Michael Brown Shooting

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,241
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    dignin said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

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    Not even close.
    how so not even close??

    the rams are standing in solidarity with a minority who was murdered by a government employee. i can see the similarity.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    dignin said:

    http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/1/7314685/after-ferguson-obama-announces-funding-for-police-body-cameras

    Obama announces funding for 50,000 police body cameras

    republicans will attempt to block it. guaranteed.
    Agree. If the police unions lobby against it, will be interesting to see the GOP siding with a union lol
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,241
    ST. LOUIS – The St. Louis Police Officers Association has released a statement condemning the St. Louis Rams football players who entered the field displaying the "hands up don't shoot" pose.

    A spokesman for the St. Louis Rams says the team was unaware of the demonstration before the game.

    St. Louis, Missouri (November 30, 2014) – The St. Louis Police Officers Association is profoundly disappointed with the members of the St. Louis Rams football team who chose to ignore the mountains of evidence released from the St. Louis County Grand Jury this week and engage in a display that police officers around the nation found tasteless, offensive and inflammatory.
    "Five members of the Rams entered the field today exhibiting the "hands-up-don't-shoot" pose that has been adopted by protestors who accused Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson of murdering Michael Brown. The gesture has become synonymous with assertions that Michael Brown was innocent of any wrongdoing and attempting to surrender peacefully when Wilson, according to some now-discredited witnesses, gunned him down in cold blood.
    "SLPOA Business Manager Jeff Roorda said, "now that the evidence is in and Officer Wilson's account has been verified by physical and ballistic evidence as well as eye-witness testimony, which led the grand jury to conclude that no probable cause existed that Wilson engaged in any wrongdoing, it is unthinkable that hometown athletes would so publicly perpetuate a narrative that has been disproven over-and-over again."
    "Roorda was incensed that the Rams and the NFL would tolerate such behavior and called it remarkably hypocritical. "All week long, the Rams and the NFL were on the phone with the St. Louis Police Department asking for assurances that the players and the fans would be kept safe from the violent protesters who had rioted, looted, and burned buildings in Ferguson. Our officers have been working 12 hour shifts for over a week, they had days off including Thanksgiving cancelled so that they could defend this community from those on the streets that perpetuate this myth that Michael Brown was executed by a brother police officer and then, as the players and their fans sit safely in their dome under the watchful protection of hundreds of St. Louis's finest, they take to the turf to call a now-exonerated officer a murderer, that is way out-of-bounds, to put it in football parlance," Roorda said.
    "The SLPOA is calling for the players involved to be disciplined and for the Rams and the NFL to deliver a very public apology. Roorda said he planned to speak to the NFL and the Rams to voice his organization's displeasure tomorrow. He also plans to reach out to other police organizations in St. Louis and around the country to enlist their input on what the appropriate response from law enforcement should be. Roorda warned, "I know that there are those that will say that these players are simply exercising their First Amendment rights. Well I've got news for people who think that way, cops have first amendment rights too, and we plan to exercise ours. I'd remind the NFL and their players that it is not the violent thugs burning down buildings that buy their advertiser's products. It's cops and the good people of St. Louis and other NFL towns that do. Somebody needs to throw a flag on this play. If it's not the NFL and the Rams, then it'll be cops and their supporters."

    rian McCarthy, vice president of communications for the National Football League released the following statement Monday morning:

    "We respect and understand the concerns of all individuals who have expressed views on this tragic situation."

    http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/11/30/stl-police-officers-association-condemns-rams-display/19721979/
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,241
    to my last post i just have to say "boo fucking hoo" to the cops.

    this union is using its power to try to stymie 1st amendment protected speech. the cops are offended. i think it is dangerous ground when a union of state employees is trying to stifle the speech of a handful of athletes, who also have a powerful union.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,241
    rgambs said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    dignin said:

    http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/1/7314685/after-ferguson-obama-announces-funding-for-police-body-cameras

    Obama announces funding for 50,000 police body cameras

    republicans will attempt to block it. guaranteed.
    Agree. If the police unions lobby against it, will be interesting to see the GOP siding with a union lol
    and then we will all get to call the gop hypocrites.

    if obama supports anything at all, the gop has to fundamentally disagree with it.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    gimmesometruth27 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    dignin said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

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    Not even close.
    how so not even close??

    the rams are standing in solidarity with a minority who was murdered by a government employee. i can see the similarity.
    One features an Olympic hero demonstrating strength against Aryan ideology. A classic social moment at a most important time.

    The other features some athletes standing in solidarity with a criminal 'murdered' after trying to assault a police officer. A misguided attempt that tried to speak for a very appropriate cause... using the wrong case to do so.
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    They could've used the guy in the city that was choked to death and on camera.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    dignin said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    image

    image
    Not even close.
    how so not even close??

    the rams are standing in solidarity with a minority who was murdered by a government employee. i can see the similarity.
    One features an Olympic hero demonstrating strength against Aryan ideology. A classic social moment at a most important time.

