Idf soldiers told to kill civilians •*graphic

Byrnzie

evilrona said:

Byrnzie said:

90% of Israeli's currently support the mass-murder of Palestinian civilians. And many have been calling for out-and-out genocide.

No, That is not true.
90% of Israeli's currently support destroying Hamas. Most people don't support killing innocents. Israel doesn't want to stay in Gaza.

Yes, you're right. It's not true. I said 90%. I should have said 95%.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4551824,00.html
Over the course of three surveys conducted in the past two weeks, an average of 95 percent of respondents said that Operation Protective Edge was justified, while only 3-4 percent said the IDF has used excessive firepower in Gaza.

They're not destroying Hamas. They've killed approx 90% civilians. It's not an attack on Hamas, it's an attack on the people of Gaza for voting for the wrong party. Just like the last full-scale massacre of Gazan civilians during 2008-2009 when approx 90% of the dead were civilians.

And numerous Israeli's have been calling for genocide:


'Israeli lawmaker’s call for genocide of Palestinians': http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-lawmakers-call-genocide-palestinians-gets-thousands-facebook-likes

'When Genocide is Permissable': http://www.vocativ.com/world/israel-world/times-israel-writer-calls-genocide-gaza/

evilrona said:

Israel left Gaza 10 years ago, and yesterday, after completing the mission of destroying terror tunnels, the troops left Gaza.

You're just spouting Israeli propaganda. According to every international standard, Gaza has remained occupied territory.

http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/8807/is-gaza-still-occupied-and-why-does-it-matter
Territory that was militarily conquered remains occupied until sovereignty supplants foreign control. As long as the Gaza Strip is non-sovereign, it is occupied, and as long as it is occupied its relationship to Israel continues to be governed by international humanitarian law (IHL), which forms part of the laws of war.

...there has been no end to Israel’s capacity to exercise “effective control” over Gaza.

In 2007, John Dugard, then UN Special Rapporteur on the Situation of Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, explained that the manifestations of Israel’s continuing effective control include: (a) substantial control of Gaza’s six land crossings; (b) control through military incursions, rocket attacks and sonic booms, and the declaration of areas inside the Strip as “no-go” zones where anyone who enters can be shot; (c) complete control of Gaza’s airspace and territorial waters; and (d) control of the Palestinian Population Registry, which has the power and authority to define who is a “Palestinian” and who is a resident of Gaza.

And as for your use of the term 'terror tunnels', would you care to explain why you chose that phrase considering that no terrorist attacks have taken place through those tunnels? The Hamas/Al Qassam fighters have only targeted the IDF, which they are entitled to do under international law. That's not terrorism. Terrorism is deliberately targeting civilians, as the Israeli's have been doing for the past two weeks.

evilrona

Again, not true. What I see over the news (not the Israeli media) ~50% are Hamas people.
+ Also Hamas calls its people "armed civilians" much more easy to blame death as civilians.
In the last operation, Hamas admitted 70% of those who killed were Hamas members.
Forgive me if I have ZERO tolerance for dead terrorist, who wants to attack innocents civilians.

Here is some truth about Hamas (by an Italian reporter, who admitted children were killed by Hamas in Shifa)
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/trapped-in-gaza-how-hamas-punishes-reporters-for-the-truth/story-e6frg6zo-1227007768903?nk=e05fc8d2113cf33f242c66d5b0ad051a
Last week Hamas executed ~20 people for protesting.
Hamas members are using guns against gazan people in lines for food\water.

And regarding the tunnels, are you serious? All the ceasefires Hamas broke was during attempts to attack the kibbutz around! through tunnels, well organized tunnels. Luckily they failed:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4545029,00.html
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/27/security-sources-say-hamas-planned-a-massive-terror-tunnels-attack-for-september-24/
And throwing rockets is not against civilians? So why do I run to the shelter once\twice a day?
Again, I DO NOT justify death of innocents in Gaza. (And spare me the "how many died in Israel vs Gaza, I know I have siren+shelter+Iron dome to protect me, and I won't feel bad for that)

And Hamas plan was a MASSIVE terror attack on new years eve. That is insane.
I believe in their right to live normal life and I wish for it with all my heart, to have their own country with government that would actually take care for it's people. Unfortunately (and I am speaking about Hamas and similar terror organizations who say it out laud; to extinct Israel) they don't recognize my right of living, not in Tel Aviv, nor anywhere..

You are naive if you think differently regarding Hamas wishes to Israelis\Jewish in general. Take a look what's going on in Europe. Israel is the last fronter in front of the terror, probably, while we are speaking radical groups in Europe, planning the next terror attack. As ISIS said "we will stop when we see our flag on the white house". I really hope we will never get there.
I guess you tend to forget that Al Qaeda who planned 9/11 is the one who supports Hamas.

evilrona

Regarding radical groups in Europe, I strongly recommends this series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbPmSDnvCL4&list=PLHAozKSrkwH9M9qzeMsK46WufnF7rTvfc&src_vid=mJz4K3PIS0Q&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_258926

JC29856

Hamas wants to obliterate Jews and Israel..let's assume that's true...how effective have they been since their existence? How many have they killed?

evilrona

They haven't killed because of sirens\shelters\iron dome.
BTW since it all started couple of weeks ago I don't leave my house unless I have to (means work only). I rather stay close to a shelter than get caught in the middle of the street\ride when sirens goes off.

rgambs

Wars for profit don't stop until the people rise up and refuse to fight them!
Evilrona sirens in Isael = anxiety
Sirens in Gaza = death + targets for more bombs...
Forgive us if our hearts go to Gaza and not Israel

evilrona

Forgive me if I don't feel sorry for having iron dome.

