Michael Brown Shooting

SPEEDY MCCREADY

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.

Big shit one day of them protesting is not gonna hurt them i could see if they were doing this everyday if done once it's to just say people are tired of cops not being held accountable for their actions ....

Sure it may be one day or a week, but it is a symptom of where our school system is. Some teachers are pushing political and social agendas instead of teaching kids.

Be careful.
God forbid you call out the teachers here on the moving train.
Been there done that.
It doesn't end well.

Even though we are becoming a nation of blithering idiots.

How dare you even suggest holding the teachers responsible!

hedonist

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

He wasn't born into the lifestyle he is afforded now.

Thank you. I thought not but didn't want to assume

By the way, I read your post earlier and wanted to reply a couple hours later but couldn't remember where the hell this one was in the many active threads on this subject. Drove me bloody nuts.

And speaking to / of Thirty, a PS to Speedy - much as I come down on the ones who (I feel) deserve it, there are some fine teachers out there, and am happy to vouch for our resident ones!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

hedonist said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

He wasn't born into the lifestyle he is afforded now.

Thank you. I thought not but didn't want to assume

By the way, I read your post earlier and wanted to reply a couple hours later but couldn't remember where the hell this one was in the many active threads on this subject. Drove me bloody nuts.

And speaking to / of Thirty, a PS to Speedy - much as I come down on the ones who (I feel) deserve it, there are some fine teachers out there, and am happy to vouch for our resident ones!

Which post are you referring to?

hedonist

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

He wasn't born into the lifestyle he is afforded now.

Thank you. I thought not but didn't want to assume

By the way, I read your post earlier and wanted to reply a couple hours later but couldn't remember where the hell this one was in the many active threads on this subject. Drove me bloody nuts.

And speaking to / of Thirty, a PS to Speedy - much as I come down on the ones who (I feel) deserve it, there are some fine teachers out there, and am happy to vouch for our resident ones!

Which post are you referring to?

The one I replied to up there. Sometimes I read but don't have the opportunity (or full formation of thought) to reply at the time.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

hedonist said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

He wasn't born into the lifestyle he is afforded now.

Thank you. I thought not but didn't want to assume

By the way, I read your post earlier and wanted to reply a couple hours later but couldn't remember where the hell this one was in the many active threads on this subject. Drove me bloody nuts.

And speaking to / of Thirty, a PS to Speedy - much as I come down on the ones who (I feel) deserve it, there are some fine teachers out there, and am happy to vouch for our resident ones!

Which post are you referring to?

The one I replied to up there. Sometimes I read but don't have the opportunity (or full formation of thought) to reply at the time.

Gotcha. No need to feel like you need to respond to anything though, Hedo. Things will always be cool between you and I.

JC29856

Qualified immunity protects public officials from being sued for damages unless they violated “clearly established” law of which a reasonable official in his position would have known. It aims to protect civil servants from the fear of litigation in performing discretionary functions entrusted to them by law.

The qualified immunity test requires a two-part analysis: "(1) Was the law governing the official's conduct clearly established? (2) Under that law, could a reasonable officer have believed the conduct was lawful?" Government officials performing discretionary functions generally are shielded from liability for civil damages as long as as their conduct does not violate clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known.

JC29856

When politicians issue crowd-pleasing denunciations of "s​pecial interests," they are typically referring to a narrowly prescribed set of industries: oil, banking, pharmaceuticals. Rarely are police lobbyists similarly targeted for scorn. This might be due in part to law enforcement advocates not appearing to engage in conventional "lobbying" activities—they operate under the auspices of groups with innocuous-sounding names like "Police Benevolent Association" or "National Sheriffs Association"—but like other interest groups, these entities advocate single-mindedly on behalf their memberships, frequently to the detriment of the greater good.

