Michael Brown Shooting

Stickman12

mickeyrat said:

Gern Blansten said:

ejleonjr said:

Gern Blansten said:

ejleonjr said:

This is really ridiculous. We should protest more whenever someone robs a store and attacks a cop. I consider those who are protesting and supporting lawlessness to be on the same level as those Westboro baptist church waco's

I would imagine that if someone robbed a store and attacked a cop and no charges resulted that there would be some protesting.

Agreed, but still dont understand why people are protesting in support of a criminal and criticizing the police officer who did what he was trained to do. Its not a race issue, but those who are out there yelling with their hands in the air are making it into one.

White cop/Black kid....definitely a race issue

Death isn't the usual result of jaywalking and/or stealing cigars. A lot of outrage exists at how the grand jury process was handled. There are definitely some strange things that happened.

to start , much of the uproar stems from the simple fact that at the time of the stop and subsequent shooting it wasn't known by wilson that brown was the suspect in the convenience store deal. their contact was wholly about him being in the middle of the street.

I question more so now than before that while the forensics support wilsons report , it still doesnt say why LETHAL force was neccessary for an unarmed man? WHY couldnt NONLETHAL force have been used FIRST such as a taser? Meaning after wilson got out of his car , use the taser.

Good questions. Do we know if he was equipped with a taser?? Also what is the protocol and training for this situation?? Does the fact that there were two individuals instead of one at the initial confrontation disqualify the taser as an option? Does the physical size of the brown and wilson respectively escalate the use of force??

Gern Blansten

mickeyrat said:

Gern Blansten said:

ejleonjr said:

Gern Blansten said:

ejleonjr said:

This is really ridiculous. We should protest more whenever someone robs a store and attacks a cop. I consider those who are protesting and supporting lawlessness to be on the same level as those Westboro baptist church waco's

I would imagine that if someone robbed a store and attacked a cop and no charges resulted that there would be some protesting.

Agreed, but still dont understand why people are protesting in support of a criminal and criticizing the police officer who did what he was trained to do. Its not a race issue, but those who are out there yelling with their hands in the air are making it into one.

White cop/Black kid....definitely a race issue

Death isn't the usual result of jaywalking and/or stealing cigars. A lot of outrage exists at how the grand jury process was handled. There are definitely some strange things that happened.

to start , much of the uproar stems from the simple fact that at the time of the stop and subsequent shooting it wasn't known by wilson that brown was the suspect in the convenience store deal. their contact was wholly about him being in the middle of the street.

I question more so now than before that while the forensics support wilsons report , it still doesnt say why LETHAL force was neccessary for an unarmed man? WHY couldnt NONLETHAL force have been used FIRST such as a taser? Meaning after wilson got out of his car , use the taser.

http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/why-many-blacks-dont-believe-darren-wilson

JC29856

And again...dw doesn't carry a taser, said they are too big and bulky

benjs

ejleonjr said:

Gern Blansten said:

ejleonjr said:

Gern Blansten said:

ejleonjr said:

This is really ridiculous. We should protest more whenever someone robs a store and attacks a cop. I consider those who are protesting and supporting lawlessness to be on the same level as those Westboro baptist church waco's

I would imagine that if someone robbed a store and attacked a cop and no charges resulted that there would be some protesting.

Agreed, but still dont understand why people are protesting in support of a criminal and criticizing the police officer who did what he was trained to do. Its not a race issue, but those who are out there yelling with their hands in the air are making it into one.

White cop/Black kid....definitely a race issue

Death isn't the usual result of jaywalking and/or stealing cigars. A lot of outrage exists at how the grand jury process was handled. There are definitely some strange things that happened.

