silly is doggedly backing cops just cuz they are cops. they act like soldiers shooting to kill...the rest of the world looks at america like a bunch of savages and i can see why. all across the world knife weilding maniacs are dealt with SAFELY by cops who dont even carry guns. why not here? why is deadly force so permissable..
btw thirty bills you answered my question deftly and without evasion in the MB tread...not
You don't know how to use the quote feature and you made your words look like my words.
I asked you to clean that up and then ask me your question. If you are unable to do so, or unwilling, then state such and ask me your question again without fucking anything up as you do.
i quoted you the second time and you evaded the question a second time. Now you have responded a third time without answering the question again and i am wondering why am i bothering with this? If you wanted to answer you wouldnt be dithering about my phone screwing up the quote slightly.
So ask the fucking question of me again. What do you want me to do... go back 7 pages and find it?
And classic... just like you don't want morons that come at cops with knives to be held accountable for their actions... you don't want to assume responsibility for screwing up the quotations (blaming it on the phone).
Notice a pattern here?
i asked twice, thats enough for me, the question is irrelevant now...your tactics are still relevant though. To answer your question at the end (rhetorical or not) i am noticing a pattern here: evasion followed by beligerance. Happily, im not offended that you made a broad, assumptive attack on the way i live my life becuase you bungled it pretty handily. I havnt addressed the accountability of the knife weilder or michael brown so you are pulling that from somewhere dark, wet, and stinky. I absolutely hold them accountable for their parts in their deaths. If they had behaved properly they would still be alive. However, like in a classroom, i hold the teacher (cop) to a higher standard of behavior than student (suspect) as the position of authority is the position which requires discretion.
if police is only for shoot to kill,u dont need them..maybe marines need to patrol the cities..so shoot everything moves and put snipers to every roof
That's just silly.
it isnt. silly is doggedly backing cops just cuz they are cops. they act like soldiers shooting to kill...the rest of the world looks at america like a bunch of savages and i can see why. all across the world knife weilding maniacs are dealt with SAFELY by cops who dont even carry guns. why not here? why is deadly force so permissable..
btw thirty bills you answered my question deftly and without evasion in the MB tread...not
You don't know how to use the quote feature and you made your words look like my words.
I asked you to clean that up and then ask me your question. If you are unable to do so, or unwilling, then state such and ask me your question again without fucking anything up as you do.
i quoted you the second time and you evaded the question a second time. Now you have responded a third time without answering the question again and i am wondering why am i bothering with this? If you wanted to answer you wouldnt be dithering about my phone screwing up the quote slightly.
So ask the fucking question of me again. What do you want me to do... go back 7 pages and find it?
And classic... just like you don't want morons that come at cops with knives to be held accountable for their actions... you don't want to assume responsibility for screwing up the quotations (blaming it on the phone).
Notice a pattern here?
i asked twice, thats enough for me, the question is irrelevant now...your tactics are still relevant though. To answer your question at the end (rhetorical or not) i am noticing a pattern here: evasion followed by beligerance. Happily, im not offended that you made a broad, assumptive attack on the way i live my life becuase you bungled it pretty handily. I havnt addressed the accountability of the knife weilder or michael brown so you are pulling that from somewhere dark, wet, and stinky. I absolutely hold them accountable for their parts in their deaths. If they had behaved properly they would still be alive. However, like in a classroom, i hold the teacher (cop) to a higher standard of behavior than student (suspect) as the position of authority is the position which requires discretion.
You are weird, man. Seriously.
Whatever the question was that you thought was really special... let's just say you completely stumped me on it and you win.
So go scurry away and place that somewhere, as you put it to me, dark, wet, and stinky.
It's not up to us to decide when it is or is not necessary to use their weapon. We are not the ones out there facing these situations. How easy is it to sit at our computers watching these videos and when we weren't facing that guy. Unless you were a cop, how can you say that it was unnecessary to use a gun. Most of us have never really faced a life threatening situation in our lives. Yet we want to tell the people who face them on a daily basis how to handle it.
So we should just leave everything up to cops and let them make their own decisions without questioning them? Doesn't that seem a little irresponsible and dangerous to you?
What you say here isn't congruent.
We have to let them make decisions in the line of fire; however, after the fact, we can review their performance to determine if they were malicious or not.