    The other features some athletes standing in solidarity with a criminal 'murdered' after trying to assault a police officer. A misguided attempt that tried to speak for a very appropriate cause... using the wrong case to do so.
    Based on the DW photos you make an excellent point with "trying" to assault a police officer.
    10 total punches, 2 that connected and fear that a third would be fatal on a fair complexion police officer with the only mark hardly noticeable on the far right side of his face.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited December 2014
    The thugs that burned down buildings may just be law enforcement. The owners of advanced auto parts may want to look a little deeper into the events that unfolded in their parking lot the night the gj was announced. The place was being guarded by police but still burned down. Good thing the national guard was called and had 8 days to prepare for protecting the community and businesses.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Great piece on roorda...

    http://fusion.net/story/30785/the-man-behind-st-louis-polices-nfl-comments-has-a-history-of-controversy/?hootPostID=6160c9d39e3a56bfd5c828f217aa5d7b

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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    badbrains said:

    They could've used the guy in the city that was choked to death and on camera.

    How would they have done so? There is no signal they could have used that anyone would recognize.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    rgambs said:

    badbrains said:

    They could've used the guy in the city that was choked to death and on camera.

    How would they have done so? There is no signal they could have used that anyone would recognize.
    The video did nothing to prevent the murder or indict the cop all it did was get the video-er beaten and arrested.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    The more i hear about the physical evidence corroborating Wilson's story the more i wonder if the evidence was leaked to Wilson and his attorneys by other cops or by the union rep during the 5 weeks leading up to his gj testimony.
    Besides botching the case at every turn we know the ferguson pd lies repeatedly and rapes pregnant women, not a stretch for them to leak details.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    badbrains said:

    You guys ever wonder if this is what our government wants? U ever wonder if this was the plan a along to flood the tv with this issue while they're doing shady shit and the news ain't covering it? I have my own beliefs and wouldn't doubt this is the case. Everyone's talking about this issue yet all the shit our military is doing goes unannounced or talked about on the news. A little smoke and mirrors perhaps?

    so you think our government planned the death of a young man and ruined the career of a young police officer just to create a "smoke and mirrors" effict to hide thier dirty deeds ?.....
    that a pretty far reach man.

    Godfather.

  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    pjhawks said:

    shockingly Michael Brown was a suspect in a strong armed robbery (of a clerk half his size no less) and is why there were stopped. when you wanna act like a gangster sometimes the results aren't so good.


    Did this turn out to be true?
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,387
    edited December 2014
    Godfather. said:

    badbrains said:

    You guys ever wonder if this is what our government wants? U ever wonder if this was the plan a along to flood the tv with this issue while they're doing shady shit and the news ain't covering it? I have my own beliefs and wouldn't doubt this is the case. Everyone's talking about this issue yet all the shit our military is doing goes unannounced or talked about on the news. A little smoke and mirrors perhaps?

    so you think our government planned the death of a young man and ruined the career of a young police officer just to create a "smoke and mirrors" effict to hide thier dirty deeds ?.....
    that a pretty far reach man.

    Godfather.

    You think that one death and one ruined career are enough of a deterrent for the government to stay away from doing something unethical and self-serving? Have you been to Iraq recently?

    For the record Godfather, I think Nart's right to question this, but I'm going with good ol' Occam's Razor on this one, and don't believe the government's up to anything fishy here. With a history of hasty and heavy-handed racially fuelled responses from police officers, this seems to be more of the same, but I see two potential reasons for that:

    1) African-Americans in trouble with the law exhibiting a greater level of disrespect for authority compared to Caucasians.

    2) Police forces, possessing innately racist tendencies, exhibiting a greater level of aggression against African-Americans compared to Caucasians.

    My guess? The reality is probably a combination of the two.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    rr165892 said:

    What if it was ruled a justified shooting.The community will not allow that.So Isnt there pressure to prosecute truth be damned? These folks want blood

    Not so much
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    benjs said:

    Godfather. said:

    badbrains said:

    You guys ever wonder if this is what our government wants? U ever wonder if this was the plan a along to flood the tv with this issue while they're doing shady shit and the news ain't covering it? I have my own beliefs and wouldn't doubt this is the case. Everyone's talking about this issue yet all the shit our military is doing goes unannounced or talked about on the news. A little smoke and mirrors perhaps?

    so you think our government planned the death of a young man and ruined the career of a young police officer just to create a "smoke and mirrors" effict to hide thier dirty deeds ?.....
    that a pretty far reach man.

    Godfather.

    You think that one death and one ruined career are enough of a deterrent for the government to stay away from doing something unethical and self-serving? Have you been to Iraq recently?
    The spontaneity of the event can hardly be suspected as a secret government plot.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    g under p said:

    When all the facts come in.....in the end I don't foresee this officer being arrested or tried for anything. It's just not going to happen, now how the community will react to this down the road is unknown.

    Peace

    Foresight!
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    JC29856 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    dignin said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    image

    image
    Not even close.
    how so not even close??

    the rams are standing in solidarity with a minority who was murdered by a government employee. i can see the similarity.
    One features an Olympic hero demonstrating strength against Aryan ideology. A classic social moment at a most important time.

    The other features some athletes standing in solidarity with a criminal 'murdered' after trying to assault a police officer. A misguided attempt that tried to speak for a very appropriate cause... using the wrong case to do so.
    Based on the DW photos you make an excellent point with "trying" to assault a police officer.
    10 total punches, 2 that connected and fear that a third would be fatal on a fair complexion police officer with the only mark hardly noticeable on the far right side of his face.
    Finally you acknowledge that this guy assaulted the officer!

    I realize this has been difficult for you to accept... so good job. Now if only you could accept the fact that when a person assaults a police officer... they are placing their lives at risk. Police are trained to defend themselves and not be punching bags. Doing so can never turn out well and in some cases- such as this one- assaulting a police officer might even lead to your death.
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