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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    muskydan said:

    callen said:

    muskydan said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    the national guard is here. they were at my work today. my work has been listed as potential target for rioting. we are a hospital, so i don't know what these protesters could gain by protesting us...if anything, we are the ones who will help them when the cops beat them.

    You don't have much to worry about with the rioters attacking your hospital from my experience. They prefer liquor stores, electronic stores, convenient stores, and cellphone stores….you know, the necessities in life. Now if the Black Bloc or other anarchist groups show up they are a tad bit organized and try to take out routes for first responders to hospitals and medical facilities. And if you get one these wonderful human beings w/ a boo boo in your hospital be ever mindful that they hate you too.
    Hate much?
    I doubt you would care much for the Black Bloc and Anarchists if you got urine and human feces thrown at you doing your job trying to protect law abiding citizens and property.
    I don't recall feces or urine either....
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    JC29856 said:

    i feel it necessary to mention this fact... brown was killed more than 108 feet away from the SUV. how did he get at least 108 feet away from the SUV (a chevy tahoe for those that are wondering)?
    did he walk, bike, run, fly, skateboard, scooter?

    What are you arguing?

    Firstly, have you ever been in a fight? These types of events are hardly ones that are contained in a 10 foot circle. For perspective, because I feel you have lost it, 100 feet is just a little bit longer than first base.

    Secondly, the majority on here acknowledge that Wilson seems to have executed Brown. The debate here should lie centered on whether the shooting was justified or not justified. I come from the position that if I had just been in a life or death struggle and gained the upper hand... I don't know how I'd respond when that moment came.

    I know people here say police are trained for such moments... but exactly how do you effectively replicate such training? Of course I think Wilson lost control, but he was pushed into a state of mind that I could not imagine.

    So, as to what I think the debate is centered on... Wilson seems guilty. However, I tire of the incessant implications of race directed at people who try to point out Brown's actions as causal factors. And I also tire of people 'glossing over' Brown's criminal behaviours that ultimately led to this fatal event.
    i am tired of people "glossing over" the pattern of white police officers murdering unarmed black kids in the streets with impunity. i am tired of people glossing over the fact that our police are militarized and they have carte blanche to act as a military unit on their own citizens.

    this case is an example of a systemic problem in this country. if there is no indictment, it just proves that there is no justice for minorities in this country. it just shows that another black kid died for no reason while the killer is not only free to keep living, but free to be free and work in the same line of work to potentially do it again.
    Well said.
  • Empty Glass
    Empty Glass In Rob's shed Posts: 12,329
    JC29856 said:

    muskydan said:

    callen said:

    muskydan said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    the national guard is here. they were at my work today. my work has been listed as potential target for rioting. we are a hospital, so i don't know what these protesters could gain by protesting us...if anything, we are the ones who will help them when the cops beat them.

    You don't have much to worry about with the rioters attacking your hospital from my experience. They prefer liquor stores, electronic stores, convenient stores, and cellphone stores….you know, the necessities in life. Now if the Black Bloc or other anarchist groups show up they are a tad bit organized and try to take out routes for first responders to hospitals and medical facilities. And if you get one these wonderful human beings w/ a boo boo in your hospital be ever mindful that they hate you too.
    Hate much?
    I doubt you would care much for the Black Bloc and Anarchists if you got urine and human feces thrown at you doing your job trying to protect law abiding citizens and property.
    I don't recall feces or urine either....
    http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/26/44-arrested-as-ferguson-protesters-throw-urine-filled-bottles-at-police/

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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    hedonist said:

    JC29856 said:

    hedonist said:

    JC29856 said:

    whispering hands said:

    I admit my facts on Ferguson, and I'm not trying to be in civil. But it's ridiculous to say this kid was murdered. He was WARNED.

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    Please whispering, stick to the facts. We don't know if Brown went for Wilsons gun. That's Wilsons story, why do you take it as gospel?