Glen, I understand what you are saying but we have laws and a judicial system. I just cant get over how someone robs a store, attacks the employee, attacks a cop physically, refuses to obey simple orders from the cop, and puts himself into this situation that we see today,the consequence is he gets shot because the cop feared for his life but people are protesting in favor of this criminal. Im not saying anything here is perfect and cut and dry but why glorify criminal and lawlessness. I think the travon martin shooting was more entitled to these protests. Blacks are making it a race issue. I live near chicago and they shoot each other everyday without any protest or action. Black person shoots anyone regaurdless of race....no protest. Black person gets shot by someone other than a black person and here come the protests, al sharpton, and jessie jackson.

Not all of us are protesting in favour of a cop or a citizen. For example, I think that the evidence-gathering process is incredibly flawed, and there's clear evidence to that effect: this same scenario keeps repeating itself. You don't need to glorify criminal action or lawlessness to say that an uncompromising commitment to the pursuit of "truth" in its most impartial form is a noble objective we should all be in favour of. You may say that blacks are making it a race issue, and they're welcome to, but that's not the message we're all trying to make here.

JC29856

Gern Blansten said:

mickeyrat said:

Gern Blansten said:

ejleonjr said:

Gern Blansten said:

ejleonjr said:

This is really ridiculous. We should protest more whenever someone robs a store and attacks a cop. I consider those who are protesting and supporting lawlessness to be on the same level as those Westboro baptist church waco's

I would imagine that if someone robbed a store and attacked a cop and no charges resulted that there would be some protesting.

Agreed, but still dont understand why people are protesting in support of a criminal and criticizing the police officer who did what he was trained to do. Its not a race issue, but those who are out there yelling with their hands in the air are making it into one.

White cop/Black kid....definitely a race issue

Death isn't the usual result of jaywalking and/or stealing cigars. A lot of outrage exists at how the grand jury process was handled. There are definitely some strange things that happened.

to start , much of the uproar stems from the simple fact that at the time of the stop and subsequent shooting it wasn't known by wilson that brown was the suspect in the convenience store deal. their contact was wholly about him being in the middle of the street.

I question more so now than before that while the forensics support wilsons report , it still doesnt say why LETHAL force was neccessary for an unarmed man? WHY couldnt NONLETHAL force have been used FIRST such as a taser? Meaning after wilson got out of his car , use the taser.

http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/why-many-blacks-dont-believe-darren-wilson

My 2 favorites from Wilson's gj testimony
1. Brown with 1 hand overpowered Wilson and turned his gun around aiming it at Wilson down at his lap as if to shoot him
2. Brown all the while pausing to hand Johnson the cigars

We're to believe that a gun turned around on someone holding it didn't go off and/or didn't break or fracture the gun holders wrist or hand?
We're to believe that Brown while trying to kill Wilson with one hand either by fatal punch or gunshot, stops and hands Johnson $7.89 worth of cigars?

JC29856

Ive wondered why the prosecution didn't make Wilson re-enact the gun struggle with the unloaded sig Sauer gun. Specifically with the help of someone else re-enact how the gun was turned on him?
Why didn't they make him show the jury how Brown with one hand turned the gun and placed a finger in the trigger?

Where was the fingerprint forensics and dna forensics on the handle and trigger anyway?

rgambs

JC29856 said:

Ive wondered why the prosecution didn't make Wilson re-enact the gun struggle with the unloaded sig Sauer gun. Specifically with the help of someone else re-enact how the gun was turned on him?
Why didn't they make him show the jury how Brown with one hand turned the gun and placed a finger in the trigger?

Where was the fingerprint forensics and dna forensics on the handle and trigger anyway?

In relation to benjs' point about evidence gathering, due process, and the quest for truth, (which was a great point from him, as always) I would say a better question is why was Wilson testifying in the first place? It is not a typical piece of the grand jury process, and is usually reserved for trial.

badbrains

You guys ever wonder if this is what our government wants? U ever wonder if this was the plan a along to flood the tv with this issue while they're doing shady shit and the news ain't covering it? I have my own beliefs and wouldn't doubt this is the case. Everyone's talking about this issue yet all the shit our military is doing goes unannounced or talked about on the news. A little smoke and mirrors perhaps?

mickeyrat

JC29856 said:

And again...dw doesn't carry a taser, said they are too big and bulky

so then the question is what means or methods of nonlethal force is available to subdue a suspect or noncompliant individual?
Why wasnt this used after getting out of the car?