I don't read where he said we have to live with every decision cops make. I read that it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
But that's what we do now. We let them make decisions and then call them out when it seems their decisions were terrible. But you asked how anyone who isn't a cop can possibly judge their actions... We can (i.e. watch dogs, etc). That's my point. We, the public or its representatives, have to be the ones who judge whether or not their actions are okay or not. If we don't, then who should? Other cops?? I don't think THAT'S such a good idea.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
It's not up to us to decide when it is or is not necessary to use their weapon. We are not the ones out there facing these situations. How easy is it to sit at our computers watching these videos and when we weren't facing that guy. Unless you were a cop, how can you say that it was unnecessary to use a gun. Most of us have never really faced a life threatening situation in our lives. Yet we want to tell the people who face them on a daily basis how to handle it.
So we should just leave everything up to cops and let them make their own decisions without questioning them? Doesn't that seem a little irresponsible and dangerous to you?
What you say here isn't congruent.
We have to let them make decisions in the line of fire; however, after the fact, we can review their performance to determine if they were malicious or not.
I don't read where he said we have to live with every decision cops make. I read that it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
But that's what we do now. We let them make decisions and then call them out when it seems their decisions were terrible. But you asked how anyone who isn't a cop can possibly judge their actions... We can. That's my point. We, the public, have to be the ones who judge whether or not their actions are okay or not. If we don't, then who should? Other cops?? I don't think THAT'S such a good idea.
Yes, that's the point. They are part of our civil society....not above it.
my sister is a cop..he husband as well..so lets say,im more easy to take their side than be against them this was an exucation.,.again,at greece they will be in jail facing 1st degree murder.. empty your gun like this isnt protect and serve,...is murder..
Europe is much more enlightened when it comes to this kind of thing than North America is Dimitris.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Wow dimi. You just compared 2 police officers who were protecting themselves to an Islamic radical group kidnapping and sawing the head off a journalist.
i just compare a murderer that crazy fucker cut the head,wiuth 2 officers that instead of do the best ,the normal thing ,to unarm a guy on the street,they kill him cos they didnt care or respect of his life and cos they know they will just give a statement to internal affers and will let go so yes,,someone dont respect human life and take it so easily,cos has the power to do it,or has a knife and a head infront of them to cut for me are the same..both murderers
The men cutting off heads are cowards, plain and simple. These cops were called to a situation where they already knew the man had a knife. He waited for them to arrive and then screamed and yelled at them to kill him as he continued walking towards them, with a knife. Do you really want officers’ getting into physical situations with people who are armed? Just because they are cops they don't have to deal with being in a fight with someone who is armed. If you had someone approaching you, screaming at you and making threats towards you and that person had a knife would you just fight hand to hand and hope you don’t get stabbed? Or would you look for something to attack him with or defend yourself with? I would be searching with my eyes for something I could grab to bash his head in before he was on me.
Wow dimi. You just compared 2 police officers who were protecting themselves to an Islamic radical group kidnapping and sawing the head off a journalist.
i just compare a murderer that crazy fucker cut the head,wiuth 2 officers that instead of do the best ,the normal thing ,to unarm a guy on the street,they kill him cos they didnt care or respect of his life and cos they know they will just give a statement to internal affers and will let go so yes,,someone dont respect human life and take it so easily,cos has the power to do it,or has a knife and a head infront of them to cut for me are the same..both murderers
Except one victim was confronting and challenging their slayer with a knife. The other victim believed in something different than their slayer.
There's a big difference between these two examples.
Wow dimi. You just compared 2 police officers who were protecting themselves to an Islamic radical group kidnapping and sawing the head off a journalist.
i just compare a murderer that crazy fucker cut the head,wiuth 2 officers that instead of do the best ,the normal thing ,to unarm a guy on the street,they kill him cos they didnt care or respect of his life and cos they know they will just give a statement to internal affers and will let go so yes,,someone dont respect human life and take it so easily,cos has the power to do it,or has a knife and a head infront of them to cut for me are the same..both murderers
Except one victim was confronting and challenging their slayer with a knife. The other victim believed in something different than their slayer.
There's a big difference between these two examples.
i agree..but im talking about the murderers,not the victims
One murderer was motivated by survival instincts and another was motivated through fanaticism.
It's not up to us to decide when it is or is not necessary to use their weapon. We are not the ones out there facing these situations. How easy is it to sit at our computers watching these videos and when we weren't facing that guy. Unless you were a cop, how can you say that it was unnecessary to use a gun. Most of us have never really faced a life threatening situation in our lives. Yet we want to tell the people who face them on a daily basis how to handle it.
So we should just leave everything up to cops and let them make their own decisions without questioning them? Doesn't that seem a little irresponsible and dangerous to you?
What you say here isn't congruent.
We have to let them make decisions in the line of fire; however, after the fact, we can review their performance to determine if they were malicious or not.
