Michael Brown Shooting

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Why does anyone have the opinion that only black people are born into poverty? How in the world can you assume that I wasn't born into poverty? Because I am not in jail? Or because I respect police officers? Because I'm white?

JC29856

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Why does anyone have the opinion that only black people are born into poverty? How in the world can you assume that I wasn't born into poverty? Because I am not in jail? Or because I respect police officers? Because I'm white?

http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/14poverty.cfm

Poverty line for a family of 4 $23,850

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Plus, this is the Michael Brown thread. It's pointless to keep linking all of the other police injustices. Its difficult enough to keep up with this case without bringing up the others. Start new threads. My opinion will flow just fine there.

rgambs

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Why does anyone have the opinion that only black people are born into poverty? How in the world can you assume that I wasn't born into poverty? Because I am not in jail? Or because I respect police officers? Because I'm white?

Where I am from the people born into poverty ARE white, and they don't experience half the bullshit that middle class African Americans face. They do lots of drugs, they disrespect authority, they are on the dole, they have tons of kids out of marriage, they drink and drive, and their culture is distasteful... but they don't face police discrimination, they aren't constantly judged by their color, and they don't face nearly as much prejudice about their idiotic behaviors. Hillbilly and redneck are almost neutral words that evoke a chuckle from most, as if their low-class culture is acceptable but the hip-hop low-class culture isn't.

callen

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rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Why does anyone have the opinion that only black people are born into poverty? How in the world can you assume that I wasn't born into poverty? Because I am not in jail? Or because I respect police officers? Because I'm white?

Where I am from the people born into poverty ARE white, and they don't experience half the bullshit that middle class African Americans face. They do lots of drugs, they disrespect authority, they are on the dole, they have tons of kids out of marriage, they drink and drive, and their culture is distasteful... but they don't face police discrimination, they aren't constantly judged by their color, and they don't face nearly as much prejudice about their idiotic behaviors. Hillbilly and redneck are almost neutral words that evoke a chuckle from most, as if their low-class culture is acceptable but the hip-hop low-class culture isn't.

Ok. I don't really disagree with you. But you can't discredit a somebodys opinion because they are white.

callen

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Why does anyone have the opinion that only black people are born into poverty? How in the world can you assume that I wasn't born into poverty? Because I am not in jail? Or because I respect police officers? Because I'm white?

Where I am from the people born into poverty ARE white, and they don't experience half the bullshit that middle class African Americans face. They do lots of drugs, they disrespect authority, they are on the dole, they have tons of kids out of marriage, they drink and drive, and their culture is distasteful... but they don't face police discrimination, they aren't constantly judged by their color, and they don't face nearly as much prejudice about their idiotic behaviors. Hillbilly and redneck are almost neutral words that evoke a chuckle from most, as if their low-class culture is acceptable but the hip-hop low-class culture isn't.

Imagine if young black police officers were exclusively out on beat for these poor whites.

rgambs

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rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Why does anyone have the opinion that only black people are born into poverty? How in the world can you assume that I wasn't born into poverty? Because I am not in jail? Or because I respect police officers? Because I'm white?

Where I am from the people born into poverty ARE white, and they don't experience half the bullshit that middle class African Americans face. They do lots of drugs, they disrespect authority, they are on the dole, they have tons of kids out of marriage, they drink and drive, and their culture is distasteful... but they don't face police discrimination, they aren't constantly judged by their color, and they don't face nearly as much prejudice about their idiotic behaviors. Hillbilly and redneck are almost neutral words that evoke a chuckle from most, as if their low-class culture is acceptable but the hip-hop low-class culture isn't.

Ok. I don't really disagree with you. But you can't discredit a somebodys opinion because they are white.

I agree it was a little too much, but I feel where it was coming from. The most common reaction I have heard in real life to MB shooting is on the tone of "blacks are the most racist of all" and "nobody cares when a black kills a white" and it makes you slap your head and say...geez these people have no effin clue how good they have it!

Godfather.

mickeyrat said:

hedonist said:

imalive said:

When a cop tells you to do something, comply. Chances are, you won't get shot.

I know that within every scenario there are different variables, people, mindsets.

But yes...this makes much sense. Common sense.

Last year I got pulled over for expired tags. I was surprised when the officer told me to keep my hands in plain sight (didn't feel I was a threat), but fuck me if I didn't comply. Why wouldn't I?