My heart and every reasonable heart in Israel goes to Gaza, don't get me wrong. I do believe in peace, I do believe in coexistence.
Saying that, I don't see how we can keep going negotiating with Khaled Mashal who CLEARLY say OUT LOUD that Israel should not exist.

I'd love to hear what do you think should happen if rockets keep firing\terror tunnels being build under my home. How should I deal with suicide terror attacks on buses?
I wonder what is your opinion on Hamas keeping rockets in UNRWA schools&hospitals? And Hamas in general?

As we were talking there were 2 terror attacks in Jerusalem.
Israel ceased fire this morning and got 35 rockets.

hedonist

rgambs said:

Wars for profit don't stop until the people rise up and refuse to fight them!
Evilrona sirens in Isael = anxiety
Sirens in Gaza = death + targets for more bombs...
Forgive us if our hearts go to Gaza and not Israel

Whoa. Has it really come down to "Love ya, Gaza...fuck you, Israel"?

There are human beings in both areas being fucked.

brianlux

As I sit here and read numerous posts from several people for whom, in the past, I have felt a lot of admiration and see how they attack each other with vicious words I think to myself, now I know why the world is so fucked up and we don't stand a chance. We will be at each others throats until the final bloody end when everything and everyone turns to worms.

That's my optimistic outlook for the day. I'm out of here.

JC29856

evilrona said:

They haven't killed because of sirens\shelters\iron dome.
BTW since it all started couple of weeks ago I don't leave my house unless I have to (means work only). I rather stay close to a shelter than get caught in the middle of the street\ride when sirens goes off.

if you dont mind me asking, how do you get to work? mode of transportation...

evilrona

JC29856 said:

if you dont mind me asking, how do you get to work? mode of transportation...

Car\bus, why?

While we're speaking, I just arrived home from work in Tel Aviv, and the city is shut down cause of suspicious intention of terror attack.
The middle east is pure fun. (NOT really).

JC29856

well bec since 1987 you're 345 times more likely to get injured or killed in an auto accident (in israel) than by a rocket from gaza! why arent they bombing cars and buses?

as for terror attack warnings, we have them over here in the US too, most are made up by our government into scaring us, as im sure most are made up to scare you there too.
why? 1. to keep you in fear 2. so your government can protect you 3. so you build hatred towards the enemy

Byrnzie

evilrona said:

I'd love to hear what do you think should happen if rockets keep firing\terror tunnels being build under my home.

Maybe your country could end its illegal occupation and encroaching land-grab? How about that for starters? Maybe your country could start complying with its obligations under international law?

As for 'terror tunnels', maybe you can tell me how many terrorist attacks have taken place through these tunnels?
I'll answer for you: None.
The Hamas fighters have only targeted IDF soldiers. That's not terrorism. Terrorism is deliberately targeting civilians, such as the IDF cowards have been doing for the past three weeks.

evilrona

Yeah, right. Ah-ha. Also rockets are targeting soldiers?
They'd kill whatever caught in their way and you know it. Their would like to kill civilians as much as soldiers. They just know that for a body of dead soldier theg can ask release of 1000 terrirsts with civilans blood on their hands.

You can keep mumbeling about occupation for as long as you want. You can't take my family roots from where in has been for hundreds of years, Jerusalem. So we better find a way to live TOGETHER.

rr165892

rgambs said:

Wars for profit don't stop until the people rise up and refuse to fight them!
Evilrona sirens in Isael = anxiety
Sirens in Gaza = death + targets for more bombs...
Forgive us if our hearts go to Gaza and not Israel

Not us,you.Come on Gambs you are mr liberal bleeding heart on immigration and here people on one side of this conflict(not government or military personnel ) are not worthy of concern? Your better than that dude.c,mon

rr165892

brianlux said:

As I sit here and read numerous posts from several people for whom, in the past, I have felt a lot of admiration and see how they attack each other with vicious words I think to myself, now I know why the world is so fucked up and we don't stand a chance. We will be at each others throats until the final bloody end when everything and everyone turns to worms.

That's my optimistic outlook for the day. I'm out of here.

Ill join you in the lounge.I hear NCAA women's jello hockey is on the "Ocho" and drinks are 4 for 1 happy hour.

rgambs

it's not that i have no concern for peace favoring israeli citizens. I do. I feel the sting of anxiety and i sympathize with them but it gets old hearing about the sirens over and over...there is an industrial massacre happening!!! I think it only feeds into the cycle of violence to lend credence to the tired old Bush-era mantra of terrorism being the ultimate enemy which must be destroyed at any cost.
Terrorism is generated by the same forces that profit from the war on terror. Every thinking feeling soul who's feet are on the ground of war knows that you cant fight terrorism with bombs..what a foolish concept!

evilrona

In some point here, it feels as if some people want to see more blood from the other side.
May be to justify the death in Gaza, may be other reasons. Simply disgusting.

rgambs

duhhhhhh we dont want more blood we want less!!! We want less from both sides and we only downplay israeli caualties because some folks act as if this is an equal battle. We dont want blood, we want an end to bloodshed on both sides. Can you look in the mirror and say the same?

benjs

evilrona said:

In some point here, it feels as if some people want to see more blood from the other side.
May be to justify the death in Gaza, may be other reasons. Simply disgusting.

evilrona,

I can't tell you how tired I am of hearing, over and over again from Israelis, "would you rather hundreds of Israelis die to make things proportional"? Please tell me you're more intelligent than that - and more importantly, please EXPECT that I and those on here are more intelligent than that. If you'd like to put things down to this morbid scoreboard, I don't want 1000:30 (Gaza casualties : Israeli casualties). Nor do I want 1000:1000, or even 30:30. Do not tell me that for being pro-Palestinian liberation, I am pro-murder. That's something I find disgusting.