I don't read where he said we have to live with every decision cops make. I read that it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
But that's what we do now. We let them make decisions and then call them out when it seems their decisions were terrible. But you asked how anyone who isn't a cop can possibly judge their actions... We can. That's my point. We, the public, have to be the ones who judge whether or not their actions are okay or not. If we don't, then who should? Other cops?? I don't think THAT'S such a good idea.
Yes, that's the point. They are part of our civil society....not above it.
It's not up to us to decide when it is or is not necessary to use their weapon. We are not the ones out there facing these situations. How easy is it to sit at our computers watching these videos and when we weren't facing that guy. Unless you were a cop, how can you say that it was unnecessary to use a gun. Most of us have never really faced a life threatening situation in our lives. Yet we want to tell the people who face them on a daily basis how to handle it.
So we should just leave everything up to cops and let them make their own decisions without questioning them? Doesn't that seem a little irresponsible and dangerous to you?
What you say here isn't congruent.
We have to let them make decisions in the line of fire; however, after the fact, we can review their performance to determine if they were malicious or not.
I don't read where he said we have to live with every decision cops make. I read that it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
But that's what we do now. We let them make decisions and then call them out when it seems their decisions were terrible. But you asked how anyone who isn't a cop can possibly judge their actions... We can (i.e. watch dogs, etc). That's my point. We, the public or its representatives, have to be the ones who judge whether or not their actions are okay or not. If we don't, then who should? Other cops?? I don't think THAT'S such a good idea.
I never asked how anyone who isn't a cop can possibly judge their actions. I said, it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
We can judge all we want, but let's at least acknowledge that we do so from the comfort and security of our homes... not in front of a crazed man menacingly approaching us with a knife in hand.
It's not up to us to decide when it is or is not necessary to use their weapon. We are not the ones out there facing these situations. How easy is it to sit at our computers watching these videos and when we weren't facing that guy. Unless you were a cop, how can you say that it was unnecessary to use a gun. Most of us have never really faced a life threatening situation in our lives. Yet we want to tell the people who face them on a daily basis how to handle it.
So we should just leave everything up to cops and let them make their own decisions without questioning them? Doesn't that seem a little irresponsible and dangerous to you?
What you say here isn't congruent.
We have to let them make decisions in the line of fire; however, after the fact, we can review their performance to determine if they were malicious or not.
I don't read where he said we have to live with every decision cops make. I read that it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
But that's what we do now. We let them make decisions and then call them out when it seems their decisions were terrible. But you asked how anyone who isn't a cop can possibly judge their actions... We can (i.e. watch dogs, etc). That's my point. We, the public or its representatives, have to be the ones who judge whether or not their actions are okay or not. If we don't, then who should? Other cops?? I don't think THAT'S such a good idea.
I never asked how anyone who isn't a cop can possibly judge their actions. I said, it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
We can judge all we want, but let's at least acknowledge that we do so from the comfort and security of our homes... not in front of a crazed man menacingly approaching us with a knife in hand.
But we have the expectation that the cops are specially trained to deal with those situations better that we could. When they don't do that, then we have a responsibility to confront that.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
It's not up to us to decide when it is or is not necessary to use their weapon. We are not the ones out there facing these situations. How easy is it to sit at our computers watching these videos and when we weren't facing that guy. Unless you were a cop, how can you say that it was unnecessary to use a gun. Most of us have never really faced a life threatening situation in our lives. Yet we want to tell the people who face them on a daily basis how to handle it.
So we should just leave everything up to cops and let them make their own decisions without questioning them? Doesn't that seem a little irresponsible and dangerous to you?
What you say here isn't congruent.
We have to let them make decisions in the line of fire; however, after the fact, we can review their performance to determine if they were malicious or not.
I don't read where he said we have to live with every decision cops make. I read that it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
But that's what we do now. We let them make decisions and then call them out when it seems their decisions were terrible. But you asked how anyone who isn't a cop can possibly judge their actions... We can (i.e. watch dogs, etc). That's my point. We, the public or its representatives, have to be the ones who judge whether or not their actions are okay or not. If we don't, then who should? Other cops?? I don't think THAT'S such a good idea.
I never asked how anyone who isn't a cop can possibly judge their actions. I said, it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
We can judge all we want, but let's at least acknowledge that we do so from the comfort and security of our homes... not in front of a crazed man menacingly approaching us with a knife in hand.
But we have the expectation that the cops are specially trained to deal with those situations better that we could. When they don't do that, then we have a responsibility to confront that.
Correct. They are trained not to drop a deuce in their pantaloons when an armed assailant disobeys them and advances towards them.
Training was followed. What this entire debate should be about is whether or not the officer was excessive dealing with this man- not whether or not the officer should have fired at the man.