    Actually the going for the gun isn't from Wilson. The going for the gun is from leaks and/or from Josie"
    I just know I've heard this account from more than one take in this.. And yeah, you'd be surprised how many people think they can do that. And who is Josie? As fir the leaks, a lot if that falls under the lies category, which pisses me off! If him going for the gun was in fact a fabrication then I stand corrected. But I highly doubt it. Yes, it is stupid, but most criminals DO stupid stuff! I can totally see this guy doing this given what he'd already done. Either way, he WAS supposedly warned to stop, or risk being shot. He declined.
    If you don't know who Josie is then you probably should refrain from posting in this thread....and that goes for everybody! Lol
    I had no idea who Josie was either. Why would I? Did a search just now, first time aware of this.

    Please know (and maybe be considerate of the fact) that not everyone is following every single item out there on this - and yet still can contribute thoughts same as anyone.

    Despite the "lol", couldn't tell if you were being condescending or genuinely kidding.

    Is it that much to ask that people know wtf they are talking about? You think Josie falls under the every little detail?
    Like i said if your commenting here and don't know about Josie then you probably shouldn't comment at all....but I'm glad i could shed light on Josie for those that don't know wtf they're talking about.
    But there ya go - instead of the incredulous point-and-laugh stance of "how can you not know this?", sharing of information might go a longer way.

    I've been learning much via the Israel threads from people making their points reasonably and without disdain for those who may not be as informed. And, I've made a few comments in them (without fear OR retribution!).

    What are you afraid of? Retribution? How?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    I answered your question. But thanks, I'm not looking for anymore friends.

    What? Explain?
    Still figuring this doooosy out?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    muskydan said:

    rr165892 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    muskydan said:

    JC29856 said:

    How preposterous!


    http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/police-officials-respond-to-rules-of-engagement-sought-for-ferguson/article_3f747e2c-eca1-529e-ac3c-f2aa4d2df0f8.html?mobile_touch=true

    Exactly, thanks 4 sharing. I am sure the other guy will be giddy. Now go find the requests that were omitted from that rag.
    I'd be curious to know what those 'other' requests are.

    Is there even the slightest chance that the inevitable protest can be held in a peaceful manner? I'm not feeling too optimistic, but it would be awesome if people could demonstrate their message without tipping cars, throwing things, and lighting things on fire.
    Not going to happen.This will be a shit show.Someone will provoke law enforcement to solicite a response.Then the agenda of division and painting law enforcement as militant thugs will be achieved.I ask what would the protesters gain from this?
    I concur, just ask those Peaceful Black Panthers arrested by the FBI for possessing Pipe bombs yesterday in St. lousey ...



    .

    Nope turned out there were no pipe bombs
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JimmyV said:

    I have a hard time believing the grand jury is delaying making a decision because they want to incite violence.

    I have a hard time believe prosecutor mccsweaty announced it so late at night.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    JC29856 said:

    hedonist said:

    JC29856 said:

    hedonist said:

    JC29856 said:

    whispering hands said:

    I admit my facts on Ferguson, and I'm not trying to be in civil. But it's ridiculous to say this kid was murdered. He was WARNED.

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    Please whispering, stick to the facts. We don't know if Brown went for Wilsons gun. That's Wilsons story, why do you take it as gospel?

    Actually the going for the gun isn't from Wilson. The going for the gun is from leaks and/or from Josie"
    I just know I've heard this account from more than one take in this.. And yeah, you'd be surprised how many people think they can do that. And who is Josie? As fir the leaks, a lot if that falls under the lies category, which pisses me off! If him going for the gun was in fact a fabrication then I stand corrected. But I highly doubt it. Yes, it is stupid, but most criminals DO stupid stuff! I can totally see this guy doing this given what he'd already done. Either way, he WAS supposedly warned to stop, or risk being shot. He declined.
    If you don't know who Josie is then you probably should refrain from posting in this thread....and that goes for everybody! Lol
    I had no idea who Josie was either. Why would I? Did a search just now, first time aware of this.

    Please know (and maybe be considerate of the fact) that not everyone is following every single item out there on this - and yet still can contribute thoughts same as anyone.

    Despite the "lol", couldn't tell if you were being condescending or genuinely kidding.