Last-12-Exit

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

Ive wondered why the prosecution didn't make Wilson re-enact the gun struggle with the unloaded sig Sauer gun. Specifically with the help of someone else re-enact how the gun was turned on him?
Why didn't they make him show the jury how Brown with one hand turned the gun and placed a finger in the trigger?

Where was the fingerprint forensics and dna forensics on the handle and trigger anyway?

In relation to benjs' point about evidence gathering, due process, and the quest for truth, (which was a great point from him, as always) I would say a better question is why was Wilson testifying in the first place? It is not a typical piece of the grand jury process, and is usually reserved for trial.

When do you veer bear of a defendant taking the stand? The only recent case I can think of is Casey Anthony. I don't know if it is normal for a defendant to talk to a GJ.

gimmesometruth27

yesterday some Rams players walked out onto the field doing the "hands up don't shoot" sign.

white st louisians are angry...

go figure...

these people give ZERO fucks about the rams for the last 6 years, and now everybody is calling local sports radio to call the rams players racist...

gimmesometruth27

dignin

gimmesometruth27 said:

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

Ive wondered why the prosecution didn't make Wilson re-enact the gun struggle with the unloaded sig Sauer gun. Specifically with the help of someone else re-enact how the gun was turned on him?
Why didn't they make him show the jury how Brown with one hand turned the gun and placed a finger in the trigger?

Where was the fingerprint forensics and dna forensics on the handle and trigger anyway?

In relation to benjs' point about evidence gathering, due process, and the quest for truth, (which was a great point from him, as always) I would say a better question is why was Wilson testifying in the first place? It is not a typical piece of the grand jury process, and is usually reserved for trial.

When do you veer bear of a defendant taking the stand? The only recent case I can think of is Casey Anthony. I don't know if it is normal for a defendant to talk to a GJ.

Defendants testify all the time to a petit jury, and call witnesses on their behalf. A defendant doesn't have explicitly have the right to testify to a grand jury, or call witnesses on their behalf. This official government website is a brief summary of the difference from a jury perspective.
http://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/get-informed/federal-court-basics/jury-service-federal-courts/comparing-trial-juries-grand-juries.aspx

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Despite the fact that some feel Wilson should have acted differently... a big idiot contributed in a significant way towards getting himself shot by a cop- the reasons are well known. This idiot was a black guy. Claim racism all you want, but it's weak here given Brown attacked Wilson. Wilson may be a racist, but it doesn't really matter- he was assaulted. Wilson very well may have shot a greasy long haired skid under the same circumstances.

A freakin' 12 year old was gunned down by a white cop in Cleveland for brandishing a toy gun in a playground/park. Hang your hat on that incident and you'll knock it out of the park for the issue some are pushing here.

I won't deny that there is a significant element of racial profiling in the US. I'm saying that before the US is ever to get to the point where the statistics aren't grossly disproportionate... not every case will support the cause. In my opinion... the Brown case is one of that variety.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Not even close.

dignin

http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/1/7314685/after-ferguson-obama-announces-funding-for-police-body-cameras

Obama announces funding for 50,000 police body cameras

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin said:

http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/1/7314685/after-ferguson-obama-announces-funding-for-police-body-cameras

Obama announces funding for 50,000 police body cameras

A no-brainer. Nice.

gimmesometruth27

dignin said:

http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/1/7314685/after-ferguson-obama-announces-funding-for-police-body-cameras

Obama announces funding for 50,000 police body cameras

republicans will attempt to block it. guaranteed.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

gimmesometruth27 said:

dignin said:

http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/1/7314685/after-ferguson-obama-announces-funding-for-police-body-cameras

Obama announces funding for 50,000 police body cameras

republicans will block it. guaranteed.

No way man. Those guys are awesome.