I have consistently said this event certainly appears excessive; however, I have also said that the man demanded the cops take strong action, whereas some have suggested maybe they should have run away instead.
It's not up to us to decide when it is or is not necessary to use their weapon. We are not the ones out there facing these situations. How easy is it to sit at our computers watching these videos and when we weren't facing that guy. Unless you were a cop, how can you say that it was unnecessary to use a gun. Most of us have never really faced a life threatening situation in our lives. Yet we want to tell the people who face them on a daily basis how to handle it.
So we should just leave everything up to cops and let them make their own decisions without questioning them? Doesn't that seem a little irresponsible and dangerous to you?
What you say here isn't congruent.
We have to let them make decisions in the line of fire; however, after the fact, we can review their performance to determine if they were malicious or not.
I don't read where he said we have to live with every decision cops make. I read that it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
But that's what we do now. We let them make decisions and then call them out when it seems their decisions were terrible. But you asked how anyone who isn't a cop can possibly judge their actions... We can (i.e. watch dogs, etc). That's my point. We, the public or its representatives, have to be the ones who judge whether or not their actions are okay or not. If we don't, then who should? Other cops?? I don't think THAT'S such a good idea.
I never asked how anyone who isn't a cop can possibly judge their actions. I said, it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
We can judge all we want, but let's at least acknowledge that we do so from the comfort and security of our homes... not in front of a crazed man menacingly approaching us with a knife in hand.
But we have the expectation that the cops are specially trained to deal with those situations better that we could. When they don't do that, then we have a responsibility to confront that.
Correct. They are trained not to drop a deuce in their pantaloons when an armed assailant disobeys them and advances towards them.
Training was followed. What this entire debate should be about is whether or not the officer was excessive dealing with this man- not whether or not the officer should have fired at the man.
I have consistently said this event certainly appears excessive; however, I have also said that the man demanded the cops take strong action, whereas some have suggested maybe they should have run away instead.
That's right. - But who said that the cops should have (maybe) 'run away' instead?
It's not up to us to decide when it is or is not necessary to use their weapon. We are not the ones out there facing these situations. How easy is it to sit at our computers watching these videos and when we weren't facing that guy. Unless you were a cop, how can you say that it was unnecessary to use a gun. Most of us have never really faced a life threatening situation in our lives. Yet we want to tell the people who face them on a daily basis how to handle it.
So we should just leave everything up to cops and let them make their own decisions without questioning them? Doesn't that seem a little irresponsible and dangerous to you?
What you say here isn't congruent.
We have to let them make decisions in the line of fire; however, after the fact, we can review their performance to determine if they were malicious or not.
I don't read where he said we have to live with every decision cops make. I read that it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
But that's what we do now. We let them make decisions and then call them out when it seems their decisions were terrible. But you asked how anyone who isn't a cop can possibly judge their actions... We can (i.e. watch dogs, etc). That's my point. We, the public or its representatives, have to be the ones who judge whether or not their actions are okay or not. If we don't, then who should? Other cops?? I don't think THAT'S such a good idea.
I never asked how anyone who isn't a cop can possibly judge their actions. I said, it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
We can judge all we want, but let's at least acknowledge that we do so from the comfort and security of our homes... not in front of a crazed man menacingly approaching us with a knife in hand.
But we have the expectation that the cops are specially trained to deal with those situations better that we could. When they don't do that, then we have a responsibility to confront that.
Correct. They are trained not to drop a deuce in their pantaloons when an armed assailant disobeys them and advances towards them.
Training was followed. What this entire debate should be about is whether or not the officer was excessive dealing with this man- not whether or not the officer should have fired at the man.
I have consistently said this event certainly appears excessive; however, I have also said that the man demanded the cops take strong action, whereas some have suggested maybe they should have run away instead.
That's right. - But who said that the cops should have (maybe) 'run away' instead?
I used that as a parallel to some of the silly options people suggested.
Honestly, it's tough to argue for these cops given how far they took things.
Again, I support cops using whatever force necessary to prevent harm onto themselves. I don't support a 'pass' to do as they please once the threat is contained.
It'll be interesting to see what happens out of this.
It's not up to us to decide when it is or is not necessary to use their weapon. We are not the ones out there facing these situations. How easy is it to sit at our computers watching these videos and when we weren't facing that guy. Unless you were a cop, how can you say that it was unnecessary to use a gun. Most of us have never really faced a life threatening situation in our lives. Yet we want to tell the people who face them on a daily basis how to handle it.
So we should just leave everything up to cops and let them make their own decisions without questioning them? Doesn't that seem a little irresponsible and dangerous to you?