    Is it that much to ask that people know wtf they are talking about? You think Josie falls under the every little detail?
    Like i said if your commenting here and don't know about Josie then you probably shouldn't comment at all....but I'm glad i could shed light on Josie for those that don't know wtf they're talking about.
    But there ya go - instead of the incredulous point-and-laugh stance of "how can you not know this?", sharing of information might go a longer way.

    I've been learning much via the Israel threads from people making their points reasonably and without disdain for those who may not be as informed. And, I've made a few comments in them (without fear OR retribution!).

    What are you afraid of? Retribution? How?
    Jesus, are you going back and randomly bumping older posts with little quips? I'm not sure how one can fairly digest everything when quoting and bumping and posting (oh my!) within one or two minutes.

    Who said anything about being afraid? I spoke to being able to share my opinions without being met with anger, condescension and the like.

    Thought my post to you was reasonable. If you don't think so, please explain. Otherwise, it seems like just trying to stir up shit.

    (that's just my opinion; I could be wrong)

  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    JC29856 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    The officer "tried to thrust his door open but we were so close to it that it ricocheted off us and it bounced back to him."

    and...

    The officer "reached his arm out the window and grabbed my friend around his neck" (and tried to pull him into the car).

    These don't seem plausible.

    Why not?
    Door opening and ricocheting off someone? More like door was pushed back.

    Brown wasn't a munchkin. Unless Wilson had plasticity powers... I'm not sure how he would, while sitting in his cruiser, reach up and grab Brown by the neck. Further, why would he try to pull Brown into the car on top of him? What could he possibly hope to gain from achieving that?
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    hedonist said:

    JC29856 said:

    hedonist said:

    JC29856 said:

    hedonist said:

    JC29856 said:

    whispering hands said:

    I admit my facts on Ferguson, and I'm not trying to be in civil. But it's ridiculous to say this kid was murdered. He was WARNED.

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    Please whispering, stick to the facts. We don't know if Brown went for Wilsons gun. That's Wilsons story, why do you take it as gospel?

    Actually the going for the gun isn't from Wilson. The going for the gun is from leaks and/or from Josie"
    I just know I've heard this account from more than one take in this.. And yeah, you'd be surprised how many people think they can do that. And who is Josie? As fir the leaks, a lot if that falls under the lies category, which pisses me off! If him going for the gun was in fact a fabrication then I stand corrected. But I highly doubt it. Yes, it is stupid, but most criminals DO stupid stuff! I can totally see this guy doing this given what he'd already done. Either way, he WAS supposedly warned to stop, or risk being shot. He declined.
    If you don't know who Josie is then you probably should refrain from posting in this thread....and that goes for everybody! Lol
    I had no idea who Josie was either. Why would I? Did a search just now, first time aware of this.

    Please know (and maybe be considerate of the fact) that not everyone is following every single item out there on this - and yet still can contribute thoughts same as anyone.

    Despite the "lol", couldn't tell if you were being condescending or genuinely kidding.

    Is it that much to ask that people know wtf they are talking about? You think Josie falls under the every little detail?
    Like i said if your commenting here and don't know about Josie then you probably shouldn't comment at all....but I'm glad i could shed light on Josie for those that don't know wtf they're talking about.
    But there ya go - instead of the incredulous point-and-laugh stance of "how can you not know this?", sharing of information might go a longer way.

    I've been learning much via the Israel threads from people making their points reasonably and without disdain for those who may not be as informed. And, I've made a few comments in them (without fear OR retribution!).

    What are you afraid of? Retribution? How?
    Jesus, are you going back and randomly bumping older posts with little quips? I'm not sure how one can fairly digest everything when quoting and bumping and posting (oh my!) within one or two minutes.

    Who said anything about being afraid? I spoke to being able to share my opinions without being met with anger, condescension and the like.

    Thought my post to you was reasonable. If you don't think so, please explain. Otherwise, it seems like just trying to stir up shit.

    (that's just my opinion; I could be wrong)

    I believe you said you feared retribution. Your post was reasonable, I'm just asking a question to gain a better understanding. Im wondering if i should be afraid of something, that's all.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    JC29856 said:

    Godfather. said:

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/17/us/ferguson-state-of-emergency/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    prepare to be lutted,robbed,raped and beat to death if the white guy walks...sounds horrible I know but in my opinion that's why this case is so out of control and the media can't wait to fuel the fire.

