Michael Brown Shooting

Thirty Bills Unpaid

And for the record, our city had an officer shot in the line of duty two nights ago. He's in critical condition after a traffic stop late at night resulted in the occupants of the vehicle gunning him down.

JC29856

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Charles Barkley thinks some people are ridiculous with their views on this topic:

Here are some bites from the link (see how I offer a summary versus no description at all?):

"The notion that white cops are out there just killing black people -- that's ridiculous. That's just flat-out ridiculous," the TNT basketball analyst told CNN. "I challenge any black person to try to make that point. Cops are actually awesome. They are the only thing in the ghetto between this place being the wild, wild west. So this notion that cops are out there just killing black men is ridiculous and I hate that narrative coming out of this entire situation."

"We've always had a racial issue in this country and the biggest problem with it is we never discuss race until something bad happens. We never have meaningful dialogue over a cold beer when things are going good," Barkley explained to CNN. "When something bad happens, everybody has a tribe mentality. Everybody wants to protect their own tribe, whether they're right or wrong."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24862869/charles-barkley-speaks-out-on-ferguson-controversy-defends-police

ask Chas if he ever heard of a guy called Fred Hampton?

JimmyV

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

By the way... this place is becoming shitty to enter.

From my perspective, the MT forum is a sloppy mess at this point in time- bits and bites that do nothing with regards to promoting meaningful discussion.

It is definitely transitioning. On the plus side I'm pretty sure it has been more than two months since we've had a thread locked.

Gern Blansten

Seems ok to me. So far we've represented both sides pretty well without any major flame wars.

JC29856

I once read this interesting quote
People claim they're hungry for the truth but when its finally served up they don't like the taste.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

I would guess most of those students have no clue what really happened.


Godfather.

benjs

Godfather. said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

I would guess most of those students have no clue what really happened.


Godfather.

I would guess that any of our guesses on that topic would be completely without merit.

And on the topic of Ferguson - how many contradictory stories have floated around: can any of us with any confidence say we know what really happened?

dignin

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Charles Barkley thinks some people are ridiculous with their views on this topic:

Here are some bites from the link (see how I offer a summary versus no description at all?):

"The notion that white cops are out there just killing black people -- that's ridiculous. That's just flat-out ridiculous," the TNT basketball analyst told CNN. "I challenge any black person to try to make that point. Cops are actually awesome. They are the only thing in the ghetto between this place being the wild, wild west. So this notion that cops are out there just killing black men is ridiculous and I hate that narrative coming out of this entire situation."

"We've always had a racial issue in this country and the biggest problem with it is we never discuss race until something bad happens. We never have meaningful dialogue over a cold beer when things are going good," Barkley explained to CNN. "When something bad happens, everybody has a tribe mentality. Everybody wants to protect their own tribe, whether they're right or wrong."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24862869/charles-barkley-speaks-out-on-ferguson-controversy-defends-police

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/04/opinion/johnson-charles-barkley/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


"Charles Barkley is a very, very rich man, whose fame and celebrity have protected him from the kind of hostility and harassment from the police that thousands of other Americans, especially African-Americans, experience every day. It's easy for Charles Barkley to lecture protesters and looters and mourning families about how to deal with anger. But most Americans can't defuse a "tense" police situation with the aid of celebrity."

Gern Blansten

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

I would guess most of those students have no clue what really happened.


Godfather.

I would guess that any of our guesses on that topic would be completely without merit.

And on the topic of Ferguson - how many contradictory stories have floated around: can any of us with any confidence say we know what really happened?

http://linkis.com/to.pbs.org/HjEvk

Not for sure.....but consider these facts that are detailed in the graphic at the link

When asked "Did MB put his hands up when fired upon?" 16 witnesses said YES, 2 said NO

"Was MB kneeling when fired upon?" 7 said YES, 6 said NO

"Was MB running away when fired upon?" 15 said YES, 5 said NO

"Did MB charge the police officerr?" 7 said YES, 5 said NO

bootlegger10

JC29856 said:

backseatLover12 said:

bootlegger10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.

There's no better lesson than actual real life experience with injustice. Taking a stand and knowing what you believe in is more valuable than any school experience. And all the good teachers know that, that's why they're out there as well.

I like the comparison to a communist country

The point is that China is focusing education on science and math, and the USA is not.

Godfather.

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

I would guess most of those students have no clue what really happened.


Godfather.

I would guess that any of our guesses on that topic would be completely without merit.

And on the topic of Ferguson - how many contradictory stories have floated around: can any of us with any confidence say we know what really happened?

so true and yet we here on the train judge and rule on every topic possible....aint it cool.


Godfather.

Last-12-Exit

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Charles Barkley thinks some people are ridiculous with their views on this topic:

Here are some bites from the link (see how I offer a summary versus no description at all?):

"The notion that white cops are out there just killing black people -- that's ridiculous. That's just flat-out ridiculous," the TNT basketball analyst told CNN. "I challenge any black person to try to make that point. Cops are actually awesome. They are the only thing in the ghetto between this place being the wild, wild west. So this notion that cops are out there just killing black men is ridiculous and I hate that narrative coming out of this entire situation."

"We've always had a racial issue in this country and the biggest problem with it is we never discuss race until something bad happens. We never have meaningful dialogue over a cold beer when things are going good," Barkley explained to CNN. "When something bad happens, everybody has a tribe mentality. Everybody wants to protect their own tribe, whether they're right or wrong."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24862869/charles-barkley-speaks-out-on-ferguson-controversy-defends-police

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/04/opinion/johnson-charles-barkley/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


"Charles Barkley is a very, very rich man, whose fame and celebrity have protected him from the kind of hostility and harassment from the police that thousands of other Americans, especially African-Americans, experience every day. It's easy for Charles Barkley to lecture protesters and looters and mourning families about how to deal with anger. But most Americans can't defuse a "tense" police situation with the aid of celebrity."