Very polite and professional fellow, by the way.

for me, average white guy, I decided long ago that I woudl rather the stops ended as quickly as possible. When I have been pulled over the flashers go on, I turn the interior light on , roll window down and hands on the wheel until directed otherwise. When asked fro license and reg , I say my wallet is in front pocket reg in glovebox, etc. Have been met with professionalism and no attitude.

hahah I had this cop behind me for about 6 to 8 blocks I'd turn then he'd turn so when I got to the taco shop I was heading to he was right behind me so I parked and got off my bike and walked to his car as he was getting out of it and I said "hi what's up" and he started laughing and said" i knew you would think I was following you but honestly I'm just going for lunch to the taco shop" as it turns out he was very cool and asked me about H.D's because he was shopping for his first one.

Godfather.

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rgambs said:

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rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Why does anyone have the opinion that only black people are born into poverty? How in the world can you assume that I wasn't born into poverty? Because I am not in jail? Or because I respect police officers? Because I'm white?

Where I am from the people born into poverty ARE white, and they don't experience half the bullshit that middle class African Americans face. They do lots of drugs, they disrespect authority, they are on the dole, they have tons of kids out of marriage, they drink and drive, and their culture is distasteful... but they don't face police discrimination, they aren't constantly judged by their color, and they don't face nearly as much prejudice about their idiotic behaviors. Hillbilly and redneck are almost neutral words that evoke a chuckle from most, as if their low-class culture is acceptable but the hip-hop low-class culture isn't.

Ok. I don't really disagree with you. But you can't discredit a somebodys opinion because they are white.

I agree it was a little too much, but I feel where it was coming from. The most common reaction I have heard in real life to MB shooting is on the tone of "blacks are the most racist of all" and "nobody cares when a black kills a white" and it makes you slap your head and say...geez these people have no effin clue how good they have it!

I'm going to come clean. I was born poor. Far from poverty. Plus, I went through all 13 years of school knowing 3 black people. I knew and grew up with a shit ton of racist people that from what I saw, never even talked to a black person. 99.9% of those I don't talk to today.

That drastically changed when I got into college. I understand that I will never fully understand the plight of the inner city black kid. But that doesn't mean I don't appreciate what (at least my friends) have dealt with being black.

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callen said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Why does anyone have the opinion that only black people are born into poverty? How in the world can you assume that I wasn't born into poverty? Because I am not in jail? Or because I respect police officers? Because I'm white?

Where I am from the people born into poverty ARE white, and they don't experience half the bullshit that middle class African Americans face. They do lots of drugs, they disrespect authority, they are on the dole, they have tons of kids out of marriage, they drink and drive, and their culture is distasteful... but they don't face police discrimination, they aren't constantly judged by their color, and they don't face nearly as much prejudice about their idiotic behaviors. Hillbilly and redneck are almost neutral words that evoke a chuckle from most, as if their low-class culture is acceptable but the hip-hop low-class culture isn't.

Imagine if young black police officers were exclusively out on beat for these poor whites.

I'm sure it's not exclusive to all white cops. I'm willing to bet a large majority don't say to themselves "let's go get us a black man" before their shift.

gimmesometruth27

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

Jason P

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bootlegger10

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

bootlegger10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.

Couldn't have said it any better.

Right the Fuck on!

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gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

They shouldn't cry if the schools get tired of it and start firing teachers and suspending students.

backseatLover12

bootlegger10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.

There's no better lesson than actual real life experience with injustice. Taking a stand and knowing what you believe in is more valuable than any school experience. And all the good teachers know that, that's why they're out there as well.

JC29856

backseatLover12 said:

bootlegger10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.

There's no better lesson than actual real life experience with injustice. Taking a stand and knowing what you believe in is more valuable than any school experience. And all the good teachers know that, that's why they're out there as well.

I like the comparison to a communist country

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Charles Barkley thinks some people are ridiculous with their views on this topic:

Here are some bites from the link (see how I offer a summary versus no description at all?):

"The notion that white cops are out there just killing black people -- that's ridiculous. That's just flat-out ridiculous," the TNT basketball analyst told CNN. "I challenge any black person to try to make that point. Cops are actually awesome. They are the only thing in the ghetto between this place being the wild, wild west. So this notion that cops are out there just killing black men is ridiculous and I hate that narrative coming out of this entire situation."

"We've always had a racial issue in this country and the biggest problem with it is we never discuss race until something bad happens. We never have meaningful dialogue over a cold beer when things are going good," Barkley explained to CNN. "When something bad happens, everybody has a tribe mentality. Everybody wants to protect their own tribe, whether they're right or wrong."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24862869/charles-barkley-speaks-out-on-ferguson-controversy-defends-police

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By the way... this place is becoming shitty to enter.

From my perspective, the MT forum is a sloppy mess at this point in time- bits and bites that do nothing with regards to promoting meaningful discussion.