    Godfather.

    GF was 1 for 3...I'm counting lutting and robbing as the same thing
    :))
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,320
    Irony is that the team the Rams played this weekend was The Raiders.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    JC29856 said:

    hedonist said:

    JC29856 said:

    hedonist said:

    JC29856 said:

    hedonist said:

    JC29856 said:

    whispering hands said:

    I admit my facts on Ferguson, and I'm not trying to be in civil. But it's ridiculous to say this kid was murdered. He was WARNED.

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    Please whispering, stick to the facts. We don't know if Brown went for Wilsons gun. That's Wilsons story, why do you take it as gospel?

    Actually the going for the gun isn't from Wilson. The going for the gun is from leaks and/or from Josie"
    I just know I've heard this account from more than one take in this.. And yeah, you'd be surprised how many people think they can do that. And who is Josie? As fir the leaks, a lot if that falls under the lies category, which pisses me off! If him going for the gun was in fact a fabrication then I stand corrected. But I highly doubt it. Yes, it is stupid, but most criminals DO stupid stuff! I can totally see this guy doing this given what he'd already done. Either way, he WAS supposedly warned to stop, or risk being shot. He declined.
    If you don't know who Josie is then you probably should refrain from posting in this thread....and that goes for everybody! Lol
    I had no idea who Josie was either. Why would I? Did a search just now, first time aware of this.

    Please know (and maybe be considerate of the fact) that not everyone is following every single item out there on this - and yet still can contribute thoughts same as anyone.

    Despite the "lol", couldn't tell if you were being condescending or genuinely kidding.

    Is it that much to ask that people know wtf they are talking about? You think Josie falls under the every little detail?
    Like i said if your commenting here and don't know about Josie then you probably shouldn't comment at all....but I'm glad i could shed light on Josie for those that don't know wtf they're talking about.
    But there ya go - instead of the incredulous point-and-laugh stance of "how can you not know this?", sharing of information might go a longer way.

    I've been learning much via the Israel threads from people making their points reasonably and without disdain for those who may not be as informed. And, I've made a few comments in them (without fear OR retribution!).

    What are you afraid of? Retribution? How?
    Jesus, are you going back and randomly bumping older posts with little quips? I'm not sure how one can fairly digest everything when quoting and bumping and posting (oh my!) within one or two minutes.

    Who said anything about being afraid? I spoke to being able to share my opinions without being met with anger, condescension and the like.

    Thought my post to you was reasonable. If you don't think so, please explain. Otherwise, it seems like just trying to stir up shit.

    (that's just my opinion; I could be wrong)

    I believe you said you feared retribution. Your post was reasonable, I'm just asking a question to gain a better understanding. Im wondering if i should be afraid of something, that's all.
    You quoted me, man. I assumed you read it first?

  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,320
    A couple random thoughts on police body cameras ...

    * Whichever company makes body cameras must be drooling right now.

    * It's odd that the activist are in favor of an Orwellian policy put in place

    * If a 30 year old dork can loot the NSA main stronghold, imagine all the potential crime scene data spread among thousands of police stations with crappy servers. TMZ must be drooling right now.

    * I hope the Russian people catch on to wearing body cameras.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    hedonist said:

    JC29856 said:

    hedonist said:

    JC29856 said:

    hedonist said:

    JC29856 said:

    hedonist said:

    JC29856 said:

    whispering hands said:

    I admit my facts on Ferguson, and I'm not trying to be in civil. But it's ridiculous to say this kid was murdered. He was WARNED.

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    Please whispering, stick to the facts. We don't know if Brown went for Wilsons gun. That's Wilsons story, why do you take it as gospel?