Because of the political leverage accumulated over decades (if not centuries) by the police lobby, officers go about their daily beats with certain guarantees. For one, they will alm​ost never be held personally liable for their bad conduct while on duty thanks to well-established doctrines like qualifi​ed immunity, which puts taxpayers on the hook for lawsuits filed as a result of police misconduct or brutality. They can also be assured that a robust formal and informal support network will be set into motion should they ever be accused of anything.

http://www.vice.com/read/the-pernicious-power-of-police-unions?utm_source=vicetwitterus

rgambs

bootlegger10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.

Yeah because our school focus on

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

By the way... this place is becoming shitty to enter.

From my perspective, the MT forum is a sloppy mess at this point in time- bits and bites that do nothing with regards to promoting meaningful discussion.

I think that may be a reflection on your feelings for this topic, and not the train in general. It was just like this when Gaza was being bombed to hell, and when we were fighting over fun rights. I wasn't here, but I would bet it was much worse when we invaded Iraq.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

bootlegger10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.

Yeah because our school focus on

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

By the way... this place is becoming shitty to enter.

From my perspective, the MT forum is a sloppy mess at this point in time- bits and bites that do nothing with regards to promoting meaningful discussion.

I think that may be a reflection on your feelings for this topic, and not the train in general. It was just like this when Gaza was being bombed to hell, and when we were fighting over fun rights. I wasn't here, but I would bet it was much worse when we invaded Iraq.

No. I can deal with the prevalent topic. What I'm personally struggling with is the methodology we are reduced to using trying to discuss this most current issue.

There are no character limits here- it's not Twitter. And while I'm not advocating for essays and certainly can be too long winded at times myself... I find myself getting irritated with strong posts getting buried by a string of posts which feature nothing other than a link with no description or point of view describing it... or a 2 or 3 word blurt that is tantamount to sticking your tongue out at someone.

The moments are increasing in frequency where I don't feel constructing a meaningful post is worth my time. Maybe it's just me and my time on the MT is reaching an expiry date... or maybe this topic has simply run its course? But when I tune in and see the yellow highlight showing '12 new'... I click on the thread and there's really nothing there.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

Stupid, Racially united, liberal?

You forgot.
PIECES OF SHIT!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/05/denver-police-union-says-students-acted-disrespectfully/

hedonist

And yet, that itself is a meaningful post, Thirty.

Know that I, and I'm sure many others, appreciate the thoughtfulness, eloquence and effort put forth by our fellow members.

I do hear you, though.

Gern Blansten

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

bootlegger10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.

Yeah because our school focus on

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

By the way... this place is becoming shitty to enter.

From my perspective, the MT forum is a sloppy mess at this point in time- bits and bites that do nothing with regards to promoting meaningful discussion.

I think that may be a reflection on your feelings for this topic, and not the train in general. It was just like this when Gaza was being bombed to hell, and when we were fighting over fun rights. I wasn't here, but I would bet it was much worse when we invaded Iraq.

No. I can deal with the prevalent topic. What I'm personally struggling with is the methodology we are reduced to using trying to discuss this most current issue.

There are no character limits here- it's not Twitter. And while I'm not advocating for essays and certainly can be too long winded at times myself... I find myself getting irritated with strong posts getting buried by a string of posts which feature nothing other than a link with no description or point of view describing it... or a 2 or 3 word blurt that is tantamount to sticking your tongue out at someone.

The moments are increasing in frequency where I don't feel constructing a meaningful post is worth my time. Maybe it's just me and my time on the MT is reaching an expiry date... or maybe this topic has simply run its course? But when I tune in and see the yellow highlight showing '12 new'... I click on the thread and there's really nothing there.

You don't want to leave here braj....just ignore it

JC29856

Does Thirty live anywhere near west dallas? i hope not

JC29856

Musky?