Seriously? Your post is in quotes, would you care to share who said that? Now all of a sudden black men can't express their opinion if they have money?

It sounds more like black men with money can't express their opinions if they don't share the same idiocy as the rioters. This is getting ridiculous.

Last-12-Exit

^^^^ Sorry, I didn't initially see the link. I'm guessing the author of that op-ed wrote it.

dignin

Read the op-ed. He talks about how he has a right to an opinion, but it's the wrong opinion and why.

Last-12-Exit

It's pretty convenient for Brown supporters to come up with an excuse every time somebody goes against them. First, white people can never understand. Then white poor people couldn't understand. Now black people can't even understand. So basically, unless you think Darren Wilson is guilty, or your a black person that was born in poverty, or your a black person in the ghetto you can't think that the no indictment ruling is a shitty excuse for people to act lik animals. Very good.

josevolution

bootlegger10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.

Big shit one day of them protesting is not gonna hurt them i could see if they were doing this everyday if done once it's to just say people are tired of cops not being held accountable for their actions ....

hedonist

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Charles Barkley thinks some people are ridiculous with their views on this topic:

Here are some bites from the link (see how I offer a summary versus no description at all?):

"The notion that white cops are out there just killing black people -- that's ridiculous. That's just flat-out ridiculous," the TNT basketball analyst told CNN. "I challenge any black person to try to make that point. Cops are actually awesome. They are the only thing in the ghetto between this place being the wild, wild west. So this notion that cops are out there just killing black men is ridiculous and I hate that narrative coming out of this entire situation."

"We've always had a racial issue in this country and the biggest problem with it is we never discuss race until something bad happens. We never have meaningful dialogue over a cold beer when things are going good," Barkley explained to CNN. "When something bad happens, everybody has a tribe mentality. Everybody wants to protect their own tribe, whether they're right or wrong."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24862869/charles-barkley-speaks-out-on-ferguson-controversy-defends-police

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/04/opinion/johnson-charles-barkley/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


"Charles Barkley is a very, very rich man, whose fame and celebrity have protected him from the kind of hostility and harassment from the police that thousands of other Americans, especially African-Americans, experience every day. It's easy for Charles Barkley to lecture protesters and looters and mourning families about how to deal with anger. But most Americans can't defuse a "tense" police situation with the aid of celebrity."

I can't help but wonder into the kind of life he was born? Despite his later fame, wealth, etc., did he grow up in similar situations as those posted in this and other threads?

I tried to find something but most I got was that he was born in Birmingham, AL in 1963.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

hedonist said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Charles Barkley thinks some people are ridiculous with their views on this topic:

Here are some bites from the link (see how I offer a summary versus no description at all?):

"The notion that white cops are out there just killing black people -- that's ridiculous. That's just flat-out ridiculous," the TNT basketball analyst told CNN. "I challenge any black person to try to make that point. Cops are actually awesome. They are the only thing in the ghetto between this place being the wild, wild west. So this notion that cops are out there just killing black men is ridiculous and I hate that narrative coming out of this entire situation."

"We've always had a racial issue in this country and the biggest problem with it is we never discuss race until something bad happens. We never have meaningful dialogue over a cold beer when things are going good," Barkley explained to CNN. "When something bad happens, everybody has a tribe mentality. Everybody wants to protect their own tribe, whether they're right or wrong."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24862869/charles-barkley-speaks-out-on-ferguson-controversy-defends-police

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/04/opinion/johnson-charles-barkley/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


"Charles Barkley is a very, very rich man, whose fame and celebrity have protected him from the kind of hostility and harassment from the police that thousands of other Americans, especially African-Americans, experience every day. It's easy for Charles Barkley to lecture protesters and looters and mourning families about how to deal with anger. But most Americans can't defuse a "tense" police situation with the aid of celebrity."

I can't help but wonder into the kind of life he was born? Despite his later fame, wealth, etc., did he grow up in similar situations as those posted in this and other threads?

I tried to find something but most I got was that he was born in Birmingham, AL in 1963.

He wasn't born into the lifestyle he is afforded now.

bootlegger10

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.

Big shit one day of them protesting is not gonna hurt them i could see if they were doing this everyday if done once it's to just say people are tired of cops not being held accountable for their actions ....

Sure it may be one day or a week, but it is a symptom of where our school system is. Some teachers are pushing political and social agendas instead of teaching kids.

cincybearcat

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

over the last week over 300 schools here have had large groups of students walking out of class in protest of the grand jury's findings. these groups are of all ethnic groups. most of the schools have allowed them to do so, and most of them have had teachers participate as well.

stupid, racially united, liberal schools right??

They should stay in class and learn a skill and not a civics lesson on protesting.

Skipping school for a grand jury finding on evidence that is at best ambiguous in either direction is ridiculous. The teachers involved should be stripped of their wages.

Meanwhile , students in China are kicking our asses.

Big shit one day of them protesting is not gonna hurt them i could see if they were doing this everyday if done once it's to just say people are tired of cops not being held accountable for their actions ....

Sure it may be one day or a week, but it is a symptom of where our school system is. Some teachers are pushing political and social agendas instead of teaching kids.

I do think an open dialogue in class ( as long as all viewpoints are shared and respected) would be far more productive. The walk out is one sided and may result in more youth that distrust police officers as a whole.

My opinion. I can see the other side as well...perhaps do both. I think it would be a great high school class to gather all known evidence and have a case with a jury and see what transpires.