    Actually the going for the gun isn't from Wilson. The going for the gun is from leaks and/or from Josie"
    I just know I've heard this account from more than one take in this.. And yeah, you'd be surprised how many people think they can do that. And who is Josie? As fir the leaks, a lot if that falls under the lies category, which pisses me off! If him going for the gun was in fact a fabrication then I stand corrected. But I highly doubt it. Yes, it is stupid, but most criminals DO stupid stuff! I can totally see this guy doing this given what he'd already done. Either way, he WAS supposedly warned to stop, or risk being shot. He declined.
    If you don't know who Josie is then you probably should refrain from posting in this thread....and that goes for everybody! Lol
    I had no idea who Josie was either. Why would I? Did a search just now, first time aware of this.

    Please know (and maybe be considerate of the fact) that not everyone is following every single item out there on this - and yet still can contribute thoughts same as anyone.

    Despite the "lol", couldn't tell if you were being condescending or genuinely kidding.

    Is it that much to ask that people know wtf they are talking about? You think Josie falls under the every little detail?
    Like i said if your commenting here and don't know about Josie then you probably shouldn't comment at all....but I'm glad i could shed light on Josie for those that don't know wtf they're talking about.
    But there ya go - instead of the incredulous point-and-laugh stance of "how can you not know this?", sharing of information might go a longer way.

    I've been learning much via the Israel threads from people making their points reasonably and without disdain for those who may not be as informed. And, I've made a few comments in them (without fear OR retribution!).

    What are you afraid of? Retribution? How?
    Jesus, are you going back and randomly bumping older posts with little quips? I'm not sure how one can fairly digest everything when quoting and bumping and posting (oh my!) within one or two minutes.

    Who said anything about being afraid? I spoke to being able to share my opinions without being met with anger, condescension and the like.

    Thought my post to you was reasonable. If you don't think so, please explain. Otherwise, it seems like just trying to stir up shit.

    (that's just my opinion; I could be wrong)

    I believe you said you feared retribution. Your post was reasonable, I'm just asking a question to gain a better understanding. Im wondering if i should be afraid of something, that's all.
    You quoted me, man. I assumed you read it first?

    My apologies, I thought you meant that unlike other threads (Israel) you cant post in this one without fear or retribution.
    My misunderstanding.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Darren Wilson changed his story click the link.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2857630/EXCLUSIVE-Darren-Wilson-changed-crucial-elements-story-aftermath-shooting-Michael-Brown-dead-including-knew-teenager-wanted-thief.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus

    Consistent with the chief initially sayind Wilson had no knowledge of the robbery.

    That's old news the real headline is...Why didn't the prosecution grill Wilson like they grilled the other witnesses over "inconsistent testimony"?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Prosecutorial Misconduct interesting read

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/shocking-mistake-prosecutorial-misconduct-mike-brown-case/
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    lets all get over it already.....the cop walked and business were robbed and burned to the ground and it was not a race issue because those people would have rioted if a black cop shot a white thug right ?.......good grief !


    Godfather.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818

    You guys are right, it's about f$cking time we got rid of the police & let criminals do their thing in peace.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited December 2014
    Read this from the prosecutor and ignore that she handed jurors bad informing/law to rely on.

    “Previously in the very beginning of this process I printed out a statute for you that was, the statute in Missouri for the use of force to affect an arrest. So if you all want to get those out. What we have discovered and we have been going along with this, doing our research, is that the statute in the state of Missouri does not comply with the case law. This doesn’t sound probably unfamiliar with you that the law is codified in the written form in the books and they’re called statutes, but courts interpret those statutes.
    And so the statute for the use of force to affect an arrest in the state of Missouri does not comply with Missouri supreme, I’m sorry, United States supreme court cases.
    So the statue I gave you, if you want to fold that in half just so that you know don’t necessarily rely on that because there is a portion of that that doesn’t comply with the law.”


    “That does correctly state what the law is on when an officer can use force and when he can use Deadly Force in affecting an arrest, okay. I don’t want you to get confused and don’t rely on that copy or that print-out of the statute that I’ve given you a long time ago.
    It is not entirely incorrect or inaccurate, but there is something in it that’s not correct, ignore it totally” Alizadeh stated.

    I need an interpreter, so did the jury.

    Confused, presumably by the lack of explanation, one juror asked if Federal court overrides Missouri statutes. Her reply? “As far as you need to know, just don’t worry about that.”

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