What you say here isn't congruent.
We have to let them make decisions in the line of fire; however, after the fact, we can review their performance to determine if they were malicious or not.
I don't read where he said we have to live with every decision cops make. I read that it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
But that's what we do now. We let them make decisions and then call them out when it seems their decisions were terrible. But you asked how anyone who isn't a cop can possibly judge their actions... We can (i.e. watch dogs, etc). That's my point. We, the public or its representatives, have to be the ones who judge whether or not their actions are okay or not. If we don't, then who should? Other cops?? I don't think THAT'S such a good idea.
I never asked how anyone who isn't a cop can possibly judge their actions. I said, it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
We can judge all we want, but let's at least acknowledge that we do so from the comfort and security of our homes... not in front of a crazed man menacingly approaching us with a knife in hand.
But we have the expectation that the cops are specially trained to deal with those situations better that we could. When they don't do that, then we have a responsibility to confront that.
Correct. They are trained not to drop a deuce in their pantaloons when an armed assailant disobeys them and advances towards them.
Training was followed. What this entire debate should be about is whether or not the officer was excessive dealing with this man- not whether or not the officer should have fired at the man.
I have consistently said this event certainly appears excessive; however, I have also said that the man demanded the cops take strong action, whereas some have suggested maybe they should have run away instead.
That's right. - But who said that the cops should have (maybe) 'run away' instead?
I used that as a parallel to some of the silly options people suggested.
Honestly, it's tough to argue for these cops given how far they took things.
Again, I support cops using whatever force necessary to prevent harm onto themselves. I don't support a 'pass' to do as they please once the threat is contained.
It'll be interesting to see what happens out of this.
K then, fair enough. - It'll be interesting indeed.
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I asked you to clean that up and then ask me your question. If you are unable to do so, or unwilling, then state such and ask me your question again without fucking anything up as you do.
Are we just supposed to keep quiet out of some idiotic deference to authority?
But let's not confuse someones 'right' to do something (in this case the officers), with the 'need' to do THAT something, Was killing him really necessarily needed? I personally, from my heart, and experience don't think it was (needed/necessary)
Better training, and better non lethal tools is a good (sort of) solution to many of these situations, surely!
And classic... just like you don't want morons that come at cops with knives to be held accountable for their actions... you don't want to assume responsibility for screwing up the quotations (blaming it on the phone).
Notice a pattern here?
We have to let them make decisions in the line of fire; however, after the fact, we can review their performance to determine if they were malicious or not.
I don't read where he said we have to live with every decision cops make. I read that it is a hell of a lot tougher to play cop wearing the shoes and on the street than it is from behind your laptop screen.
this was an exucation.,.again,at greece they will be in jail facing 1st degree murder..
empty your gun like this isnt protect and serve,...is murder..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
But for the record, I believe independent agencies should review cases such as these.
so yes,,someone dont respect human life and take it so easily,cos has the power to do it,or has a knife and a head infront of them to cut for me are the same..both murderers
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
There's a big difference between these two examples.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
i asked twice, thats enough for me, the question is irrelevant now...your tactics are still relevant though. To answer your question at the end (rhetorical or not)
i am noticing a pattern here: evasion followed by beligerance. Happily, im not offended that you made a broad, assumptive attack on the way i live my life becuase you bungled it pretty handily. I havnt addressed the accountability of the knife weilder or michael brown so you are pulling that from somewhere dark, wet, and stinky.
I absolutely hold them accountable for their parts in their deaths. If they had behaved properly they would still be alive. However, like in a classroom, i hold the teacher (cop) to a higher standard of behavior than student (suspect) as the position of authority is the position which requires discretion.
Whatever the question was that you thought was really special... let's just say you completely stumped me on it and you win.
So go scurry away and place that somewhere, as you put it to me, dark, wet, and stinky.
This is suicide by cop.
We can judge all we want, but let's at least acknowledge that we do so from the comfort and security of our homes... not in front of a crazed man menacingly approaching us with a knife in hand.
Training was followed. What this entire debate should be about is whether or not the officer was excessive dealing with this man- not whether or not the officer should have fired at the man.
I have consistently said this event certainly appears excessive; however, I have also said that the man demanded the cops take strong action, whereas some have suggested maybe they should have run away instead.
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But who said that the cops should have (maybe) 'run away' instead?
Honestly, it's tough to argue for these cops given how far they took things.
Again, I support cops using whatever force necessary to prevent harm onto themselves. I don't support a 'pass' to do as they please once the threat is contained.
It'll be interesting to see what happens out of this.
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It'll be interesting indeed.