Looks like police in Chicago have a tricked out surveillance truck equipped with cell site simulators, a.k.a. Stingrays, that force nearby phones to send data to cops instead of to phone company cell towers. Did those cops get a warrant for that?

https://privacysos.org/node/1609#update

mickeyrat

hedonist said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Charles Barkley thinks some people are ridiculous with their views on this topic:

Here are some bites from the link (see how I offer a summary versus no description at all?):

"The notion that white cops are out there just killing black people -- that's ridiculous. That's just flat-out ridiculous," the TNT basketball analyst told CNN. "I challenge any black person to try to make that point. Cops are actually awesome. They are the only thing in the ghetto between this place being the wild, wild west. So this notion that cops are out there just killing black men is ridiculous and I hate that narrative coming out of this entire situation."

"We've always had a racial issue in this country and the biggest problem with it is we never discuss race until something bad happens. We never have meaningful dialogue over a cold beer when things are going good," Barkley explained to CNN. "When something bad happens, everybody has a tribe mentality. Everybody wants to protect their own tribe, whether they're right or wrong."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24862869/charles-barkley-speaks-out-on-ferguson-controversy-defends-police

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/04/opinion/johnson-charles-barkley/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


"Charles Barkley is a very, very rich man, whose fame and celebrity have protected him from the kind of hostility and harassment from the police that thousands of other Americans, especially African-Americans, experience every day. It's easy for Charles Barkley to lecture protesters and looters and mourning families about how to deal with anger. But most Americans can't defuse a "tense" police situation with the aid of celebrity."

I can't help but wonder into the kind of life he was born? Despite his later fame, wealth, etc., did he grow up in similar situations as those posted in this and other threads?

I tried to find something but most I got was that he was born in Birmingham, AL in 1963.

soooo Birmingham in 63. Says enough doesnt it? Coming up in the hotbed of the Civil Rights movement? During the critical time of slight cultural shift with the CR Act signed into law a year later?

hedonist

True, mickey, but enacting a law doesn't necessarily mean that mindsets and behaviors automatically change along with it.

mickeyrat

hedonist said:

True, mickey, but enacting a law doesn't necessarily mean that mindsets and behaviors automatically change along with it.

thats my point in regards to Barkley. He came up there in the midst of that, witnessing when he came to an age to begin to question this stuff. BIG push back at that law in the populace.

I would say his is qualified to speak about racial issues. More so that he is willing to look within as well as call out the bad in others.

hedonist

mickeyrat said:

hedonist said:

True, mickey, but enacting a law doesn't necessarily mean that mindsets and behaviors automatically change along with it.

thats my point in regards to Barkley. He came up there in the midst of that, witnessing when he came to an age to begin to question this stuff. BIG push back at that law in the populace.

I would say his is qualified to speak about racial issues. More so that he is willing to look within as well as call out the bad in others.

OK, I gotcha.

I think we're on the same page here

callen

How do we get better? Think of this whole situation as "the environment". Not placing blame on either party or whites or blacks or police and citizens. . We're just creatures of habit so to solve anything we need to look at " the environment".

Blacks have it harder than whites. Not an excuse but till you acknowledge conversation stops. White cops are scared of black crime, and guess what, rightfully so.

So do we just take sides or do we look at the root of our problems and try to help.

More education, community policing with police force mirroring neighborhood. Stop the racist hate. Castrate CNN and FOX. Be compassionate.

Unfortunately many in power benefit from this strife. It will continue.

muskydan

backseatLover12 said:

bootlegger10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.

There's no better lesson than actual real life experience with injustice. Taking a stand and knowing what you believe in is more valuable than any school experience. And all the good teachers know that, that's why they're out there as well.

JC29856 said:

Musky?


Looks like police in Chicago have a tricked out surveillance truck equipped with cell site simulators, a.k.a. Stingrays, that force nearby phones to send data to cops instead of to phone company cell towers. Did those cops get a warrant for that?

https://privacysos.org/node/1609#update

We have all sorts of fun toys, but I was not aware of that one. If we do I wish I would have known 6 months ago, could have used that tool on my ex-girl...that cheating be-otch!!!!